Joe Rogan Experience #1987 — Jelly Roll Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day But there's something interesting about that too. bet this is what's happening in the fucking green room. Oh, 100%. Well, you can go to the green room tonight. How fucking gangster. You know what I mean? The hang is so fun. It's fun. You're right there. And I love this too, So it was cool to like actually dig into who Stapleton was.

3:30 and said this is what that's the cocoa Oh, dude. jelly yo six months jelly jesus christ and i was just like dude i'm sitting in a parking lot like That's what Joey would tell everybody. He'd get fired up and you'd get fired up too. It's such a great show. Every week it happens like that. Tony's the master. wasn't rehearsed. I'm telling you. But you're watching it unfold. Every week it happens like that.

5:19 Oh, dude, because the banter that came from that was like fucking insane. Yeah, well, they basically did doing comedy together. And I thought you were going to say this, but that was the good. He likes it. You're just sitting in here. And that's where it all went south. She's a veteran. And it was so nostalgic. That's the move. It's like we were talking, that's what we were talking about on the phones today.

7:52 He was like, nobody was in that room talking about bitches. That's a great club. I worked for those guys for like fucking 25 years or something crazy. It really is. Richard Jenny. That's real shit, Joey. Joey showed up with duffel bags. He was here. Is he comfortable? He's the king of New Jersey. It's like if that guy moves into your neighborhood, you know how happy you'd be. Mm-hmm

10:13 You get picked up at the airport. I'll take care of the rest. Oh, danger. Just get me straight. 50 milligrams. So I was just, the redder it was, I was like, it's ready. It was horrible for me, dude. There was a dude that I used to be friends with that was a jiu-jitsu guy. either bathroom special it was probably a plus. It was very high. Marijuana in an isolation tank,

13:26 galaxies that look My favorite thing. Because if I'm going to get on You're not going anywhere. Yeah, with comics, when we get drunk on planes, just sitting next to each other, just drinking and talking shit, it's so fun. Or any Android phone, if you get recording. Nobody, you know, it wasn't that entertaining to people. I've always watched them. If you're in your car.

15:45 if you dig it, do it. If you really dig it, do it twice. You don't pull the mask Yes, sir. Barry's got his bombs. Come on. Oh. Oh, wow. But I was just getting ready to get my hat All around and round nobody's ever wrote a song about the bitch that does roller derby. That's crazy that you know these records. I don't know why. Like, that song brings me to that time when he was writing it, you know?

20:07 I mean, he's talking. Come on, baby. Ain't no man with style. Ain't no baby started. Whole lot of roses. I loved how sloppy it was back then. That's what I love. was a motherfucker that is a powerful what is 19 stone is that 260 pounds she was bigger yeah she What are you saying? Nelly said it in a song, but I don't ever remember it. He was feeling it.

22:38 Jamie said, you got to hear this song. real one. perfect. It's got a darker And he floats outside my prison window It's Johnny Cash vibes. Where's all that coming from? western music you know I think it's what makes Zach Bryan so polarizing. His music's so incredible, but it's so raw. he just did his first awards show, You know what I'm saying? had like 700 million streams, Joe,

25:58 you're like one of the biggest artists on earth. you on stage yeah he played up there he tried to get me to say yeah no my favorite clips he You have that. That's a song. so can I tell you this story? but I just didn't have no conviction about it Joe She's 15. It's called Whitsitt Chapel Baptist Church. the fold, I was like, what's worship music for sinners sound like? Like, what is a motherfucker

29:14 Have you ever been to a Sunday in the South worship service? I love the way they captivate an audience. Oh, wow. I was in the studio like we were just getting high and coming up with shit. So that just came out of the blue, inspirationally? I'm sure you may or may not have been there in your career early, So they try to make a formula was my first radio hit, like hit hit.

31:43 And I was like, I know what it is. you're presented with a unique problem that you haven't seen before, Figure out what you're doing it for. Right. That's the problem with this world. been therapeutic my music has always been for people what got me into music was my mother the house change Poor people, And listen, You know what I'm saying? anything about drug addiction, anything about schizophrenia or bipolar or any of this stuff.

35:00 Because that's what I was seeing. you know you know how i feel about what i gotta go listen to like yeah to this day if i'm going Wow. you know what i mean and that's how it's always worked for me which is like i was telling you Listen, and from stage, I seen a girl getting her back blown out on the fence, getting fucked. over there filming and whooping and cheering and all

38:05 mean like it just it just hit me I was like I'm writing the right songs I'm just writing them over I mean, it's, you know, you know the story. That's the only two things I've ever known. You know, so I'm like, I don't have any qualifications to do anything. You know, I was like, what am I doing wrong here? So they're doing an IV drip with a long release of DMT.

40:16 and it's so overwhelming that the moment you get a chance to it's so hard to If I was a person who is a cynical academic who's never fucked around with drugs, I have a feeling that it's the root of compassion and love. And that might be what God is. A hundred percent, bro. We're going to travel together. Yeah. We, we did it. We did a bunch It's also when your ego gets squashed, you realize your ego is the source of almost all the fear and anxiety.

43:35 It's all these legal pads where these psycho smart dudes are writing down computations. I've went through so many of those wormholes. I'd seen clips. We ate pizza, and then we did a podcast together. And I was like, this guy's got like really good points. And because he crushes it so much, you realize how much other people wasn't doing their job. And then when he got together

46:01 Always has a laptop? like what the fuck do you do me and him this conversation, and he started talking to me about asteroid impacts. Yeah, it was a long-ass time ago. 2009, yeah. It was still 2008. And he did one in Death Valley. Like, your brain doesn't work right. What does it get to? you know he had like a very different take on why he was a fighter and like he was like trying to

49:14 To have all these different stories you got your culture walls out there you got you you got Zach Bryan You got all these different human beings you got all this music from the 60s and the 70s and the 80s and there's so much These kids don't give a fuck. to that family alone. talking about his friend, When you see two dudes going to war inside the Octagon,

51:11 And I think that's one of the things that people love about fighters. You know, that just concept to me is fucking insane. We can bail each other out, or we're going to bomb together. Well, those are hard sets. fast. Your heart's beating too quick. And it was the funniest thing I've ever seen in human. And I just couldn't get over fucking him going up and just being like, listen.

53:27 I'm excited. I come in and check it out and watch. get up last night, Joe, and kill. Ahsan's thing. unless it's like 70s music, I was like, ooh, that's a good idea. Which was super cool. You know, I was a kid. Ain't living long like this, oh my baby. And I was like, holy't living long like this. Ain't living long like this. Subterranean Blues by Bob Dylan was the first rap song ever.

55:49 Mixing up the bed of men John is in a basement You better duck down the alleyway, looking for a new friend. it was one of the first songs Look at these dudes. Oh shit. Yeah, never knew. Would they put it through a color filter? Hey. B-A-S-S-I-C. I bet they probably you know, introduction to music With the Robert Johnson recordings because I think there's only a few but this motherfucker was so good at the time

1:00:50 the devil and made a deal and three days over 19 1936 he recorded 29 songs wow god dude that's like Yeah. and emerge they get Johnny Cash he had to He leaned into the rumors, didn't he? And that texture, that soul. And so the horrible thing about horrible things. Oh, boy, dark gonna get me here. selling CDs, Joe, He said, you need to hurry up and get you

1:05:24 how many people held out initially, But when I was growing up, She cleans her room, I hear music. You know what I mean? You know how that was? Beautiful. Oh, for sure. It sounds great. Yeah. what was getting played in any room of the house. my music ended up going from hip-hop into rock and into i know i've had a hit at i've had a Oh, yeah, and that was fucking insane, dude.

1:09:28 Like, I love the genre influences. and she would get down You know what I mean? You know, it fucked them up when it came to licensing, We're listening to the same thing. I was like, you're not winning, you know. Oh, 100%. For about three years, I opened my show to a Stan Hope bit. that we're opening with. I wanted to reach out, Yeah, Yeah, record anyway.

1:12:22 yeah, The whole way of you're doing it, of just doing what you want to do, coincidentally oh boy skank fest is on this part of fremontont, and I'm on the middle of Fremont doing the stage, right? I was living in a 1996 van, literally didn't have a house. up that that cocoa one more time at uh that laughing gas but uh and i'm leaving and i know and Shane Gillis is up singing like Megadeth.

1:14:56 I look at him, Joe, and I go, office, right? And they're like, caa and i'm like hey josh is jelly roll he's like what's up bub i was like did you block that month was. No, I remember the number vividly because when Live Nation told me what they'd give them, It's one of them old school deals where the contract says something, but what we worked out is different.

1:16:48 I hit Jay this year. I was like, yo, I didn't My favorite thing was it was so cause we're taking combination you know that that's that's such a fun thing like you were saying about kids today big. They were one of the first people that gave me my chance. What an interesting combination. Josh Adam Myers. It's going to be I haven't met a musician that doesn't at least have a couple of minutes of jokes

1:19:08 And nobody will ever know it because by the time we put the song out, you know what I mean? thing for you you've been always been doing martial arts. You're used to being in pain. And there definitely are people whose personalities are more aligned to certain types of occupations. changed you know what i mean yeah so you know joe i don't know if you know this but i i spent

1:21:19 I mean, we went in there with a gun. It's prohibited. won't let a felon be a part of the community you know know, and I'm a fucking, dude, I'm a 15, 16 year old. Right. We're not supposed to be about a human being is supposed to be about. there for my last hometown show i sold out my arena big craziest night ever you know fucking the hometown arena how big is it when you do the

1:23:59 I mean, Joe. I'm going to do so much for at risk youth in Nashville because my whole life changed in that it was the most. You know, it's going to be fucking crazy, you know? I knew I'd got a woman pregnant. And I'm sitting in there, and that guard knocks on my door, May 22, 2008, Joe. Like, I immediately, Joe, was like, I've got to do something to change.

1:26:25 stories that was in here with bobby so you understand the lingo it's like they put you on I knew better than to rob people then. exchange of goods. You give me money for Started me a Facebook and a YouTube channel while I was in jail He was kind of an old school gangster, you know? I am the most proud of her. what i mean like she's just she's been my best friend me and my wife had custody over seven years

1:28:59 Like if Chad GPT. Does it ever get overwhelming where you just can't believe it's real? to work and as me and my daughters relate, I always felt like I wasn't going to be a good You know what I'm saying? Because I was like, there's no way that this happens to people like us. I love you, man. fans and they were great that I met through What? So you had, this was perceived as being anti-COVID lockdown.

1:32:35 Good. It was hilarious. I didn't get another one until I got the one I got now. I wrote a song with a comedian that was a comedic song. And it just happened. My niece got COVID. You know what I'm saying? I was fucking killing it. If you're going to get a real stimulation of your immune system, I would imagine jail Yeah, dude. It happens all the time.

1:35:47 Like it's going to fucking, you know, cause when you, when we got to put on an arena show, That shit was dope. Yeah. I sing sad clown songs. Yeah. But it was in March of 22, and it was at a 1,000 capacity club in Buffalo. You know what I mean like the fucking the Bridgest Bridgestone, the Juvenile, the Kids, Does that make sense? But because I had a billion views on YouTube before I signed the deal.

1:38:59 It's back to the internet. you know what I mean a debut album yo just you know like that was not afraid You know what I mean? the first 12 seconds was like when I found my voice. Three. That's all you got to do, Jamie. I wrote this, shot that, recording it, and uploaded it that day. all that i need something inside of me is broken i hold on to anything that sets me free

1:42:11 And they're trying to pitch me like as a pop artist. authentic is pop. It's popular. Build-A-Bears. They'd put the bear in front of a big country star and, you know, then the bear sings. Because, listen, let's talk about the 70s and me and you love so much. I'm going to cry. of the darkest moments of my that gives you some good wisdom you go knock on the door they'll tell you something like i can

1:45:22 To you I'm just a man. Yeah, you know what I mean? You know, it's like, and the radio didn't, the single didn't go to radio until after. Yeah, do you have to get some operation? Papa Roach did. I need to talk to him about it. He had one and man, that dude, he's a screamer. Like I hydrate the shit out of it. And it should be. He's the biggest artist on earth.

1:47:57 it's kind of a balancing act, Maybe you just have to say, for health's sake, you can only do X amount of shows. Wow. I remember the Adele story because she debuted back at the Grammys. what i'm saying yeah you know it's like i still have a moment where i'm like hello hello you know He was on one of those talent shows This guy's crying. I get to, what show is that on?

1:51:33 He did this James Blunt cover. and i'm hearing his story and he's got like the deep hawaiian voice too he's like oh thank you He did the – This is fucking cool. All right. I'll tell you I love you once more Holy shit. I know your mistakes and you know mine. Choked up the whole time. That's so good. you know it's coming from him oh yeah and you could hear the little times where you could hear

1:56:13 It's like you see a person with a beautiful voice and a beauty. I still listen to R. Kelly. I swear. I couldn't quit watching it. died in 2020 You know what I mean? Like the rest of my life, I'll remember that car ride and what that moment. I'll remember that car ride forever. You know what I mean? Is there a, like, there's a lot of people like the Cosby show

1:58:16 Yeah. song. And it's like You're just like, yo, this song has done insane things for me. real talk it's like for me with with Michael Jackson, it's human nature. That boy that you saw that was singing this insane voice, that very young boy, that is going to change. is presley this girl's just turned 16 and can that'll be very close to her real tone. We're like that first kid we seen at 13. Now he can

2:01:15 two lessons because I was just nervous. he killed. I've heard in a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know what I'm talking about. Big time singing on, you know, CBS performance. And nobody would know me or want to hang out. I did, dude. I took two right before I took- Yeah, for sure. It comes out, man. There will come a moment where I'll feel like

2:03:41 Like that's just, I don't know man, it tickles me. But it starts out Who's got the lighter? I like to listen to, lately I've been listening to Zach Bryant of, which one was it? Dude Engrained He rode bulls. The son of a cowboy came to claim his daddy's right. To hell I go He's riding a bull named To Hell I Go. You got to, man. Let's tell you, Kane.

2:07:36 And he wrote this song as a grieving to the rodeo. Dear rodeo, The dream of a buckle Even though we both know I'd still have to let you go. Different kind of swag. They're riding giant 2,000 pound angry animals with huge dicks and big balls that don't want you riding them. You're a 2,000-pound wrecking machine, and this dumb motherfucker wants to ride your back?

2:09:55 Do you have... You guys got it all set up for satellite and all that shit. I got the triple pop out You know what I mean? Yeah. and uh i was like and i'd like to play the Grand Ole Opry. get me to the Grand Ole Opry and can you get my local paper to write about me because I'm trying It said Music City Outlaw on it. Understanding of the hopelessness of the system now than ever Right so when a guy like you breaks through and becomes a giant star after this crazy past,

2:13:48 But look at me, that's me up there just, boy, I mean, that's the holy grounds, Joe. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Right? but I promise you, And if you only knew her smile, you never noticed she's in pain. is that it's gotten so out of hand. story. This is American Hopefully I meet with the governor and I can figure out You know what i mean the kid

2:17:30 But more important than me ever, I've had a felony for so long, whatever. what i did was wrong man i was 15 joe i Joe. I needed a hug. I didn't need a sale. I didn't need that other shit. and it's an important story. got to be someone if you had if you had a budget All right, whatever. I don't remember my point at all. to rejuvenate all of the fucked up areas in this country.

2:20:23 Try it in Detroit. muscle cars. It's still my top four places to Yeah. You're like, well, this is like some Mad Max shit. Did they? Oh, so they revitalized it. fucked up buildings though yeah because there's something about them there's character to them man. Yeah. I never thought of it that way. They turned it into a fucking- the Top Gear guys less than that

2:23:11 Yeah, they bought a house for like $5,000 or something. Not quite. Yeah. How much was that house? Oh, that's probably why. Yeah. that is 20s yeah well maybe that's not i had a building we've used on music row for years it was like a 1922 building or something and it was just big and That's the cool part. I'm jealous at times. they just talk about writing songs until they get drunk enough to go write another one at

2:26:18 songs is still rare like it's still not a lot of artists that come out of Nashville, Tennessee that are actually in the room writing their songs. You know what I mean? Wow. recoupable and then we'll put you in writers rooms for a 50 50 split of your publishing got his first publishing deal and drew i think 24 grand a year and like at that time of his life he

2:28:53 Once you get out of it, you're like, damn, this system is fucked up, though. And then I'm going to put your 50 cents against the million dollars that you owe back. I was uneducated. money as well right now and had multiple number ones already. how many you know this a lot of these guys needed it that's why my deal worked out so great because You know what I mean?

2:31:02 I would say so. You probably definitely know this, but there's a few markets where rock radio does well. And playlisting is a way around that, just like radio was. So that changed everything. So I'm not drinking. it's like i'm fucking i'm i'm enjoying the fuck out of this you know beautiful it's like i look Whew. they escorted me out in a way that they could just tell i was lost i love your club it's a maze

2:34:05 Just a place where like dudes, like singer-songwriters can come you got to hope that the hair salon that comics rely on those Writer's rounds. you're like holy fuck oh wow you know what i mean yeah it's cool it's really cool when you come to And you reach in and just grab a subject and just start riffing. Yeah, I'll be in that one, too. Some of the, it's just very fun.

2:36:45 because I see so many, that comedians create. Like I bet good jokes You know what I'm saying? do every night. It's y'all's culture. They just have this wild idea that they can do it. Oh, yeah. He's so funny. Yeah, I don't want to say his joke, but he has one of my absolute favorite jokes. Iron sharpens iron. and think about stuff a lot. bare minimum sometimes more but even if it's just like a quick song title you know me and

2:39:53 How about this? You know, it's just like you're just fucking letting it land where it lands. If I hadn't wrote in six, seven weeks, dude, You know, and then the third day I'll be like, okay, I got my timing back. Now we got to put a melody to it or start with a couple of chords. Now we got to come up with a melody. We've got to hand the egg and the spoon to the producer.

2:41:38 It's fucking wild. Right. But I'm cool either. For sure. that about whaling and you know they said this about everybody who was ever big in the country It's like, what are you talking about? No, I don't care. Son of a Sinner. Only Jelly Roll could take Nita Favor. Knowing it comes from you, too. And you get sucked into this Bert hole, and then his jokes are triple funny

2:45:08 When I'm watching Razzle Dazzle, I'm like, you know what I mean? He came out and was like, I'm fucking Abel. This is something I have to do. You know what I'm saying? Dude, find Head. I remember when we had attention spans, I forgot about this. You're such a hunk so full of sp spunk, I'll give you a head. Jesus Christ. It's crazy, right? And they and they asked him they said why do you wear heels

2:49:22 That was later on. It might be the greatest guitar solo in the history of all music. If you're driving around in a 1969 Camaro and this is playing. Look how happy those people are. Oh, yeah. They were just jamming What a fucking song minutes. It's going to be longer now. I swear. Oh, yeah. And people are still just flipping's shit. Just lost in the rock and roll, man.

2:53:10 They were filming a special for Skinner last year, Peter Keyes is on the keys. I know a couple of guys and I go meet Gary and he is the sweetest, kindest man, Joe. his manager said is there anything you can do for us and i was like i kind of frankly i don't never This is it. Wow and they want you to approve it in person. And if you need to sing, they'll allow you to sing

2:56:10 is go down there if you have time. And he looks over at the engineer, the producer. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they were fucking, you know, it's wild, man. have you you impacted me in such a way you will never know how much you've changed how i feel show with Willie Nelson yeah and we're It's in northern Michigan. He's had the same guitar all these years.

2:58:44 it, they fix it around it. It's worn into his hand. I haven't met him, though, so this will be big. eight or nine number ones he's wrote for other people. Like, I had to learn how to sing. You know, because nobody would sign me at first, I just had to figure all this. You know, my daddy Of all the advice and one-liners, my dad was like one of them old gangsters that just had them quick one-liners, you know.

3:01:29 It's amazing when out of some horrible, chaotic situation, something beautiful emerges. the most fucked up childhoods right you know and they're the most fun to be around the most silly I just think oftentimes that's the case. He tells the story right before he sings the song, but it's just so, man. You had no idea what was coming. I'm like, I've already sent him a message a couple times on Instagram

3:03:50 No, dude. What you're doing right now is American as fuck. There are still tickets available in select markets. and I will say this with your people brother