Joe Rogan Experience #2021 — Mike Baker Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. What do you got in those pieces of paper to scare the shit out of me with? Okay. I'm glad you got that in your notes. Because when I found out that Paul Rubens died, It was a great show. Anyway, point blank. Yeah, but isn't that what they do in those things? Yeah. Yeah, it was easily 91. They don't have an appreciation for how hard you had to work back in the 70s and 80s.

3:14 Sarasota, Florida, familiar by now. According That's how the rap sheet spells it. Spells it wrong. 8.25pm, he blasts off and then he's back at it at 8.35. were dropped a department spokesperson said that the deputies did not feel the time they had enough A local reporter recognized Rubin's name Okay, so everybody if you're in a porn theater, rubber gloves in there and, like, those things are disgusting. And to be fair... If people don't recognize... know, I mean, just you're wearing rubber gloves in there.

5:39 Your feet stick to the floor. was an underrated film, because I thought... He was one of the writers for Pee-Wee's Playhouse. It was hilarious. While I was dating this girl, I remember specifically the girl that I was dating at the time, that He really was. And yeah, I'll give them to one of my boys. Yeah, well, we're going to unfreeze a lot of money for the Iran prisoner swap.

7:51 because they were worried he was going to shoot him down, The Chinese regime continues to just say it was a weather balloon, right? alaska on the end of january whenever and uh proceeds to travel across the country in a path Close to Canada? Yeah. And so it was flying over that flying over flying over malmstrom um and so they were aware of it the air force base was aware of it um they by the time yeah

10:09 It went over Omaha or near Omaha where we've got U.S. Strategic Command and OFAT Air Force Base. But, you know, so I have no doubt that, you know, because everyone was saying, well, why don't we just shoot the fucker down when it showed up over Alaska on the 28th of January? It was because the two things that are important nowadays are stealth and speed.

12:33 have shot it down immediately because I don't know what they were getting from it but I do it cut a path through a couple of other bases minot and and I forget where else it was to the south of there. But It's very disconcerting. We haven't had one in 100 years not a legitimate one well you know you know um not to uh toot my own horn which And so I guess you'd think that if we were serious-minded,

15:21 point being it's the same with the damn balloon is it because we don't think we'll ever get an answer and it's kind of a waste of time? I think that's part of it. And Xi believes that they are still on, related to China for decades. homes, to produce whatever you're going to produce. And so if we want to get rid of fossil fuels, by definition, you have to increase mining of critical minerals. There's just no way around it. If you do both,

18:08 Keep it all in the ground, right? And the videos that he got when he was, you know, he risked his life to get footage of this stuff in the Congo. Anyway, they produce more than anybody else. They certainly control the refining process controls 30 of the 50 critical minerals anyway. They produce more than not just the U.S., right? You can't do mass farming, right? And everybody wants to grow local,

20:51 they want in terms of U.S. behavior is not to try to influence, you know, the White House, ground. No, we don't want phosphate mining as an example. And that serves the purpose. work? China has so much influence on America. It's crazy how different the playing field is between what we're allowed to do. Americans can't own businesses in China. They can't own

23:34 many of them are just more careful yeah yeah it's um it is interesting in a way we used to talk And, you know, we, this idea, I mean, look, China produces more carbon than all the developed nations combined. I don't understand where that message is coming from Right. They've got more resources. it's just pure, you know, propaganda or much time reading on this shit, but I'm fascinated by this idea that we're trying to do two things

27:37 Where the fuck is he talking about her? He's is he going is he taking a nap? And they've done that in the past, right? why don't we push back? We don't have that much leverage right now so i think that's part of the answer well there's also we need a push for nuclear Yeah. And there's a host of chronic illnesses that are coming with this. Right. Also, don't charge your car because it's hot out.

32:55 I think they're right, and I think they're going to slowly but surely expose more of these very clear pieces of evidence of corruption yeah yeah the 20 million dollars Just avoiding bill collectors. you've got a myriad of single purpose companies set up up you know around there first of all when you And the great thing about asset tracing also is that there are records, right? And that's what they're finding out now. And I'm glad because whether it's

35:46 But it is, in my mind anyway, for what that's worth, there's no doubt. at some point, maybe the dam breaks and there's so much paper evidence that they can't ignore it And this is just what's been uncovered, right? Did this only start when he was VP? Made some great photos. Look at that. It's literally nothing. And and that that's it's a great payday for them. And whether it president and then after that and was he aware did he know that hunter was out there doing all these things and using access and at first it was like i had no idea it wasn't

39:20 She's gone. Including Dan Quayle. guy take over i forgot about that but no but you're right and i think if yeah they can't yeah I don't know what percentage is, but it's probably fairly high. I don't think they walk it back and say, yeah, actually give me, you know, because I don't Yeah. And before they had come across with what the charges would be.

42:54 right, ahead of time. But also, how would they know? How would they know how the grand jury was And so six months from now is, whatever, February. all the corruption with his son. I mean, that's far clearer. This is like real clear stuff. But not everybody's engaged in money laundering. I'm going to get Trump. The times that I have looked, there's a lot of shit out there.

46:30 Eh, we couldn't wait to get him out of the house. Does he want to play professionally? And he's making his way towards six foot. And he'll get as tall as he needs to be for a point guard. they show up with a baby. He's all about getting the ball passed properly, It can be a terrible experience for the wrong kid. And we've never been those sort of parents for any of the kids

49:20 So I think he's, again, he's very independent, right the other two boys were like But, you know, from our perspective, you you've got to keep every door open for the kids So how we went from election meddling. near Grand Forks. about 12 miles from this base. really our domain. We don't see anything wrong with this. So we can't cancel the potential the Chinese are buying up farmland all across America.

53:25 The problem and that not every time is nefarious not every time, you know, I'm not saying that you know Yeah, we got two of them. Certainly, obviously, and you've talked about this a lot, the cell phones and how hard you have to work to turn off applications that will do that. And I mean, who's got the time nowadays? Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus Christ. use team advised owners not to connect the robot vacuums to the internet wow yeah yeah jesus christ

56:39 I've read that you can do that with Ethernet cables Ethernet cables yeah If you roll up on a target site now and you're wearing the old, you know, highly advanced super soldier Google glasses, right? I mean, it's an amazing world, but it's also pretty, what's the word? I'm like, okay. or I don't even know what the dances are anymore. We've dropped about upwards north of $80 billion there, right?

59:31 From 2001 to 2020 in Afghanistan, we spent about $73, $74 billion. And the last time a European was country, it was at the top of the aid list was the Marshall Plan, maybe, the Truman administration. And you can guarantee that it's being siphoned off. we are not currently funding the Taliban. He And how many have been killed? I get it. Whatever. What the hell?

1:03:57 doesn't have the same job. They have to be fully covered, obviously. that have to get to the country to be dispersed. And the Taliban controls everything, right? Now, by the way, we also allocated a handful of billions politics, right? So meanwhile, one of the few real, you know, significant sources of revenue thing in terms of long-term cost and in terms of not having any solution of how this could ever possibly end.

1:07:55 proposing their own peace plan. You know, Saudis are making an effort. So, but there is no exit Right. But unless he budges to some degree, I don't see that they're going to get a settlement where the two sides agree, because Putin, I don't I don't still I've said this before but I don't imagine the the Russian government giving back Crimea, right?

1:10:06 NATO allies' support and others, they wouldn't have been able to accomplish what they've done, 16s, Abrams tanks, Patriot missile system, I mean, HIMARS. We're doing everything possible, He believes, you know, this is an attack on the motherland. was the same concept there was no difference right so yes i mean that's and so we you have to be You don't want it to go on for 20 years.

1:14:33 and I'll tell you right now about this potential. government contracts to go in and do some piece of reconstruction whether they had experience to far look like nothing, I think. That's just my opinion. But so I don't know. There's no, you But I don't think he's off the rails. know major players out there who who benefit from that sort of thing and you know other people

1:18:18 shocked that they fell apart in in a matter of hours basically as the it's not rocket science, right? You see the same things over and over again in terms of, you know, that. They blame the intel community. And yes, you know, the way that we characterized the ability of the Afghan military and government to hold together was abysmal. Well, no. spending this money people are going to get fed up or they're going to start questioning, is this really something that we should be worried about?

1:22:00 thinks, all right, that's Russia, you know, small GDP equal to a European country, small European country. But, you know, do we honestly believe that we're going to put boots on the ground in Taiwan to fight the Chinese regime? Right now the thing is Ukraine. What is the difference between the way that Taiwan operates their government and the way China would operate it if they took over?

1:24:33 That's more of a practical economic issue, right? got to bring things back which is part of what's all that talk about on shoring and bringing I think it was, yeah, we got addicted to cheap stuff, right? We keep repeating the same mistakes. intelligence and you know we won and so they stopped it and then the you know And that really – the entire interconnectedness of our economies just blew up at that point.

1:28:20 The pandemic pointed that out pretty clearly. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah, I think I's the problem. Yeah. I loved listening, but I can't say that anything came out of it, even with Dave Grush's testimony. I was talking with Jamie earlier. And also, I mean, look, he had a wingman. there wasn't just one person looking up in the sky and saying, oh, I see a light, you know,

1:32:28 And so I think that's one thing. You're just seeing things out there that you wouldn't have picked up before. Well, okay, well, let's at least log it, I saw a UAP or I saw a UFO back in the day. And they are working on these things all the time, right? I'm not smart enough to know what I don't know, right? At the Pentagon, yeah. in 2004 with David Fravor, where you just don't have an explanation. Okay, fine. Then, you know, but be more transparent about it, right? And

1:38:20 It's considered still classified. Well, you know what what the fuck, you know, tell us why not? where they've developed some advanced system of propulsion is misappropriating funds in order to prevent point, just like with the Biden administration situation, and they're looking at their bank But if that's not the case, then I see no reason not to be more open and transparent about some of the other information that they may have and the sightings they have.

1:42:16 it's really hard for them to keep a secret, right? And that's a monumental secret. And at some point, you know, Whoa. but he said there was some talk But that's my point about secrecy. mark, right? Could they keep this secret that they've got frozen bodies of aliens sitting It's people that work for the government and often defense contractors. I mean,

1:45:36 It'd be a hell of a secret could I tell you some shit. And, you know, in detrigging, they're looking at this and they're trying to interpret it based on what we know right now, right? We're still surprised when we find something in the oceans. There was nothing. Yeah, 2012, I think it was. out what what the hell that is but did those things exhibit in any sort of capabilities that

1:49:02 but, you know, and I think... radar imagery on these items. So anyway, what they might be, again, nothing was solved as a result of And rather than holding on to evidence and trying to keep it a secret, which, again, Right. and minimize it, but it's important stuff, but, you know, for lack of a better word. And, you know, and meanwhile, we've got this in our back pocket, right, waiting for someday.

1:52:05 Yeah. You know what? That's a great question. You should have your own podcast. Yeah, you know what? It's not the speed. It's the acceleration or the stopping that kills you. It seems a long time. So, too soon. I just have a really hard time believing that. right? So inside the government and military, you develop a program, you come up with an idea,

1:55:38 So you could siphon some of that off to some program or move it to a program? And so then you go from there and you work like hell to keep it secret, right, which creates at the speed, it creates this, you keep shortening the gap for response And again, I would hope so. Because you're punching through the air, you know, at such a speed that it's changing everything, right?

1:58:46 I've not heard that. And I don't know why I feel like it's fake. So do you think Grush is like part of the. I would get some information to a guy and encourage him to leak it and then encourage him to have these hearings and talk about all this stuff and put all this weirdness out there where it kind of confuses the narrative, like what is real and what's not real.

2:00:34 if there was a moment where the president got on television Does it just not seem right? But I think with Grush, I think – here's my take on it. and he talked to enough people waters by doing this, because in a sense, you're just creating more conversation around it. You're that causes them to then start looking and saying, well, where is money being spent?

2:05:02 Again, you'll probably whittle them down, right, to, I mean, we were doing black files and we were going around talking to people about, doing the same thing, you know, oh, we're leading the hypersonic race right now. Great. But they've It could be. the ocean but then you look at space and how immense it is, right? Compared to the ocean, right? So it, yeah.

2:08:07 I mean, We're programmed to actually want physical evidence. What's one of the things that's fascinating is the narrative has shifted so wildly from whether it's commercial or military pilots, as an example, to report it, right, and to be more, You know, if your concern is that someone's getting close to the truth and you got to Well, interesting thing with Grush is, look, he said so during the hearing, right?

2:10:25 Get him in here and let's have him talk classified shit. Well, you'd have to ask him. rather than just having this this These are all just programs that he's been made aware of that he felt like people needed The information from Grush, who said he was unable to discuss specifics on what he told the Pentagon's watchdog arm, issue of secrecy and what's possible to discuss or what's legal to discuss.

2:13:21 You know, you're saying, you know, you can talk about it in a skiff. And if they're sincere about trying to get to the bottom of this and that's theoretically their job, then they should. I feel like people are so overloaded with information today because of social media and because of the news cycle. I haven't seen any stories that talked about the follow-up with Grush.

2:14:58 Standard stuff with military veterans. Why don't you shut your little dinger off there, fella? Isn't that what you want from, I mean, that's the whole purpose of providing these services for veterans, that when they do have suicidal thoughts and they are struggling with PTSD, that they get help. Look, we lose a shocking number of veterans to suicide, right?

2:16:40 any problem with discussing it, but we should be concerned by the fact that somehow his medical records were put out there. Right. Do you know that story? and they showed him alien bodies. And the Yeah, pretty wild shit. The CIA snatched it up. was in a magazine an esquire maybe Esquire can't be found anywhere. No. It was a short, relatively short movie.

2:19:45 That's it, yeah. I don't know the actor's name off the top of my head. Wow. Yeah. Kevin Spacey? know about that but he he played a good nixon he was a damn fine nixon he played a good president Okay, it's time to switch and find a new series to watch. Take over a podcast? Yeah. delivering insights and analysis once reserved for the President of the United States.

2:22:26 Is it video as well? And then that's it. You always get these different takes from the president, from every administration as to how they receive these things. And then it allows people, but every day. Yeah, I mean, again, it's informative. I mean, no sources or methods or things, but the recall was surprising. thing that he had as a politician was not only could he make you feel like you were the only person in the room but he he had this recall the ability to talk about things in detail that um

2:26:27 And I, and I was like, what the hell are we talking about this for? Out of office. Like, what's the difference Like, why is that and what is it like? more difficult now for people to do because it's so damn partisan. But, um, yeah, it is, being a CEO of a Fortune 50 company, you know, where you've got a lot of plates spinning and So at the end of the day, maybe we put too much... We imagine the president's got more ability, right, to do things or to change things or to shape things than they actually do.

2:30:26 That motherfucker just... I don't think they can stop him. Does anybody from the GOP side, any of the candidates have a chance to take the nomination instead of Trump? He's very rational and very smart. but he's very young, too. Would people want a 37-year-old guy running the entire country, No way. No. Not a chance in hell. I think she steps down. I think if I had to guess,

2:33:24 Right. of a liability. And so they went after him. Yeah. But I'm not sure how. I don't know that the party's got what it takes to come out without an incident, right? Without something. And yeah, whether it's dementia, Oh, I know. It's working. control she's you know like said my daughter has control of my you know business and everything Well, Trump could choose him as a VP, and I think he would be a formidable VP. Maybe I'll just let the whole system reboot right now because this Biden-Trump thing is just so bizarre.

2:35:45 I want a level-headed, super intelligent, rational person who has had a massive amount of success in It really did expose all this corruption and the fucking Russia collusion, the fact that the media was completely on board with that, that there's been no apologies, that this was all bullshit. I have no problems with that at all. in every single organization, no matter what it is,

2:38:16 I mean, maybe the head of it is enamored with whatever it was, equity and- that ask all those important questions and that demand answers and that aren't so hyper-partisan Everybody should be subject to the same concerns and behavior and scrutiny. time frame that they are, you know, would seem to get these things out there in the timeframe that they are,

2:40:56 Yeah. No, there's nothing. And then you get into banana republic territory. But again, Yeah. I mean, well, I know. But what I mean is when they say that, you think, No. I don't get it either. How is that still legal? program that's gonna be developed to develop a new type of propulsion system And there's not a transmitter in that. I hope so, man. Thank you.