Joe Rogan Experience #2023 — Brian Keating Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! It's the actual tool. and nobody ever thought to go take one lens, take another lens, and go like this. stealth. It'd be like turning off the B-2's ability to have stealth. So he improved it so This isn't a great telescope, but it's illustrative, and we can use it to do things. piece of ice today. These lenses are super clear and super clean, you know, modern lenses. This

3:08 I need some kind of augmentation. Wow. So when they first started using telescopes, what kind of power are we talking about? from there. And that is wonderful. But every single thing that Galileo saw with his 20 power That's right. And it did it to that. With just a two-power thing, like a spyglass, like a toy thing, you really can't see craters on the moon.

5:46 He wasn't saying, my hypothesis is that it formed from the same planetary system as the Earth. And so he understood it mathematically and could prove it. it does something really important. It reduces what are called systematic effects, aberrations, Okay. make it seem less efficient, but actually improve and perfected by Galileo. Isaac Newton came along

8:57 I'm kind of cheap, right? Really? is, imagine you have a piece of glass And what kind of power does that one have? But even though it says, oh, you've magnified it 300 times. and that refracts light depending on its wavelength. It's called chromatic aberration. I've actually done quite a lot of work with binoculars 42 is usually the eyepiece relief.

12:12 Exactly. And you can get really high quality ones. But a telescope using mirrors, right now in space, we've got, you know, They have no chromatic aberration. This is just called the Simons Observatory. from the cosmos, reflects off the one that's tilted at a 45 degree angle here, and the world's highest operating observatory Oh, okay, yeah. And he hired my father, my late father, which maybe we'll talk about later. And they were best

16:33 And two, to solving basic physics problems in science and math and chemistry and computer science. We pitched it to him in 2016. And the foundation kept paying us and we kept it going. Like I get out of breath if I walk up a flight of stairs at Mauna Kea. There were people in the Inca societies, the ancient Incas. Up there, you're wearing nasal cannulas.

19:09 Yeah, he'd do it. up in Boston remember some days in the past we used to get I grew up in New You remember? So it's so clear. to see it I keep hearing that it's insane and as we were driving up the Well, you mentioned this. This is the Alma. Because there's no contrast. Those are called the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds. They're shorter than radio waves, and they're longer than infrared light,

23:28 We're actually at the center of this ball here, and we're looking out of that galaxy, out towards the galaxy. like i don't see that when you're in monica right you that that is dust that's dust in the milkyway Yeah, the Big Dipper. So the Incas could see this much more clearly. Libra? Whoa. smudges on the left, those are galaxies or dwarf galaxies that are bound to the dark matter and the

26:18 because I always knew there was a lot of stars, I fly little planes around Southern California. the stars. It will make you feel like you're tripping. So I'm told I've never tripped. I think it's akin to people not getting sunlight in the winter. He's such an amazing contributor. His whole shtick is get out in the morning, I just said what will happen.

29:06 So people identified things and they could navigate. I always give them crap. But they can do something, which is quite phenomenal. the solar system using scientific reasoning and evidence based on observation. How good are the So I love etymology, and stop me if I'm nerding out too much. It just means non-Jewish. But we have names as astronomers. Jamie, if you could show this, it would be amazing.

32:12 They do not twinkle-twinkle like stars do there's thermal radiation close to the ground and then the air is much cooler. And so you get these Stars are massively bigger than any of our planets, including Jupiter, the biggest planet in the solar system. is he made a series of observations of the planet Jupiter. They had sundials, but what are you going to do at night?

33:51 it's extremely hard to determine what your longitude is. this prize, which was worth, you know, like a million dollars back then in those days. And he Jupiter has four moons. binoculars? Yeah. and then in 1610, there they are, Jamie, on the right with those stars. but it has his handwriting on it in pencil. I couldn't tell what this was, that's why I didn't want to bring it up.

36:07 Look at that beautiful chiseled beard. not be pure he had to support his uh his brother who's kind of a no good nick but anyway the It's a Pinterest thing. That's Galileo's handwriting. That's a good point. So if you go back. It does not exist. He was conveying. I don't know if Spotify is going to hook you up there. Today, they're called the Galilean satellites.

39:45 his life and he needed money and so right but when he drew that he realized the wait a second Remember, the solar system was the universe for a long time. person. I always make a provocative statement that like, we don't need English departments. But Newton was the same way. It's actually, you know, the atheists. know, I always say, like, imagine we're living in a time where someone like Anthony Fauci or,

43:15 Tuscany and Venice and Rome and so on. In other words, he felt that the signature of God is truth. Because it could lead to insurrections. It certainly could be construed that way. to want to eat it's called a pig um you know don't eat like why doesn't it start with that they had mummifications preserved into the afterlife. They named everything after themselves.

46:32 Right. Let there be light. But where does it say in the Bible that the earth is the center of everything? So why is it that a sect of the, or say the scientific and technological elite of the Catholic Church, And so, therefore, it was blasphemy for Galileo to contradict Aristotle. was its key enemy. And so if you, we didn't have a sun god. That's why if God creates the sun,

49:09 That's really amazing. by the Catholic Church. I got a telescope, So I was born Jewish. They basically would call, That's amazing. you know, And I didn't think there was a street light out there in the middle And in Cosmos, it would say, like, what's happening in the skies. interested and i kept watching them night after night and i was i was unknowingly and i always

52:53 those were galileo realized he was looking at a mini solar system edge on he was looking like if Right, but I mean in terms of like the actual mechanical clock itself what was he so his is it just a calculated clock on paper it was And then, like, you'd go on the ship, and they'd be moving around like this, You just look at the positions. Like they have evil weapons.

54:54 Oh, my God. First pendulum clocks. even though I abandoned it later on, as I'll describe. So all the clocks of the same – all the lanterns with the same length chain, all the chandeliers, they were all having the same periods. It would swing. How did they discern the amount of minutes in an hour, the amount of hours in a day? Atomic clock. That's your game.

58:02 other than military, which uses a 24-hour system. That's right, yeah. When you think about that the whole world has adopted this system, essentially, other than military, which uses a 24-hour system. It's like Arizona. But, I mean, and then, you know, obviously there's time zones. It's knowing how I screwed up the measurement. issues with that in the past when we first started the company well we we were getting stuff made

59:48 He's a San Diego Padres. Settle down, sir. Some of these guys are just insane. And she dedicated her life to just like just being the best person she could be. And she's totally ripped. But like, she never used steroids. There's a lot of people that have just thick, heavy builds. I've met many people that are really fit and look fucking huge and they don't do steroids.

1:02:21 Either they're doing it so sophisticated that even with USADA, which is I see. I see. And how do the weigh-ins work? Because one of the things I was going to mention Dan Garner is – what is his profile here? So when a guy weighs in, in this case, Sugar Sean weighted at 135 pounds. When you stand next to him, like there's, show an image of me standing next to him when

1:05:03 The best at it is this guy alex pejeda alex pejeda who was Are you saying these guys are compromising their lifespan? I don't see the actual weigh-in I go there for the ceremonial weigh-ins and he's already put on probably 10 pounds of water by They did a study, I think, in the 80s with Olympic helpfuls. Because what are these, Joe? But are atheists. They all have religions. Right. And I think for some of these guys.

1:08:01 Like the Nobel, like you can't probably name more than, you've had a couple Nobel Prize winners You know one, that very few people achieve. It's 15 years old, Joe. Isn't that interesting? That's the only substance that's made by an insect, which is you're not allowed to eat insects in kosher. One branch of it's in Louisiana and one's in Washington State.

1:10:25 Waves in the fabric of space time, such that if one were coming through this room right now, I mean, you couldn't It's distorting the feel and force of gravity. Well, these two black holes coalesced and one or two sun's masses of these black holes signal, but separated by the speed of light divided into the distance. In other words, It's a quote from Arthur C. Clarke.

1:12:37 There's more people in the NBA right now, Joe, than have won the Nobel Prize in physics that are alive. And you get the million dollars or your portion of the million dollar purse. I look, who won it last year? And I said, Barry, I've got good news and I've got good news. through the Principia and the study of natural determinism and laws. Tortured people?

1:15:02 Yeah, you'd think a podcaster. his biggest accomplishment according to him was what was? What? He died a virgin. And who was that? But he could die celibate. You know, you're young and full of hormones, and you've made this decision to be like Jesus? Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's Alfred Nobel. But he established his pride. especially like high achievers.

1:17:58 I can't be the man. told me you know like if you discover these waves of gravity manifest in the cosmic background to be a part of. There are very few projects that are eligible to win a Nobel Prize, let alone that He is, I believe he's out of the University of Connecticut. Exactly. Yeah. No, you're right. yeah you should see it i don't go to the movies i do go to the movies i saw barbie yeah did your

1:21:32 That's what I love about astronomy. Jesus Christ. And Einstein says, First, you must tell me your IQ. I think it's more of a tribal thing than anything with us. If I talk to somebody, I talk to Noam Chomsky, I personally hate his politics or whatever, Yeah. I mean I hope so. you know, before the parents meet, So therefore I must be in the people that say

1:25:08 Instead of that, we teach them to subscribe to whatever ideology the teacher is promoting. If you don't, Andrew Huberman commented on a post that I made about Robert Kennedy Jr. And they removed that because they had decided that they were going to – I don't know what their thought process was, what their motivation was. And the way they did that to Huberman when he was just saying that he hopes more presidential candidates do long-form podcasts.

1:27:18 But trying to study how to be a better podcaster, to be better at my microscopic emulation, right? It means it's so important to have people do exactly what you just described. But we have this whole class of But they also have, They're not just awesome and the top elite killers of science, Joe. And we have what we've had for the last few years. Do you know the difference?

1:30:30 Like, F that. have properties. It may have phases. It may have building phase, dissipating phase, hail, whatever. So imagine your boss, the CFO of that company comes and says, to do. And if you didn't pay me or Gavin Newsom, my boss, your former governor, if he didn't pay I don't think I'm the best teacher, but I think I can do a good job enough to take somebody who wasn't a layperson and now they're an expert.

1:33:04 What he's doing, he can't do real. This is this. This is around. NotGrasse Tyson, it's not that important. What he's doing, fields of science that you let me try explaining string theory to regular people. Oh, he'll put you in a coma. your DNA by this point. I think I can teach you. You could teach? Yeah. If your body moves normal, the last couple of years, we don't know who to believe. We don't know where is the ground truth.

1:35:16 Working on radar and the same thing was going on in MIT Absolutely. Okay. It's cool. in what's called the infrared portion of the radio, look at the source of white light above us. You'll see the orange. And that's because that's made of gases that only emit light at very, very narrow wavelengths, very, very small wavelengths. This is a laser spot.

1:38:07 So this diffraction grating separates light out into all of its different wavelengths. would register 70 degrees or whatever it is in this room. That's heat. It's incredibly small. So what Webb has are a series of detectors like these things. So if you put them at the focus of a telescope and you spread out the light using something like time, I can call them up and say, hey, I have this fun podcast. Would you like to come on? I've had

1:41:31 universe is infinitely old and that the reason that you see red galaxies is not because they're Is this person qualified to make this statement? Kirkpatrick and she and I went through this guy's claims. And and then the next day and we showed And he even agreed that there are problems with it. oh there's this new material and it has a breaking point of 10 000 kilograms per millimeter or

1:44:29 And then if it's incredibly provocative, you know, one of the world's foremost influencers might say something about it. He's good at engineering and he's an incredible businessman and a visionary person. So it can make sense in the following context. How is it possible that they're not only able to talk on electrified silicon, but they're also They're rotating.

1:46:49 I always thought, you know, 13 billion is a pretty big number. You know, now they're saying 27. So occurred at a very definite point in the universe's past, that we believe to about one, of the universe itself. In the sense that we are – Jobs is a scientist, especially me as an experimentalist. In contrast to people like Brian Cox, Neil deGrasse Tyson,

1:49:32 Our job is to find the flaws in the existing paradigms, shatter those, and refine those. The best way to simulate the Earth's climate is with another Earth. And is it possible that like when we're looking, is it whatever levels of detection, whatever methods of detection I misinterpreted what you said. Galaxy formation, properties of stars, exoplanets, the atmospheres, the chemistry, civilizations on exoplanets.

1:52:20 You know, you could dissect it. I don't know what these biologists do, to be honest with you, Universe. so be careful with it. Now you, your birthday is the peak of the Perseid meteor shower. It's one This is one of your birthday gifts. solar system. It's actually older than the earth. It's about 4.3 billion years old. That was like... And what would you do with a chunk of metal back in the 1500s, Joe?

1:55:02 I have one big sample even bigger than that one. You know how like Ryan Holiday has these like Memento Mori coins or whatever? About 7,000 years ago. get these. So this is like a stockpile The other one is gravitational waves. reveal properties, not about the age of of galaxies but the age of the universe that would cause me to question things? So you can't see further back than that light because that's when the first light is produced. You can't see light earlier than that.

1:58:10 emerged from what's called a big crunch or a bouncing, collapsing universe. And these are the data. Interesting. but we never know about it because they don't have thumbs and technology right uh but i even He scooped up some of these little fragments of a meteorite. Those are all things that propagate near the speed of light. Yeah, please. the lifetime of a civilization

2:02:29 That's what the Drake equations are really parameterizing. Let me just tell you, my colleagues discovered that there's a planet, and it's around a star that's just like our sun. Just like us. same properties rocky planet had liquid water it has an atmosphere it has a magnetic field you know This is a piece of Mars. Sometimes some of that material from Mars gets impacted.

2:04:51 and it lands, in this case, it landed in Africa. that sounds dirty but it's not another term yeah so so we exchange material and actually sir fred Yeah, how much detection do we have? So how many of them have landed? Many of them are like the sun. You know, for example, I've been to Antarctica twice. It cost you, the taxpayer, $50,000. pretty cool do you know they can measure i'll get back to your question in just a second they measure

2:08:17 There's a lot of friction. Jamie Hatsfield, because I am a total ignoramus, It hears through its jawbone. that are possible in terms of the composition of planets in terms of temperature and in terms of 100% right. And then you get a number. And there are these giant seagulls called skuas. The Earth is so big, and, like, wherever there's a continent,

2:11:32 Just because there's a large number, there's a potential. Right. That may be. you know that the moon is exactly the same angular diameter That sounds like a lot of fun. It's only a 90-minute drive. It was him. Really? Yeah, exactly. Okay? but that it's actually a lubricant. You say, to have an iPhone, you're going to need eight things. I think there's trillions and there's eight things. You're God. You say, to have an iPhone,

2:15:13 Let's say each one has a probability in your godlike cosmic roulette wheel of one in a thousand for each one of those eight things to occur. Guess what that number is? And the probability of those eight things only I don't agree with that. So wouldn't they maybe not get as pelted by asteroids and meteors and have more time to develop? if there's no life in the universe, it's a big, awful waste of space.

2:17:17 is the most significant thing and something that we know is at least 13, whatever, billion years old. What do you mean, evidence for what? I i mean you can't say that we are not alone that there is life outside of the earth, but I think it came from the earth. I love Adam I like who gives who gives a, you know what? that there was at least one civilization,

2:19:19 the Big Bang and is gone. So is it relevant to you? Like, it's unknowable. I'm saying, you would make that bet, yes, there is life. You would have to admit that, right? I listened to it. Thank you. The advice I want to ask you is when you're talking to somebody, and for one reason or another, maybe it's your past history. that this is not what you're saying has been disproven.

2:21:41 all you need to do is learn Kung Fu. But seeing, if someone had like this very distorted perspective on something that I trained observers. I actually know my flight instructor told me a couple of things. He said scientist or even as a lay person. Okay. Okay. So we're talking and then I hear things like, well, And even in your interview. Then there's things from the Princeton.

2:24:58 does that mean? Is it slime mold? You know, my favorite thing. What did you think of the Fravor video evidence? So this is the Tic Tac or the – If I take up my little Cessna, I will fly you through this warning area. Oh, Jesus Christ, they're going to practice on you? jet? Serious killers. Oh my I did puke and I was so embarrassed You blacked out. I could have survived that one easier.

2:26:41 he's a great, like hoot, hoot, hoot. Everybody can be. I just haven't been hit the right way by the right person that's right but i You had any kind of material traveling through the Earth's atmosphere at such a speed would Yeah, but observations backed by data. And that he was responsible for radar in the World War II as part of one of his jobs. which is that the signal gets weaker not as the distance away from it,

2:30:18 I'm going to take their signal. I'm going to diminish it. I'm going to shoot it back exactly as the inverse square, because he knew how far away they were too. So he spoofed them. It was getting closer, but my radar showed it getting farther away. I think it's... No. There's something about this that doesn't feel real. I feel like I'm being duped. But a lot of those guys had seen them.

2:32:54 I mean, this is like, it seems to me that that's more likely. But then again, then there's these instances of people encountering these things. that's where it gets that's next that's a wormhole too far yeah But it is true. In fact, when I said the inverse square law, that is a very, very accurate way. And so these black holes that crash together But go ahead with your research.

2:34:56 I just want to look at your face when you get incredibly let down. to motion. And these muons have a relationship between their charge and their spin. It's a top. you can think of as a little tiny spinning top also, It's still going. What is this thing? Okay, that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. That was the original way you did it. It's symmetrical.

2:38:05 it'll spin forever like the dreidel but if you try to spin it the other way it stops and goes back Now those observations disagree at a very significant level such that the odds of it occurring by fluke chance is about 1 in 30 million or something like that. Well, you know, the Occam's razor approach is to think about it as, you know, maybe it's He doesn't even have direct eyewitnesses.

2:40:04 them. And I've heard things from like Lou Elizondo indirectly uh my friend kurt jamungo has talked Right. I've had him on many times. I said, Avi, you know, you happen to also be friendly. Because I said, would you go, I said, Avi, I live in San Diego. I should not have said, No, no, no, no, no. breakthrough star shot have you heard about this no No. They're going to send billions of little cell phone cameras to Proxima Centauri B.

2:43:28 Instead of having him spend $100 million on that that why don't you get him to you know get a little cubesat and shoot it off and go catch up to umu while it's Too in love with the idea of it. And this guy that he's friends with is... So he's trying to get to Mars now, right? Apparently, the idea is to it is possible that one day we will have the technology to colonize other

2:45:53 It was a war against the Soviets. So to say what we did, it's the Edmund Hillary thing, You know what the ultimate answer is So that the flame of consciousness never gets extinguished. Why continue with humanity? Could it be true that like, hey, wait, we shouldn't be dedicating all this effort. to do something like that. to have human life living on a terraformed Mars.

2:48:35 Why send satellites up there? And they go like this, right? Like the ore grade of gold used to be like in California, 1849, right? you know, and then it goes, drops off to zero. There's no saying that that might not also happen No, you care about what I can do with it, right? going up, but the number of floating point operations they do is saturating because so

2:51:06 Yes and no. But the question is, these different things have to overlap. had to be processed by a biologist, not by the same corpsman who collected it. You mentioned that. But how is it? Pandemics, COVID, respiratory, atmospheric transmission, a nuclear war and the effects of such a thing on the Earth and things in the UAP space that are happening and the boundary between Earth and space.

2:54:40 And then you have people that have claimed to have seen these things and worked on these things. But some of these things are, you know, it always comes down to, like, an optical perspective, from a sensor perspective, from a... Let me hear them talk. Yeah. Incredible. So there you're seeing a lot of waves, but it's impossible to have any depth perception, right? Because we're only getting a single view of it. And there's a gyroscopic stabilization tool that they're using in the FLIR system that's measuring it, right? So there is a heat signature. That's how I can see it on FLIR, the forward-looking infrared.

2:57:17 From their weapon systems, they can't detect how fast? Was that one? Right, but don't you think their equipment has the ability to detect speed? and there was a balloon floating the telescope, you know, floating in front of the moon and you could see it and it was big and like a Chinese spy balloon or something like that. We don't know which way the wind was blowing.

2:59:33 And so you then, your compatriot, your comrade comes back to the deck and you put like Independence Day posters on his rug and you've seen it too. I'd put it in their bed, have it tucked in. Okay. a silly comparison i'm just making a comparison their life is threatened though but if he comes This is the square in a circle. A sphere inside And do you remember how we didn't shoot it down?

3:01:51 unless their equipment totally sucks. And this is like the equipment that got upgraded in 2014. Well, then why wouldn't the government go out? Maybe it's theirs. And he was explaining all these Chinese balloons. I don't remember these happening. Because you're not like shooting. So if you shoot it with bullets and pepper it with a bullet, it does nothing.

3:03:22 So I always have to look for the simplest explanation of what they could be. Now, Avi, to get back and give him his credit because I don't want to be perceived as I'm denigrating him in any way, but he has built this Galileo project. And it would be just a revolution. I always say Eric, you know, Eric is my atomic clock. How come these aren't showing up only in the radar, microwave region of the spectrum, infrared?

3:05:59 Maybe they could be using gravitational waves. that don't seem to make sense or looking for phenomena In other words, how come they're not over the observatory that's in western Texas that out where the nuclear weapons are. I'd be like, what are these fucking crazy assholes up to? Yeah. But there's been many. There's people that have, they have mental health breakdowns where they

3:08:31 Here's an... It's like always in the middle of the night. seriously is my friend David Spergel is one of my mentors. And he is leading NASA's UAP And there's a huge subculture, right? the scientific method? are real and that disclosure brings me back to i mean i'm not accusing people of mind control experiments, but it has been done in this country many, many times.

3:11:27 And this is someone who thinks that aliens are real. I'm just not, I don't know where it came from. I don't want to say almost. So I'm wondering at this level, is there a possibility? feels fake and i don't know why and maybe it's real maybe again maybe it is just my natural reaction to something that is so outside of the norm that I don't have brilliant you know intellectual person but like him but he's like i don't believe in free will

3:14:38 it's uh there's a part of us uh socially collectively as a group that wants the right More than that. He said a book is magic because it allows the voice of a person who may have died many, I mean, surely you've thought about it. You know, it's hard to take the time to write a fucking book. I don't know. And I have a lot of great people in my life in terms of family and friends.

3:17:33 I was able to do a TEDx talk a long time ago. that I could work on But anyway, we came out, and afterwards I was like, you know what? A lot of maniacs are in the audience. But do you ever, when you're doing stand-up, it just seems like there's people in there. So you're doing stand-up to other wannabe comedians. the kind of animating impulse for me to do what I'm doing and trying to do hardcore science and keep people interested, engaged, and give the public some ROI and their money that supports

3:20:04 I guess, you know, it's like I could always be doing real science. Yeah. get overwhelmed. That's part of the way the world works. I don't know why certain people like certain kinds of music or certain kinds of art forms Yeah. And then the name of my podcast comes from a statement that the only way to determine the limits of the possible is to go beyond them into the impossible.

3:22:38 that you interact with and you learn and you keep absorbing information you keep trying to do a And there's going to be a lot of disappointment. whether you're trying to do science Don't think you're going to get to 65 and one day I'm going to quit. Just enjoy it. So you're saying I keep doing fun things forever. trying to extend their lives. I'm like, you can extend, you can live forever. And actually it's

3:25:23 Do you know why? That's what they believe, yeah. Have you ever looked into any of that Younger Dryas impact theory? well physical evidence now Turkey and go Beckley Tepe because back then they It's not like they carved into the stone. But it was purposely covered somewhere around 11,000 plus years ago. you know, in that element. No, there's no alien lore in this.

3:28:56 And he thinks that's what caused it. it'll blow your mind i i'm i'm sure'm sure it will. And I really appreciate you. Thank you for having me. There it is. Look at you, handsome devil. Thank you have links to Spotify there. It's called – There it is. And I've done – yeah, I've done it. All right.