Joe Rogan Experience #2028 — Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. I think you guys are. It is. You want to? sort of control on this And who has access to them and why? I mean, we have a history of disinformation and misinformation put out to the public and to Congress by the intelligence community, by the Pentagon. this information getting out? There's resistance on like multiple levels. So despite what you

3:59 It's like a it's like a it's like a toxic environment politically. Why are you as Congress pushing on us? Why are you doing that? Like, this is our job. We have clearances. So there's that We can't even catch it. I think you heard we heard Dave Grush speaking before this House committee in late July, hit the fan that everybody would freak out. Maybe there is something like that. I don't know.

6:42 And, well, let's say it was confirmed that we came out and admitted And I think that that was the projection of that study. way, or at least described in a very similar way, where they just jet off at insane rates of speed, It's been everywhere in the world, and it's been going on before 1947. I mean, some people have convinced us, have tried to convince us that there's real true national

10:50 As he testified before Congress in late July, we didn't have that technology then to do what the Tic Tac did. reports. Those documents paint a pretty clear picture. General Nathan Twining, who became chief of the Air Force, he was also the first Air Force guy to be the Metallic. this is real. It's not us. As the 1960, they put out a memo He came back with all those documents and actually supplied them to some people.

13:32 that any UFO, any orb, any ball of light, anything weird in the sky, all has to be investigated. I mean, also in these documents. The people who had gone on camera changed their tunes because the whole country had changed in that time period. Yeah, they had 40 different incidents during that study where Russian warplanes chased UFOs. We did an episode about this, like him going to Russia, the whole thing.

15:56 were doing. He showed me this tabletop model of a laser weapon that he called the weapon of the We do. It's kind of sketchy because a lot of those records, we have records of the planes going down, but there's no indication that the UFOs were responsible other than the Captain Mantell incident. And there's two versions. So the Russians how many crafts of the like we supposedly crush said that the United States is in possession of 12

18:15 saying it's like there's a lot of rumors out there and i and i don't know so this 12 you've heard it Right. Then you've got Ryan Graves, who his whole squadron has been seeing these things. conspiracy photo of all time can you imagine people seeing this and being like what are those designated for us because George and I were supposed to testify by the way but

21:17 under whistleblower protection. Dude, it was hard to get his lawyer behind him. I had literally had I think people are a little afraid of me I did an investigation. It was my job. I was hired by, and this is a guy from the National I found a ton of shit that supports this. to me. Our intelligence community did a deep dive investigation I'll give that to you today. We just got to get a skiff and we got to make sure

24:40 are hiding UFO stuff, either siphoning millions of dollars or they've got technology So they're looking for one word that he says that's outside of that like i get former ICIG, he's like, write it in, whistleblower. Whether you believe his claims or not, what he's doing is legal, but it is, It took DOPSER 14 months to approve our manuscript. So at a conference, the SCU conference.

27:27 So he had that moment on camera. Armed security guards escort him out. and permanently suspend his clearance. He gets this job. He's looking at all these special access programs. He's a fucking brilliant He wanted a journalist or journalists to know not to report on it. about the second trip so i'm already talking at this uh star trek thing because my my friend

29:54 Yeah. else that has come to us in private saying i I think this is illegal, what I'm doing. he testifies in front of Congress in that hearing and offers to tell Nothing horrible happened, but you know, he told us day one man that intercepting was some bullshit they come in and Not even just pull your clearance kind of shit. looked at. The Department of Defense, his employers looked into it. He'd gone through treatment. He

33:29 You're damn right it would be an embarrassment that territory to get that to happen. It was not received well by the intelligence community. that we're trying to reverse engineer it and figure out how it works so that we can duplicate He put together this amazing briefing document that included film and video and photos of UFOs that have been gathered by the U.S. military over the past 30 years.

35:36 it's good. We're doing them. It's good. We keep it secret. Like that's their standpoint, We admit atom bombs are real, but we don't give out blueprints. Like there's ways to keep people in programs and to not let them out by dangling this like, them. Anybody out there is's a whistleblower, It's low is what it is. their lives the number of veterans that take their lives in this country is

39:07 He's coming out. He's making things up. What's that dude that pushes the boulder up the hill? He had the job that he says he did have. short answer is kinda like i you know we we kind of know you know who has control of some of these And I'm like, well, what? What, what is so freaking scary that the public would For example, you know, you ask what could be so terrible that they can't tell us about it?

43:23 You know, you can imagine a lot of different things You can't tell your friends without telling your enemies. But he was working on supercapacitors in the 70s or something. But this is just a one-off story to give you an example exactly as a super. I don't know dude. That's what Google's for And so this is something that apparently... So this was something that was just discussed recently

45:50 they're metamaterials mean meaning it doesn't occur in nature we made them i have two kinds the heat from my fingers right in. So that material has unique principles and properties What the fuck? He worked on one. So that's one type of like, I don't know, whistleblower or to the goodies, the closer the public gets or Congress gets to actually seeing the saucers or finding out where the programs are, the harder these guys are going to push back.

48:30 and other things being stored there. Okay. The American Computer Company, I'm pretty sure that's the name of the company. of what this is. Colonel Phil Corso is the guy Research have been around for four years. Well, that's a big jump. One way you can guess the veracity of web rumor is the writer's typing style. We had it in a couple of file cabinets, and he personally took it to Bell Labs, claims to have given them the chips that inspired the later work.

52:23 I mean out of those ships. is taken at the level of above weapons of mass destruction within our government, educated on it. So the National Defense Authorization Act of 2024, it ends up being any of these non-terrestrial craft, I mean, they are so thorough. They're like, if they're being like a carrot and a stick kind of thing. If you read this language, it's almost insane to read

55:35 with the White House's cooperation. So it's the Biden administration, somebody in that like in different ways than getting money right from Congress. There's crash retrieval, but then there's also ones that are intact. If they're coming from somewhere else they're not crashing right but people will say to me look man um you know we have air plane problems and sometimes even planes crash and maybe there's other circumstances where these things could have crashed because they were

58:18 literally that's one of the many things that they tried to impose upon him. But remember, they tried to impose a lot of shit on Lazar. I mean, you're not going to tell a guy working on propulsion that. and not being able to touch it. You can't fake something that big lifting like that. So he says, So he does a whole panoramic of photos of Area 51, So I got the best shot of Area 51

1:00:23 How did Bob meet John? And Gene was friends with Bob. So Lazar was not a believer. He remembers Bob saying, oh, poor John Lear. And then he quickly realized, wait a second. those idiots everybody thought ufos were from outer space and they're ours you know right and It's just fascinating when you see these crafts move exactly the way that he described them in 1989.

1:02:33 turns on its side, shoots off. and this is the UAP section I've been reading through. good enough. Like this is one step, which is to get this presidential review board and you get a in all this? that may be controlled by private persons or entities in the interest of the public good. This needs to pass or we're screwed. This has to pass. And then the president has to sign it.

1:05:55 so the government just to come, gets to come in and take everything like that feels a little weird, truth about this. I want to learn more about it. He didn't just slip it into the bill. He made a big deal about it. He made an announcement, They can and our groups and they've said that they're worried about their own but the big one has always been that we were genetically engineered.

1:09:47 The problem is they look like the fucking devil. What could be so powerfully devastating that these keepers of the secrets have literally, all of them, pretty much stopped at the same place in talking with me and George? But, God, there's a giant leap between us and the other primates, a weird one, real weird. still around they're still around looking exactly the same and we somehow another advance to this

1:12:22 I think religion would probably adapt and, you know, that this was also created by God that could have facilitated that. them, could you say that to the public officially in some way and, and still avoid what they call I don't think it would register. But it doesn't have any weight in your real world. that the soul is a thing that we carry around. you know, for these, like he was a wild dude.

1:16:01 Like what does that mean in terms of like aging our souls, maturing our souls? Like your life experiences make you wiser. I mean, it's a fascinating idea. What kind of things specifically? William Brambley, gods of Eden. You know, just move right along from it um yeah and that's that news cycle it's pretty wild but Something. I mean, when, you know, don't tell me anymore.

1:20:13 Well, I mean, you guys, I mean, George, when did you first break the Lazar story? this is your next big story. It's the biggest story in history. Here you go. Ned looks at a that they had been studying it. anything about it. So that's how I got hooked in 87. I started reading about it and then meeting I had a moment. There is an issue that the two sides, far left, far right, can agree on.

1:23:38 announced and bragged about in China. So it's strategic surprise. Whatever we can derive from these technologies, we know that But that's true that people are looking at unknown technologies and exploiting them for laser technology. Everybody that I know and everybody that George knows believes that right now we are still going to be left in the dust at some point and we'll have what they call strategic surprise.

1:26:16 that if we find out it to be true. So most of the reason why they're withholding the information is It's happened in Russia. satisfied with part of it you can't be halfway pregnant you know so it's What is it that's so devastating? check this out i think it's cool to say um we have totally been warned, man, that as journalists, we are doing what is good for the public so we can obtain and release things like the Baghdad Phantom, the Mosul Orb, like a bunch of these.

1:29:06 our way that we haven't been able to vet yet or to make sure for national security that it's okay. not necessarily us, Those are the pyramids? video footage. that's one thing. imagine if you're the DOD and George and I say, by the way, we're running a story and here's some How do reporters get more information than they that they have on their own?

1:31:40 So if somebody's going out with national security things like and selling them to Russia or to China, oh fuck Yeah, so they got a really important job Start with the Omaha. kind of egg shaped and it, and minimum size is 14 feet. They weren't small, right? So the question on one of our first podcasts together. So all we know, let's just call them, we don't know who they're from, but there's these objects

1:33:35 fulfilled because they didn't really know the intent, weren't sure of the capability or So that also, by the way, I'm not going to say that one. Well, that's bullshit. Is that a balloon? It's not top speed wasn't matter. where they're going, where they launch, where they land. Where did they launch? But the New York Post put out this fake story that the mystery was solved.

1:38:05 Where the hell did they come from? There we go, there we go. What are they locked on here? or shape of it there. What if they were kamikaze drones, right? They feel that they failed in their duties because they weren't given the right opportunities to investigate and engage. Right. that they have other sensors Do they know? So I can't justify to the public the shape because it's just if they change their mind, hopefully they tell George.

1:42:40 There were two at that moment. So there's a briefing slide that we acquired and And what Commander Fravor said at the hearing, imagine somebody being like we're getting swarmed pull out the gatling gun or whatever it is you Because I asked the people that wrote this, Unmanned aerial system. So I don't know. It's a key training range for all our naval aviators, the best pilots in the world.

1:46:49 operation, but we didn't know whose they were. Pilots would see them every day but wouldn't i don't know when when we first reported that people thought we were making it up but You've heard the spheres, the cubes with spherical. But there's so much data now. unclassified, this image itself But, you know, look, man, that's a balloon. Where were we?

1:49:32 because they're seeing it all over these restricted airspaces, If you talk to any of these drivers who do these nuclear trucks, there's not one that doesn't have a story about being followed by an unidentified. And they did it 18 times. it was a gentleman who said, do you think that this is possibly an observation program? Yes, Right. What if they are us from the future, which has been explored a lot?

1:52:37 Yeah, some of these have pilots, apparently. that the material science we have, that our means of propulsion, like you've said before, used to be horses, bicycles, cars, jet cars, spaceships, right? maybe they've got a settlement under the ocean, you know, that they could get away with hiding speculate that all of these different machines come from one particular group of entities?

1:55:52 at least change how we perceive them in our head. nuanced because of national security, maybe it's not illegal. What makes anybody think that they Here's what we know about them. I'll tell you man. I've been to the Naval Academy got to sit in on an aerospace class And that there's four different kinds of beings. Jamie could find that. Academy textbook, if such beings are visiting Earth, two questions arise. One, why haven't

1:59:46 Variation. At the end, he seemed to go along with the recommendations of the physics textbook, which advises Air Force officers as follows. It's just an Air Force textbook, dude. seeing them all the time in my world it's like god damn dude every day i'm inundated with reports turn i had one guy who's like showing me all these photos of clouds yeah i get it every day i'm like

2:02:57 I was working at a military installation and there were cameras everywhere and we captured this thing come through our events at a nuclear facility of intrusions. So people have come to me and George and they've So we get these all the time people that too. They described things from a satellite platform It would be nice to see batman balloon how big was that supposedly i don I think it was 40 feet across, I think.

2:06:18 Because that's legal to put out, you know, if they're going to shoot at it. ground troops if you're like 27 37 miles away from ground troops they're blowing it up second thing is if it appears to have a payload fire on it oh because Yeah, but again, once you're zooming in, it becomes – But also, I mean, whatever this is, they don't necessarily want to be seen.

2:08:09 Yeah. I have no idea. Although all Soviet anti-aircraft batteries on the islands were in action, no hits were made. have happened on a more personal level. On Sunday morning, evening 21, August 1955, It was about three and one half feet tall with large round head and very long arms. At that moment, Perhaps feeling unwelcome, it says. However, the data are not well correlated,

2:12:25 made. Yeah. Yeah. That's what they're teaching the Air Force Academy in 1966. Wild shit. So this was They probably didn't know what to do. How do you get them to accept the fact that the, it was officially denied. Your documentary is fantastic. perfect guy. Maybe not the most qualified scientist in the world, but obviously a bright guy who Well, that's a tactic, right?

2:16:13 Like I gave you that example of graphene, right? They're like adjusted atom by atom like layers of an atom we can't do that stuff we can't do that company they want a UFO baby they want to study it but I don't know one of the And this person was speculating that perhaps this is, now that we know that we can do things closed up. And he's like, that's the only thing in that craft that my mind could see as

2:19:21 There are indications that it's made in zero gravity. Right. For sure. like because the skin of the craft itself, when you talk to some of these military people that Yeah, that's a lot that's been discussed. We've heard it a number of times that the possibility that we haven't been able to duplicate the technology because those beings are part of it that it's part of the process that

2:22:18 I mean, there's way other stories of other people and what they've seen. Yeah, sure. I want to see that man you're gonna get into your Tesla you know at one day and It opens the door. All that stuff that analyzed metamaterials warp drive things of that Are we getting their shit boxes? Are these like the old fucking rusted out 1971 Chevys Come and see the weird earthlings.

2:25:21 eat food in front of them. You don't get within 20 yards of them. And so every time the chimps would get close to 20 yards, they'd back out and they never had when people like Neil deGrasse Tyson say things like, of the Amazon to find a new slug. this understanding of different languages, with all this technology, this is what we used to be a million years ago.

2:27:11 to do their term papers. and generations and generations, we get more advanced. We become part of this technological But in real life, he believed. that gives birth to the butterfly. do you own? Everybody wants a new one, unless you're rendering video, of course, then you need it. it or not and whether it exhibits any sort of emotions or any sort of uh need to communicate

2:30:43 I'm sure Russia's probably doing it. And they dial it for you. We are in essence, we are in essence creating an alien life form amongst us. And it's baked in. It's appealing when someone can just be cool and just enjoy your life. I want to find something out. Yeah. And I think, look, if I was an alien species trying to engineer human beings, one of the things I would do is engineer creativity.

2:33:36 Someone made it. We'll just pull the plug like shut your mouth shut your mouth happen so fast, sequentially, it seems like they're happening faster and faster. When do our And they'll be so much more advanced because one of the things that's been said about sentient artificial intelligence, one of the first things it'll do is create a better version of itself very quickly. It's like, you guys didn't know what the fuck you're doing.

2:36:25 You know we just asked him some crazy shit, and he did this little hack so it would be less like bias or whatever are actually endocrine disruptors. There's certain pesticides that are endocrine disruptors that are the gender roles. They don't need a differentiation between male and female in society, We could all agree on that. are kind of fascinating about the, just the just the way Earth operates and the way human beings dominate this planet.

2:39:56 but gosh, we also do some pretty amazing things. The first person who can put his computer chip, they'll do it. This one's wild. and all these weird things that go on inside a human being's mind. We're designed to solve puzzles, to figure things out, to have tasks. There's no more hate. and I'd say what's the best case scenario for this thing? So we went from the answering machine being the holy shit item that

2:44:23 Little did I fucking know I'd be living through all this, man. are going to regulate the narrative And this isn't good. Influencing social media and it's some scary shit Yeah. What do they represent to us? else you gotta have a board you have to have a panel of people being like okay how do we digest I just don't think the day is going to come where the president stands up and makes an announcement.

2:48:01 a UFO house, you know? Esquire, Jamie? We tried to track Nixon, right? To like grab, hey, let's listing his regrets. Do you ever see that on Twitter? No. He's listing his regrets, if I recall, of like, and he goes, and lastly, And there he is now. That was the sentiment? Right. going to be the two guys that have been working on it both very careful. You don't say stupid shit. You guys have the pipeline. True that. And you're both very careful. You don't say

2:51:00 and then people go, well, you were However— in, well now I, I'd be in position to get that kind of quality information. make this acceptable for journalists to cover because, you know, it's you get subjected to Arrow. And although I have real doubts about whether Arrow is going to get the job done And if they can find a way to pressure those guys We definitely will learn more tomorrow than we know today.

2:54:24 Well, it's my pleasure and my honor.