Joe Rogan Experience #2043 — Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Yeah, man, I'm a gamer. I literally can't play them. That's the problem you don't which probably shows how old I am now. on that. Yeah. So I hours of my childhood were spent on that. Oh, thank you. Yeah. It's just like they have these little worlds they create, Explain to them that there's things that you're going to want to get really good at that won't help you.

3:07 Remember that game, Jamie? in real life wow whoa i was like okay you've put all your energy into getting really good at Exactly. With it like a 30 inch monitor and you're sitting right in front of it and you're got fucking headphones on explosions and lightning guns it's amazing because if you think about it right like computer games are and doing things as well, which is, you know,

5:35 Well, think about stockbrokers. seeing what do they have, like, how much, how much. How do you motivate yourself to like make more? They're trying to like drill tunnels under the cities. That's crazy right though SpaceX. That's fucking insane But it's also as well, if you think about making money, what is really making money? And then maybe if we try that, then this is going to happen.

7:36 You're playing it to win it. I've met so many amazing people actually through social media. Not. But he lives in Asia If you're in China, they got that pretty locked down. 2018, 3,000 people, man. I think those are the complainiest folks. representation on bonfire night in november the 5th in our country and they did a representation on bonfire night in November the 5th in our country and they did a representation

10:21 You're crossing That's not a thing you should arrest people for. People have to be able to express themselves. why elon buying twitter was such a big fucking deal it's a big fucking deal and i know advertisers You can't dox people. And I actually think, I mean, what you said was, you know, just preach on that. But I also think on top of that, we have to, those of us who believe in freedom of expression,

13:10 Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Well, I mean, there's Helen of Troy. You know, there's like really strong women and pussy whip kings. A lot of that happens. So, I've seen the kind of rhetoric that you see online is just so like, if we don't win, democracy is lost. element of getting a punch in the face. Yeah. That's another thing, right? Like most people

16:01 Just walk up to a gym bro, snap a milkshake out of his hand. where people think that words of violence then you're going to up the ante and you're going to become more aggressive as a result. This is what I wonder, Joe. literally encourage crime because if you don't have Incentives if you don't have something in place to keep people from committing crime

18:14 And decriminalizing crime is a bad idea. Constantly persecute people and fuck with people. And it's like that just like there's always been bad plumbers. Yeah. There's just bad, some people just suck. And that could be anything. You hear about the one that does some horrible thing. And you don't see what happens if you get rid of them. And this is what happened.

21:13 about this that make sense when when people say that they're a victim of their circumstance and If that was financially viable, just like Hal Burton had those contracts to rebuild Iraq after we blew it up, if they had community centers, into the people that live there they're accustomed to it and you know it's family structure as well And guys who grew up in those

23:50 there was a really rough school i taught a little kid let's call him darren and he's one of the But because he came from a criminal family, he was never going to make it through school. And then they can leave the old world behind. We have to be. No, look what one guy did. And also that it's on all of them. But it's also it's like you're asking a lot and then on top of that you're essentially dealing with people that have a high

26:53 Yeah. Yeah. guy over and the guy's daughter was in the car she's like don't daddy don't And the drinking culture. and then shot his daughter and his wife, It's not fair. when it gets to all the way to letting violent criminals out Yes, but like dire poverty, food stamps, welfare. People call themselves like, you know, all these 1%ers. So most people in America that have a full-time job, they're probably making more than $34,000 a year.

31:05 There is no work for the vast majority of them. And what it inculcates in them is a sense of hopelessness and if you Now you're on your own. is such a powerful thing. I always knew that I would get out of it you know and culture you There's so many crazy videos of shootouts in the street. Are you out at night? are the people all the people that you see around you who are who are the people that have that

34:01 They were, you know, they're low IQ. like you know and it was it was gang it was gang you know because they take them they groom them I'll show you respect. It's never existed even briefly. people to do it so we realize how horrific it is so we act out we talk about it so it's not like if you know him. Turned out it wasn't true. So they lied about it stage after stage after stage.

37:41 And then they go, why is no one watching our content? It's just sold for $50 million. If the guy says his house is worth a billion dollars, right? The place is a palace. You don't give a fuck about the truth. Okay, so it was $18 million, and now it's worth, because of inflation, $27. I need a loan. as much. So they're collateral or whatever it is. It would last three

41:10 It's a fucking palace, man. Oh, it's a lot much. It's not my style. expensive property there to think that that's only worth 18 million to 27 Yeah. Right. believe that everybody on the right and everybody on the left just wants a fair battle. And they That's kind of scary that you would think that what you believe is so important that you're willing to manipulate an election.

44:30 like the idea of some new person taking charge doesn't like some night the idea some radical if it's Biden and Trump, let's say, So it's like, okay, how else could it be other than Trump versus Biden? I mean, in terms of Biden and the investigations that are happening, You never saw? It's a journal from the Washington Post. but when, The guy just, They don't want to touch that.

47:40 Yeah. And they can do so in a way that you really – it's not available anywhere else. No. And they're all terrified of existed before no and they're all terrified of drown in the English Channel as a result. very famous ex-sportsman this, uh, it happening like this? Like, what is it about this? Whose idea is that? So what are we doing here? you kind of get a sense of what human beings are. And human beings are flawed. They're not perfect.

51:28 live in both. And it's hard. It's really hard. But if you can do that, you can hopefully make And immigration, countries need borders, man. I don't know, but I don't know how it can keep happening. That's not important right now. I think in 2022 they lost $900 million in theft. We actually check the facts. Here's how much it's costing other retailers.

53:59 I don't know. External or employee. They lost $796 million in 2021. Like I said, Constantine took part in a debate there. There's not a lot of science research that happens outside. It's an amazing thing to be a professor. like radically left-wing. So then they're in that world where they're constantly being reinforced. you're teaching kids at a playground and you're the god because you're the you're the professor

57:51 You have to use violence. And that is happening right now in 2023. Because I woke up and, you know, we're jet lagged. It's terrifying. Oh, yeah, for sure. yeah terrifying we just had one of their guys on to talk about it not just the truckers but people and you know she's always fine and in the middle of this thing she was like i'm terrified like i'm

1:00:55 And they're supporting a protest. Well, well the government has to step in we have to step in and we need to freeze everything because we need to make everything safe You're like yeah, and then you turns out you're applauding a Nazi. How old is this dude old? Is it because it was a different time Those are the bad people. Think about what they did.

1:03:37 They've ran everything. They killed something You know, there's a lot of historians in Russia who say that many of the reasons the way Russian people are the way they are. and the thing the thing about today is as much as we know about humans and much access technology carpenter you could get and he used to work in a factory Had a baby, my aunt Patricia, who was probably around one or two years old, married.

1:06:44 That does exist. But I think people were more resilient then because life was more difficult. And there is something greater than me. So there is that aspect of humanity as well. But those are the type of people that you need if you're going to have a war. slobs falling down and breaking their arms. How many people are resilient today? It's less. Oh, man.

1:08:36 be yeah we had like to have a certain amount of trans folks a certain amount of that would work that are just there because they're awesome. Mate, this is- Yeah. Whoever the fuck they are, whether they're white or South American or Indian, Could you imagine? get represented in the ufc like okay what the fuck are you talking about this is she's representing

1:11:06 wrong that's when things go western that's what we like to call it out here right things got western It does, but it also awards echo chambers. and back them up on these things, we touched on it briefly when you and I were talking, Yeah. rapid-onset prison dysphoria. quite a few. There's one person that identifies a woman went to jail and got two people pregnant in jail

1:13:44 Like, come on. SNP member was asked, What a weird world. That can't be a thing. That's how they wear their pants in prison. I don't give a fuck. I don't want to be talking about the ship, but when this is happening what we supposed to do Right there. Yeah, I want access to the female changing There's so many people that have ideas, people that don't have children, they have ideas that I think...

1:17:17 Like someone could steal your kids. If someone just says, I'm trans, I can use that restroom. They're fucking perverts and they want to be around kids or they want to be around women Yeah. you have no idea I mean, that's what we're accepting today. Yeah, in California. Yeah. of being right-wing And people criticized, You know, we're supposed to be in this together.

1:20:49 Well, you were talking about the encampments, the homeless encampments. Like, fuck the world. i'm sleeping on this oh man We just farm it off to AI. They're like those robot dogs that are just going to show up on Venice Beach and just gun one person down. That's an episode of Black Mirror, I bet. They got DARPA cheetahs and shit We're not far away from that, man.

1:23:02 and their money because AI will control all the money. but I always wonder, you know, like, are you using the same program? Are you using the older His ability to connect with a large segment of American population and inspire passionate That's a great answer. That employs a hell of a lot of people, particularly a hell of a lot of men in this country.

1:25:33 become redundant, there are no jobs, Instead of putting all the men in prison we just turn all of them into women I've realized I'm becoming more and more conspiratorial as I realized connected to all the dumb ones. and the Operation Northwoods thing They were going to do some wild shit But we've kind of pretended it wasn't. Yeah, the more they talk about it and not show me anything

1:28:53 Maybe it's, I mean, who knows what the fuck it is? not these things are ours or whether or not there's any crashed ufos Be careful. the success of that radio show that most people were aware that it was a radio Have you heard of the one about Hitler and Stalin? the communist idea was you can't make the shit work unless everybody gets it Imagine someone, like, that's your idea.

1:32:13 Always. Well, the best way, North America, right, is controlled by the United States, and it's safe because of it, right? So you can rationalize anything if you're in that position. I'm looking after my people. It's not that hard But do you think that is also what we're talking about earlier, a part of our operating system? That's what we are. That's what they do.

1:34:06 We're constantly obsessed with innovation. and when you combine that with this new emergence of AI and when you see what's possible with quantum computing You can't stop it. You can't stop it because there was this document trying to figure out who makes the nuclear bomb first. it doesn't end well for the weaker group. You can get answers to problems.

1:36:12 If you give it the ability to create, I mean, why isn't that engineerable? Trans person should be able to play in women's sports or whether or not climate change is so real we need to bury trees No. Yeah. I'm not an expert, Joe, but I can see how this could go wrong. was labeled as well oh yeah just chicken fat Project is developed and demonstrate an autonomous robot platform able to perform long range,

1:39:08 other organically based energy sources In addition to missions requiring long I mean. Win this war for America. I shouldn't even say sociopath if you want to make something that saves soldiers lives You know, that's the fundamental question here. And then it plays into what we were talking about earlier, Especially if you feel justified in doing so.

1:42:06 Don't even look at the optics of it. the losers the moment you lose that you're fucked yeah you're fucked yeah and that's what's spooky I've got some thoughts. after you watch Reefer Madness. It was essentially to break up the civil rights movement Make everything illegal and just start locking them up. It was a left government. religious experiences it might be the source of many many stories that people have had about

1:45:24 He was a guy who deciphered the Dead Sea Scrolls. Everybody fucking died. where they drank wine, where now they know for sure those wine vessels, they've now tested them Yeah, we crave it. cult and that there's a separation. cast out of the group. It's shades of gray. This is what you follow. We're dead in the savannah. I was like, oh, that completely makes sense yeah that completely makes sense it's why dying on your

1:49:15 I've seen some. I've been a part of some horrible bombings. You're not doing something like really special, like playing guitar that I can't do. everybody said that one zinger that one time yeah and everybody talks about it remember when you You watching? 99! me all about it. It's a fun place. He was saying Like, this is perfect. It's the perfect size. Like, everything, and there's two rooms. Like, oh, oh my god this is like this is it like this is this is perfect it's the

1:51:58 Everybody's having a good time. like people are so excited to just blow off steam. where the comedy is respected. And that is unique, man, because unfortunately with practically every The best way for the art form is a lot of open mics. There's like the Sunset Room that's right down the street from us. You know and it's like they see this path where you see guys like David Lucas and Hans Kim and William Montgomery have gone from

1:54:42 And you get to see, like Mike Vecchione was there there this weekend you get to see Andrew Schultz was here a people and create a space for other people to succeed that's awesome man that's so awesome Bill Hicks. And I think you're making an impact on the broader culture as well because other people see what's possible. If they really meant and so you have a minute when you have a minute

1:57:05 And they added a second show. I've never seen you know just in austin it really came to life though in austin it really got way more popular And Tony's the master. can think you have to be able to speak to think that's how we think right by saying things out They're just a thing when two people are disagreeing about ideas. do that, you still can. There's a lot of people that are just happy to jump into that echo kiddie pool and piss all over each other. They love it. But it's not good for

2:00:34 that they're going to say or do the wrong thing. he's wild because he's got 228 billion dollars like if he's not gonna be wild who the fuck is right that story made any sense. But the ability to know when you're wrong too and to be able to admit it, that's important going to spit it out there and then they're gonna start defending it They're gonna yell at you and call you a fucking simp and you know

2:02:59 It's an integral part of our society, whether you're on the right or the left. It's like not that much different other than they were pretty gangster because they didn't have YouTube to watch. That's fucking nuts. slap around the face. I was like, whoa, everybody it's a big deal recognized it and we got all this crazy uh comedy tourism people are flying here from all over the

2:05:11 just for this show. When we started doing live shows, And I think that that's a very valuable thing, whether you're on the right or the left. And if you disagree with me, I'd love to hear your point. And we need wild people. It's so cathartic. he's saying this stuff. Why is It's why we love sports. It's like half my friends. or i i'm or i'm willing to think in the way they think. I'll

2:09:20 different than the way I see things? And what do you know that I don't know? And And then you show a commercial for Pfizer. Yeah. like when Christopher Hitchens was alive, It's like that. And there's a lot of people now talking about how that idea hasn't really worked out in the sense of once you take away religion, once you take away people's – we talked about it earlier.

2:11:56 Do you remember Atheism Plus? It was like progressive ideology. of human existence we are born and we shall die but the idea of death to the vast majority of people and understandably so have had where they've legitimately changed as a human being. I don't think that they should be That's where there's laws that get put in place. that benefit from it?

2:14:52 Just don't make other people do it. and like i had did it like a mushroom ceremony in my house and um we did we did we did the mushroom He put the second hit up my nose. know what i mean and it kind of like you always had that negative side to you well you're going to experience death motherfucker Whether you want to believe that or not. Take it. people are so invested in conflict they're so invested in that and it made

2:18:50 a energy management problem it's a it's a it's a soul problem it's a direction problem it's like talk out of their ass and then they want to believe that the person who they timing with people the other side of the world what I mean is how do you think Yeah. see your wife again and see your children again and see your friends again and go to the places

2:21:41 And that's what's hard. It's one of the good ones. We used to. Right. There's no like, oh, but if i say this and i do this then maybe he might like me which means i can there's This is one of the things that I think is missing in our society is we don't appreciate what we have. No, only me. We're refreshed. Yeah, it sounds, What it, you know, but what does it mean to you?

2:24:08 you so many people haven't been given the tools to to be able to do that or the moments in life where you have to sort of cultivate that yeah yeah yeah it's easier for us man because Every day is a blessing, man. ever but you see it when you see like a couple and they're going for a day or whatever else They're kind of a part of this conversation. looking at things is flavored by all the people around me.

2:26:31 man, every conversation. It's a privilege to be, I mean, in your case, even more so you've got some two-dimensional pictures of people you know joe rogan is this mike tyson is this and then you entices because they're like what is this crazy shit yeah like what's going on that yeah and so if that if you were arguing about who was Francis Foster well our perspectives are going

2:29:07 that's what alright means so like try to do it with photos of us, I mean, particularly Like transformation in your mind, the way you think about things? Yeah, I mean, it really does. Maybe not for women. That person was wild. reason i did things that i'm not proud of but now i'm trying to be better and if you think about it and you can look at all of these, you know, the greats, like the Fraziers, the Arleys, you know, the Joe Louises, you know, all of these people.

2:32:09 the menacing image you know no one could take him down the ufc joe i am so gutted that we're not going to see Jon Jones versus Francis Ngannou. That's the big one. of all time. He's so good. knockout artist. That's undeniable. And he's skilled, isn't he? and he's got to be able to figure out how to do that. terrifying specimen. So the footwork and the movement is going to be different.

2:36:00 gypsy background and as someone who has taught gypsy kids they get taught how to box from the age of four to five it's part of their culture and their other part i remember when he got uh he He didn't just get up. And somehow or another he survives it. You see guys get hit, and they're like, the question is fight, you ever see that fight? No. He hits

2:38:06 Luis Ortiz is a phenomenal boxer. He's very tall and long, but it's just the torque and the fucking speed and power behind his shots. Boom. I know. I mean, I typed in KO, and those were the two fights Boom. In the second fight, he just put his lights out. and you look at Tyson Fury move, like, wow, like wow that's an uphill battle yeah but what is the

2:40:56 But Jon Jones, man, I would so love to see that fight, particularly when we saw what happened with Cyril Garn. This is the Louis Ortiz fight. Oh, my God. Yeah, I just backed up too far. Oh, my. You know, we really don't know until he boxes. He's a scary guy, though, man. He looked like he was chiseled out of granite. Patient, calculated, technical, you know, and the knockout punch that he hit Stipe with.

2:43:25 But, you know, can he deliver that power? It's crazy. where they make an extraordinary amount of money doing something like that. Also, it's the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time with zero professional boxing fights. I mean, the most defensively sound boxer in the history of the sport. He's the man. him over to Japan you know when he had that fight over there with the this

2:46:10 Are you happy it's happening though? is because he ain't that likable as an individual. he was pretty boy floyd it's a different mayweather you know he's pretty boy floyd and then he became Whenever there's a cocky champion, Why do you say that, Joe? He's really good. Tom Aspinall has a real shot. I was very upset that he was leaving the UFC Yeah, so Tyson Fury's so wild.

2:49:24 100%, man. That's also a fight that I really, you know, it's his prerogative. He's the fucking game 100% man whoa to me I'm like Against a legend. It's just like, that guy's the man, you know? do you know what would be and boxing is really bad for this and this part is what may maybe fall To me, that was one of the biggest disappointments in sport.

2:51:54 like no fighting for a year. won them And he's coming in as well, right, as he gets hit. And Manny just went out cold with one shot. And did he listen to Freddie Roach? Did he take a year? Yes, he did. Yes, my God. I mean, that is literally the perfect punch. And, man, he just went out cold with one shot. A knockout like that is so bad. That's one like that.

2:53:49 champion he fought haggler and he told my dad he goes you you have never when he when he hit me So you're looking at two different looks, like the jab coming from the right hand, the head and he went down and his gloves touched the ground they called it a knockout a knockdown few fights haven't gone that well well it was really started out with him hurting his knee

2:56:07 Oh, who knows, man. Whether he's got enough to beat a guy like that, that's what makes it exciting Well, Fazeev, that what happened against Gamera was so disappointing. Kamaru Usman knockout in Salt Lake City. right afterwards. It was bananas. fight than the first fight. Also, his This is the first round of this fight? Snap, bop, bop. How much does that change things?

2:59:07 that you have to overcome like when people fought khabib they weren't just fighting the champion guy who's like the most feared warrior in your division. That's a big one. He just drains you. Yeah. Like, damn, he's on it right now. and I think he said something like he kind of, I love it. Yeah. it's so awesome yeah yeah i wonder you know what this means for our society, you know, like the fact that these two things are happening at the same time, that there is this blowback where people do still want to watch wild, crazy things.

3:03:39 of a response, right? Saying to men, be responsible, take accountability, go and create Because when you make certain arguments beyond the pale and those arguments have merit and value, And it is true. What is going to prevail? trying to push like that is fucking scary well I think the thing the thing you hit the nail on the head Francis earlier when you were

3:06:01 Yeah, and then they weaponize it against you. that words are violence they can change direction in air and you can't track them I mean, that's totally believable. They'll shut down the infrastructure of the country. How would the country work if there's I know in California you can't. We're so dependent on this technology like think if you went trying time traveling right and you went back a thousand years and people go to you what's going on and you'd be

3:09:35 Yeah. Yeah. This is entirely normal and they're good things to have, right? Otherwise, where are you buying it from? Lithium too. And then if you do, you are now a climate denier. How did you sneak that in? What percentage are we above what we used to be? and the ones that we outsource abroad that's two percent of global carbon emissions you just fucked our country to make no difference whatsoever to the

3:13:13 In fact, there was some talk of a giant skyscraper that acted as an air filter. They were going to build these essentially skyscrapers that were really just giant air filters. So what if they just had those on every block or had those every X amount of blocks where they figured out a way to clean the air? So if they could just reduce air pollution by 20%, for example, we could save tens of

3:14:55 stuff and producing stuff and burning stuff well i don't think the people have a say over there in in addition to investments for green made the pledge to reach net zero by 2060, or just theoretical where they can figure out a way We also be looking at what the fuck we're doing in the ocean. Yeah, we're killing the ocean And that patch of garbage is bigger than that.

3:17:08 You know, so they see the way the tribe moves. it's safe it's uh i always make this joke it's not well you say that but actually if you look Yeah, like that place is fucked like when when they do go south they go bad He goes, I just don't want to take a chance. No, I mean your fair point about you can't live in that area for a very, very, very, very long time.

3:19:11 And then you know you have this reactor that you can't shut down and it's just chaos you know in comic books radiation always leads to awesome things that's how you become spider-man it's all like someone becomes a superhero. just way smarter than us just to go you are a bunch of incompetent chimps shut up and i will We love a UFO. There's been sightings.

3:22:20 There you mean the government? The government, yeah. Some black ops program, some special top secret shit But if there's one thing I can know from the Britishish government it's just that they can never cover anything up That was your job. know part of me is like show me something show me something like I don't weird is they're always in these areas where the military operates like off the coast of the east

3:25:10 species if they reached here they would be so technologically advanced they could Maybe there's less collisions, so they're allowed to reach this technological level of sophistication that's evolving over millions of years. Maybe that's part of the – for real. Yeah, but can we operate as a as a as a species without those I would argue that we can't this one at this point

3:27:17 Yeah. It's kind of unprecedented since the the emergence of the internet. There's been never been anything like this And, you know, I don't know where it goes. I think part of it is we've got to fix the outrage machine that we've got, of that. And I think we have to find a way to change the incentive world. But I'm going to be honest with you, mate.

3:29:22 Right. Nope, nope. There's a lot of witch hunting. I don't know. I'm going to write some beloved children's books. We really are. like now that our show has become bigger and people recognize us i get a lot of especially gay people feel about this whole movement that in some ways it's kind of homophobic because it's It's just a way of people showing distress about what it's like to be a young woman.

3:32:40 There's social credit to being, you know, So a lot of his friends die. held her up to the crowd and went, this is my daughter. is like people's love for their children is such a powerful force encouraging them to do that at pre pre-teen yeah you know it's it's crazy and it's something that we've always known What is good? They are ruining their bodies permanently.

3:35:43 Yeah, because they've somehow got internalized transphobia now and it's i just i really hope that we just wake up from Well, I hope people wake up here too. people that might just be a feminine man that might be gay and you're turning them into a woman youtube you get you guys get dinged on youtube at all um i don't think we do at the moment no we get you know occasional episode demonetized but we're