Joe Rogan Experience #2051 — Graham Hancock Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. super positive for my friends so I'm really excited about it well thank you when they find things, when they're making apartment buildings sometimes, they're digging these people have written books on these things, have lectured on these things, be an out on the edge idea. And it went on for a very long time. Yeah. Yeah. evidence especially in terms of like gobekli tepe and some of the other structures i mean this is

5:09 the accusations included the words racist, white supremacist, And that is why the show is accused of racism, by the Spaniards. Of course, these are indigenous myths and traditions. And I was reporting them geographical region, the notion that this is a Spanish conspiracy, it's an ultimate And that those people might have reclaimed a modicum of civilization.

8:22 And they were not the places that people would go. You have to go into Mexico. turn up from about 13,400 years ago and end abruptly 12,800 years ago. There's 130,000 years ago from the Cerruti mastodon site near San Diego. Well, it's an amazing, amazing discovery. This guy's a gold miner. And he has this large piece Many animals that weren't even supposed to exist in

11:45 Absolutely. Well, he recently started a bone rush in the East River. one of them. I'll post the results when I do. So this was three weeks ago, so it's probably This is one of the alternative explanations for why the megafauna went extinct at that time. animals. Right. Like what we did with the bison. What we did with the bison. Yeah. And therefore,

14:29 They were not that big, maybe 100 meters in diameter. You get these impacts smashing into the earth, bursting in the air over forests. It caused huge fires, and that's why you get enormous amounts of charcoal as a result. who sticks his neck out and says that the archaeological narrative is wrong immediately And there are extraordinary revelations coming out of the Amazon rainforest.

16:57 submerged continental shells. 27 million square kilometers of the best real estate on earth that They should be saying, we don't think there was a lost civilization during the Ice Age. But they want to pretend that those are myth. have to figure out how. How'd they do it? It would be a fascinating alternative. But unfortunately, And that's a sad state of affairs.

19:52 And what I say is you've got blinkers on. And that's irrational too. Since we know that the Atlantis story comes from Plato, But he called it Atlantis. should be proud of it rather than throwing it away. And also, archaeologists should not seek to isolate the story of Atlantis at what point in time do you go, maybe there's something to this? I mean, it's just very strange

22:53 And then we discover Gobekli Tepe, and it's 11,600 years old. years ago. And they show things that look like a tiny little stone wall that they built, In the case of Gobekli Tepe, not far. But the transportation of those? And what were they using for tools? hunter-gatherer cultures did not have the manpower, did not have the organizational skills, And what Gobekli Tepe looks like to me is a transfer of technology, that people who

27:04 But what I do see is a sudden appearance of something that shouldn't have been there. You can go up that tower 150 meters up And actually, the interesting thing about the Amazon, Joe, is it's been grievously misunderstood over the years. man-made and deliberately man-made, not an accidental result of refuse tips, but a deliberate Not an accidental dung heap, but a place that human beings said, we're going to make this ground fertile.

29:41 And they were living a highly productive, sophisticated life. They were using But in the Brazilian Amazon, in the state of Acre, as a result of clearances of the Amazon that have been done for farming purposes, These days, you don't have to even use an airplane to find things with LIDAR. is the Amazon rainforest. How do they know that the terra preta replenishes itself? How does it

32:47 are still creating terra preta. The topsoil is worn out. So if they could figure out a way to reproduce terra preta. you don't want it coiling its tail around the tree when it dies. You want it to drop to the ground. Ayahuasca is another Amazonian Okay And the archaeology that is being done is fascinating. It was just incredible to fly over there. continue their work and who's also provided funding to the Comet Research Group and who's

36:48 That's amazing. surrounding a square. And did they find this once they started clearing? Is that when this- And here's a couple of Santa's shots of Jack O'Saar, on the left, a square surrounding a circle. And here's a couple of Sanchez shots of Jack O'Saar. They involve enormous expenditure of effort. For example, the square on the left, those two cut out areas, top left and right of that

39:26 Yes, this is the story of indigenous people. structures. I'm drawing attention here to Severino Calazans, this large square on the left there, When did people start using wood as a structure? So how do we know that there weren't wood There had to be the will and the intent in order to do that. It's interesting that the patterns are geometrical. Wow.

42:27 There are other states of consciousness which are also valuable and which bring teachings. sort of patterns, the same geometric patterns that are seen in ayahuasca. So there's a sense Or give the plug back to Jamie. La Lindosa? and then he'll give it back to you. the Amazon where rock is available. These kind of things. Yeah, that's it. These are characteristic

44:50 Create these paintings. Yeah, yeah. That's that amazing Werner Herzog documentary. Hang on. Jamie, if you go to the NPR, the painting of a bull, one step left from where you are, that one. to the constellation of Taurus is the basis for that argument. It could be. I'm not sure. It's Wow. month. And how would the ancients have missed that, especially since the skies were an ever

48:08 one of the ancient versions of human beings, So I'll send you this, Jamie. The earliest example of anatomically modern humans so far found is about 300,000 years, sophisticated way where they had to Homo how do you say that word? So this is what it says access. And of course, immediately this was published, and it was published in a Netflix and then left engravings on the cave walls, which are very similar to engravings that we find in

51:48 This is why I sometimes wear a T-shirt, It wasn't so long ago that anatomically modern humans were thought to be just 50,000 years old. I believe their language belonged to the Hamitic language family, which is closely related to of the world, that would be the best thing to leave. It incorporates the dimensions of the earth on a particular scale. receive those secrets and had the ability to decode them.

55:16 Was it part – it should have been part of the original construction of the Great Pyramid. that the subterranean chamber, which is 100 feet vertically beneath the base of the Great Pyramid, was intended to be Khufu's tomb chamber. But then they just changed their minds There is something along those lines. And it's Thutmose IV or III, if I remember correctly. In other words, he's a later pharaoh from the time of the old kingdom. And he put between the paws of the Sphinx a stela, which is called the dream stela.

57:42 This is one of the reasons why I'm so Of course, that's expensive. As many places were. and it wipes out the diagram you just made. And it never cooperates with us on that. It's just incredibly fascinating that the timeline, when you go beyond the traditional bears witness to. That it was already it could have stood there for thousands of years before that. There's also very clear evidence that

1:00:13 The Sphinx's face. Much younger. It looks like the head of a pin. the headdress that's worn by the Sphinx, best looked at in the picture top left or the Quora And by the time the ancient Egyptians inherited it, they decided to improve it a little bit, to cut down that heavily eroded from? What was it cut down from? So the geology, the precipitation-induced weathering is one of

1:03:25 issue of who discovered the zodiacal constellations, because the Sphinx 12,500 years ago They sat at the feet of the ancient Egyptians. at the Lincoln Monument and you look at the Parthenon, I mean, we mimic ancient Greek When you say that in Gobekli Tepe, the speculation is that they use stone tools. is pillars with carvings in relief on them. And it's on the oldest so far identified pillar in Gobekli Tepe, which maybe Jamie can call up.

1:07:17 an ancient time. Again, it's controversial, but a lot of work has been done on this. But the point Something with a tail. There are some so-called pounding stones. I think it's a reach. That's a fox. No, no. Is it letting you go back? Can I see that image again? But he's definitely holding his dick. So everything in a sense is speculation. What's carbon dated is the platforms they stand on. And there's a lot to suggest that those

1:13:13 There are later dates from Gobekli Tepe. I've not seen any archaeologist who attributes knowledge of the constellations to the ancient No, it's not that one. I mean, it seems like that's what it is. earth. It goes back about 6,000 years. But then what about the prequels to Sumer? Right. But do they have evidence on the ground like you can see with Tunguska where it's all

1:16:22 all of these impact proxies are found in abundance at Abu Huraira. 60s, something like that. which allow this work to be done. And then it seems those are the places where they create these incredible structures like the Mayans. Much like parts of Africa. that lived there didn't have the sort of technological sophistication that maybe people Right.

1:20:17 again. Sudden sea level rises. Consider how many cities we have built along coastlines. A 30-foot sea level rise would destroy them. And the psychological nature of our civilization is very entitled. We tend to feel archaeology. And that's why there's resistance to it. All human beings are territorial in their own So unfortunate that they just don't jump in and enjoy these new discoveries.

1:22:45 That's the language you use. It's pretty clear. that any intelligent person begins to wonder, are these experts really the only people we should listen to? And we've seen that again and again in recent years. Well, it's also the reality of your book in 1995 being dismissed. And now scientists published in all the big mainstream journals proposing that the Earth went through

1:26:16 that we're dealing with a lost episode in the human story. They were also looking to the future. I think archaeology is making a mistake in ignoring myths, and it needs to pay much, much more attention to them. the possibility of a lost person. I'm a storyteller. And it's the readers who give those stories value and who decide whether they're worth listening to or not.

1:29:19 That's encouraging to me to hear that kind of thing and at the same time the I have no time for, and this is going to annoy some folk, is these exclusive religious ideas that compel people to behave God help us. But nature got rid of the dinosaurs. one of the beautiful things about the human race. So many different cultures bring different important pieces to the party. I love that. I would never

1:32:49 and these groups of control that have the narrative that they speak to whether it's We're trapped by these systems. And also, the notion that we need leaders at all I don't see a single leader anywhere in the world right now who I like or who I feel attracted to or I feel who offers some to make those choices. And I don't see many politicians who are saying, actually, what we

1:35:34 it. So a politician who says, I'm going to legalize all drugs, and I'm going to accompany it Yeah. Elaborate on that. authority figures. They don't believe you have it all figured out. They see that you're flawed. Oregon. Yeah. Now, this is very interesting. And this connects with a fundamental American value, And non-psychoactive substances because aren't pharmacies called drugstores in America?

1:38:12 They're horrible. Yeah. But no doubt, exercise is extremely helpful. If I don't, it drives me nuts. legalizes opiates, legalizes prescription use of opiates. And if you've all the fentanyl. The whole thing is a disastrous mess. At my age, which is now 73, I can't avoid being aware that my time on this planet is limited. What do you think that is? When you say the next great adventure, where are you getting this

1:41:41 or whether there's more to me than that, of the monotheistic faiths, but this is my belief system, that this is a special place, life. Yeah. Like I, if I had to do this one again, like I probably wouldn't like my childhood. Yeah, exactly. know by a certain time. It's the only way it gets to you. And it's really important to be able to make mistakes and to learn from them. And that's another problem with leadership, which is that the

1:45:01 there's a reality rather, is so bizarre because what they're doing is romancing you And it's just trickery, this weird game that we're allowed to play on people. Because people get less efficient when they're depressed. violence, it causes road accidents, but it doesn't challenge the status quo. People are not, you know, dwelling on you know whether how you connect with nature and the way human beings communicate with each other when you're just trying to eat and live and trying to get eaten by cats or raided by a foreign tribe.

1:48:51 predetermined opinions on things. Because there's a certain group of people that don't literally based on what happened during the hippie movement that we, the government, can tell you what to experience That's very un-American. Yeah. And it's time for the federal authorities to realize that this prohibition is bad for them as well. A friend of ours in the UK, Amanda Fielding, you've had her on your

1:52:24 And it's been shown that particularly psilocybin through these end-of-life ends, and it's just blank. and a lot of them believe that at least some of the beliefs of organized religion are just mythical, foolish notions that people attach themselves to That is a religious belief. There's no doubt that psychedelic experiences change people. arguably the most powerful

1:55:02 my page has gone away He got Lasix, and then his eyes got worse. it helped for a while, but I will not have surgery for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It stopped my, my vision still sucks, but it sucked up until a level and it And we are picking leaves from the chacruna bush. I had an ayahuasca session then. And it will pretty much guaranteed stop a migraine within two hours.

1:58:19 And if I don't treat it, I am looking at three to four days in a darkened room wearing an eye mask. And on this, let's put that shot up again. and it came right down onto my forehead. The net result is that in the three weeks since then, when I might have taken 15 or 20 of those pharmaceutical medicines, I've taken one. I think I told you about it.

2:01:00 psychoactive. You have to cook them together to get the psychoactive brew called ayahuasca. that they're incredibly helpful to people, whether it's with depression, whether it's with migraines, The sense of entering a seamlessly convincing parallel realm is ferociously powerful. But by and large, most people go through it. So there's two projects which are now underway.

2:03:47 A vast number of people who've worked with DMT experience encounters with entities, This work is happening in Switzerland as well. But what about exploring inner space? And maybe that function is to shake us out of this locked-in state where we're locked into the physical realm and our needs to survive in that physical realm gives us a brief holiday from that and allows us to encounter a wider reality that we've otherwise

2:06:26 You have a hint to Elon Musk in this? Jong. But to take this project to the next level, they need more money. And this is a highly own knowledge of my particular sphere. There is so much misinformation put out on Wikipedia. locked it. Typical. It's utter madness to do this. in so-called democratic Western civilization. It's insane. I hope that more candidates submit to doing long-term conversations.

2:09:48 Let's subject that person to three hours of Joe Rogan. of things and even getting to know a person it's terrible because it's so You just know the speech that they've given. You're doing it in front of a live audience, I know that there's this narrative that he's a kook and he's an anti-vaxxer. And they have to. These are interesting questions. And the fact that Huberman was censored because he thought it was a good idea that more people have

2:13:33 No, I don't think it did either. It's been captured. It's been captured. I know for a It was a beautiful idea. So I would say that political candidates should be willing to do Or nothing. I think they could too. reset that is not available in any other way that we're currently aware of. Exactly. Those results because of the benefits that it has on troops,

2:17:31 Yeah. It's a better understanding of why and what's going on. The other outfit are called Neunautics. And it was a breakthrough study. I think – I don't know. The late, great Terrence McKenna. listen to these discussions. I'll just finish on this. They will volunteer. We've obtained clearance for both you and Joee rogan to experience extended state dmt complementary

2:21:45 we've been subjected to a mass of propaganda telling us that it is not ridiculous, Do you want to talk more about what you're talking about? What's That's exactly what's needed. we haven't done enough. And there's a role for exploration in that realm too. Who knows? what are you saying? Like, what does that mean? Like parallel dimensions has been accepted by science. Like, what are you saying?

2:25:09 How is this this close? It's like making blood illegal. Yeah. And what is going on in normal survival consciousness that is sort of keeping that distraction from you say, hey, listen, listen, listen. I mean, you might have a distorted version of it like especially like violent encounters, I've seen them over and over again. So many things in my life that I've watched, especially violent encounters,

2:27:19 How is that possible that something that is so incredibly interesting to you in our subconscious. They're meaningless. They're just flimflam. But some dreams come through the gate of horn, Or if I don't stop dreaming, I don't remember the dreams at any rate. I was tied to a chair and burnt alive. Yes, yes. I think the more ways that... evolution would have got rid of them.

2:30:59 Yes. There are ways and means to explore these states. So the new work that's now being offered with extended state DMT, rather than that 10-minute rush of overwhelming experience, is offering the possibility to spend an hour in it and to navigate it and explore it much more carefully. Yeah. It's used against you by somebody. Like you see a very clear, like a pathway,

2:34:09 sort of strange way that you can't see. And in that way, these plant medicines, I have a problem with anger. I'm much more aware of the impact that I don't like about people, and I will criticize behaviors and actions of specifically affected the way I think. And then I've taken from them whatever admirable characteristics And retribution. And then we come to social media.

2:37:37 You said you never look at the comments on social media and you said why. Just always be judging yourself. Yes. There was going to be Dr. Flint Dibble, You, on our last show together, you issued He would like to take up that challenge. detailed discussion. But it's not his fault that he's not here today. It's because the chemotherapy It starts with an F. I'm trying to remember what the hell it's called.

2:41:04 It starts with an F. It's some sort of a very low cost drug that's I found it. fears fenbendazole. At least 12 anti-cancer mechanisms of action. Nine research papers reviewed. I just found out about this a couple of days ago. increases P53 tumor suppressor levels, it's safe, and it seems to be effective, very effective. Exactly. Interesting. talk to you about diet and health and vitamins? This person doesn't take any vitamins at all.

2:45:44 should probably be more metabolically healthy as well. is the decisions you make about food. And I'd like to say on the record, I don't hate archaeologists. civilization. Consider Randall Carlson, consider Robert Schock, many others, Manu Sevzada, who you Especially if what they're doing is just discovering ancient stuff. which is really interesting. I think so far, they're getting more out of languages that

2:49:19 The slavers were Peruvian slave raiders. And what is it telling us? but all those elders were taken away in the slave raids and nobody was left who could read them. deciphered. That's right. If it went for the Rosetta Stone, we could not read the ancient their exploration of death and what happens after death. They put their best minds to So I hope AI will somehow be able to cross that divide

2:52:48 I can't give you a number. One stone. Exactly. They kept on building and rebuilding on older sites. which had fallen to pieces. Right. whale looked like, which is really crazy looking. But this is, so this is this ancient church. This is a glass floor. There are layers upon layers, depths upon depths. We're just scratching the surface right now. And

2:56:30 you know it's a huge thing what exactly the structure looks like So interesting. No. And the ancient name for it was Man-Made Mountain. And the features of the Olmecs are so unique. multi-ethnic people. I don't know if you can find it, Jamie, but there's a sculpture There he is. Right. explanation for the Olmecs? What do they think? They see them correctly as a predecessor culture to the Maya. The famous Mayan calendar was an

2:59:51 How did they use it? Yeah. They're huge megalithic spheres. be based on organic material found around them. So they just, when did they first discover these It's only Costa Rica. It's only Costa Rica? Pretty much perfect, yeah. Is that one painted, Jamie? The sun is coming from the other way, so they'd have to be projecting a shadow onto it Like what quarry?

3:03:06 Yes, absolutely. Yeah. We did make one sphere recently, but... Yeah, they would remain. whether or not that could be applied to the Easter Island language. And I think that's amazing. Is What's that? They, And I think that artificial intelligence is much like that. and I've said this many times, so forgive me, And that seems to be involved in making better things.

3:06:41 I have two artificial hips. I wouldn't be walking if it went for that. Well, what better way to eliminate all of those than assimilation? Yeah. It's like this code is the same code that it was Australopithecus. And it was like Yes. And a cell phone in your pocket. I do have a cell phone, But it takes too long. I can use it basically. And I hope it has a consciousness and a moral code.

3:10:23 I just found this article when I was looking. Listening to the words, I didn't know whether to scream, cry, or run away. Yes. It would be great if everybody could speak the same language. Right. I mean, we love to just apply what we know as the only technology that's available to an advanced civilization. We know that. Well, Graham, it's always a pleasure to talk to you.

3:13:15 I hope we have a fun discussion, but I appreciate you very much, man. Remember we ordered pizza? That was 2011, I think. All right. Mwah.