Joe Rogan Experience #2062 — Will & Jenni Harris Transcript

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0:00 Welcome back Will, how are you sir? And you guys are the first people to ever bring dirt to the studio, so I want to thank and it's filled with twigs and all sorts of biological material. And there's no difference other than the way they've been managed over the last 20 years. There's a video of that. We can look at it. Well, if it was a construction site, it would have to be under what they call SWIT.

3:30 Well, I guess it would be a nearly unlimited amount of solution because nobody checks it. Wow. There's like a whole town, Apalachicola, How come no one's filed a lawsuit? And if you had a runoff from a tire manufacturing company, So it seems like it would be a very, very complex litigation to me. happening every day, day by day, just constantly dumping toxic chemicals into the water. Okay. So I think, you know, I'm certainly not answering for that whole kind of politically

7:47 changed your farm from an industrial farm to a regenerative farm and that it took a pro it was It's certainly a more resilient system. And if there was legal or at least some sort of financial repercussions manufacturing these products and they're handling these huge quantities of agricultural production if you've been a good boy, you can retire and get a job making twice

10:31 And you think about, wow, the person who, you know, cultivates the land, plants the seed, harvests the crops, you know, they get 14 cents of every dollar. but we still don't have much money. so that we can keep that whole dollar. it's beginning to correct that. That results because only 14 cents stays there. Where's that meat coming from? A lot of it comes from Australia and New Zealand and Uruguay.

13:21 So 25 years ago when Dad decided to change the way we farmed, he knew that in order to put all the cost that it was going to take to raise animals differently,. And, you know, that worked out really well. Well, that's true, but it's not the worst part. No, you go. Croatia. But honestly, that's so dirty. That's what it was initially. And some of the methods are spraying chemicals in the sky.

17:15 Should we really have to do that? It's so crazy that we're doing it this way. When you get money involved in stuff like that and decisions that affect everybody, You look in the back of your shirt and it's a product of not America. There is one part of their boots that they have not been able to source in America, They make fantastic handmade boots.

19:35 beef from Australia is bad. A company And it came out that they were importing some beef. They only advertise three people as being suppliers, and we're one of them. Because then they can attach your name to it. It's just you're lying. I mean, there had to be a lot of soul-searching involved in that kind of a decision, because it's not an easy one, and it probably cost a lot of money, and it was probably quite

21:57 My dad had been a very industrial producer using all the tools. thought I didn't want to do it anymore. And I did not do a good job planning an alternative But from day one, I made less money until I lost money. I enjoy the way you talk, but you have a way of talking But it's been filled by meats and other poultry and a red barn and a white fence and you know it would say free range

25:31 How could you expect for them to pay 50% more, 75% or 100% more And that should be more clearly defined. just been eating feed It's so much better for you, so much more nutrient dense, Right now we talk about regenerative. I mean, how much beef do they use in a day? and not borne by the producer or the company buying it like what give a great zone in the

29:01 But even the experts tell us there's a finite life left in that degraded soil. The beautiful soil is over five percent organic model. strategy, but long-term, not what you want to do. That's a great way to put it. I love it. Have you guys heard about this? This is the terra preta. This is the stuff that exists. So on the left, you see the actual soil,

32:23 And it seems like that should be something that someone should invest in. Yeah. subsoil below that guy's hand, which is like the degraded soil, And we don't have hundreds of thousands of head, When they made it, it wasn't seawater. But what happened was not so much it had too much sodium or too much whatever. The actual living microbes that they couldn't put back in there because they weren't there

35:03 Probably like a fish tank but not even And it's just a matter of time before it reaches the town. They can do something about it. Consumers making the choice, this is what I'm going to support. Correct. to who's educating them right i mean if if they go to the doctor there's a pill you know i mean You think about what you hear from the media. somebody can make some money fixing. I agree with you. Yeah. And that's unfortunate that this whole

40:23 Yeah. versus the other one. about how to fix the problem than we acknowledge but it's just going to be so expensive especially That's where they get their calories from. Yeah, that is what we do. you know, all those things. I see how that works. You know, the very idea that these lifestyles Very profitable. I was a successful commercial cattleman in terms of profitability,

44:51 any of it. whole earth last like I thought about started the You know, the munitions manufacturing became fertilizer manufacturing. You probably won't be here in 80 years. It's going to get worse. One Farm, Six Generations in the Future of Food. we had talked about him writing a book because, you know, dad started a business and a mission that is going to last a lot longer than

49:43 I'm not the only one that knows it, to do. And I give so much I know down well it is. There are others. It's just not a lot of that. So there's 25,000 factory farms. Factory farms continue to take over the agricultural landscape of the United States. Wow. Beef. I'm just trying to find a cleaner one. centralized food we talk about food security do we really want a global food supply? And the answer is yes or no. But with regards to fragility in food, think about COVID

55:17 Right, right, right. We dropped the chill time. 47 million chickens per week. It's just we took the livestock off of the land. Is that what they're doing right here? Yeah, and there's a difference between a cow or pig or chicken defecating here and there and there. That's what he does. was produced produced by Tyson but consumers have no idea that it was a

59:05 Yeah. but it's kind of extraordinary that you can just pull into somewhere If you look at people that are poor that rely upon this kind of food all the time, those are the people that have the worst health outcomes. But, you know, these companies, as bad as this is, Okay. Wow. Kind of crazy, but also disturbing if you eat that. dog oh look at all the nutrients look at all the stuff but then I was thinking like how is it just

1:02:13 No, just sitting there. That's insane. 79 cents. because of that and increasing his exercise. And he still just, it just did. And then I was thinking, And it's frozen and it's cut up into cubes and it's just basically raw meat and some vegetables and some blueberries and stuff like that. And it's changed everything, changed his coat, you know, you hate your puppy because it chews up all your stuff, your, you know, your seat,

1:05:27 Yeah, it's natural behavior. It's also changed the way human beings' jaws are. I think it's called masticating gum. I know. And I do reps with my jaw. I'm very proud of my jaws. That's disgusting. it from chewing. A lot of people are And you say, well, how did you cook it? because of all the marbling, I'm like, that thing's dying. is a dark red and that's what you're supposed to eat that's nutrient dense it's better for you

1:09:46 Then I sear the outside of it to give it a nice crust. And a feedlot animal wouldn't live much over two. And I've always wanted to take a feedlot animal and give it a presidential pardon and say, No. dying of all the diseases That's really what they like when they look for a lot of marbling. have to use to treat these cows and the unintended consequences those have on the consumer.

1:12:37 You know, a cow, a practice termed sub-therapeutic antibiotic treatment, and used since 1946 in livestock. I mean, it's such a giant issue when people get surgery or if they get cuts. Scary, scary stuff. We're playing around with nature itself and we're playing around with Is this something y'all want to do? And he abstains from the vote. And, you know, my sister,

1:16:00 Right, right, right, right. But people think about salmon as being one of the healthiest things. in order to make it that color, which is great because if you get a wild salmon, It's pretty wild. It's just as simple as that. Because it's disturbing. but wild salmon is a much better choice than any Atlantic salmon. And he shows how this tissue is essentially just weak and soft.

1:18:59 You fight nature. But most people aren't even aware of it at all. I don't believe you can find one anywhere. Similar to what she was talking about with medical interventions. problem that requires another expensive technical tool and another and another and another and Hogs were meant to root and wallow. This is great. But then in a very short amount of time, there were 80 something.

1:23:38 so they're working their butts off from sundown to sunrise. And I told you that we were at odds with the government about a payment. And we spent a lot of money, but we collected our payment since I saw you last. predation I like seeing those bald eagles I just don't want to see 80. Dad calls it nature's tithe. So it was like, if I want to be at the top of the food chain,

1:26:22 Surplus killing. They dropped the population in Yellowstone significantly, which is where they initially Nature ain't kind and nature ain't cruel. and a goat got her head stuck this is terrible i can't believe i'm saying the pigs ate the kid Pigs will eat everything, anything and everything. Pigs are one of the strangest animals because when you release them into the wild within a month or so, they start to metamorphosize.

1:29:14 But yes, we've had that. You know, we have wild dogs. Yeah, they change their actual physical features. nose and big tusks and it's a big sucker that's what we do so you know guys in austin go and sip There's a black hog that's got a white band across his shoulders. Yeah. Yeah, it's delicious. Yeah, you just got to make sure that it's the right temperature.

1:32:31 Look at all those cows. They're coming out of a big pasture to go into a big pasture. They know exactly where they're going. Oh, wow. That is wild. Jamie can Google it. industrialized pig farms where they're all Look how many of them there are. two systems that are the same. It's a totally different deal. Yes. Less than two years. Have a lot of people reached out to you

1:36:37 That's the word. But it's not going to be a college. But for the vast majority of people that are getting their food, this is not going to be an option with what's currently required to feed 300-plus million people. how to make that available for everyone and how to encourage people to do that. If someone starts saying, hey, what you're doing to these animals is having a direct effect on human beings that consume them,

1:39:15 And they're going to try to force people to eat plant-based meat, which has really been interesting to me because that's one of the instances where people have voted with their dollar. What's it going to do to me? Some people are buying it, but it's just a very, And what are the health consequences of that? that are industrially producing meat. And, you know, these things cause inflammation.

1:42:04 in canola oil and peanut oil You know, so most of the stuff that we have that's waste, we can compost. Better for food. that they're originally industrial lubricants that weren't designed for human consumption. and then you put it in your body, and it causes a host of problems. Right. How about go back? And they spent a fortune. To's tallow. Tallow, yeah. Beef fat, yeah. Beef fat, yeah. And they're so good. Yeah. And they spent a fortune.

1:44:57 It's good. small number of scientists that were bribed what is essentially the equivalent of Who's writing the check? It's sick. But they compete with some of the things that are paying them off. People are waking up. Shocking. Just to tell that story a little deeper, you know, Dad always said if a bad herdsman has a calf go down, And then if the farmer still does not pick up that dead carcass, they'll chew on the hide. And, you know, there's a lot that goes into like the hair

1:48:57 and the heart from the elk Take it like a capsule. Well, you know, it's interesting because the Comanches used to eat that has the best benefits, it's best for you. They drink blood mixed with milk. that he ate i believe it was in iceland and he said it's a delicacy to them and they treasure The first time I ever had a taste of whiskey, I was like, what?

1:50:53 Now I really like an old scotch. And why? But that's neither here nor there. she just can't eat it fast, and she plunges She died like three years ago and I'm still not over it. like we, I don't know what it is. I don't, I guess, well, I think specifically in the case of, like, really unnutritious food that you can buy, junk food, Oh, my God. I know it's terrible for you.

1:53:32 yeah it's a different thing yeah but you're not going to see white oak pastures doritos no That's the concern, whether wild meat is gamey. Yeah, a lot of cultural stuff. Yeah, I saw I made it backwards you know, they've changed the way wheat is grown Well, again, You don't have to live that way. And you're not supposed to. It's not good for you. It's not good for the world.

1:57:03 Thank you, Jamie. I think people would be stuck without a solution The quality of our life has increased so dramatically. I mean, everybody's boat floats on that rising tide, Why is it harder? Yeah, and product of the USA, what you highlighted earlier. Yeah. And the evidence here is I've got – Jenny's here with me, but I need to mention, I've got another daughter,

2:01:23 It's called A Bold Return to Giving a Damn. And then so the meat went, obviously, to be sold as grass-fed beef. That's awesome.