Joe Rogan Experience #2063 — The Rock Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience We did the whole experience. And I love what you're doing down here, by the way, with the boys. But we're doing it now. Today was a pretty hard day for them. And then I started adding the bag at the end. But I like working out with those guys. They were there. They know they want to get in shape, but they don't know how. they walk out here, they feel so good.

2:40 but they hung in there and everybody walked out with a big smile on their face we all had a great and going to the same gym every day or different cities. to being alone with your thoughts. It was fun. And Shane, it was great. morning. Do you train in the mornings? Always. Yeah. Always in the morning. But sometimes I do and just fucking let's go. Get in there.

5:04 I get them in the cold plunge after the sauna because it's easier because your body temperature You did too. You get in and I heard you coaching the boys. I got to get the fuck out of here. Any kind of shit that's going down. in your body. longer one. Yeah, you need a bigger one. You barely So you get it down. whole three minutes just white knuckling it so it's harder how often are you doing the raging

7:50 Yeah, yeah. It was good. So tomorrow I'll get them in here. And I just try to give them some stuff. get to 100 and if you have to do 10 sets of 10 that's pretty easy to do 10 and not hard you know And it's great warmup, 15 minutes, and you're sweating. That's right. Yeah. So we started off with that, and then you go right into all the time. Yeah, absolutely. And it's a great warm-up. 15 minutes and you're sweating.

9:31 you're ready to rock. feeling good, in their head, like, okay, two steps forward, maybe one little step back. You had the math That's right. So it's that kind of lifestyle that we really got to be disciplined. look like they're dead yeah and i'm like jesus christ you know 56 and at a certain point in time And when I've taken days off and then I get back to it, it's like I feel way more slide now than I did when I was 20 or 30.

11:51 Yes. Too many days of no sleep will But you just have to do it. Yeah, let's go. Hit the gym. They say don't eat on the flight. I'm on a plane, I'm eating. I think there's 100% something to the workout, though. Because I think about this too as well. Like the difference between when you're tired and you feel like we've been here before. Yeah. Or you have those days where you push through and you feel way better.

14:33 You're right up there with anybody. Because it's easy just to say, yeah, I'll do it. Yeah. Yes. You don't want it to be a colonoscopy. Yeah. Fuck you, we're doing these fucking hill sprints. You get to do it. And we are lucky. For sure. is the same way it's co-opted by some people, and then people have this negative association with it. It affects them, too.

18:25 They're like, are we fucking working out with The Rock? It was awesome. You don't know what the fuck is coming next and you're just trying to enjoy the ride. gratitude. But really the shit that matters most is the stuff that's right here. Of being present. Yeah. They feel your energy. It's that thing. But this idea of, but I'm going to try and enjoy it.

21:58 let me enjoy this now. I realized when I was young, I got a development deal for Disney when I was, I think I was 25, 26. Like my whole life I was poor. Like my whole life I was poor. But then the moment Cause that shit hanging over your head causes stress that fucking ruins lives. Do whatever the fuck you have to do, whatever work you have to put in to continue that.

24:15 But especially if you grow up broke i heard this and i always wanted to confirm it with you you started early with martial arts yeah moved to Florida from 11 to 13, Boston from 13 to 24. always going where we had to go. And when we did that, I would have to make a whole new set of friends and so was this thing about being insecure and young and you know

26:47 I'm not a loser like I just have to find a thing thing and fucking I wasn't doing training. I was just training competing training competing and teaching It's that simple. We were sparring hard. Like, I'm 21. you were talking about like moments ago. And I knew that's coming. And I knew that was coming they drink, they just fall apart. No. And just getting guys getting dropped all the time.

30:03 You can't do things. you can get better at stuff and you learn that you can overcome all those feelings of weakness that are inside yeah and and it acts as like a forcing mechanism for discipline yeah and to work through I was WWE champion. Right? It's like the Miyamoto Musashi quote. advances you as a person and the lessons that you learn in pursuing that thing you apply to

32:50 You're going to lose all that heavenly glory around you. He was such a bad motherfucker. I remember getting my first pair of nunchucks. I feel like he was groundbreaking in a way, right, when he came over here. Like if you were a judo practitioner and you started training at a kickboxing tang su do and you know kung fu from Yip Man from Wing Chun. Yeah, figuring out how to adapt and move to every situation to be like water.

35:31 Really, it was like kind of dangerous. Like people would go after you if you disrespected Kung Fu. No. It's literally like a superpower to have that and to walk around to know that most people have zero idea how to fight right? You're moving around like, dude, you're going to get hurt here. But once I started training, I was just competing all the time.

37:53 what are you gonna look over your shoulder the rest of your life yeah yeah no you can't do that Yeah. They're insecure. Yeah. and in getting better at things. you go back to the gym. It all starts in the gym. Yeah. That hard work you put in. you have an amazing brain. Right. You're not giving it what it needs. That's right. That's Right, there's so much fucking noise.

41:18 and training gives you the leg up chiming in about everything. in that regard. That's the trend. That it's just to shit on everything. But you're right. I want to back looking at things like, Yeah. And make people feel bad and shit on this whole thing and really not offer anything, I think, constructive. Yes, you know and you see people defending themselves online like I have done this and I've done that. What are you doing?

44:32 Well, it's a sport. something you and i were texting about last week is is how can you tell the difference between the bullshit noise and the Sure. That's terrible, too. and historically thousands of years that I find complicated and that is a part of the world and historically thousands of But in this case – world war ii and the fucking the holocaust is that they othered these human beings because

49:27 how insane these conflicts we have over territory of lines in the dirt and fighting over resources We evolved in these small groups of hunter gatherers thousands and thousands of years long time for this to happen yeah but we'll eventually understand each other to the point them up. Like we're still doing that. That's insane. It's insane that human beings are still

52:06 We can't have that. look, I feel like, like you were saying, we have to, things got to get recalibrated, man. And then we're back to caveman if we're lucky. It's happened before. Wow. A few thousand people is nothing. with, back then, of course, you're dealing with Plants don't grow. Yours too. and people are like trying to draw straws You get up and then you look,

55:54 At least I try to think that way. They have bad water. Do you understand how that works over there? And now these, the people that are like the free Palestine people are bloodthirsty. our lifetime is so insane because well that's why it concerns If we do that now, and then they retaliate and then that and then it's over Brought us together. That's right.

59:52 And I think, unfortunately, there's a lot of people in this life, It's not the hardcore shit we're going through Things have changed so quickly from the time you and I were kids. Yeah. Dude. It's not fun. Oh no. But it was just incredibly surreal and so wild, because I'm like you in here, in our core. As you were talking about, we live in this time with incredible technology and communicate so fast.

1:03:47 You know, those kind of qualities, integrity. that a certain amount of civilians, 100% are going to die, but you know that a certain amount of civilians 100% are you get lies from either side. The question is how many of them. You might put out something that says a thousand innocent civilians and they bombed a children's hospital. gunned down and blown up and lose 50% of them because you didn't want to kill the same number of innocent civilians?

1:06:19 Yes. involved in something like Ukraine, whether or not you're pro us helping Ukraine or not. Instead, the Maui people get $700, a one-time payment, which is insane. Wow. Like, do we have an accurate account of like, is anybody siphoning this? Why don't we have that money for the school system? Why don't we have that money for infrastructure? Why don't have that money for the school system inner cities? Yeah homeless. Yeah. Yes school

1:09:09 See if you can find a video of it. them up somewhere. They put fences up everywhere so the people can't camp there anymore. Like, hey, guys, why don't you fucking do this all the time? Now, is this temporary? It's like, oh, you could have always done this? And you could have cleaned it up at any time. No worries. It never comes up. because the work that now that me and the team have been putting it, it doesn't end.

1:12:06 It's the biggest wildfire, the worst disaster- In 100 years. brother, within six weeks, just like that. You know, when devastation like that happens in that way, The heaviness. Well, the people that did survive and do come together, they will never forget. They still could. For our own. 50th state. It's so insulting and so insane in the light of all this public knowledge of the amount of money that we're sending to other countries.

1:14:57 And so there's some houses that are getting $4,000, $5,000, $6,000. first. Yes. Take care of our American people. It's a community. We should be a community. and just reading stuff and attacking each other. Like it was no big deal. Nobody like, fuck you. friends who support biden i have friends do you really have friends to support by i do come on the differing opinions and not turn it into just some crazy insult fest, which is what you see online.

1:17:24 It's bad for everybody who's listening. you, too. It's bad for the people that are engaging in it. It's bad for everybody who's listening. Like what have your guys said? They deal with whatever the situation is. Good luck because there's so much Russian disinformation and Chinese disinformation and American disinformation. Yes. Yeah. Very few posts, very few followers. And the only thing they want to do is that. They have zero posts on their account. Yeah. Very few posts, very few followers.

1:20:18 Kill Cliff. Jesus. Now, how do people up and the resurrection is coming. Jesus. We're going to be able to know thoughts. And they think that that's possible, which is amazing. What they're going to be able to do is bypass – I'm crudely phrasing this. exactly? It's going to be something. That technology. Because just like if you go back and watch Wall Street, like Michael Douglas had that fucking big-ass brick telephone.

1:23:42 It sits in your pocket. And they will have massive amounts of wealth and power almost instantly. And I think the first trials they're doing are with people with neurological either conditions or injuries. Nothing, right? It was only 11 years old. And as society and technology and innovation just spins at this insane, ever-rapid pace, 10 years feels like nothing.

1:26:26 I was 16. It died the next day. It died the next day. Okay, so I'm 15. well you know I love country So I was down there with a buddy of mine named Downtown Bruno, I said, how much? So speaking of cool cars, it was a 77 Thunderbird. a hunk of shit. This is a beautiful one I'm like, fuck, I got my first car. There was another fucking drunk on the floor.

1:28:53 And he's just high as fuck. By the way, I'm 15. So I ditched it at a fucking Burger King. really wants me to have this fucking car. And by the way, my mom's The first car, the first time that you could just go wherever you wanted to go, to me that was magic. Oh, yeah. do i enjoy it sometimes i like to just get in a car and just drive just the best oh yeah just

1:30:42 to go places when you're a young kid, that's an amazing freedom. It's the best. drive my Tesla a lot I love it yeah I love that fucking thing and I drive my everybody who I talk the Cybertruck? All I drive is pickup trucks. Yeah. I shot an arrow at it the other day. Why? I go, why? He goes, because it a.45 slug. Wow. Yeah, why? Is it heavy as fuck?

1:32:45 Yeah, it was, I mean, fucking just ate it like it was nothing. Literally. Right. Yeah. Yeah, but if you can get past that, the sheer ability that they have to just go, That's like I'm on a Disneyland ride for adults.'s like whoo yeah I mean we have to go fast What's your baby that's a muscle car? Yeah, it's a racing engine that goes to like 9,000 RPMs.

1:35:37 That thing is really fun. Barracudas were just, they only made them cool for like three years. So just emotionally, there's a real emotional connection there. And then we'd drive home to our fucking trailer park. It's like just you're floating. working the gimmick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, right now. It never breaks. Yeah, for him, I drive a 2003 Toyota Tacoma.

1:38:12 Yeah. Oh, no, in 96. They will go hundreds of thousands of miles and not fuck up. But those Toyotas, they fucking never break. you never have an issue They wanted things to break down so that you would have an incentive to get a new one. They do now. Because those fucking things are bulletproof. Mine is a Hennessey, so it's 1,000 horsepower. what mine looks like. Fuck.

1:40:43 sounds like America, yeah. It just sounds perfect. It's the best on, it's boom. Sounds like America, yeah. Dallas. On the Von Erichs? Some other actors, too, I think, right, who's in it. A wild family and just tragedy. Look at his knuckles. lived in Dallas and every week at this famous arena called the Sportatorium, this tiny little Like that was the thing that I was really going to make it.

1:42:54 He got cut in October of 95. I see my dad over there in the chair. I really appreciate it. I said, oh, it was a coach from Calgary. I said, I'm not. I said, the wrestling business. He was jacked. Who were like bodybuilding. Oh, my God. I said, I don't know. because he felt like, hey, look around. call a guy named Pat Patterson, theme. Everybody's like, what fucking business? The wrestling business. Why the fuck do you want

1:46:51 Start the match, I'll work as a heel, He's smoking a cigarette. I said, okay, well, thank you so much for coming out. I'll just keep working. Whoa. How long has he been working? Pat said, just trust me. you did a good job, but be prepared. I'm going to give you a little bit more tomorrow. And the best of punches, like you got to be snug. So, yeah. Whoa.

1:50:19 Right. He said, you're not ready for WWE. he says, hey, by the way, I turn around. I do, too. This is insane. Wow. to go from there called me up to WWE There it is. 22,000 people. Dropkick is coming up. I went, what do you mean? And I went, okay, great. This is the one, two, three here. hair person who was backstage i said can you give me something that's gonna make my hair like nice

1:54:58 Look at this. Well, so go ahead. most part everybody's supportive um because even though it's a cutthroat business backstage And anti-authority, fuck the boss, Then you have this kid who's 25, who's coming out. And it started not to feel good to me, And then fans started to turn. no, you got to smile. the best of the wrestlers So imagine that. Don't listen to him.

1:58:39 Two days later, I drop the belt to somebody else. In 97, during that time, while I was still going out So do the math of that and how much you're making per match. I start talking to and I have this idea and then I don't have I said, I think that's the way to go see how it works out. But I still got this MMA thought in my head. Now there's six hours of show, two different programs.

2:02:07 heel with this heel group i grab the microphone and i say something like listen i'm a lot of I'm going to be real. the fans felt something that night. for all my blood, my sweat, and my tears. Well, But hey, you know what, the hell with the DOA. And then that was it. and how to set up a storyline. It's smile. I'm coming across he admitted, I think it was a separate thing

2:06:34 Oh, yeah. knew how to protect himself and hold his own, might have known a hold or two, hold on a second, is one of the most dynamic and difficult amateur sports. How is it that wrestling never got to that place? Wrestling is the cornerstone of MMA. That's just a fact. And people were trying to stretch the dollar. and even still today, having a great base of wrestling is important. Even though there's antics and showmanship and this guy's jumping off this thing and going to the building and

2:10:49 So I was 15 years old. And the Von Erichs were working me out when I was five, It's the hardest sport. I want to be a pro wrestler. I was just – I felt like I'm spinning here. I had a little bit. And I felt like I've always been very coachable in whatever it is that I did, wrestling each other every night so I got a chance to get to know him very well and work out with him

2:13:15 He was one of the first guys to figure out conditioning. They would try to break you. We saw and a guy with insane cardio. Insane. I remember that, yeah. Yeah, and Frank was fighting. Yeah. Say, for example, to take Frank Shamrock, Ken Shamrock, I feel like with the different kind of coaching, how they were coached back then, I feel like they would still dominate.

2:15:58 You're getting these guys that are competing now that are first fight in the UFC. they would rise today. Like Hoyce in the beginning, very little striking. He's fighting guys 270 pounds. Champions are champions. And back then, nobody knew. He was like 300 plus, and Marco's just kicking his legs, kicking his legs, And everyone does it now. And so all your balance is on your left leg now because your right leg's fucked.

2:19:04 It could. who was like 220 natural. Wow. Like a cartoon. Like when he was across the ring in Pride, that's what they loved. I mean, insane. He spent a lot of time on his back getting beaten up by this enormous, super powerful in jiu-jitsu and for jiu-jitsu when he caught him in this arm bar it was the biggest win ever Right away, yes. Yeah, Minotaur Noguera

2:21:46 A person that didn't even look like a person. That guy would be a champion today. Did you wish that he had his run in UFC? had some heavy requirements of what, you know, Some real dudes. The same. And Kevin Randleman suplexed him on his neck. Stoic and deceiving. Just had like a fucking sloppy body. Looked like he just ate a bunch of god and you have fedor who just had like a fucking sloppy body looked like he just

2:23:57 Fedor figures out a way to get up and then random and suplexes him and when he suplexed him right here right on his neck But look, you reversed him. See the veins on his legs? And look at this, immediately, locks up And then catches him in the Kimura. Yes. Yeah. He just fucking pushed so hard. it's hard to say because Kane is another one that was so stoic and he would never complain.

2:27:28 Because he was a heavyweight, but he had the cardio of a welterweight. Like the way he's throwing these combinations and head kicks He was so good. His knee was fucked up. Monster, man. I remember that. This is fucking insane. Well, because he can do everything. And he did it with a fucked up back. his back was fucked up, so he had to kind of let it heal

2:30:21 Both of those main events, I had no idea. Speed kills. Yeah. I don't know what's going to happen here. the champion. I mean, dude. That's the champion. Yeah. I don't know who won. Yeah. That's the thing. And if Francis knocks that guy out, then if they can try to coax Tyson Fury into a rematch, that would be fucking bananas. I love that guy too. He is certainly a champion.

2:34:15 I think it's probably a different fight. Third fight dominates. Deontay's he's the greatest knockout artist ever if you look at his career. It's like mostly knockouts Yes, yes. Yeah. blap. He figured out a way to get up and hold. I think really to get it back, to really get that reputation back, he should fight Francis. How much? are there for that.

2:36:51 fuck you money. I like that they put together Throw that money out there. I need to do that again. But he's fighting the craftiest heavyweight Whether Usyk would want to fight Francis, who knows? And although Usyk is smaller, man, that fucking guy is so skilled. Well, Usyk is wearing shoes in there, and Tyson is not. Yeah. I'm asking. in Vietnam. That Ali was a different Ali.

2:40:22 There was no one like him. And Cleveland was just trying his best to close the distance. Look at that hook. And then eventually he starts tuning Cleveland up and drops him a couple of times. Bang. Muhammad Ali, I gotta show you this picture, dude. So here's a picture of me sitting on his lap. So when I started the nation turn, the heel rock, right, that you saw earlier,

2:42:25 I'm grabbing the microphone. so if you could please tell him if he doesn't want me to use this, He told me to tell you tonight. I was like was one message he told me to tell you tonight. Didn't call me any names. the world of sports. he was a hero in a completely different way. Yeah. Also what I thought about a lot when I was worried about brain damage He I thought about him a lot when I was having headaches from these sparring sessions because he was already deteriorating by then

2:45:19 Which is a great boxer just getting beat up Yeah, Easton Assassin. Tyson already made that promise. get this dude for me. That was crazy. Look at that. Yeah. He was still very, very good, but Tyson was on another level. And combined also because of his trainer had all the videos of those guys. This is round three. I was like, oh, my God, he's going to get him.

2:48:18 And then when Larry gets up, he's in real trouble. And when Mike is coming at you, That was the legacy-making fight for Mike Tyson. I feel like you can only keep up those RPMs when you're fucking there after it for so long before You're just like, what? light heavyweight champion and then he beat lar Larry Holmes, won the heavyweight title. Here it is.

2:50:59 Yeah, and like a ghost fucking punch it comes out of nowhere, right? Just a fucking ruthless right hand. I should box. I could be up there and if Michael Spinks is I got a shot. Yeah, Well, listen, brother, it's been awesome to sit down and talk to you. Just working out. We'll do it again.