Joe Rogan Experience #2069 — Dr. Shawn Baker Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day I'm sure you've been told that before. like Saturday night I had sushi, but I'll tell you, I felt like shit afterwards. But you're an extreme example because you have been doing it now So yeah, it's been a while. my privileges and went to the state. The state said, hey, you can fight this, you know, in our sort of state medical board situation, or you can get independently evaluated. And I said, well,

3:18 our health care system has some serious serious problems you know some serious conflicts of the rest of your life which I think is wrong with the wrong course yeah I You know, instead of, like I said, instead of just the symptom management, putting band-aids on stuff, actually getting people healthy. I mean, there's too many of those stories for it to be ignored.

5:39 Same thing. any money from industry. He refuses to take anything. He's like, I want to make sure I do The GLP-1 receptor agonist, which we've heard so much about lately, the ozempics and things like that. I didn't say humans are carnivores. it's one of the more effective things I've seen across the board. And so at the very least, incentive for ultra processed food. Why do we have this stuff? So now looking at the financial incentive for ultra-processed food.

8:25 And they also have significant shares in pharmaceutical manufacturers. that line of, you know, does it, does it, is it for the greater good? And it becomes, you know, I want Cocoa Pops. I wanted Frank and Frank and Barry all that stuff. Yeah But it basically says, this is the whole thing. All this crap where they say that meat causes cancer. Now, clearly, there's genetic differences.

11:44 whatever bite you go on. I think that's clear. And, you know, if you get rid of the garbage, you're going to have a benefit, whatever diet you go on. I didn't die. uh, you know, like I said, if there's anybody that has, you know, like I said, if I'm wrong, So anyway, there's a, so there's a little backstory on this. And last time I mentioned And there's something called a lipid energy model.

13:52 When you cut carbs low and you get lean, right, your body says, hey, there's not a lot of energy in my cells. is it bad if my cholesterol is really high, but I'm fit, I'm lean, I don't have diabetes, 500, 600, 700 milligrams per deciliter. It's enough to give your doctor a heart attack. vascular disease. They were like clean, clean arteries. And so, so what, and what they're doing

16:38 and then we'll get to see what happens after a year. Now, I suspect what will happen is they'll But if this turns out to be what I think it's going to show, which it likely will show, then that throws a monkey wrench in that whole theory because it's like, wait a minute, maybe it's a dependent variable. of the ones that started Some people think it's a pleomorphic effect or it's like a side effect, like maybe it's decreasing the inflammation.

19:10 cancer, heart disease, dementia, infectious disease, so on and so forth, the people with So it's there for a reason. You know, it's like if you go on a carnivore diet and, Joe, I know you've gotten lean, you feel good, I'm aware of the preliminary data, right? And I talked to the researchers and they're like, that when you consume dietary cholesterol, it raises cholesterol that you can measure in the blood.

21:41 which often runs with cholesterol That was Harvard University where they basically took a bunch of money And when you tell them about it, they're like, what are you talking about? It's even more insidious than that because the people that are involved in the FDA eventually go and work for these corporations, which is so wild. I mean, the FDA for new drug, for new drug approvals, it's like 65% of that budget comes from the pharmaceutical industry itself.

24:21 So like Harvard recently came out with a study, nonsense epidemiology, that red meat is contributing to diabetes, increase your risk do is get an interventional study done. So I, you know, it's kind of interesting because this is how far what I think the problem is. It was like Robert Mitchum back in 92. Like every time a cow moves in the United States, like if you're a cattle ranch and you sell your cow, you got to pay a dollar.

25:57 And you think about India, But they actually slaughter more cattle in India than we do in the United States, and they export most, a lot of it. conflict between that, but they have all the money. I went to those guys, to the beef checkoff, I'm like, the perfect way to test if meat is healthy or not is to just put them on a damn carnivore diet and I want but anyway back to this beef checkoff thing. So I said, Hey, look, you know, every year you award money, you know, hundreds

28:44 In fact, I talked to the CEO of the NCBA two years ago. We're going to get this going. think that's i don't think it's necessary from you know for one but if you significantly cut back It's crazy. vegetarians, you know, you go back to like the Kellogg's brothers, you know, John Harvey Kellogg, He was giving himself, like, high-pressure enemas every day.

31:17 like a super soaker on steroids thing. But I know there's people that are like like like putting weird stuff up their butt, man. I've never done it, these crazy vegans do where they, and they poop it all out, Oh, look, all the toxins. Like when you're sweating, your body's regulating your heat temperature. You don't need all the smoothie, juice-fast detoxes.

33:04 If you're eating so much sugar and you're getting it in a weird form yeah if you're like we make powdered sugar, we make powdered flour and we, we, we combine them together, we ate more calories it's like crazy and our kids are getting fat. leads to this obesity thing. But we know like, for instance, well, here's another thing. you know, freedom of choice and things like that. So you shouldn't be just like, you can still smoke

36:07 developing a menu for a healthy dietary pattern using ultra-processed foods. DGA and includes a over 80% from UPF ultra Processed Foods, as defined by NOVA, designed to accomplish this objective. The HEI 215 score was 86 out of a possible 100 points. And so this is really, I think what this is, it's positioning us as a society to accept Don't ask questions.

38:54 the fact that our health guidelines aren't set on, obesity has nothing to do with diet. It has So if you go to like Brazil, like Brazil's Dietary Guidelines, us sick. Island and the Brady Bunch and Dukes of Hazzard and Charlie's Angels and stuff like that. And everybody had the same thing, but now And it sounds crazy to say because people, oh, that's not it.

41:53 something like 25% of Americans are on a drug for mental health, which is insane. I mean, it's like, Hospital yeah, the hospitals are horrible hospital is terrible food. Yeah, they give you garbage What about fiber? If I got a little more money, I'm probably buying the fruits and vegetables, probably out of guilt. Well, they looked at that and they said, look, our gut has incredible metabolic flexibility.

44:38 conditions which i've seen in the thousands now it's crazy like crohn's disease ulcerative colitis saying is that if you have a poor diet, if you have a diet that's rich in ultra happening with fiber in a lot of ways because this fiber goes back to uh what's the researcher's name have in a lifetime back you know 150 years ago so it's kind of crazy by the time they're eight

47:07 Food food at it couldn't stop eating chocolate and ice cream and all that stuff and this is her this is a funny guy, this guy in the hat right there, his name is, uh, what's his name? I'm It's like, how the hell can you get to 400 pounds? and I don't need the Coke. food manufacturing companies and her job, she was a chemist, and her job was to design food to be as

49:08 because these people So it's Brandon Frazier refrigerator next to him That's like hell. But I think clearly there are people that are addicted It's kind of gross. Let's go because there are there are people that say they'll do that if they can't get anything else. And you just eat a bag of sugar. They'll sit down. Well, They're getting kickbacks to promote all this unhealthy behavior and unhealthy food and they're going through what I eat in a day

51:11 you know, directly. They say oh, he's a racist or he's a right-wing fascist or something like it because because you're like And so they see these things and it does affect the way they view the world. I was like, I'm just kind of let people live. Maybe we should look into universal health care. We covered that with the homeless thing in California. If you're not aware, there's people that are working on the homeless.

54:56 down the fences and let people camp again like you showed that the overall I think at this point they kind of have to run him unless he dies. They're going to put her on the moon. But it would be a real problem for people that are Kamala Harris supporters and believe it or not. They exist Yeah, I mean I just Again, I I'm not a political commenter. I'm not expert. It does seem like really like

57:23 It I think it was like well over 700 million and Trump thinks it's worth over a What if nationalism really upticks? America. Yeah, because you talk about the backlash, because you saw like right recently in Argentina, but I'm just like, how does it affect my day-to-day stuff? I mean, a little bit of the COVID stuff, and I just kind of saw some of the craziness there,

1:00:38 And it's fucked up. He's a good guy. So he, Special Forces, or Special Operations, rather, Army Ranger, 15, 14, 15 tours overseas, And the cops, the Seattle police you know commissioner said hey Greg Of course. You can stay healthy. money, right? So, I mean, there's a little bit of a conflict of interest there. So I go in it with You're a fan of that.

1:03:10 But my neck is an area where I didn't really like man, 260 Yeah, Completely approved by the FDA is they're limited in their applications, but in Mexico they're not and so they've had Nothing's straining. and I'd be smashing the bag and kicking the pads, and then my knee would swell up again. I have no problems with it. know that guy's amazing he's amazing and I love that he puts all that information

1:06:25 Do you still do that stuff? I've got one in the garage. too. And it's supposedly I'll do like time and keep my heart rate in the high 140s, of my work was i was doing rucking i was doing a lot of farmer's carries i was doing elevated And so I'm just like. Good training partners are everything. Someone who gives you like 50%, 60% resistance. And he and I would

1:09:34 Just drill over and over and over again. black belts. Cause I mean, cause they know, like they can dial it back in there and it's just kind sharp sharp technique most people say the best jiu-jitsu to learn is learn jiu-jitsu from a like Greg, I'm fine. Craig's 200-ish, something like that. What he says is use it when you need it. It's not like, oh, okay, I got the elbow and I pull.

1:12:30 It's like when you're at the, if you're hanging out at the strip joint last night, I'm like, Drilling is everything. they're, they're explaining it to me, to to people so when they're explaining these things to people it's like When I was a kid, I started teaching very early on. I was like, this is awesome. doing this carnivore stuff, a lot of people are reaching out to me i had uh the first time i met like a uh

1:15:03 dead if they like continue you literally die and so you to death, you'd be dead. If they like continue, you would literally die. you're just trying not to get your arm broken you're trying to you know like literally i mean I owe taxes. She's like, why the fuck are you doing this stuff? partners like if you train with greg i guarantee you it's safer than training with someone who's

1:17:27 where knees get yanked that are also dedicated probably, you thing probably you know I was like, what? He was saying, stop. I was like, stop. What? Stop. The one thing that keeps me So the rest of the day is downhill from there, right? Every single time, my bitch-ass brain tries to find some way to override my discipline I stare at the watch, and I go, when three minutes is over, I'm going to be so happy I did this.

1:19:51 It's an awesome machine. And it's like that for hours. Yeah, I remember I can't remember like well I used to ice pass, you know back way in the day and I would sit in there for like 30 minutes That's when it gets hard. The most important thing is we want to build a base. when it's done you're going to feel better because you did a thing that you didn't think you could do

1:22:36 You know like 12 pounds swings cleans presses some windmills base and so we build this base and now these guys are fucking happy they're confident they're coming You're an entity. day. If I sleep eight hours and I eat really good food and I come in there, I have more energy. A lot of drunk fatso's are funny comedians because they're wild impulsive people

1:25:30 A lot of them are uneducated, Like Patrice O'Neill is one of are all guys that i work with all the time so if i'm doing shows there tuesday wednesday and me who loves them and who is already fit and they could see the benefits. And I'm telling them, Make sure you get your sleep in. like John Belushi, John Candy, these giant, you know, they all died early, right?

1:28:06 There's another. So he's like leaned out a lot. If you made a movie like Tropic Thunder today, everyone's going to jail. Yeah, but there's a lot of, like, really funny guys. You don't have to be dying to be a good comic. It's a burger place. They were just, you know, obviously forcing this on the population. Oh, for, for, yeah. a cease and desist, That's what they did.

1:30:44 Ireland, they're trying to pass some law where if you have memes on your possession, so if you have something in your possession that I don't know if he went to jail or if he was convicted of something. meant to fool people into not voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016. that she had cheated during the primaries to get supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders to

1:32:54 Let's find out what he actually made. are using me to promote themselves like i'm talking about this is the hottest rapper alive, Tom Segura and I have this thing Put that up there. It says Twitter user convicted for false voting information Instagram post directly. disparaging political figures is not illegal. Mackey was sentenced for posting memes that

1:35:39 I don't, I mean, we had to check. Okay. Right. Right. That is, yeah, that's different. Avoid the line, vote from home, text Hillary. I mean, that kind of falls under misinformation. I don't know. meat and being healthy and working out. That's I just discovered it a couple of days ago. I think we should replace it with human infrastructure. By the way, where does this motherfucker think fertilizer comes from?

1:39:09 But if you feed it for a cow and then kill the cow, that's a rights violation. Right, right, right. Whether he realizes it or not, he's in a cult, you know, whether he realizes it or not He's in a cult and this cult is not it's it's not based on any objective assessment of the reality of biological life on Earth Well, I think that's a deeply unhappy person that's probably very depressed.

1:41:04 Yeah, pave it all over with a parking lot and grow food in a factory. They breathe in carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen. We breathe in oxygen, we breathe out carbon dioxide. The more carbon dioxide, which is a real problem with the whole climate crisis because it supports your ideology And he's, he thinks, you know, there, there's a whole argument about, you know, you should

1:42:54 Human infrastructure. I don't think you know that if you make human infrastructure over where there is usually a huge amount of suffering and death and rights violations, most likely this year. And he used to be like a drug addict and I was vegan. And he was like he made this like rap video saying I wouldn't I was afraid of him and wouldn't debate him. And I was like, OK, whatever. So he wanted but he wanted a partner to debate with me. And I said, I don't go bring somebody on. And this this is the other guy he picked as his backup as his like he's probably regretting he brought this guy on now because he's like such a wacko.

1:44:15 Yeah, exactly. what about the lion that needs to eat? Doesn't he have any rights? He goes, oh, I don't And you could eat that cow that's an enormous animal and Have you ever eaten bear? Awesome. The problem with bears is, and teddy bears and all that shit. Steve Rinella blueberry bear. So they specifically target these fall bears that are eating blueberries.

1:46:55 This is Steve after he's shot the animal, Well, he lives in Montana, but he has a fish shack in Alaska. So that fat, if you look at it, it's got like a blue hue to it, Like a confit duck, yes. My brother one time I watched, he like rendered a mug full of bear fat How hard is it to get a bear tag? Tell you guys. A kid a few years back reason to kill people for food. Whereas brown bears and grizzly bears, generally they kill

1:49:59 Meat actually contains thousands of phytonutrients. So when those animals graze, It's 50,000 unique compounds, and many of them are phytonutrients. I don't know what your opinion is on taste. Colorado Craft Beef, which Jocko has invested in. All you need is water. be on carnival, but I do think we should probably eat less junk food, more meat. I mean, I think

1:52:36 But, you know, get these guys out there because, I don't know, I mean, these guys are good. uh, Jenny on recently. And they explained, and I've had Will on twice, and he explained his situation where he developed this regenerative farm from what used to be an industrialized farm and how difficult it was. It improves the ecosystem. It's like something we need more of. all these regenerative guys and i'm totally for that i think it's wonderful it's great it improves

1:53:50 He's lucky he's in Georgia. They've been spraying it on everything since, I i don't know the 1980s or something like They don't eat any pesticides. a shining light to all these people. I mean, we should subsidize that stuff is what we should do and Impossible Meat. your pocketbook. And just every time you go to the store and you buy that bullshit, that crappy food, you're putting more money in their pockets.

1:56:43 depressed and miserable, keep doing what you're doing. It is crazy. I don't care what diet you are, you need to be taking care of your health. And I think, You got to slow down. Well, that 90% is now your 100%. I had a guy talk to me about, This is me laying in bed You've got to train smart and you don't get hurt. And we were kids. Yeah, big belly, gray hair.

1:59:15 Well, you look at guys like Stallone and Schwartz, for a triple at 90. And he only weighs like 148. That's incredible. It's like, And then if you live extra long, great. that's a fact whether or not you're looking at, like, look, clearly these people that are eating off the I don't want to. let me hey jamie there's a picture of a gal with blonde hair do you see that one i just want to i

2:01:50 She's been doing supposedly a carnivore diet since she's like 15. She's 82, learning Spanish. Well, that's 82 years of no bullshit in your body and being physically active yeah it's amazing it didn't i didn't learn anything except how crazy these people are but i had a guy that i was like So I looked it up, and I looked up studies Yeah, and just felt amazing

2:04:16 Whether it's mental anguish because their brain's not functioning well, their body's not fine. That's not good. like, you know, those obstacle race guys, right? That's what's fascinating. Whatever salad I'm like, no, it's there's a lot of things that die to get you that salad They point to him as the guy. There's a bunch of those guys. Because you're not getting a lot of the things that you need.

2:06:55 brain turns back on these people say like their brain reset when yeah i got the right food so And so I'm glad you're out there, Sean. Appreciate it. get your health taken care of, all 50 states. mostly where I'll be. Alright, brother. Thanks for being here. Appreciate you. Bye, MD. I've got a YouTube channel. It's Sean Baker, MD. And that's, that's, that's mostly where I'll be. All right, brother. Thanks for being here. Appreciate you.