Joe Rogan Experience #2091 — Diana Walsh Pasulka Transcript

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0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day probably had these experiences. Some of them have. Yeah. The experiences that are available that and not even earth-centric hemispherical centric right it depends on where the sun is And these people like the Whitley Strybers, these people that talk about these experiences that happen at night, we know for a fact that when you are sleeping, your brain is producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals.

3:07 people are experiencing these abduction, you know, air quote, abduction experiences? These encounters, Can we just start with how did you get involved in this? were the first to adopt computers and that type of thing. So what I did was, I was very interested are religious in some way, it's a good thing to know. But how did I get into studying UFOs?

5:05 People either levitate or they have – they see things that they call angels or demons and things like this. in daylight. But I do agree with you that something's happening in your brain and you're Right. That's where it gets weird. Yeah. I don't get it still. believed it was going to happen. And I believed it was going to happen at any time. They have language about this space.

9:37 Like, what are you saying? But if you want to talk about crazy things in terms of encountering some sort of thing, that everyone has talked about. who's, by the way, killed by his country, you know, he's killed by Athens, the town he lives perceive these through our minds, but it's not normal intellect. I'm sorry. Like a runner's high. Yeah? That's my opinion. Like a runner's high.

14:21 again, which I never thought I'd be studying, like he's special, right? What I found was that he was practicing these types of protocols. I And during this mental state, he said that he could receive calculations. He could receive information. And this allowed them. And I think that this is what Plato was trying to get his group into through these protocols.

17:22 When you get it right, you're on a ride. Yeah. And you'd lose it. I'm like, wow. the desire to do it. you're just lazy. do that. I don't know why. Like how are you managing this weird thing that for most of us, you wake up and you go, God, what the hell was that? I think so too. I know that that's not part. It's a struggle. like Mike Tyson said this on the podcast he, discipline is doing something you hate but doing it like you love it.

20:53 That's what I was telling you about when I saw your picture out there of Jimi Hendrix. And I was just obsessed with getting it correct. He absolutely is. plays a guitar inaccessible to the average artist he hit some crazy vibration. And I've always got that feeling when I listen to his stuff. And he knew he did. strange but that's part of the reason why I was interested in studying

24:12 You don't do it for anything else. You do it because of it. Well, Maybe some of them will become pop stars. But he's getting something from a higher state. all of them, all those transcendent people, all the Beatles. When the Beatles, from their early I think you're right. ruining our country. Let's make everything illegal and then lock everybody up that does it. And then you get the 80s. And the 80s is like this

27:49 They became ego-driven drugs, the worst kind of drugs. but what you see now is you definitely see a uh you know using these for therapeutic purposes. administering psychedelics to people in brothels without their knowledge and observing them and Yes. Just the facts alone are insane. They most likely created Charles Manson, most likely gave him psychedelics, gave him LSD, taught him how to mind control influential young people or easily influenced young people and get them to do horrific things and demonize the hippie movement.

30:27 bullshit yes and and then the when you see things like especially coming out of the pandemic when you see how incompetent these people that are supposed to be leaders are and how foolhardy You guys are fools. Yeah. people that are completely displeased people that are very upset with the way things are they know right above where I live, the Bohemian Grove.

33:42 Right. message of the UFO And it looks like we're talking about it from the sideline. They will kill you if you had And believe me, I've already thought a lot about the problem of evil. I've spent my life reading allegory of the cave, where, you know, the allegory, it's like the matrix, right? It's like, And they're small communities. So there is structural injustice and there's structural evil.

37:49 that talk about Project Blue Book, and that's the managed, you know, they're managing the perception, What's the term? Now, why I was able to look at this is because I had done work looking at oral traditions in religious communities. And one of the factions was responsible for sadly harassing people who do research. thinking that it's just a form, a new form of religion. And then quickly having people come

41:07 Yeah. about, I'll answer it in part. Okay. So in part, this is before the crash retrieval became a term But at the time, I called him James in my this up, nor would I lie. You know, I'm publishing with Oxford. So my reputation is at stake, right? But I've said this now publicly. People? Do you think that's on purpose? Yeah. I've got to think this through. It wasn't until about 2014 that I actually start to meet

45:37 It wasn't Roswell, actually. standpoint, like their idea of this is that it's a donation. They call it the donation site. So to tell you the truth. And he needed these environments in order to create this. supposedly, from these crash sites, that whatever these metals were, they were layered, He says, we just don't know. So I saw two types of materials.

49:29 Maybe they really believe this. Well, they both really believed this. I know that for sure. So we're there and we had to wear blindfolds in order to go, me and Gary. So Tyler's taking us. We're wearing, like, I guess there's rattlesnakes out there. And so we have to wear certain boots and, you know, things like that. And so this made me understand, this is what's going on.

51:03 how did we get this stuff? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. it's like gravel. And so I asked Tyler, what's this? And he said that after the government It doesn't seem ridiculous to me at all. I kept a lot of stuff in there that didn't make sense to me at the time. But when I look back on it with everything that's coming out now, I'm like, okay, I'm glad What's the best way to confuse people?

55:19 So Tyler took us and showed us everywhere. He's putting his hand down there and, you know, spending like hours at this one place trying to get something. And they both looked at me and laughed. who that's what he said was so and that and I don't know if the signal went to DC but everything Okay, like so the size of a pack of gum? Yeah. you could crumple up like a piece of paper and it would flatten right back out. And that's what you experienced?

59:27 Until 2017. You know, there is something. Like seriously long timers. Yeah. Yeah. There was a sense of duty to the American, you know, to being an American, of course, and patriot. Is there any? Yeah, yeah. how many different possibilities that they have surmised? Like, do they have a summary of all They probably weren't them. But when it – I guess I was a patriot. Right. And I still am.

1:03:56 Vatican archive, which is hard to get into, but I could get into it. And we also went to the space which is at the Space Observatory. And we have a scholar's residence and you're welcome to stay for as long as you want. You have full access to the Space Observatory archive. But original Keplers and Copernicuses and, you know, every single thing that people, scientists from 1200, 1300 on up, thought about space and about magnetism and propulsion and things like that, it's all there, every one

1:05:58 They know how to eat. And everything I saw seemed to me to be like, you know, colonization, you know, the colonization of I mean, there's stuff that should be in its own room, This is such an awesome studio. It's amazing. You have some really amazing stuff It's okay. Yeah, it's just art. It's amazing. And when we went, we were outside in this courtyard area and there's where the pine cone is.

1:08:32 the staff has a pine cone. That's the seed of the soul. That where dmt is made this might be the gateway This is the connection to the gods. So I already knew. I've been here. of demons and negative encounters. I've had none none i've had no negative experiences like that I really do. And that seems to be completely connected to that. and that's the gateway. That pine cone is the gateway. That's amazing. And, you know, my parish priest actually about a year ago gave me a little pine cone, a little gold pine cone, and I put it on my bag. And I didn't know this, actually. And as I came here to Austin, it fell off in the airport. And it's not gold or anything, but it looks gold and it fell off and it kind of went away and

1:13:59 a type of mind, like he didn't call it intellectual. Fascinating. Okay. Are you aware of Maria Sabina? No, I probably have read it. I think it got bought out by the Catholic Church this is very bizarre because it's written on parchment, which is animal skin. So they Jamie, check me that out. which meant a mushroom covered in God's semen. And then, well, first it was an oral tradition for who knows how long.

1:18:18 And the numerical value in words is very important to what the meaning of these sentences and what these phrases meant. And that's one category is entheogens and different types of religions. And he looked like he was part of, he had been baptized into this community. So the Jews at the, Yeah. It was, it was super diverse today. Look at how diverse it is. So I think there are

1:21:00 But that they've always been here and that they are the things that are being described Right. students say when they go and they see this in the Louvre and such. If you look at his primary Well, he doesn't actually look like that. intentional. I think because it's traumatic. I think because once you recognize the people by it. OK. And so until he died, they didn't actually tell anybody. So he kept it between

1:24:46 But what should we call it? If you put physics on that case, physicists on that case, and if you Yeah. They have the lines of the mushroom cap. OK, I agree with you that their mushrooms are seen in Catholic churches in near Guatemala, down in Mexico and things like that inlaid. They took good notes. Yeah, I think that. Yeah. Could it have been a miracle all along?

1:30:07 or what it actually shows. in 1578. The Savoys and yet the French historian Jean-Christine Petitfils has recently published a seriously reviewed 400-page analysis in the monastery in Lire about 130 miles east of Paris in 1353. This is a time of unparalleled I'm not actually, Petit Fil is what I would say. Petit fil. But. Les Saints Soirés de Touraine,

1:33:01 Hmm. Sepulchral cloth. When Pia went to the darkroom to check his plates, Can you click on that, Jamie, and make it large? appears to be something in his stomach. Yeah. Very bizarre. were it was either a troll That's right. That would be so amazing. things? this idea over the last few years that the universe itself is God. I think, yeah, I mean. And they didn't want to talk about it.

1:37:44 Let's fucking go. And that's the whole idea of this two data set. Now. I pushed this guy a little harder. Let's listen, I guess. Here we go. You want some more brownies? No. Hey, Tom, is your insulation all burned off here on the front side of your window over here? i think it's the sound there are two tones there's kind of like this No way. I don't know.

1:40:36 What the hell is that? Like one thing that happened to them when they were in space. And they agreed that if they all reported it, they couldn't get fired. strange things that happen. Of weird things, you know to their families and their family friends. So yeah, so you get that with astronauts, too. Hmm Probably not. ET is going to be AI and this is why.

1:44:54 and sociology of astrobiology. On December 4th, 2013, while holding the NASA Library of Congress Yeah, this is it. This is the thing that he worked on That certainly seems to be true. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, so it's him, but also Joe, it's not just Yes, it's been life-changing. And I also learned about structural evil in societies. Yeah, it was pretty weird. But I knew.

1:48:44 Like I do it in and of itself. I think biologically. I feel like that is a step that we're taking that seems inevitable, that seems biological limitations of the human mind. You know, I think Elon said it best, and you talked about it in this book, had a iphone 13 and i go why'd you get He goes, they gave it to me for free. And I was like, didn't you want a 15?

1:51:38 It does a lot of other stuff. And that always, if you're dealing with intelligence and you're dealing with technological evolution like there's, I was looking at this video And is that what we're doing? in the 1960s and if that's the case then it looks like Stephen's idea of the intelligence principles You know, we're afraid that it's going to be sentient and we're afraid, you know, she

1:54:17 She better be right. I'd rather hang out here in the Savannah. it's fascinating to watch people do that. It's fascinating and look at the Holocaust, you look at the horrific things that human beings are capable of when they're allowed to just run rampant. Bizarre, bizarre in its cruelty. Unbelievable. Horrific. And that seems to be evil. That seems to be evil personified. I think so. But I mean, I'm not afraid to say it. Right. It is a thing. Evil's a real thing. Like evil's real.

1:56:56 Human medical experiments on children. Which is also evil. we're going to follow. People aren't going to follow those rules, or they're going to follow Yeah. So I think, first of all, that there are a lot of different varieties of it. experiences where now what they want to do is they actually want to work for justice in different suggesting that I think is an out, this kind of structural injustice that we see. So I think that

2:00:33 Well, okay, so this is something that's very interesting. Yeah, if it's real. And so part of disclosure, the disclosure movement, is outsourcing this and trying to get as many people as possible to help in figuring it out. right the same way we would think of something from somewhere else yeah yeah so yeah that in There is that. So I was wondering, because David Grush does get his information from people in allegedly in the

2:04:49 So I don't know, Joe. Well, I would think that that's sort of like a little escape clause. planets is that also in the equation? I mean, just because something is I think so, especially because of the ways in which the materials are being manufactured off planet, and then also things that are coming here from other dimensions. So I thought it was strange that not only was he a person who was, you know, pre-engineered ARPANET, right?

2:09:36 And then he'd say something like, but Alan Hynek. They were friends. And they were both Rosicrucians, which is a form of, things like that. And so I included references. Everything I say in my books, by the way, And he had a lot of books on angels and fallen angels in that library. see that. And I was looking at it. I was like, wow. And then I looked at the other bookshelf,

2:12:57 I was like, wow. Yeah. Okay. Why do you think this information is getting released? We were the only ones. is because I just don't think that it's going to be a secret for very much longer. I would say that I'm simultaneously hopeful and horrified. I really appreciate it. All right, bye everybody.