Joe Rogan Experience #2100 — Cameron Hanes & Steven Rinella Transcript

Transcript

0:00 the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day And I took it to Ski's Jeweler, which has been in Eugene for 104 years. So it's kind of a They made the rubies, if you could hold it up for the camera so people could see it. So the last, I had that one from Scooby, the CH. I'm like, either one of them is I don't wear one anymore.

3:05 It's not like anyone comes and scams on me now. You can lift weights in them. Endless. I'm going to do that sometime. Dude, I'm going to take that little tip, it's just assumed its final form i wear it all the time i'm wearing it right now really one of the things we're going to do for protect our parks we've been talking about doing Just fangs for a lid

6:30 No, never did it. they just put a little diamond on it now Very macabre. They figured it out years later. He had a bit about George Washington and it's one of the funniest bits I've ever seen in They were set in lead. Just fucking hack. The price was 122 shillings. Having another dude's teeth in your mouth, too, is wild. Oh. You don't know. I would do that operation again in a heartbeat.

11:06 fucking agony for months at least weeks because they they have to saw what they do is they take So it's a part of your body. But it all fills in eventually. It's just flimsy. that it's like there's so much propaganda that that is good for you. And there's so much evidence that it's not. other food they eat do you understand how epidemiology studies work like when they you

13:34 What they're doing is just trying to come up with some biased interpretation of data that makes it seem more likely that meat is killing you. Yeah. If they're only looking for red meat, so they're asking you in these studies, like, how many You get these fries that are made in seed oil. or grass-fed beef and just fucking vegetables. Why are you blaming meat?

15:54 It was like, look, to your point, look at all that other shit, sugar and carbs. And of course they are. meaning someone, you know, if your general tendency is to be opposed to meat production certain agricultural But I'm sort of like, you know, Yeah, It's going to take some time. I know a guy that went through I can't tell you how I know but I could

19:26 Oh, my God. They kill everything that's in the ground when they're using the combines. if they're downwind, the other trees that are downwind will start producing a potent chemical that makes their leaves taste like shit Mm-hmm that make them taste bad so i've read How does the sound of caterpillars eating leaves change the chemical structure of these plants?

22:30 this like semi-sentient communicative plant that you're yanking it just can't move quick But at our place in Southeast Alaska, which is in the coastal rainforest, Well, there's also the renewable resource of bears. I'm like, how is that possible? has a house and then there's a small Put that on the sign. That one's a 1,000-year-old. North Downs in Surrey. So that's in England. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's exactly what it looked like. That one's a thousand-year-old.

25:36 No, that tree looks old. No, I understand that. It's like, I mean. We were in the redwood forest and there's a tree that you drive a car through. They didn't give a fuck. Yeah. ends you know like yeah we defend hunting till the end right that's our passion that's what we love this animal. I know how difficult it was to do this. I know how insane their life is, that this

29:45 What year was that? I don't remember that specific That's him. I think they boil it out too long, I think. And I remember when we were eating him over round immediately my brain starts spinning like okay this is what i do now i was like okay i found it i've taken quite a number of people on their first hunting trips i've never had i mean probably dozens

31:47 I want to go bow hunting. if you shoot every day like he'd been shooting throughout the summer i said if you shoot every There's no way to really like get it into their head how hard it is. There's a thing that happens when you're in a high-pressure situation that I recognize from martial arts and from a lot of other things, He like couldn't kill an elk.

34:29 That allows people to flinch and panic during these moments and he realized it's a difference between Yeah. You slide back and you don't even realize what's happening. I've seen people, there's so many videos online. Keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him. be conscious of keeping the pin on it through the shot. You know where people realize that they have a problem?

37:14 work out in our head the way we want them to. shot that's interesting thing between in talking to people that blow a shot with a rifle and talking remember your elbow, remember your elbow. that elbow goes up and then everything else sort of like takes care of itself you know and then i'll They black out. They really do. I think there's a part of your brain that, like, there's a part of your brain that Andrew Huberman talks about.

40:33 If you're a person who's, like, fucking gone to war, you know, maybe you've had, like, some crazy high-pressure job and you're 60, you probably got fucking ice water running through your veins by the time you're 60 years old. football at the highest level There's nothing like that moment when you're drawing and that thing is like in the field And now to me, it's just like making sure I'm steady and the shot's good.

42:06 You shoot things that people have to kill. like yes you know and they get out there and if you're an experienced person it's one of the You know, that's kind of similar to how people feel bow hunting elk for the first time. unbelievable even though all the shit that you've done this high level crazy stuff that there was a ring to fight mike tyson or whatever is in his thing you're also there's a thing where you can

45:08 Then I'll come back and then I'll tackle him. But isn't that also the case with bow hunters where you've been hunting your whole life hoping to see a two uh 200 inch buck And one day he just happens to have his bow in his car and sees it not anywhere he's supposed to hunt. And then the minute he kills it, it occurs to what he's done. thankful that derrick wolf never saw tom brady out of pizza then you know what i mean i could

48:11 shooters on the stand can i ask you real quick did you call them what were the names you use So I was there, had this, let's see,.300 Savage, just old gun, but 15 years old, doing the push. I don't even know how big it was, but it looked. Hell no. in this logging road felt like my arms were asleep they're tingling i'm like i didn't know if i could He'd have been like, give me that bow.

50:31 and you're kind of more seasoned, There's so much mental and physical and there's so many things that have to align. has the 80-pound pack because I threw in extra batteries and extra broadheads in case One time. I did. Well, it was fucking up on me. Yeah. It it was fucking up the rest wasn't dropping all the way and so like my arrow was don't want to fuck around with anything.

53:22 Right. which is still good. Whereas if you have a straight fletching, it's just going to pass through. And, you know, he's a really good hunter. That looks like a lot of fun, like bow hunting for fish. With a bow? Yeah, I know. Yeah. and look at the bottom of this lake, it looks like the bottom I mean, I got this from him. No, I like it. He uses a big ass fucking Rapala.

57:26 Defenders, the eight year effort to bring vegetation back to Lake Austin. We're, we used to, me and Roy used to be addicted to carp hunting. they couldn't get it that stink smell would go for five miles down the draw and then all the bear Yeah Yeah I think I encourage it. It's a dock. Let people fish you should talk to them they're your friends they're like wouldn't

59:59 Yeah. But your cast right there, which felt much more intimate and kind of creepy. is that some guy's gonna take a lead head jig and chip the paint chip the paint on the boat Yeah, and what are you doing That's what you do when it's new. I'm pretty sure that's how I think, you know? Oh. Like pulling into the back wall. fucking hard. I have that locked

1:03:42 goes off. And you could set it to like two three pounds whatever And then when I switched releases, then I'm like, oh, that's definitely the most. Like if you fall, you're not falling like this. locked but then never mind i mean i'm not saying you know it's so there's a very i'm anything but That doesn't make any sense to me. seem crazy no no well you see cam do it cam he gets his fucking thumb behind his head and the

1:06:56 like this, and that's where it started. Here's what we got. And we all have still trigger releases. We had a shooting contest all in the Xs. But he's like, when you're looking at a target, like if you're practicing in your yard, you can do it right. and then you like leaning forward and pull like he gets it in his head modern stuff yeah modern I know guys that wore a groove

1:09:13 Yeah. In my range, And I've killed a lot of animals doing it. the game of chess to me, where I was like, that's pretty cool. wise guy yeah that's a good one too because it's hot yeah you're not yanking on it and pulling it Well, I use a thumb trigger now. found especially like hunting at tohono you know how windy it gets up there in those canyons when you're trying to punch as it drifts over you can't do it

1:11:51 So to me, But once they rise up to the target, like, yeah, everything starts getting shaky. to want to sit just left so i can still look and then i got to go like now i'm going to bring it You just put that pin right where it is. I'm like, what the fuck? You just practiced. And you did a photo with that. It's a dumb change because it only makes it more effective.

1:14:28 to, like, play the technology game Yeah. there's a lot of guessing. that's really fantastic is Like you just pull it up and you got your pins. What they'll say is the primitive integrity of archery. and then you develop a level of resistance. In the end, if you look where it's gone in the end, they made the right call. and my 80-year-old dad, I can't give them a radio

1:17:32 Or that every water hole would have 50 different dudes that have trail cams over that water. And then people have been like, but I want a recovery dog. where you can't find it, and they make a gradual correction well that's also the first step they do to outlaw mountain I don't know. was like fixed blade forever because at home i couldn't even And we'd been doing it and now they have this, you know, they fight back on that.

1:21:21 Yeah. then because that's just all guesswork yeah a large part of it cam already alluded to this a I don't want to say negligible, but in comparison, number is is uh just generally an archery elk hunter what has a 10 chance of success yeah just Well, it certainly is for you. You know what's crazy? this recluse lived up in the mounds and not boogie nights. No, not boogie nights. No,

1:24:54 Shooter. shot out of this gun um had the wind gauge up there and i'm like okay the wind's going here that when I was a kid, you didn't know you could shoot. Well, now everybody has shooting sticks and, you know, It was like you had a sling. well no i don't think they would they would approach it a different way And states will regulate muzzleloaders down to whether you have powder, so loose powder pellets.

1:28:19 really nitpick your gear right right down to weird stuff that you'd have to that you could have people not That they would somehow regulate laser range finders. You do all the calculations on your phone. bastard yeah i honestly haven't heard i've heard everything i haven't heard that so that's yeah i Well, there's so many people with Instagram accounts.

1:31:10 And, you know, we all get blamed for a lot of ills that probably we don't deserve in regard to hunting. to where it was going there'd be no hunters from 2015 to 2024 it's like It was a whatever the hell, a diagram or something. Yeah. you told me once that blew me away was at one point in time the richest man in the country say mountain lion mountain lion yeah right well all good they say mountain lion bobcat and then

1:34:55 the the attempt to create trophy hunting as a legal term when you have a ballot measure It was like forcing, it was should the state, does the state need to implement a reintroduction So is this a trophy or is it an emblem or what the hell is it? Yeah. I mean, we've only been since the 1990s. people just to be a hundred consumers, relying on the government

1:38:02 government wants people they can control that'll be afraid when they're supposed to be afraid wear this mask when we tell you get this hunting consumption eating whatever and there's a conflict here where by doing this you're going serious hunters there is a there's a trend there you know the thing that that that bothered me She even came to believe in hindsight that the,

1:41:10 they're not like for example they talk about trophy hunting lions to mountain lions to hunt Every night after five, you call in to see what the, where we're at. I don't know. as far as control and think about that quota system if you have a horrific snowstorm that Yeah. What's the thing that we should talk about when it comes to these reintroduction of predators?

1:43:57 instagram i'm always like holy shit look at that thing they're majestic um but their numbers have But when it comes to this game of reintroduction of animals, the first step is they say there's a carrying capacity for the amount of wolves. They're fucking amazing. But hunting wolves is insanely difficult. It's really hard to do. don't think we could even really fathom it so our thought is people are just

1:46:19 after the delisting, that didn't happen. I'm talking about in Montana. that are managed as a renewable They're not going to shoot them into oblivion. and there's no regulation on them, better but right now they're like we're gonna lose 50 of elk we're gonna lose 75 of elk this generally urban areas that don't have any understanding of what they're even voting on.

1:48:49 They guide people to hunt grizzlies. to go wolf hunting like what a piece of shit you are yeah you're going to hunt wolves the fuck is Right. Not under this, their governor now. africa where there's no hunting you're just out taking pictures that's what they want colorado With no hunting, you don't need guns. You wind up with tell you that they don't actually do that.

1:52:26 It helps the disease transmission. Well, it's also, like we were saying, it's almost indefensible to someone who's an anti-hunter. I don't want to shoot a wolf. I took the thing of highest value to me. you told me it's delicious. Yeah. I don't believe that. My friend Buck Bowden's eaten wolf. What did Buck Bowden say it tastes like? with this knife

1:55:26 bear. meat. And this is the full package. diver ducks, which people normally say they taste like shit because they eat the stuff It just depends on how much work you want to put into it. but i would you know i would i would go into it be like i'm gonna try it just because i want to The wildest thing about coyotes is it doesn't work. That does not mean that you cannot done in a timely fashion.

1:58:11 Yeah. I now and then get suckered into doing an interview. Or is he having a derby as a management tool? and it's legal i kill it every i killed one this year i'm i'm always trying to my personal thing what happens now, like in Oregon, where they outlawed running lions with dogs is if you kill That's kind of what happens. didn't see an old male lion. Houndsmen are the one that originally pushed for lion regulations yeah they were pushing for lion regulations when no one was paying any attention

2:02:01 It's true. I studied under Dan. gone from a hundred years ago yeah where they were primarily in the southwest and in the west i remember them coming into our area like i was a red fox trapper and we didn't have coyotes i remember the first coyote i ever saw and now Dogs and cats get killed by coyotes constantly. Like, they also keep the population of things down that you don't want.

2:04:54 it. now uh i mean i used to sell them now i got saved up maybe 10 of them how many do you need for a Beautiful. But they drive. They drive a car a car well that was my favorite i talked about that on stage last night the fucking stop oil people that block the highway with their fucking paint on their sign Yeah. like why has it become bad why is it so much better to take the fur off it's weird it's weird the skin itself is leather and that's fine but if you leave the fur

2:07:12 And I take all the antlers, the hide. yeah, yeah, I am. Yeah. I'd be like, I'm all kinds of hunters. Yeah. Well, you know, vulnerable so two things started happening to me during that. Like in Texas, you don't even and then give it to someone else. Yeah. That's your ass. They'll reject the purchase and not go after the person. people talking about trying to close the gun hole loopholes

2:10:33 Right. that's just how it works. don't. And most of the ones a lot of them that don't. Maybe that's what I'm— in the field. So it's one of those weird areas where you see a real reversal of a time-honored tradition, that has like a dark red meat. is like watching a folding lawn chair hit the ground. Yeah. Well, why would you say hunters though? He's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

2:13:47 of being a public person as anytime they do something, Yeah. Yeah, there's shitty comics that try to tell people what they can and can't joke about. There's not a single one that's exceptional. comic that other comics seek I try the best I can to get them more famous. your mind, like almost everything else, it's complicated. You have to manage it in your mind

2:16:16 Every time. I'm like, yeah. He's the best. And so with this and their own thought processes. is it john stallone man i know we had dan gates join us at a live show and he's we got him uh And it's just they're leading the fight. at numbers of followers or things like that but they're making an impact and so i've been trying Nobody likes a bitch. be changed inside of you to fuel and it will make you a better person. It'll make you better at what

2:20:09 growing from each other. I've added. I started listening to my recordings and doing this afterwards. When I get home, Yeah, now we all learn from each other. I hate that feeling. But you got to go, oh, you little bitch. I pull it out right away. and you fuck up all the time, and you're always drunk, That thought can benefit you. That feeling of comparing yourself and coming up short,

2:23:07 They're almost at the top of the game, still trying to get better based on feedback from other comics. Like, this is what we do. You can't be here. There's a thousand of us On planet Earth, So a lot of guys would say, oh, she's just getting this because she's got her tits out or whatever. The thing about comedy is if you're not funny, we find out real quick.

2:25:45 Right. Like you don't care. Yeah I remember that. Because what he was saying was true. Like it's a part of the natural banter that men have when they get together. someone pointing out that for a the nice thing. There's less funny women, a woman with very strong political she's hot He's funny looking. impacting you yes yeah but you have to have that ability to do that this is going to get around

2:31:25 didn't affect you and then now here it is on your doorstep there's also a thing about hunters where You're not assassinating them. It's not them doing something. You know, it's not like there's just one. like an enormous animal, You know, I was talking to a friend of mine who was a guide and he was furious because this guy who is this well-known hunter shot a mule deer and it was a beautiful mule deer but it was only

2:34:01 Just a buck. I don't even – no one measures – I shouldn't say no one. I mean, it's like I don't hate the- if someone shot a real stomper i might be like what does that do like what did it what did it But I said, Joe, I've never heard Joe talk about a score of something or he didn't want to kill it. I'm going to eat that. and like that's the truth people can turn it into whatever they want yeah they're wrong i'm like

2:36:35 I mean, I'll take the shitty ones too, because I'm looking to get out all the time. i killed that spike bull that i talked about earlier that was warehouser timber company land We need food when we're there. Oregon sucks hunting wise compared to other states. It like I wonder if I could hunt Wyoming put in I started with the shittiest hunting you can get and the shittiest state to hunt.

2:38:47 Is that where? Yeah. I can't go there. you can get a general tag and go to public land and hunt. I think it's amazing. But you're also Like I've talked to guys that have had situations where they know that they are downwind or they're upwind rather. In the most wild places. before it's, you know, light and you're out there waiting. So I'd park like half a mile back and

2:43:00 I've never been in a fence. I don't even know what the hell it'd do. There's predators around. Wow. But even if he did, you know, that's like the fuck. that's like natural habitat occasion to debate I just don't really think about it no it's a collision of animal it's a collision of husbandry and animal husbandry. You're going in the mountains. I mean, nobody could argue that it's incredible elk hunting.

2:46:09 Yeah. and you're eating everything You can think that if you like. But if you do it and you go morning and you're doing it again. And the idea that somehow or another that's cheating. You can think that if you like. her yeah like you couldn't i mean when it was like a ball of fur dude and she comes squirt well dogs it's uh it was insane but it's uh yeah i was gonna that story reminds me of, you said the flock shooting.

2:48:18 He's like, well, I shot over some and I shot under some. And then I killed, I went into the White River, kind of the, we used to call it the White River Swamp, here they would just they would go to the farm but when i did get that fawn deer which i killed I've gotten a handful. but every year like i've gotten some big coos here and i've never all the coos here i've killed on

2:51:15 that kills a big bull with a rifle, You're like, whoo! It was a lot of huffing there's a and the bull literally ran 30, 40 yards and piled up, rifle, I'd still be pumped. It's a beautiful bull. There's all these little factors that, like, any accomplishment, there's all these little any better than this no you introduce something to this thing that you love you have deep passion

2:54:26 And it was then we, you know, of course, packed it out as a steep logging unit. But it was just that experience. So it's. figure out how to do this someday and then i watch your show i gotta be here in case he plays fred i'll be like oh my god it's a horrible idea on the other hand i'm like dude yes like that's all And then some people are going to sit and be like, eh, I'm not, you know, I don't have it in me to really figure this hard-ass thing out.

2:57:19 how they learn. They get out there, they do it themselves. And then they're like, God, well, it. Yeah. There's a few places people will teach you how to do it. It's not the new school, but that's in it. But that's so valuable where someone can take you through the whole process. And that's great, right? And get where you're good at these spots and these things,

3:00:29 whitetail hunter that hunts out of a tree stand they're a really good archer but they're used to You have to be capable of making it to – you're not going to sit in a tree stand. And I realized I knew nothing about fishing. to his line. Oh, that guy. Yeah, that was crazy. I didn't really get that. You see the fish. Oh, thermals. It's not regulated.

3:03:28 I think it's just not disallowed. glassing those big, huge logging units and finding deer is an art. and be like nope hop back in the car and roll out yeah i don't know and he's like i can't believe And he goes, yeah. Set up a target at 80 yards and show you. Yeah, there's some countries over there that didn't have it. you're like, well, that's not as effective.

3:05:45 It's like there's so many things about it that are just, it's more difficult to do. Do you support spear hunting? that people could hunt with a spear, I would probably generally say, okay, because I don't think that this is going to be a thing that reduces opportunity. done it. Um, I can't,'t i wouldn't can't picture getting into But yeah, it wasn't going to have an impact on the population.

3:08:25 was a kid you had to go down to the local sporting goods store and staple your picture up to the If you're down at the local sporting – that's only hunters pretty much saying that. You know, where you'll show photos of the hunt then you'll show the meat you know you'll show harvesting the meat cleaning the is it necessary? I don't, I don't care if people do it. I just want them to think about

3:10:47 That's all part of the journey. that might be seven days of 10 hour days. Yeah. also a part of it like this is not easy and it's often unsuccessful and i was always you know and ditch it like we were gonna make something out of it Well, you just go. You have to have push it a little far and get dinged what And at some level it gets elevated. I remember.

3:15:17 prolonged suffering hunting videos where the moment of kill or injury is I do it for my lift, run, shoot and my podcast. So they, for people like me, or for like us for having like a picture of process i feel that it's pretty um if you if you compare it to other channels of distribution i have not found youtube to be like dramatically over restrictive especially compared to any kind of

3:18:03 And then they did get it overturned it took That's a successful hunt. That's what you're trying to do to pretend that's not what you're and no blood comes out. Being injured. which created the sense that maybe nothing. They'd get dinged for like a bone sticking out of a backpack. days it's like i sometimes look back and be like it was just shocking that that wasn't

3:22:21 You never read an article where they talked about how they process the meat or ate it. the forks on the freaking moose yeah so it's like that was the best decision ever because it addresses like my mom was happy because you've got 37 pounds. It's probably all we got off that deer. So you'd get, like, get like really like involved and make some But, yeah, you can find everything we do on YouTube.

3:24:46 It's like I am honored to be here and have a podcast with Steve. it's changed my life. Bye, everybody.