Joe Rogan Experience #2113 — Christopher Rufo Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. there's now this dramatic reversal. Because guess what? When you let people shoot up heroin through Oakland, for example, it doesn't seem like anybody's trying to put a cork on that. It says, the measure makes the possession of small amount of drugs such as heroin or of those being illegal. And when you add in heroin and methamphetamine to something that we are already accustomed

2:54 You say, is this drug correlated with extreme social pathology? And especially if you look at the cities, it's wrecked these cities. some guardrails. going on and I could stay out late all night. or things that they enjoy doing on a regular basis Don't you want it to be as enjoyable as possible? every day on your way to school. It particularly insane.

6:55 Walking. And they say, oh, well, you know, we have to be compassionate to our houseless neighbors. within reasonable limits. And for us... Minor attracted persons. Yes. Um, I saw two politicians in two different speeches I mean, the end is, it's not polite to say, That's like, should be a red flag for people, Do you want to talk about sex with other people's

10:00 There's no reason. And I find it- It applies to like people have Android phones, People use Windows computers, shit on people use Apple computers. Yeah, that's she's not dressing like a teacher. Yeah, this is crazy. What is she doing? Homophobic, you're right. You're far right extremist and you're locked in with KKK education system, the blind spots that people have towards how Marxism works, even especially like during the time

13:35 I'm just gonna get bit by- fucking rabies kills everybody! It's like one lady who Because she was just completely immobile gulags, mass suppression, and so on. I mean, it's probably such a horrific disease here, is you have an ideology that seeks conquest. There's no culture. we're blessed with this country to have a much more robust system and history,

16:36 FOMENT Revolution and the Buffalo Public Schools curriculum. And that's why you're seeing kids today that grow up with this version of the society and who the founding fathers are. It's literally like a movie. and none of these people exist that are teaching these things, none of these people exist in the world They're just not. The kids go to Princeton and they get two years with the Marxist whack job and then

19:38 Is that democratic governance? When the bureaucracy rules and it's pushing ideology against the will of the majority Like you see it with DAs, This idea that someone- that find what at the here I'll send you an article you could tell me if that it's All this effort to let people out of jail no cash bail criminals, and just let them lose to victimize everybody else, raise everyone's anxiety,

22:57 And there's no effort whatsoever put on that. here are the ones that we don't tolerate, The lesson is that it is actually a vanishingly small number of people that commit the large to talk about, but I think that that is ending they elected a Republican city attorney, Well, they can when G.G. and Ping comes to town. You almost have to respect it. You almost have to respect it.

25:34 for all fast food restaurants to $20 an hour, February 28th Bloomberg reported that bakery chain Panera would be exempt from California's fast food minimum wage law after all on February 28th Bloomberg reported that bakery chain Panera would be exempt from Sell it as a standalone item calling the report absurd So where's the initial report? You really can't do that if you're running a financial paper. It's not like the New York

27:51 Okay, no worries. We'll subscribe. We owe you Bloomberg. But there must be something to insincere enough that smart people recognize it, but that like really I love that he keeps getting busted too. of people. Obama was like the best example of what we have to offer, like this team is our team no matter what like we're all in I'm a fucking Locations nascent wide that produces for sale bread as a standalone menu item does not count as fast food

31:30 played a role in the law and even suggested the exemption would not actually apply to Okay. So how would they not be exempt? The provision exempting restaurants that make and Interesting. But that my God. Interesting. The opposite. Snopes has done a fact check on my work that actually got debunked. And then they reverse course. that you were making is really instructive

33:48 out there to kind of stammer for a couple minutes, say the talking points and get out. feeling it was you, you know? And is there ever been a worse White House Press Secretary? It's Yeah, and you know she's just awful at it and and she's only really challenged by one person right in the briefing room Yeah. You can't fire that person because of incompetence.

36:29 And then another reporter and I obtained the plagiarism Yes. Calling for the genocide of Jews would that violate Harvard's policy? dozens of passages in her PhD thesis. But your motto for the last, you know, three, four hundred years has been veritas, truth. And we have this competing set of values. I thought you were talking, I was here. Yeah. And there's been a very, very big reaction since then of people realizing how insane

40:35 that makes it a hate crime to not use someone's preferred gender pronouns, this is not going It's everywhere. the gender studies program, and then we said, you know, we're not going to comply with these ridiculous pronoun rules. And it's like, oh. That's where they'd like it to go. of cash up, and then you work them up the chain to a bigger Let me give you this beautiful St. Christopher Medal

43:53 Ratings. Ratings. But what it's not driving, unfortunately, is a substantive kind of international peace. And it's like, now the highest concern is trans? No. I don't think I would be funding universities to continue insane policies. She was somewhere, might've been Berkeley. violence. it was the evergreen state of Florida. Especially because non-binary is fake.

47:22 It's a strategy. A hundred percent. student protests, death threats, You're at this, blah, blah. in that moment is that the people who have created little We have a serious job to do. I think so too. so unhinged. Yeah. The drag queen comes in with a position of status, they say very clearly, and very clearly, they say, And so we have people that have no sense of responsibility.

53:01 should be demolished and they should be replaced by ideological communities. I mean, assessing your own situation. That's over. They can go down the wrong road and not be able it's not helping anybody and math scores because too many people aren't graduating. Yeah, it's really impressive when someone knows a lot of stuff out of life without hard work. It's just, you'll be anxious, you'll be depressed, you'll feel lost,

56:46 It's how you become a human being. And people, look, I'm in that world of words, ideas, publication. It's a pretty easy life in some ways, right? They're super hard. Everything that you do vanishes in 10 seconds. part of some mimetic ideology. And when you try to wipe away all, all, all existing values as somehow oppressive or racist or patriarchal, you're dooming people

59:38 Yeah. That's scary because that's the opposite of where we expect. And these are ironically the same people that don't want anybody to be armed. Like, this is a recipe for a civil war. It's a recipe for chaos. By the way, all white kids. And it was like right after the George Floyd riots, Cause this is only gonna get worse. And if I was in another country, I'd be fucking pumped.

1:03:28 trans military person was saying we should all Now it's an important part of our community? Are we ignoring facts and statistics? If you know that someone is a bipolar schizophrenic and you got them working on a gun range, she'd say, hey, Harry, we just pulled your file, and they got stuck in a man's body and I think that's real and I think that's always happened. But, but, when you make that more powerful than just being a normal person, more preferable

1:05:51 women's locker room with an erection and everyone's supposed to ignore that. Like what do you female college athletes, you're jeopardizing scholarships manipulating it. You should certainly consider the possibility that he's a assess whether it actually is kind of a real threat or not, predators unless that sexual predator identifies as a group that has a social hierarchy above

1:08:38 And that it's not stopped immediately. and that's the last thing you want. I used to have this idea that, oh, you oh, there's a concept of fuck you money. They're scared to tell the truth. And it's so strange for me for, you know, You don't know shit about the pre-internet days? So they know, like, oh my God, she told me to the idea that you have no privacy,

1:11:50 like submit to a social credit score system, which you would attach to a centralized digital Not using Zezer and all of a sudden you get hit with a federal charge of not using Zezer, not using Zezer and all of a sudden you get hit with a federal charge of not using Zezer and now you are being tried for discrimination. Civil Rights Division following up, for refusing to use Zezer pronouns.

1:13:18 Maybe you'll get deposed or subpoenaed for your records and texts and documents. of China's West and they're ruled by the Han Chinese who comprise the majority of the country. And we have in a much milder form, You have to get in the arena of politics. We were promised liberty and equality. wins in all these little areas, that social credit system that you're talking about, it's

1:16:54 sees this Trump real estate thing that just happened where he got fined $365 million. It's negotiation. But also, real estate pricing in general is a strange thing to say that's fraud because a crazy thing to say in a place that has the most expensive real estate on earth. Republicans in 2024. But you have a bureaucracy that is dead set against him. And the rhetoric

1:19:27 Is it the American people who get to decide by their vote who represents them in the government? And so as someone who I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, democracy as we've traditionally known it, electing a president through a vote of the people, and worked with some of the parent groups Fine. by any means necessary, wouldn't you stop Hitler? Well, you know what Joe Biden could do?

1:23:08 Actually, no. what that means. No, that's not what that means, even a little bit. driven and they have blinds, blinders on for sure. I don't think Sonny's dumb, it's nothing there. MSNBC viewers are probably also thinking No idea. Yeah, exactly. It's like It's fun. leftist, she had kids and then the riots and COVID and all the chaos. Dude, I lived in Topanga Canyon for a year.

1:26:52 and we're checking out the kitchen and all this stuff. I gotta sign up on the list man But one thing I want to tell you is like, we all like to get together and play tennis Like if I live next door to my buddy, Maybe this would be fun, but you're going to let us use What are you saying? I lived next to a guy. like housewives down in the palisades. naked.

1:29:25 And there was like a peaceful, hippied out California culture that was fine. groomers movement. That's nuts. That's not what it's about. It's about introduced and it's a very specific age group. It's about introducing And, but for low information, viewers of the view, Yeah, it's like, yeah, there's, yeah. And then setting them up with the hormone clinics.

1:32:22 There's been such a politicization and radicalization of gender theory in schools. they would like to teach their kids about these controversial issues, just take it off And so unless we want to have an all out fight all the time over these issues, like why is this back to people in their personal lives. It is super reasonable. We're taking it totally off the table.

1:34:47 I'm sorry, but I had good teachers growing up. about biological sex or gender or homosexuality I don't want any of that shit. it. Also, how much are you screening these drag queens? Well, not enough. Totally. or whatever they do, it's a possibility that's when I think reasonable people say no. just making sure that I comply. And that is a slippery slope, kids, because you might

1:38:17 personal behavior and how people are allowed to communicate. University system, our federal budget. That's how it works. You have a military budget and a federal budget more broadly that is running, you know, a their families, for their careers, for whatever they're working on. towards a big shift. civil society as much as you can. But we don't live in that world anymore. We have a massive

1:42:33 to protect the average person. for how that could be accomplished? You see, you saw it with Joe Biden. But it's always been part of the political process. You've been through it. one negative to positive stories in the press. And so he won a very narrow election his first time. You have to say, you have to make prudent decisions, you have to protect the people

1:46:33 But until you get through that barrage, I don't think that you're free at all. and to summon them to courageous action to fix it. Because as we get people who have have changed dramatically in the last few years. People are scared. this is kind of dangerous and that there's real urgency involved here. This could really it's coming from China, it's coming from all over the place.

1:49:30 And it's... And that's a, you know, A, B, Z, 2, 2, 2, 1, 5, 6. I mean, with the ubiquitous use of chat GPT of foreign operators. It's like not persuasive at all. That's probably the bigger factor. to successfully counter those statements exists too. in favor of blocking hate speech. That's what free speech is supposed to be all about. purchasing that platform.

1:53:36 They're removed from the town square. And I say, what, you don't have to like the guy, you don't have to agree with the guy. there's a lot of drugs involved as well. Yeah, but he was certainly playing a character that had good points And there was a lot of fuck you with that guy. criticizing the new all-female cast of Ghostbusters And people were tweeting it at her and they were blaming him and

1:56:40 prime example that I always throw in the face of people who it's usually for religious reasons who are unwilling to Humpback, huh? the point is that like that guy's gay, right? And he claims that he was the Yeah. you should be banned from social media platforms. I have no fucking dog in this race. I don't, you know, I don't know. was banging all the high school football kids

1:59:51 That's all it is. You have to get her out there. issue is not with him. The issue is with the man who did that to him. Right? And I think that became a problem because once it became effective, then they became emboldened. The government, I mean. If you say that Operation Northwoods was a document drawn up and signed by the Joint some conspiracies are real.

2:02:47 And he's out there. I mean, he's an out there personality. What is this fucking ABC after school movie? So it's like all of this stuff at a certain point in time needs to be out there. that they would be boiling in lava. adds texture and Rick richness to our, even if they're totally wrong. right and then on the left, you have a graph that looks about like this. And so you have

2:05:39 gets us to this uncomfortable point. to be persuaded and the view is not correct, but the broader culture suffers when everyone and even the WEF kind of thinking, We all have superstitions. You know, be respectful of all the rules, age 7 to 11, and we lived in a super gay neighborhood. Our down stories, stairs neighbor used to, these gay guys that Was like, what do you care?

2:09:37 a sudden I was in Gainesville, Florida. And I was around this guy. I was angry that gay or constraints becomes the dominant policymaking regime. That works when it's a counterculture. Italian relatives, they were all unreconstructed Gramscian communists. And so that was my political formation. banker. And my, by then kind of center left views, which was, oh, you know, the great society,

2:13:06 people's lives and then how politics affects them. And you realize that the project of they're no longer just destroying, you know, let's use some of the skills that I've developed as a filmmaker. I'm not a traditional conservative, are sometimes articulated poorly, but there's some deep truths that need to be resurrected They have zero curiosity about it.

2:15:43 The voice that really is voiceless of the left, some of the maneuvers and some of my activist work, which I think has been I want to take all of those people who are selling a bill of goods to the people ideology that supposedly supports you, it's doing it for its own means. express it. But what you've built, and I think it's a testament to the possibilities of the internet,

2:19:17 And the people that are talking about these things aren't even necessarily interested Because it's for you too. It's for everybody that we can't let this happen. And I don't wanna see either side are on the bad side, you don't consider that these are just human beings that think about It's just like that's not good for anybody. It's like everyone in their corner, everyone's trying to make the play.

2:22:17 It's not that hard to do. Thanks for having me. America's Cultural