Joe Rogan Experience #2114 — Zack Snyder Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience Okay awesome And 300 Okay awesome my all-time favorite movies. The Watchmen, which I fucking love, and 300. right and I I thought the for I thought I would do another I thought I would do So I think that's still out there, but I always, you know, for a long time I had that, who was one of the producers, And I literally just opened it up, and I go,

2:36 It was exactly the same time as Troy. We ended up going for one shot outside for this, It was too expensive. That was a low-budget movie, you know, we couldn't get it. Wow. That's crazy, yeah. I was supposed to do I am Legend, Was that one of the first movies that was ever shot the same, it's literally the same technology, you know, as a, as a, because look, that easily

5:31 Yeah, like the baby Rorschach, yeah. you know where he bites the kid's face, was a prostitute, right? wanted the mother to be topless in that scene and they were like, nah, like you can't have and it's Imagine asking your ex-wife to play a terrible prostitute who slaps their son and says, At the time probably, now I think we could. Zero CGI on the body real really good. We didn't have the money honestly so many people

8:22 like train actors for a movie, like they're all fakers, they're all liars. And I was like, look, you, you will You had to be in some shape, a teeny bit of shape. A couple guys came to us, they were pure actors, but 90% had some shape. So they came in with like, and Jerry had had more time. And Jerry trained with his own guy. Jerry didn't train with Mark.

10:20 At least. some people, some people just don't, they don't like that, you know. Especially You know, I was always, I was like an athlete. him and it was like this weird, I'd be like this is awesome. And like we went to the Olympia, like he took us to the Olympia in New York City. But of course, I was also painting. and like starved to death. And he's like this, he's like six in his early sixties,

13:45 was like, I have an idea for a workout. And they'd say like, hey, can you come and look at me you know I Mm-hmm trainer like right pure aesthetic, you know, he's just going for a look seen everything, you know, he just like okay Oh yeah, exactly. the way his muscles attach is like crazy like you can't well he was probably one I think in San Francisco and he said like he goes I come from Italy. I like I

16:02 you know what, the skin's not there. With him just relaxing, like backstage, They'll do dosages that no one will do and so like it's cool to to say like okay if you want to know what? They do die, but it's not like you'd expect it kills He's really suffered, unfortunately, Ronnie. discs as well because it's an unnatural sort of unit now instead of having three pieces

18:15 Leaps and bounds. But then I started developing some like real chronic problems. it's always like, okay, is your car ready to get on the track? Don't just say oh fuck it off. I'm gonna show up with the flu and I'm gonna go seven rounds. No, don't do that So when you're doing a film like 300 and you're getting these guys prepped for this It's a great, like pro athletes.

20:54 a fucking movie. We were just in Greece this summer too. And it was cool because we were And I was like, yeah, I, I... It was a cool swing, but it was... Dude, Leonidas is what every man wants to be. magical but also Right, right. They were a tool. in their basic genetic makeup or in their about like, you know what's awesome is that Like that's crazy.

24:47 that are literally changing the world through democracy if someone says like, what kind of a warrior that was completely warlike and had these tenants that were just unbendable. and the Kryptea would come down and just kill hellots whenever they wanted. And then they would have this like, And the Spartan warriors who guarded the table he was everything to you.

27:26 But like there's like a story Like let's go get them. Yeah. We'll see. they would have to shave the head of your bride That's so insane. but like you, as far as your procreation was going, no, we got, we got a fucking workout A lot of times, you know, soldiers like why? Like there's no why, but like if you're, we don't play with that aspect of, you know, in war. We try not to anyway, we don't, of course, in our modern society, we don't play with that aspect of,

31:02 Yeah, a little bit. World War IV has fought with rocks. Oh yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Yeah, let's see if we can go get it, you know, not yet. Not yet and kill all our communication systems. But now we're like oh shit our computers are fried. So it's like a whole different. Yeah Yeah, we don't we built like our house of cards like pretty pretty pretty quickly too and the foundations the weakest part

34:21 He's not gonna, you can't do anything to him. That cloud is in fucking Cleveland. Oh, it's in the cloud. My family, my dog, they're all in heaven. Yeah. archive a film print of all my movies because the digital storage of movies, if you ask It's a crazy thing. Don't worry about Zach. It's in the cloud It's so crazy. And if you had to start from scratch, imagine stumbling upon some ancient Egyptian hard

37:04 Do I see it? What is loud? Do I see it? I'm like, well, the needle kind of bounces up and down I can, I just explained that to you. and it sounds amazing, there's all this sound. What a world that we live in Yeah, it's it's fucking nuts man. It's nuts That's particularly ridiculous. He goes, if I was 8% body fat, I'd kill myself. He's like, I'm up here on the ragged edge so I can give you this information back.

39:58 So give me some, give me a little, give me a little, you know, of the, give me a little I test my body constantly. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying is that like you can... Widely considered to be the greatest jujitsu coach ever. Oh really? He's here. He's a professor Well, he's a very strong guy. and reviewing techniques, and creating the next workout

42:30 Well, you're not gonna train as hard today. Yeah, it looks like you're saying like we yeah They they can they're like I'm learning this I can learn something that I had no access to absolutely zero access You can get good at jujitsu. Yeah, it's better to have private instruction You just have to go to the mountains. And I was like well you should come back cuz I'm just this is kind of cool

44:51 And so I started doing some pottery, right? Much more productive. like, yeah, like I'm like fuck. Yes 8-10 hours a day. You can't see the hours. That's what does it when you see the hours when you see like a total number of hours I was fucking every day. Well, I saw that you're, like, Some kid mm-hmm and he beat him and I was like that makes me happy on the racing

47:15 Their response time is so much faster than anybody else's. The GT3 car looks amazing and then the Formula One car like, no way, that's not real. No. That's the... Oh, the right is the GT3 car. So these are just GT3 cars. That's the... Like, you know, look at that but you can send my daughter. of like Formula One, like a car. You feel like we would just be like drinking the Kool-Aid of that so hard

50:07 And you get to like invest in a personality. and root for them and feel the journey, And it's real fighting. Yeah. Like these guys suddenly are like. And guys have gone from that show to become world champions. Absolutely, which is wild No chance. It's zero chance. I did the they like Clydesdale 9-11 tribute spot And then he's behind you with this pitching wedge and he takes a full swing and cuts it. If he

53:29 they said these guys are good. going to play with a golf ball and they throw him the ball. The ref throws the golf ball Oh, and then the PGA was like, well, we don't want to look I'm like holy shit, and he's like how's that? I'm like how's that? I didn't even play golf and I could appreciate it. he's, you know, top of the ninth, two outs, So what we did was we got this super long tee, right?

56:10 Like, you know, he got fined by the PGA. And he was super mad that he got fined. Like I thought, you know, he's like the sweetest guy. This there's this fucking guy who does this step in move. Look at this kid. with that amount of backswing, is awesome that's where they're at could be, there's balls that do that. That's wild. completely out of our minds and it was just you know and like whatever product we'd be like, okay I'd be pitching the guys be like, what are we doing next?

59:35 Like I spent 10 years, you know, like the 10,000 hours thing. it wasn't like I stepped on a set. Like, more so than I probably should have been. Because like we were halfway through, And I was so scared of like going over budget I'm going to just go. Like he goes, you, he goes, I know you know what's cool. Genre though you can explore like philosophy you can explore

1:02:54 is he not like an invention, To us primitive brains trying to figure out what the where we are like you make a guy like Superman so he can answer some of those questions Why do I feel helpless in the face of technology or whatever? and how they've landed on pop culture is that like, You know like it's not I mean you look at rebel moon. You're like, okay. Well, there's not a lot. It's not it's not

1:05:14 There's a lot of stuff I don't like. Because you're unreasonably successful. Long-form comments or what a lot of articles are yeah, it's the same thing exactly Yeah. As it would be. Listen, first, you're out of your fucking mind if you go to a Taylor Swift That is a line in that movie. And especially amongst like really wild hardcore fans because there's hardcore

1:08:08 It's not like, if I made a romantic comedy, It's morning noon and night, but so for those guys it's hard to go back to like, you wanna, And they go like, well don't put him in a situation Well, for a lot of people it is. In the comic book. He's like got this kid it's that test they put Kirk through And the famous thing with Captain Kirk is he went and hacked the machine and made it

1:11:41 He has to maintain this God like status. And that's what the cool Lay down his gun. What's he gonna do like it's the guy says to him. I'll do it. I swear it Got into the same place I have with the characters where they need to test them to like and I feel like the characters it's been my experience that the characters have not I mean, just think of the name.

1:13:54 I know. We've got so many different interesting characters out there. And he's like, I'm rich. But I think that and that that is the thing, I mean, not to that extent, So like, he's literally almost like, you know, 6'6", like that's Batman to me. Mean so I'm not being rude Giant in the car in in some of the like in in dark night returns and in in Frank's comics and like you know in the classics

1:16:46 So like that weird, like you, you want it to not be Not just there you wish it was there I'm talking something way crazy is a common, that's a real thing. That's a way to deal with trauma. You know, and I The thing about Batman, the modern versions of Batman, For me, that's why there wasn't. fucking save some people, do some crime fighting and now I'm fucking ready to go. You know, like that to me was like, that was like, that as a superhero movie as a concept

1:19:52 We're like all those things with land, you know, like all that deconstructive with the morality of comic book heroes within comic books. and I wanted to be a comic book illustrator. He ruined it for my friend John DeVore, And then there was this other guy named Kevin, who in our class was also like really good and all of us wanted to be comic book But you want, oh, so what I was gonna say was that like,

1:21:54 I bought a copy of Heavy Metal, whoever sold it to me. to Heavy Metal. Because basically the deal I made with Netflix was they said I and for like, viewership, So coming at the end of the summer, you'll see my two three hour versions of Rebel Moon you to cut these parts out because they're not cool. They're like, the movie's too long So they would be like that's so cool

1:24:53 And they would like look at it and go like, bro, like that's and my sort of the mythology around my director's cuts People who love that will love it more than anything else, right? I come to life is really what it is. because I was like, when Luke Skywalker walks into the cantina and like is that he doesn't know what the fuck he has no, I think it's like the fucking cool. It was the coolest thing heavy metal is amazing

1:28:20 And he tried to like fight off the robot and the robot broke his arm with his big dick hanging out it was really. Was it conflict like? It was super conflicted. then that would have been it. And it would just die of death and you would, whatever So I'm happy to do whatever we, You know like you're gonna I think it's like almost like porn is TV MA is no

1:31:22 That was the whole thing with Batman versus Superman. They kept making it an R. They would have that kind of power. Well, it's representative of what you actually like I drew 3,000 storyboards for that movie. It's fucking insane. Oh my god. You must be going nuts. Yeah, it's missing fortnight. Yeah Yeah. And I snapped and I went to work and I worked for a couple hours and when it was done, when

1:34:12 it's a thing that I do. It's my only process. It's funny because when I made Sucker Punch, I I think I can make it up on the day and it'll be good and I do make it up on the day but the truth is I did it throughout. right? And it's so much work to convince people like to invest, to dig the, get all the cranes that's gonna require me me to convince people.

1:36:56 Oh, it's hugely beneficial in the production process. Yeah. Here's the question. Dr. Manhattan's cock is in the movie like just full frontally in the film and I think it's a fair amount He's a god. He goes, he goes, the world's smartest man He's the best. He tried we try I go write me something that's better than this and we just couldn't do it so we just had to license it from and I had to send Philip

1:39:21 It's so good, it's so good. Mm-hmm. I was like, okay, it's too much. And, you know, I left the movie famously as sort of these singular like little, you press it, you know, the markers meant something to people, you know? just to support AFSP, which is the suicide, cause it's a huge stigma, you know, like people, nobody wants to talk about like, that they're having trouble, you know, and you know, this, cause it's a huge stigma, you know, like people,

1:42:25 It's just, it's real. And it's an easy thing to just try and muscle through. on one, on one hand, they are the moments you see for me, Dr. Manhattan, Leonidas, whatever it is. living in Canada, being away from the kids, I always say like, you know, people are like, you know, the fandom was toxic or whatever they were like, responsible for the saving of lives.

1:45:09 especially when they're talking about your fans The reason why they're behaving the way they are behaving, the reason why they're screaming It's like the same way people are fanatical about sports and then you see something like in my opinion that the comment, like I never said that the Superman Because it's fucking scary. what you thought and the music and everything like lands, it really, it is, there is a like,

1:47:38 but you can feel it, it can push you. know, that little high is really, it's really fun. Well, that's the goal, right? The goal is to It makes people do things. you know, like I'm an immigrant, where you push a button and Rebel Moon, right? That's 1.6 billion, you know. and we were talking about Rebel Moon 2 and I said, I'm like, you know, like that it's so,

1:51:33 No way. No way. You released it in the theater, five people go. Yeah. You know, That's just too much of a tough sell. No one knows what the fuck that is. about the director's cut of Rubble Moon, say, theatrically or whatever. You know, in another, if I was releasing it, say, Yeah, probably right in there. I want we don't have an exact date, but like someone somewhere

1:54:07 Second movies a war movie Song and dance, you know, hmm, which? Which is, which I think that as a product, like I said, Stuff that we did inside of each of those movies each of the movies is an hour longer It's just- because I don't think, I mean, look, it's a, because they're really closely related. they're both gonna release on the same day. I'm like, yes.

1:56:50 Well, if you have the time and a good series is bingeable, No, let's go. because like, I'm a, you know, I'm a, and they think the book's a fascist propaganda, and like what the struggle he goes through of the script and they kept noting her, noting her It's one of those weird things where Iron Brand is,, she's connected to like incels or you know like

1:59:39 I'm pretty exclusively a fountain hit fanatic and for that also because it's melodrama too something is going to be successful commercially, directors and writers a long time ago you know like it's still there's alchemy You feel it. Yeah, it's fucking cool But it's not gonna be as cool I love them, I live for them. like all the like, you know, kind of like coolness of it

2:03:16 If we go forward and do like more in the 300 universe He's clearly being cheeky and we talked about like as we go forward, I would love to just kind of stress. And she's like, go do it. that energy was in there because I just felt like it was important to make sure that it this just sort of indulgence in the male form, you know, is very, it's not, it's not casual.

2:06:17 It's just, I mean, like, look, in the end, it's a, it's a weirdo, it's a weirdo how do you go about doing it? It is. It's an awesome position and I appreciate it and I don't take it for granted. There's Like for ten minutes and that's how he lived right? the adventures of a reluctant messiah. again, it's like this sort of Like my brother, so my brother passed away when I was 13, he got in a car accident and

2:09:39 Imagine that guy, like, but just like the coolest guy, your mother and father, your sister, I won't spoiler alert. I won't tell you what happens on the last page of the book It's cool. That's awesome dude. I appreciate it.