Joe Rogan Experience #2129 — David Holthouse Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience Because you're like me, like you're old enough of that generation that you might remember to kind of crush the hippie movement. That I haven't been involved in the sort of conception of the story from the jump that dates back thousands of years, in the history of the movement in the 70s and 80s But letting them into your home and it's all that sounds great. But all it takes is one psycho

3:57 like Allen Ginsberg got down with it. Wasn't maybe a full-scale devotee, but until they basically got a meeting with the Beatles. up successors. And most of the leaders of the movement were young, or most of the members Yeah, would be a kind way to put it. There's a place out here, you know, I built a comedy club and before I got the spot that I have

6:17 And I was like, that would be hilarious, Everyone's doing yoga, they're hanging out together, cooking meals together, and dancing. Changes his name for the third time. His name is Jaime Gomez was the place that I bought but it was all fucked up and we wound up getting And this one went bad and but it was the same sort of deal. They all got names That cult, that compound is still there?

9:16 call the Hare Krishnas, they actually like, you know, kicked the new Vrindavan out of the movement That's gorgeous. Look at the images. it's, well, for sure in the 60s, for sure in the 70s, it was cut off from the rest of died. He was already running New Vrindavan, like Prabhupada had visited it and approved the lease was signed, they put on bedsheets and started chanting, started chanting Right and so you got the Hare Krishna's as your neighbors, right? Yeah

12:26 you know. and like two weeks later I was in India. Yeah, and of course we're like knocking around Yeah. The legend is, is that hundreds of of years ago this guy that was like Because the Balaram Mandir, which is the head Hare Krishna temple, is in Vrindavan, India. You got to buy something and then throw it up to them and then they will relinquish it

15:23 has stolen something, they'll come over and they'll be like for a few, basically it's like for a few rupees, I'll handle this deal for you. Oh yeah, it's brutal. But we were there to film. orders from Kirtananda, because he was challenging Kirtananda's authority. Because it's really remote country, I mean I I don't want to stress it. It's really cold in the winter.

17:55 I think it's both. You know, I think he had a psychological disposition towards being money. He would dispatch like the hottest young female Krishna devotees to like stock car races Wow. Like you look at him, he looks like a guy we're all, but then you'll see someone who gets in there and you're like, on yeah more and more Krishna couples had kids so he had access to more and more and more children

21:01 And that was not unique to New Vrindavan. And for the most part, I think have done an excellent job kind of... Mostly boys I think. Mostly boys. Yeah. Yeah. They are, they have Right. Well, there was a settlement, there were some lawsuits, there were some peace and love movement that's like the optimal way to live life. You know in the commune and he called him out for it and also called him out for the materialism for like driving around

23:40 like wayward folks that just didn't And once you start questioning things, He goes, oh yeah, there's a lot. than it was for Kirtan Ananda in the 70s and 80s. that's in front of them right now, I'm gonna take this on a detour And you told a story about how when you were a kid, grown man right but for you know Joe Rogan to say like a librarian saved me

26:56 Yeah, it could have if that librarian hadn't called out my name. I think about that all the time I mean I try and do what I can to dispel the stereotype because But there's truth behind it. No, do I? And we were talking about it, we said in a perfect scenario when you absolutely know stop. No, they don't. They never stop. It's a weird sickness. It's a it's a it's just

30:24 nothing happened to me and but things did happen to people that I know that did go to Catholic And it was an open secret for so long too, you know. And I went to his tomb that's in Vrindavan, India, flowers and incense and photos of him and stuff and it's basically after he got And so, you know, we boogied out of there. The cult thing is so bizarre because it's so it's so common and it's it just seems like there's so many people that want to be

34:17 they are positive, peaceful souls. They seem at peace with their place in the world in a way that you by the teachings of Christ and and live a better more But really while he was there, he was one of the dudes that like joined the, he was Teerta came and paid you a visit. Okay, and when it and when Kirtananda when Kirtananda started whacking dudes

37:11 But now they arrested open and he was seen in full view by multiple witnesses like sodomizing this kid. And too who were telling him, we saw this, it's true. You know, then to his credit, I think he, She had just kind of lost no real purpose in life didn't you know her whole thing was Yeah. and the right mindset, like really can be a beautiful, into DMT right all right I tried DMT it was in 2013 and I'm a one and done DMT guy. Don't need to do it again.

41:01 You know? And he was describing his DMT experience, and I hadn't heard about DMT. so I was like, well, not tonight. and he was like, you wanna try this? and in there was the knowledge that reincarnation is real, Promise yourself to Jesus and have a clean slate. Fuck that. I'm not buying that, you know, you know purpose and all these different things.

45:03 that as thinking that everything is all connected, the more my life has been that can sort of overcome the idea that everything is connected. And so that's I Yeah. The most complicated organism, we to ward off predators and to fight off neighboring tribes and to try to avoid and this addiction and that addiction It's really, you know. Here we go. Yeah. And one of the things that I brought back

48:58 you're talking about about how to be a better person, how You can get distracted by all sorts of things in this life, but the things that bring you Lorenzo Hegrati. So Lorenzo Lorenzo and I and the aforementioned techno pig and octopus Messiah are in the process of collaborating with some But you know, Dennis is like hardcore, like fact-based scientist.

51:27 But I think, so I've been approached with, And also one idea that we're toying with, Yeah, he has everything. primates had started experimenting with different food sources by flipping over cow patties ranchers had started putting feed in with the cattle feed, some made people more likely to breed, Yeah, yeah. And also just be more tuned into things.

55:08 Absolutely. are very closely related. It's produced in the human brain. And this thing that these primates were finding years. couple million years you could see how this would happen yeah also the primate and it kind of makes sense. And also there's people that can achieve those states people that had taken a lot of acid, or mescaline, or peyote, Yeah, I think, I think there's chanting, chanting of like ancient sacred mantras and

59:17 Like you can't, it's hard to believe listen, you know, until I tried this dad, you know, I was like, same as you, like basically I wasn't filming, but I was doing some research, and I was in a I was in a war zone Wow. But to answer your question, what was I doing in Ukraine? Afghanistan Iraq by backing the wrong horses you know we've never not fucked up. Yeah, there's never been one

1:02:02 that was what was fascinating to me I mean, look, the US went through its own sort of oligarchy, like robber baron phase, They have what they call telephone law, which of God's telling you this. Yeah. That's a guy who's like reached the limits. Yeah. Yeah. And it's kind of like, I won't name any of them, But to just part of it was there was something very enthralling about being in a place where

1:05:11 It's a horrible thing to say because it's not what you ever want to happen again to or a few months after 9-11, and everybody was friendly. But I was wondering, I wonder if maybe the division that we have in this country is because weapons and in 1994, the quote unquote West the US and the UK basically convinced them small territories are now NATO countries.

1:07:32 What are we gonna do? yeah yeah so anyway this is a fucking sketchy time it really is I mean it's At least when I've talked to people that understand. there's no middle ground. When in fact, I think that Ukraine could have been a bridge, had always said that was his red line. And who's got a vested interest in keeping that money flowing? like charging them with crimes in the US, including some people that have never even set foot in the

1:10:57 It's wild to me that Zelensky is the president, too. But the fact that 50 cents of every dollar that we send there, really combat, we're just mowing these these guys, it's not even really combat, you serve and your time, your sentence is rescinded. Offers for these really poor people from rural Russia and then they're using them as just human cannon fodder 100% 100%

1:13:20 I mean, I know there are global effects of that, like let's say what Israel's doing in Gaza, What's the line? if he keeps going into Ukraine and then he he he invades a NATO country and we I was, I got it. country and we go up against him man those documents leaked recently from You know, we should stop this shit now this shit being putin. Is it possible?

1:17:08 nuclear weapons which can be delivered by land or sea launched missiles from or like just like we didn't back him up after the security assurances that we I think that that territory that that that Putin has seized my impression from talking with a lot of Ukrainians in recent weeks has and actually taking territory that they could not live without.

1:19:32 of like automobiles, and what happened was, bridges special forces started blowing bridges and hitting them with javelins and stuff and But what it was, was when the Russians invaded Yeah It's really easy to get in. And so basically keeping me alive was a vacation for them. clicked with this guy. Anyway, but yeah, I did have it set up before I had an interpreter,

1:23:01 You wouldn't know anything was going on people People are out dressed nicely, going to dinner, And then as the air defense system shoot them down, In real time. You could get it on your phone right now. So if anybody wants to experience But yeah, I mean, it was one day where the security guys were And I was like, what? And so the next day we did, we like drove five hours up in the mountains,

1:25:45 And as the stuff is being shot down, people are cheering from the chair lifts. Yeah. enjoy your life. Right. Which is just so bizarre. Or if we had like a war of the worlds kind of thing where like a That's true. engaged in this insane conflict that no one thinks is ever going to end. If you asked Of course, easily. They have the best intentions for themselves and for the people that are providing them

1:29:20 People that you've never met, you have no issue with. we're a group and we're being led by the the people that are in charge of this group that are very secretive and This the most insane venture Yeah, and it seemed like we could get to Star Trek right like we could maybe get there superior to what we're capable of generating with our monkey minds.

1:32:17 Meditation is another. Well, maybe the problem is money in general, like the concept of money. is the future, show me where it works, ever. You know, I'm sure you've already seen this guy who they, the first Neuralink patient. Have you seen this? Yeah. So this Of course. And that's the scariest thing about someone done things that they didn't expect?

1:35:48 We're the cause of theft and rape and fraud and destruction It's just gonna be like a passing fad, but oh, I don't think. I don't think that at all. I think it's inevitable. I think we looking at human beings, you would say, well, what does this thing do? of that innovation, almost all of it is tied to technology and artificial intelligence. My fear is that it supersedes us my my fear is that it surpasses us in every way and

1:38:50 keep going up and up and up it seems like there's a there's a current trend And keep them entertained. how if you were a super intelligent species, Yeah, I think that's what it is. That would certainly be wonderful. Do you think they're covering up things that they've invented? I think we're probably being visited as well, and I think we might be being visited by something that is us from the future I

1:42:44 aware of. Why can't it fly? There's their bones are bigger. They're far more powerful knows, right? seen, 3D printing, there's all these different things like this the ship that He started to say, what is this? problem is the military applications. You can't have someone else get a hold of it before us. You can't have someone steal way to get a drone going that uses these technologies and that these drones can

1:47:11 My housemate was like, this, I mean, D&T thinking that I had a firsthand experience I believe that there was kind. And, and I always thought that it was just, it was a military, it was a military aircraft where I could see it and then I couldn't you know It's a destroyer, whatever's smaller than an aircraft carrier. And how high do you think it was above you?

1:50:06 technology that fritzed out. Wow. Many people said they saw something that looked like a triangle. and talked about it and said that he saw something to describe the shape and he puts it at a bigger size guess. You see the Pinta and the Santa Maria It was just it was there and there were some lights, like you said, I remember there was there were some lights that were not stars that were

1:52:37 That's how I was gauging how big it was. and then they're gone. Mmm half a dozen That that's an alien spacecraft. No, my initial thought was not an alien spacecraft As more time has gone on though, you're asking me what I thought in the moment Right. it right away, and I went on the record because I was like maybe one of the last you know I wasn't that UFO

1:55:33 What I would give to see something like that in space. This was in Ukraine, so it was maybe three weeks ago. That's my thought about these things that they keep seeing, because they always see And that was a square with a... it was a sphere in a square or a square in a sphere? people could see them than to run them out there They were like, mm-hmm, okay.

1:58:59 when he, when Fravor communicated this stuff, to 50 feet in less than a second? They have video of this thing moving at a speed that would turn human beings into jelly. And the witnesses have been reliable too. but especially military pilots, and see how the public reacts. whether I think it's from another planet, that case, are we just getting better at detecting them or are they showing

2:02:23 fuck is that? Well, you're just left with a story balloons you know yeah I don't know in those videos too it's the commentary that So it would literally turn sideways to move forward. I mean Kenneth Arnold was talking about these things in the You have so many things you have to do today. Because it's fascinating. It is fascinating. But it's also, it makes you feel like a fool.

2:04:53 Or you know if I was an intelligent species that's willing to donate I'd be like, I want to see some shit. can't trust me. I'd shut the fuck up. Especially because now they can't trust me I'd shut the fuck up especially if I was in the military I would shut the fuck up show me you know Yeah, show the images of the home. This is the home that Jackie Gleason had built.

2:07:08 What the fuck is that? And so he's like, I wanna build a fucking house It's nonsense. And you know, my comedy club is called The Comedy Mothership. That's like, there's a giant uptick Like, we're watching. that they've helped us along the way. But we're autonomous and we're allowed to do descriptions from the Bible, from the Old Testament, about UFOs that people love to bring up because Ezekiel has this

2:10:38 of a calf and sparkled with the fire like burnished bronze. On all four sides, under So much for the faces. but straight, not veering off. The rims were immense, circled with eyes. When the living other with another set of wings covering their bodies. When they moved, I heard their wings. It that's what it was like. It turned out to be the glory of God."

2:13:30 The glory of God. And the fact that it's so noteworthy that they wrote it down in the fucking Bible You smoke it. Like the Ten Commandments. Yeah. Well, again, back to the Christians and Prabhupada, that would just start popping these things In order to get this enlightenment. I could see how someone would say, no listen, take the mushrooms? Yeah. And when you do take that and you do have those experiences and you realize that it's

2:18:01 Right. Yeah, you have blood. there seems to be some sort of mitigation strategy by the human body in order to keep You know with me I really felt like once was enough I know you have a different approach Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it also makes you realize how insecure you are I felt did once. And the problem that I had with it was after it was over, I felt so drained.

2:20:47 shop the next day I was trying to read a magazine and I couldn't read I couldn't I had a show that night. Yeah, you do need to do the serotonin booster. Because as somebody who has PTSD, not from combat, That's the problem. but they said he didn't say it. to subvert the civil rights movement and to go after the Black Panthers and all period of 1970 and then you look at the music of the 80s, like what the fuck happened everybody?

2:23:51 and I think you could kind of credit Lorenzo They really they really have and they they've done it the right way, where they're Some of them know people that have been really helped by MDMA therapy or ayahuasca or many of the Ibogaine, We're in a, so many weird competing factors are all happening altogether. And thing that helps people. I mean, you you can get large-scale use of psychedelics sanctioned, and not just in America, but worldwide, I think it will have a

2:26:41 a little higher this time. And now you're better than you were a year ago because everyone was distracted by it. to take acid. up by ethical experts who really have experience in these things that can provide both counseling and medical services and And that's, taking it back to Krishna's, right? Because that's the series I have out. during the 60s, with the help of George Harrison,

2:29:30 Thanks, brother. Appreciate you. Appreciate you. And if you do this Ukraine thing or if