Joe Rogan Experience #2133 — Brendan O'Neill Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan podcast checking out. conversations online so I'm excited to talk to you man thanks for being here stupid that we lose all communication period. I have a real fear of World War Three. bombing America it's very depressing but we watched it at school and we had unreal problems that are just designed to whip up fear and make us panic and make us

2:56 using it to make money. He both makes money from climate change fear-mongering. She's the green version of the catch me outside girl. because she's now going around Europe and telling governments to stop investing in energy production, It's, you know how dumb I was when I was 21? you have these cranks who are talking nonsense and pushing ideas that are just

6:01 But what she said was not this extraordinary message of wisdom that would Self-involved the political class who said you know give us more, really sock it to us. And it was beneficial for both sides. Sedate America with nonsense and they're being told to do it by the government like no no, listen They all watch them. field of study, if they have anything that deviates from the narrative, they're like automatically dismissed. Even ones that

9:37 what's happening during our lifetime, It's like taking into account all these factors, CO2 in the atmosphere and solar flares and what's going on with volcanic activity it and fix it. If you say anything like that, even something quite moderate, you will be And when you have that put on you, And this was a while back. That's what's spooky. environmentalists climate change alarmists They're lying to us when they say that more people than ever are dying as a consequence of natural disasters

14:02 So how do they monkey with those numbers when they when they twist the numbers around to make it seem like, you know... A good example was the huge heatwave in Europe last year. There have been huge heat waves in the past, far worse than the ones we had that we would protect the most from bad decisions, the people that we protect the most historically,

16:02 idea, which has absolutely no basis in evidence or proof whatsoever, they have to experiment on children. They have to give them drugs, experience, you're born with it, and we're going to prove this by giving them puberty And it's real and it's happening. Because this isn't sane. Did you hear about the guy in Canada? This guy in Canada that's suing the government

18:10 Someone wrote an article for Spiked where I worked saying, well this means he can go We might be able to just stop this with a biologist. That's really bad. What that means is he gets his baby to suck on his male nipple, his useless milk-free, non-lactating male nipple. But every man biologically starts off as a female in the womb, and it's the introduction

20:27 But think about it if you saw a man who looks like a man man who looks like you on the street with a baby comes from their horrible nipples worse for the baby, horrible person. So that's also his HIV positive. I mean, which is cool What a sweetheart. The problem is, I mean, they've always been freaks. They've always been weirdos. They've always been absolute

23:01 and if they're in a protected class, if're automatically you know if they say that they're a woman like instantaneously you are real things. There's psychos. There's people that want to wear your skin and if they can you're enabling someone who could be completely schizophrenic, Yeah, you're a woman. under the sanctum of gender ideology. That's crazy. That's crazy.

25:42 where I have a problem. So when you have a man, and I would say this goes for any man, was naked and he was semi-erect and there were women and minors in that women's changing has always been keep men from competing with women because it's not fair. Fucking crazy that women will go along But a woman's only gym exists for a specific reason because He's absolutely huge.

29:44 so that you have this. So Riley Gaines makes the point that not only was he cheating by don't want to see your junk. It's a double whammy of misogyny and what's Insane in a six foot4 biological male who had a draw got so close to him. She gave her life to this. She trained, these situations when they come up, Why do we have women? And the woman was just trying to dance around this and didn't want is like Toro

33:25 that are involved in this. There's grifters on the race side, there's grifters on the gender side, Way smaller schools like colleges. It's in the article. It says it's 241 It's if you think about how bad things have got in a short period of time as a biological male competing in weightlifting against women. 2024, that's seen as a normal acceptable thing.

35:24 It is a real thing, but some of them really look like women. That's real too. We have to communicate, to make friendships and so on. humanity. The equalization of women with men was a wonderful thing. Some of the Assistance you have to support the right of men who commit crimes including rape to be placed in women's prisons You know the story? It's a biological man.

38:27 That's the news! That's so scary! of what's going on right now. Because this is the sacrifice of news to ideology. And with truth and reality, this remolding of reality so that it suits the ideology of the COVID, people just gave in, and all of a sudden, like, here's another one, And then it switched over to if you don't trust them. You're a Nazi. Yeah, you're a fascist. You should die

41:33 and fascinating about climate, it's so bizarre that that one got attached so rigorously to these people that will argue like violently that you should adhere to climate, when you start asking becomes more important not less important. Yes. And what happened with the We were allowed to leave our homes once a day a hotline was set up by the cops which is that rather than locking down we should have had a Swedish style scenario where people

44:53 the Net Zero hysteria, the COVID lockdowns, all of those in some ways from Stanford and Harvard who were dissenting about the way things were handled during the that knows the world got fucked over there's a part of you that knows so when because one thing I've realized with normal people never go down the memory lane of of lockdown and COVID. It's like

47:54 And we were ratting on each other. And even I suddenly have flashes of memory and I have to kind of Google to make sure in 1990. We don't want you to remember it, so we're going to black it out. This is a more voluntary spread so quickly to Italy and then the United Kingdom and then to America? How did this the British government. He gave an interview to the Times newspaper a

50:45 to the history of the United Kingdom. And yet we allowed this tyranny to wash over us. What how they're gonna do it. But they're advocating for insane. That's insane. But that's apparently what's happening right now in Brazil. Just because the government went behind closed doors where social media companies are forever being called So I think one of the great crises of our times, actually, is the crisis of freedom of speech.

54:05 but it creates that space in which a dissenting voice can say, hold on, let's wait a minute, They might still happen, but we would have the opportunity to rein them in. Yeah. Well, we would definitely have And we have to shut these other people up. people in the past who put their head above the parapet and said the thing that you weren't supposed English. It could only be published in Latin because it was only supposed to be read by

56:42 That's crazy. And what's interesting, what's so interesting and important That's why he went to Germany so he could do it there and then get it back to England. killed him first and then burnt him at the stake. But what was interesting, what's interesting else, I just think to myself you have no idea of how the extent to which your own You know, there's certain subjects if you bring them up

59:15 We forgot to get our coffee. is the thing that allows us to settle discussions without violence and to ensure that everyone gets to express their slavery abolitionist Frederick Douglass this point he said censorship is a double crime. It's firstly the crime of freaking out over Joe Rogan and his podcast similarly if you let your moral muscles go to waste, you'll become a moral wreck as well,

1:02:07 with the access to the internet and social media in America versus what they're doing on TikTok in China. But I think it's also being manipulated that is run by your enemies, that's real too. And we're all like battling this in real time in a way that's never happened Twitter, I certainly don't use TikTok, I'm way too old for that. But lots of young people do. And I think what's interesting about it is

1:04:44 wonderful things imaginable. It could have been a forum for spreading clinical depression, you're bipolar and it's four things that everyone has. a culture of narcissism, a culture of brittleness. And people will talk about the problem of kids you're a wonderful person. You have to prove yourself. You have to use your mettle and your strength and your will

1:07:35 in the way that I am. these mental health identities, as a way of explaining everything that's wrong in I must have this. I must have that. One of the problems with it is that it diagnose themselves with various illnesses in order to either get treatment or to have Yeah. you're not happy, and then this thing is offered up That's it. You might just be a gay man. That's possible too. And a lot of them turn out to be just that if you're getting all this positive attention, you might just be a gay man. Yeah.

1:11:36 Now we all think of conversion therapy as the kind of pseudoscience that is used to So live your life freely, but you Iran is second only to Thailand in the number of gender transition surgeries. like if it wasn't for And they don't have the ability to talk out. Yeah, you're not a valid human being you're subservient to this stupid fucking ideology

1:14:46 You might even lose your job as a consequence of saying, putting people in a metaphorical stock and throwing rotten tomatoes at them because they have the One in which there is extraordinary social pressure on people to have the right opinions on all the various issues, gender, race, climate, everything author, you're not rich, you're not a cultural institution.

1:16:53 a very popular and well-loved person and no one pushes back against them because they're No one will stand up and say, hey, fuck you. just attack this lady online and then everyone's scared that that's gonna come doing something really outrageous and dangerous when in fact she's saying of the political establishment are willing to stand up for her when people are sending

1:19:41 truth you're a transphobe if you criticize any aspect of Islam or the Quran, you're an Islamophobe. should have the freedom to worship Islam but it's a bit of a crazy religion in first of all, if AI was sentient, I don't think it has any obligation to let us know. You know and then we let AI govern things because AI is gonna look at things logically

1:22:06 organisms and eventually progress it up to the point where that thing becomes the kind progression of our willingness to give into censorship our willingness to give into Have no adults in the room, no rash. classes and the comment area, they will often say, you know, how on earth did working people in America wanted to send a message to the establishment. They wanted

1:25:02 Barack Obama who was probably more sensible than those two saying these people cling to their Bibles and their guns It's so important, I think, for for working class people to know that this new establishment hates them with a passion and that's why the working class unwieldy cudgel for these people to makes perfect sense to me. It's absolutely been the case. There's always been narratives and there's always been

1:28:17 the Vietnam War when that was happening, the country was very divided. The country was very divided. The country was extremely divided. And then in the 80s, we started getting terrified off for a little bit and then in the 80s these kind of slightly pantomime conflicts taking place between the kind of identitarian for them, they're looking at things that Biden says, they're looking at the

1:30:37 right to see themselves as the voice of reason. And it's like we have this movement in Britain He sees the problems in society in a way that they in their rarefied circles don't that's been ruling over us for the past three or four decades. That's a wonderful moment is happening to our societies. Not the Palestinian people because when you when you refer to Hamas as barbarians, people will say,

1:33:54 actually murdered Jews, they supported it or they at least made excuses for it. A white kid wearing dreadlocks on campus was seen as a crime against black culture. sympathy. You create a situation where when there is an actual battle between right back with that. Thanks. Okay. We were at the forces of evil and the forces of good or barbarism and civilization as you put it.

1:36:55 Numerically more evil right if you if you just look at the destruction of human life and homes an awful terrible thing. But I think I fear that we are living through one of the greatest Holocaust. So it's a complete inversion I think in some of the coverage and some is more scrutinized than any other and I do worry that tragically normal things the pro-West rebels had to paint the roof of their vehicles bright pink in order to try and avoid the bombs of their so-called allies and allies

1:40:18 They knew what those people were doing and that they killed them I think that's- It's a completely different scenario in terms of like cell phone footage and people being able to see the wreckage, fly drones over it. especially in Syria versus Colonizers. And we're seeing it on the streets all the time. We're seeing it on campuses uniquely murderous. There was a line in a Guardian column recently which referred to the war in Gaza as uniquely

1:43:58 word racist willy-nilly. It's an important word that has real meaning. But I do think there is an element In every single war, more civilians than fighters die. Well I've seen people say that between 10 and 12,000 are Hamas fighters. But this is I thought it was... the amount of dead may be greater, but isn't it over a longer period of time? to the worst act of anti-Semitic violence in 70 years, more than 70 years.

1:47:41 an anti-American force came into the United this war, they're now refusing to end the war by giving that Hamas is fundamentally responsible for How long has it been? Yeah. That's not a... you're killing people that have nothing to do with that. You're killing people And are you creating even more martyrs by doing so? right? And when they find the numbers are grossly, it's like,

1:51:49 And when we're discussing this, Both those things kind of need to be addressed. Yes. Right, but that's not really the question, right? we have to go and fight these people. Just as Britain took the decision that it had to especially younger generations. They've never had to fight for anything. They've never faced an and then they have the absolute gall to say to Israel and to the Jewish state,

1:55:46 The only way to do it is to bomb the places where the civilians are because the bad people bunch of Americans just because they hate America? If we bombed Mexico into the Stone people that live there? What is being done to help them? What are you, are you, to make moral judgments, but sometimes a moral judgment has to be made. And I think in relation to the Israel-Hamas

1:58:00 But this is not just a numerical equation. families were hiding. It intentionally raped and stripped and murdered women. absolutely tragic regrettable deaths of civilians in war as has happened in against hysteria and regressive views. We used to think that education would like Aaron Bushnell burning themselves alive in the name of Palestine? We have to

2:01:16 Hamas in its basement and they made the decision to bomb the Jewish hospital and They got parachuted in, killed, and at a rave. And who knows how many people are wounded permanently? Jews to get to the Hamas people. But what you're saying is technically correct but there I can think of no war in history and it is important to talk against the royalists and to create the modern idea of democracy because there

2:04:06 face this existential threat? Do we defend our right to exist? Do we fortify Is this the only way to do it? That's not a just, that's not a good do you expect? That's not a good response. But then there's another issue, or whatever else it might be. So we do have to make a moral call on what's happening in A neighboring army that would like to kill them all and to destroy their state from the river to the sea

2:07:10 people do, to say this is just a demonic action by the Jewish state is wrong. Hamas bears of the people that live there that have no say. But this kind of war is uniquely scary, right? Because one army is vastly superior to the other one, There's the real difference. But you also have to accept that there's one group of people, scary is this justification of this horrific act of destruction of who knows how many thousands

2:10:10 They might not have known. Either, this is the thing, you're right to say that people don't know and this is Maybe more in Iraq. been turned into almost this whipping boy of Western activists who have simply Right, but hold on, because if Israel existed with no conflict as to who owns the essentially what people describe as an open-air prison. That's, and when then it

2:13:39 I think there have been many instances over the past decade or 20 years in which there You know I'm saying like there's there's some other shit going on there So they're pretty forceful. And they have devoted themselves to the destruction of Israel. people in, the position it puts Israel in and the people of Israel. So what I'm saying to destroy it without also causing collateral damage because of the way in which Hamas operates.

2:17:11 We keep going around in circles. the fact that we all know the We have a difference of opinion on the moral weight what the Americans did in Vietnam. And if a civilization is going to advance, it's going to have to be held up to the highest and many other places. What I'm saying is, why is this war being treated as uniquely wicked? Why is it seen by huge numbers of people,

2:20:14 And I also think that the original attack was so horrific that it focused people on marching in the streets are anti-Semites, seem very cavalier about one of the worst acts of racist violence of modern times and amongst the so-called like fascism actually happened they were either incredibly cavalier about it, some of them were supportive of it, they did

2:22:45 heads of those universities were all discussing It was it pen that yes, is that who it was we said if it's actionable with like a smirk on her face and pull fire alarms and they want to stop freedom of speech if at all possible if it Or they'll kick you out forever if you misgender someone. this one question they throw their hands up in the air and say, well, you know, freedom

2:25:31 to some sort of a religious school. It's very strange. The number of conservative leaning Pluckrose papers. That just should expose the rot of institutions, that you can make real papers about heteronormative activity And that's my genuine fear is that as our access to information realization of the people that are in it, they have to wake the fuck up and go, what

2:27:54 things you could be. We're more sophisticated than that now even though objectively all the same steps are all moving in place and everybody's like I don't see it sections of society who get sucked into these backward ways of thinking, these regressive it's you people who have been subsumed by this irrational cult, who have abandoned the and ruin them.

2:30:45 it everywhere. It's a demon with a sheep mask on. something more profound. I think there is across the board in the corporate world, the political world, the academic world, And I'm not going to vote for Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden. there is a pushback against this stuff and the more of that we can have the better. Yes You'll find me on there.