Joe Rogan Experience #2134 — Paul Stamets Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. The never ending story of mushrooms. Yeah. So this giant one that youending story. I feel the never-ending story of mushrooms Literally, one out of 100 times So 2,000 years history of use, other sides of the world, and directly after 9-11 I was Institute Infectious Diseases, and NIH, in collaboration of more than 2 million samples,

2:46 even Northern Arizona, British Columbia, and in Europe. I have now the largest culture library And what we looked at, and my colleagues sense that dust hadn't settled enough. this. So double-line placebo controlled, they consumed ag garot on a You want both at the same time? So there was 10 symptoms that the CDC has identified, the Center for Disease

6:52 you could create a cytokine storm and so this is one of the charts though this And you'll see that at day two and day three, they feel terrible, they go, I don't wanna get a vaccine. Now, most of the, when you have an immune response, many of these interleukins is part of your Krupp Center for Integrative Medicine is let's look at antibody extension.

9:46 con and turkey tail there was a carrying on where the antibody response was far you have immunologically lower activity due to whatever reason, if you get a vaccine, Right simultaneously in the same day the vaccine for four days. when they get a vaccine, their antibody response What's the mechanism that's causing this to happen? The immune cells, your immune cells are enabled, your endogenous immune system is able to prevent the virus from replicating.

12:56 The fact that you can take a natural product We just used one strain and we saw these effects. if there are hundreds of thousands of mushrooms or millions of mushrooms, but there aren't. as a matter of national defense. with bird flu, first time in history. states, but the threat to humans is currently low. Is it possible to give this to cows? swines or to pigs or hogs, the increased likelihood that it jumps to people.

17:19 devastated hundreds of millions of birds around the world. Do they have any idea where this gets so that it originated with birds? get bugs off the backs of large mammals etc. So migratory birds of which just happened in the past few weeks. The flu virus, at its peak performance. these two charts, I can present to you because they were publicly presented.

20:49 you can have your endogenous immune system, you know, on the ready, then it can then have one study. So with a breast cancer clinical study, it was shown to be safe. It It showed highly significant effects, which are outside of the realm of chance. And so we were able to show this so quorum response of the immune system at a higher state of readiness without being

24:11 interleukin 1RA and interleukin 10. It was used as an anti-inflammatory, as a poultice, to reduce muscle aches. years as a poultice, you know, and ointments, you know, etc. And so it has a long, you know, I feel like I'm just eating them. in a car accident today or tomorrow. came up with this idea of vaccine extension, because so many people are concerned about

27:12 apoptosis. Apoptosis is important for you to get rid of your disease and aging with this population that we've studied of 90 people those who did not take agaric and I've come to understand why they didn't want vaccines. we are at the convergence of possibly multiple virus and viral pandemics converging at the and isolated, what are the differences in those strains?

30:32 be different. But it just speaks to the fact how little we know. I met a Nobel laureate The beauty of agaric on a turkey tail is a multi-thousand year history of use. Traditional So he published that. And there's a massive number of researchers all over the world, And so Alexander Fleming discovered penicillium notatum. And a corn, you take corn cobs, you boil them in water, you can make corn-steep liquor,

33:16 Sorry, I misspoke. so we have the entire genomic fingerprint. of this library. And I've literally spent millions of dollars, I'm not exaggerating, millions of I only had six or seven strains back then at the BioShield program in 2004. In vitro, I think seven or eight some of them are I have 150 employees. out of eight, you know, has made it through, but it's very, very difficult for an independent

37:01 benefits of these mushrooms that we're not aware of, and these different strains? Absolutely, of anti-fungal effects. The weird thing about a agaricon, from my Four or five years later, a storm came through, broke off that tree. Basically, they're annual growth rings. They grow in the Old Growth Forest, subject to vast weather changes, wind and rain and

39:41 and antifungal, and yet has such a long history of use and and keeping that in balance is the key. they're just, you know, they just don't taste good, they're not poisonous, they're It can put you to sleep. Everything is very, very diminished in terms of the colorama. It changes the visual spectrum. purifies it. So, I mean, this is a legend that's mixed up in fiction, in fact, in fables.

43:47 on the enemy Miscaria, they took off all their clothes and they just became these mechanistic we're both like... And so and it puts you to sleep the biggest concern about amylobacteria I don't wanna be redundant here, Dave and he had a smaller body weight. So we made an omelet, let's try pantherinum. And he trusted me, note to self, note to others.

46:10 and their families and stuff. went over the bridge, over this little river, very typical, by the way. This is characteristic. Emity, muscaria, and And so our visual feels started getting distorted all these kids and families and winnow bagels and camper vans and then I remember this one Missed that one. I said, okay, so I sit in the car, and then trying to and so these people got kind of curious and Dave goes you

50:06 I dropped it again. Repetitive motion syndrome. I picked up that camera and dropped it dozens The whole thread of time was disintegrated, Oh my God. go back to the lock and I spun it, and it's magically the lock opened up, and then I fell into bed. And then I had this amazing rush of Einsteinian thoughts. And then at the end of the day, the sunlight came through.

52:59 but he was like like a statue you know he's just there sitting when I got up, just looking straight we need a doctor, we need a doctor, right onto the rocks in the creek down below, There's no control of your memory and your action. inside of mushrooms that have not been fully explored. you happier, less violent, you know, resolve your PTSD, depression, etc. How could

56:01 never really had a positive experience with the amin miscaria but there was so much attached to it he thinks that it was probably Absolutely. We call them phenotypes. You can call them strains or phenotypes. It's a variety within a species. extend the efficacy of vaccines is a home run. No one was there to help me. at 35 degrees. I met some of the people because you know, you're a legend. I go, what do you mean? He

59:17 And I'd hear, I think they're having a party Blood Sweat and Tears. Now I I have 150 employees I own the whole company It's funny, people don't want to write it down. I go, it's a kingdom. You don't have We need a lot of research. And the research is becoming increasingly credible. It's at transition of knowledge has been fully complete from ancient people to today and there's nothing has slipped through the net.

1:01:58 We had to. of biodiversity cannot be overstated. Guys that think that they can't lose go in and get fucked up. And you're not more important than anything. Sometimes. I'm getting hip surgery in two weeks. I think he fought twice. It's great. shit. You get scratches and scrapes and then they get infected. It happens all the time, and you're probably going to mitigate a lot of the scratches

1:05:35 he had no idea he had staph. are you serious? I go, right now. And I broke my cue down. I go, we got to the hospital right now. He goes are you serious? I go right now and I broke my cue down I go we got to go right now. You have to go to the hospital man Right. you to activate directly through the mucosa, so it gets into your bloodstream. But for antibacterial antibiotic.

1:08:13 So again, it depends on what your target is. Again, nature's a numbers game. Turkey Tail and a Garakon. I'm 68, I know. You look great. time like hubris my partner is a medical doctor and that almost seem like it's playing very subtle jokes. things. But they all segue into this concept of the neurological systems being improved It's like this is a very recent thing in terms of human history, of our current understanding,

1:11:30 But I'm very keen on stacking, you know, in microdosing. That's something that we've had a lot of activity. And I'd like to give you a huge and download an app at microdose.me. motivations and lower levels of anxiety and depression compared to non-microdosers. this audience right now. the microdose.me app to measure performance They didn't. We have no frigging clue.

1:15:03 If you can see it. We're the number one mushroom-based immune product line. That'll be great. So... Foreign scientists, German. Absolutely. Did it ask you your occupation? massive relief of depression, a relief of anxiety, an increase in mood, and now we You can't feel better. that on that treatment. So does the expectancy enhance the medicine? That's the question.

1:19:48 You know, I don't think we asked them the question if they're sober at the time they take the test. whatever. Are you using the speaker off the phone? So the signal that we got in 30 days was extremely strong. And eventually they will have access to all their own data. But it's all anonymized, It's the finger tapping test. they do tap tests. Unfortunately, there's a steady decline. But theAP tests have been validated, and just another article came out this past week

1:23:21 testing. This is an affirmation of an improvement in cycle motor performance. But I looked this up, and for you to do the tap test involves six regions of your brain. and then people that get like practice, So now I chose niacin because psilocybin is a vasoconstrictor, niacin is a vasodilator. references up, showing that lion's mane mycelium contains these compounds called erinacines

1:26:40 performance. So there's a lot of musicians now that are very keen on taking the stock. And I'm calling out to Joe Rogan experience listeners, would have had greater liftoff Folks it works, right? Right. See if you can find a video of those so you can show it to them. Is there a reason why that, lights going off off would somehow or another make you move better?

1:29:33 Be faster. And it's hard to get above that. to see if it could be applied to skills, you know, sports I've experienced it with pool. But clinical studies are already started, And so when I ask a physician, you know, what is an objective test that's not subjective? You know, we sell 50% of the lion's mane products I think within five years. No one wants to take a risk.

1:32:44 If you're a law enforcement about it? we lack forgiveness in this society. We don't have enough people acknowledging their mistakes It's a big thing among soldiers. person you pull over with tinted windows might blow you away before you get to the outwards. I am, all of us I think have been affected by fentanyl, you know, And this should be the priority of law enforcement.

1:36:28 Because legalization scares people because, Yes, that's the other part of it. That's the other part of it. Decriminalization, if you cannot get legalization, and then having decriminalization with therapy. eloquently, as many other people, but I want to stay in my lane of mushrooms. It's very rare. argue across millennia. And any peoples living in that ecosystem long enough would stumble

1:39:53 There goes one. What what is you? What's your take on? As Terrence always said, Dennis is a real scientist. You know, I'm a psychonaut, Time wave zero. that I pointed out to Terence, event. The crusades occurred, all the stuff this is bullshit, bullshit. And he goes, Paul, it's an ever-changing algorithm. I'll just keep 06.30 There are many things happening of which we're not aware.

1:43:30 of Western civilization, for say, 2012 is a significant beginning of the change of society I call it digital intelligence. a quorum that's we have. When you find and find somebody who's at a disadvantage, who needs help, you reach out your hand in kindness. enforcement. He was angry. He acted out. And they encouraged him to go to Yeah. that governs the universe.

1:48:46 we've probably already done it to a certain extent, that these don't have all of these Yeah, it matters to the families. No, it's not the only way to do it. They're the same motivations that Napoleon had the same motivation And I think for human beings, they're extraordinarily beneficial and they have been for me. Yeah. Australia Pythagos if you told Australia Pythagos

1:52:27 Oh you asked very very good questions for which there's very few answers and but I think Usually, and almost entirely, by people who haven't experienced it. What are the numbers? I think, depending on the age group, of reality right now, Joe. Right. We're looking at you and Jamie, we have such a thin sliver of reality right now, Joe. We're, look at you and Jamie, we have such a thin sliver.

1:54:35 I demolecularize and I reassemble into a different form I wanna share with you my Billy Graham story. And this is about 1995, 1996. And he waited and said, Paul, I was sent here. Wow. It supports you in your religious beliefs of dedication to what you want and hope to mushroom hieroglyphics. Every one of them. Now, I sent this through Graham Hancock,

1:57:57 It's a desert. the highest strata of society, being lovers, He published this in 2016. Now he published this in 2016. it's just fascinating. How do they not know what it is? It collects, you can put water in it. at that one on the left. And here is a painting on papyrus, the Temple of Osiris, it also has very similar. And this next image, cult. And they could have been a family like, you know, heirlooms. How silly is

2:02:39 No, I don't see it. You don't see it? It's a hand with a vessel of blue liquid in it, two two images. So more the trees and it comes up. So there is the blue juice. And so if you take psilocybin, cubensis, first person that's noticed this. Oh, wow. He said he was tripping on psilocybin mushrooms. And I said, why? He goes, well, they're psilocin. Psilocin degrades enzymatically into indigo, the indigo molecule complex. And it's actually

2:06:07 are experimenting and they're inspired and they know this is a sacred substance, how elixirs and, you know, meads, honey beer. So, you know, don't underestimate the creativity Well, it's also a problem with this whole drug schedule thing. Because when it's schedule one, even talking physician who was also a mycologist. The difference and the similarity in wheel or

2:08:34 go out into nature and find them. one of the greatest mycologists ever Both of them asked me, Nature provides I don't. I mean, I am very strict. I don't feel it's ethical for me to They were honed over the centuries to how to properly administer these sacraments. How could you give this kid this name? they've used psilocybin mushrooms throughout history.

2:12:31 It gives you this hyper state of consciousness. It's not speedy. Nothing like a stimulant? You were going on about what the blue lotus does though? of the flower are attributed to two a how you say that a Aporphine? Aporphine, alkaloids. Apomorphine and nuciferin? So much like some of the dopamine agonists that have like weird psycho side effects it was hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and

2:15:40 would lead to, they think, gambling problems. but also like this guy was saying is still at the infancy of its science. hypotension, delirium hallucination, seizure, coma. Pfizer settles lawsuit tying sex and gambling addictions to dopamine meds. Financial review reports, Sounds like Las Vegas to me. him as he gambled away three million dollars. Wild. Yeah, I would be just a word of caution. When you read headline articles like this, you

2:19:31 Because there's a lot of things that come with it, right? It's not just as the individual compound, right? I think AI will be fantastic. We have to give psilocybin to AI, I just don't know how to do it., it could that be programmed in I don't know compassion psychedelic experiences feeling of connectedness Well that might be a part of what psychedelic plays in all this that might be that might be our parachute

2:21:53 What I do with my family, what I do with my home, etc. Which you'd die from dehydration of absorbing the mushrooms. Like, an individual does not have the right I mean, maybe someone who's very vulnerable, maybe someone who has schizophrenia, maybe They've taken, I think, 60 patients, end of life, anxiety, most of them stage four diagnoses, with Roots to Thrive, I highly recommend them.

2:24:34 that they knew, you know, how important that was. And to have So you think about, wow, mind over matter. does is crush your immune system. And all the fear that was being propagated by the media, this constant like death bell that There's all these different mitigating factors I think psychedelics and a particular psilocybin is a very major high priority. Individual use of psilocybin is not. And that's how it should be. I

2:27:57 Not that I love lawyers, but one of the best lawyer strategies I've ever seen in my life waste the court and the public's money focusing on psychedelic Decriminalization I think is, I think it should be legal. they would reconsider if that was done. psychedelics in California. Is that a finding issue? of what these things do, progressive state. And so I think the ballot initiative gets politicians out of the hot seat.

2:31:44 It's always a pleasure to talk to you Here, here, get out of freaks.