Joe Rogan Experience #2138 — Tucker Carlson Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. No, no, no, you can, this is just, Kona blue is a Think I did didn't get to me of medical analysts under the direction I wonder a lot of things. working their way through the VA system. we can say conclusively the phenomenon is real. these propulsion systems that violate what we know about propulsion systems. the US government who's, well look let me just start by saying that you

5:11 You at the US military has been forced to respond to it. So like move to keep the public from knowing about it. Well, I don't know. I mean, clearly, you know, the US government is huge. But, yeah, they're working on all kinds of things, obviously, that are classified. Well, right. I mean, the prophet Ezekiel writes about it in the first chapter, Wheels in the

7:44 But also because like it'd be nice to know So they're from here and they've been here And there's a ton of evidence that are under the ocean No, it was before. And I imagined that I was like some kind of free thinker and you know, I'm going against UFOs, 9-11, circumcision, you know, Exactly, but probably unlike you, It wasn't that I was like so in love with Trump though

10:33 That's so out of the realm. and I knew it was true. reached out to me and said, actually, there's a ton of evidence that this UFO thing is real. that actually this is really a very heavy duty question. What information did you get Like it rots name to it you want, but like what are these things? It doesn't, you know, it goes outside of what we understand about physics.

13:59 So if you have a craft in this object underwater And there's video of these things coming out of the sky Yeah, I don't think some of it's that blurry. For sure. if not going back to the 30s, 90 years, to what end? the U.S. military isn't capable of protecting the country, relationship with these things? And there's evidence that there is a relationship and

16:36 and it's known because it's working its way what that adds up to, like not good, actually, not good. So he's an expert in brain injury. Do you know him? Yeah. Yeah Stanford Medical School. And it's not exactly radiation, at least in his telling to me. I would wonder how much interaction they really do have with these things. and I wouldn't really have much concern

19:50 that acts on people, a supernatural world And that's the world that we've grown up in, but that's an anomaly. And in fact, that battle, that unseen battle around us, if I had to guess some of this stuff is ours. And some of these on these programs, they don't tell anybody. We're probably not the only ones work on these things And the question is, if that's true,

23:58 something was like us on another planet but lived uninterrupted with technology advancing for a thousand years, What are we going to see? I mean, I have no doubt that the US government where nuclear technology came from, actually. said to me, actually, I've spent a year working on this, that we're not read in on right of course And what is that? Well, you know, when we study primates,

27:25 to having human beings near them. Oh yeah, they'll tear you apart. They don't make eye contact. So they don't worry about the people at all. That's a very good question That's a good question. computers, it'll use quantum computers. We didn't have shit and now we have we could send videos from your phone and it'll hit New Zealand in a second. evolution.

31:45 reproduce that. So if you take artificial sentient intelligence and it Sure. The second stage, which we're in the middle of, So the story hasn't really changed. is there's a spiritual component here for sure. It's bad to be controlled by machines. like COVID that spreads across the world inexorably. If it's bad for people, And since it's not alive,

34:55 I'll just say I'll just admit it on the right, you know to drop nuclear weapons on people, then you are evil. how about no? or enslave the human race. to bits, the universe still exists. And God created- But it does matter. If you're not comfortable, it matters. Right, is it, that is the evil, right? The limits of your power are really obvious. And do what you can, knowing that you're probably

37:59 it could get away from us and enslave us. Like, why is that crazy? Right. But if we don't think people are important, In what sense? There's tons of record of adaptation from a single cell amoeba. No, we have not found that at all. Right. You don't think that we understand more today? But they wouldn't have done that even with the nuclear bomb. And I don't mean to sound too judgmental about the bomb,

41:46 to the moral qualms of individuals very well. Like California, for example, is completely, the state both of us have lived in, is collapsing, with no trackable results? Did you really? um, he smelled like sulfur. But what's happened to the state and people living on the street? What is this? But my point is, AI is being driven Our grid can't handle AI just as a practical matter.

44:09 like they have brownouts, like in South Africa, Really? but AI gets a carve out, They're mad about my wood stove. Well, I grew up in a world where a wood stove Is it like an offset smoker? Like you have to kind of fiddle with it for a while. Oh, it's one. How do you make sure it's the right temperature? Is it like like an offset smoker? Basically the let's in air.

45:54 and the whole process takes a while. Does that help? Which is embarrassing. Now you're going on this, like. it's the one thing to be proud of in your people, So the point of a sauna is to bake. So the sauna hat, the felt hat, And what you want is you want to cook evenly, which goes to 15 minutes, They're embarrassing, and you look like a tool wearing it.

48:37 It's pretty obvious. Yeah, he's not doing that. He's a real guy like the measure of humility is really really simple We worked out for like two hours, and then we got in the sauna together, Well, I do it by myself, so no one sees my sauna. So really hard workout cold plunge starts the day. That's the the first of my day is pretty easy. So really hard workout. Cold plunge starts the day.

50:02 You know what I mean? of the value of discipline and hard work. kid to being someone who understands like, oh, there's a path and most people don't want the value of dedication and of a singular commitment to something, complain about the dumbest fucking shit because to them that is that their Everybody was friendly. to and it just put things into perspective.

52:52 But that's a good, I think it's a, of the difficulty it gave me a tool to mitigate the stress of regular life. Yeah. She was raised in an apocalyptic cult Well, a boy invited her to the movie Conventional American teenager Well I'm not surprised. Well, that's the problem. Well, it's not only not in the conversation, you're punished for adding it to the conversation.

55:54 Right. Right. you know, they're frauds. seems to at least be more diagnosed than ever before, people will instantly say, we stopped And we all do, by the way. What if it's six months old? What if it's six months old? What are you sweating? If you ignore it, you're a science denier. I'll take the shit croissant, it's smaller. What I object to is the absence of reason.

59:20 So the lack of reason is what freaks me out. It is. It is religion. were overall detrimental to the people that were- And I think that meeting cult, it's so trite to call it that now. It's like whatever this thing is, this leftism, You can't differ from the doctrine. Maybe you should assess everything that way. because they won't get vaccines, Try to tell the truth all the time.

1:02:08 Right. That's for sure. than you, because they're running things What makes it particularly galling and hard to live with I don't like it, but at least it has internal coherence. And if they do the same kind of thing again and again from the defense contractors, Those are the terms. media. What we're on right now is essentially mainstream media. It used to be, you could

1:05:21 information in different forms now But it's like, I guess what bothers me to tell me a lie when I know it's a lie participate in my lie. Right. The lack of stealth. Um, I'm not explaining it very well, Like, okay. and high self-esteem is, it is really the marker of our time. I really believe better people than I am, know they have humility. Greatest White House Press Secretary of all time. She's the best. I had stopped paying close attention

1:08:51 I mean that's what it should be. She's the goat. but I was a reporter, so I would go to them occasionally. Like they're in this tiny little room, at like a good restaurant and charge it to the company. you had to like get back to work. He works at the White House. He's in the White House press corps and It's amazing. which was then leveraged by the candidate

1:11:43 and you know, naughty behavior and and, like, you know, write up their little reports, would ever do a job like that. so you've got a better experience with them, They're just like the lowest. I've ever met in my life. but he didn't know it, and he would kind of philosophize. on the rim of the glass. but his real interest was in writing about movies.

1:14:41 Yeah, they're not creative. They're creative adjacent. is when they get caught, So that's what comedy's like. So if you got a guy who knows how to repeat other people's jokes There's nothing wrong with hiring a writer. but they would be like, guys, he would bounce stuff off. Tell me what I could change tell me what I can make better and they work together

1:16:57 I don't know. Town. Yes, like you just he's a master. He's you watch him. He's Yoda. You're like Jesus Christ. Like how is he so good? that's an ego thing. That's a like, I want the laughs. creativity is about how does this concept work This is not just a flippant thing. Now I'm not letting you think for me. And I would say this also goes for ideas, for commentary.

1:19:46 with no weird agenda that they're not telling you about who are pushing a very The fact that a sovereign human being who articulate opinions you disagree with, Yes. What do you mean by that? of sleight of hand maneuver. did Tulsi Gabbard do wrong no one will tell you she's just bad yeah and then So it's like I just don't like that person She's a very intelligent person.

1:23:23 what I was talking about. who thinks that America shouldn't be funding wars Doesn't mean they're terrible people or I hate them or I'm not friends. And if somebody is not allowed to speak But this guy is facing prison time under the Biden DOJ he's a member of a pretty small He's accused of saying things the Biden DOJ doesn't like. and that's a massive threat to Russia.

1:26:07 that's not, you don't have to be a paid propagandist Fed say. Yes, to spread propaganda. So that guy is, that guy right there. The FBI raided his house. Now, first of all, weaponized our first amendment rights? and I reached out to this guy by the way. freedoms Russia denies its own citizens and I'm like, okay, clearly there's a crime here. of the United States disagrees with. Okay, that's not a crime other than they said something that the foreign policy establishment of the United States disagrees with.

1:28:42 Okay, hold it. with impersonating agents of a foreign government. that the US government, the Biden administration This seems very obvious to me. You can't allow that. You absolutely cannot allow that if as the 2015 United Nations petition to decry the genocide of African people in the US according thing to decry genocide. The United Nations petition of 2015 to decry the

1:31:19 you will see that the only crime is having opinions Like that's how they get you. They learned these things? in America, I don't even know what that means. Right. to any opinion you want, like, is there something that I'm missing? They sent, they sent like, it's on the internet. It's on X. I have the video on there. They sent like to them than their views on speech and the First Amendment.

1:34:34 We all knew that. the revolutionary socialism. They're ridiculous. They don't mean anything. In fact, we've moved, the categories right and left are just like, now they're actually ridiculous. They're ridiculous. They all agree on the things that matter. Okay, we just imagine that in a free market, that's a good thing. Tell me why that's a good thing who benefits from that Why are we for that again? I'm not for that. I think the credit card companies are villains and

1:36:20 And my position is super simple. is the United States, because I live here. They get off on hurting people and on the power Like they don't have people who love them. Like I can't get my wife to respect me. But whatever the reason, it's totally disconnected from what's good for the country. Like I interviewed, anyone who wants to see it can interview.

1:38:35 You know, like I actually liked the guy. which is there was a reason for this invasion. which is to announce any press briefing When Putin's got troops massed on the Ukrainian border, you send your vice president to the Obviously. something like that. A lot of people are saying those things and the Republican Party is like, if you let the weak get crushed, it's bad.

1:41:46 so many people, why they would get so many agents, Right, but it feels like there should be more to it. Is that the problem? We've never taken any money from Russian government accompanied by increasing repression and an attempt to criminalize left-wing opposition to the unpopular war So we have a legal system, we have laws, and you can't actually go to jail unless you violate

1:44:15 they're not charged with violating sanctions regulations. yeah well that's the confronting of reality you're forced to examine your beliefs and why you came to those beliefs in the first place that's the confronting of reality you're forced to because they- it's the basis of anything that improves you as a person And that is like changing your mind.

1:46:13 from what it was 10 years ago. well Yeah, they throw it all at you, you could ever call somebody. And I thought really the people I dislike most well you've been called racist, I don't think that works as much anymore. hours and hours of talking about things, like to try this reductionist perspective of someone That whole thing is fucking crazy. how he was in San Francisco and he was like,

1:49:22 they're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. They just run up to the moral high ground It's some junkie who's dying in misery Now there's tons of people that are working But why are they not treated as like the most reprehensible people in our society? and they let these people sleep there. Like what jobs? And so to get into the Capitol, when there's a massive homeless city there, people dying

1:52:08 that that's disgusting? it's bizarre that they can rationalize it or at least that they don't get called out by all their people and the migrant workers, American born aid agencies, There are a lot of people who seem to be There are certainly forces There's no advantage to you at all. And I think we're seeing it at scale, who had similar childhoods to mine,

1:55:03 It seems like it's always been a narrative throughout human history good-looking dogs. I have a beautiful dog. I have a golden retriever, but he's Fair. I listened to him this morning, yeah. Yeah, the New Year shows, so they've always played 13. grr! I don't know how that, that picture is hanging in my barn That picture was taken, so my dad was a reporter

1:58:10 They like came through DC and they like called him I'll never forget that. We drove our Vespa down to sixth and E. And we drove our Vespa, it was freaking cold out. I'll never forget that we drove our Vespa down But anyway, so my brother and I drove to the New Year show, and puts a ticket around my face, And I left my little brother in the park Standing on the stall smoking cigarettes.

1:59:51 but other than nicotine and coffee, but yeah, They played Spoonful, like they didn't play Spoonful a lot. but there he was, he appeared like an hour later. And I love the fact that they had two drummers. and it's the universal sound but they would play a section of every show was just drums. And I like that kind of music. I do feel like creativity art has been completely destroyed

2:02:25 and music, for some reason, has escaped that Some kind of art. Whoa! And... and just being completely trapped Is that it just takes you out of it. without being distracted by something. and like eating with people And we have dinner parties constantly, I think that's also led to the rise of podcast too because they don't they don't get that in their real life

2:05:35 it was in my living room with my friend Brian, Like every bad story, like, like a real warehouse, know I hate it I like long form but I never I was a long-form magazine writer I'm not making any money doing this. Five? I remember very clearly, I was on stage once in Chicago You could get download numbers from the host. between podcasting and Billy Strings.

2:08:43 I mean, I haven't met a person in the past year who said, you know, I thought this but then I was reading the New York Times exposed as being incorrect, well now you have a more nuanced understanding of what the subject is about, why people think incorrect things. Platform, oh, you mean letting an adult human being talk? Otherwise, it's just masturbatory.

2:10:26 as possible despite what your differences might be. and it begins by creating false categories And I have to say your willingness to platform through name calling. And when you hear Alex Jones talk, I was like, let's go. wants to talk about mental health health and they want to praise people when you see He called it. Let's just say that's the fact set.

2:13:40 How did you do that at length? The supernatural is real. visions of information come to them and then they relay it. I mean, that's just like, they're not like everybody else. about what was going on in the government. you know, at some point soon, one of the more interesting things about him is that like Technology let's go Let me know what your thoughts are.

2:17:57 Yes, I'm gonna give you the biggest lot of Joe there yeah, I like it in this room right now for real And people can't even handle that. I don't get into aliens, metaphysical, religion, any of that. The bad ones didn't want to organize because they lost after power. So we're like a thought or a dream that's a wisp in some computer program, some God's mind,

2:20:07 To which level we want to go to we have free will so evils allowed to come and contend and not just good about building us up. And so Google was set up 18, 19 years ago. This was, I knew about because of unlimited pleasure, but because we were already wired and absorbed before The AI, how'd they get, how'd the pedophile? So. because why, who is Alex Jones a threat to?

2:22:58 Were you? Yeah. Christianity, Hinduism, has believed that there is I exactly better put than I than I explained it. That's exactly right Come together for strength and safety they act as one the hive The hive mind is specific to a certain group of people, I know that you have this experience all the time. And so that does suggest, you know, I've been cruel to people,

2:25:52 I certainly have not always been on the right side. There's no political explanation for the trans phenomenon. There's no upside. It's hard to treat, but you try. There's no real upside. even a completely secular person like me, Well, I don't know, I don't get to choose. In their face. And so I kind of like, I don't want change. said if I was Satan, if Satan was real I would do that. Exactly. If I was, if Satan's

2:28:53 I mean, the thing about- Sure. And so that's how you know that it's supernatural. There's no real psychic benefit. I would anybody want to make money that way right well Right, they're not escaping it. It's always been that way. You know, Tarantino was talking to us about this famous old director I'm sure. I didn't really register with me. creative people are this way kind of thing.

2:32:02 I remember the big con. I remember that he was a pig. I was not, like, an intimate friend of his or whatever, Yeah, well, that was certainly what everyone thought of him. He was like Harvey Weinstein. and I did see Alex Jones clips in 1999. How dare you the building seven one is wild what is why it is why I mean I have no what all I know is about the Kennedy assassination.

2:33:45 for the dignity of this white, you've got a door in the bathroom in your bedroom, right? to us that's why but 9- like, what is the justification for that? You know, the wildest thing about Tower 7 is that Yeah. maybe. And how would they know it would even work? Yeah, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. that are in the basement, so they have all this fuel,

2:36:39 I'm agnostic on it. You know what I mean? and I couldn't get a straight answer to that, I text a lot of foreign nationals because of my job. Like, why wouldn't I? Leaving that aside, we spied on you. I'm certainly not a victim, Oh, well, you know, I don't possess a drone fleet. And it's scary. The New York Times? I mean, I've been around the New York Times a lot.

2:39:17 Like maybe they all support the agenda of the US government You know, you make sure that things don't go too far. And with the help of Bob Woodward, He's a Naval Intel officer. Oh, the number two guy at the FBI. No, no, no. We will only confirm him when they sent the actual elected vice president away for tax evasion, And so, sorry for the long story, but the point is,

2:42:30 That's real, it's like, look it up on Google. not disputed facts. That's not crackpot shit. That's just look it up Obviously it's ending globally. between Richard Nixon when he was still president, And he was really interested in why There was the impression. I don't think I know that Nixon understood that the bureaucracy was really in control of the country. It wasn't elected officials and

2:45:09 So I knew some of the actual players in this, but I didn't connect the obvious dots because It's a matter of seeing it for what it is, right? So like if I'm the president and you're the CIA director He doesn't say anything. That's like not a good response, right? I mean, you know, Trump is saying, more books written on that than almost any historical topic,

2:47:54 of federal law, kept those documents secret. And I know that when I spoke to someone who'd seen the documents two years ago and I got and I got a phone call from Mike Pompeo's lawyer. He's in my car. What did he say to that? He was caught. So that's who Mike Pompeo is. Why would you get criminal and give him nuclear weapons? And by the way, you know, whatever, that's all I'll say.

2:51:29 run the intel committee, the people whose job it is to oversee and keep in line these They do so through elections. It's not a democracy. I don't have evidence of that, but I know them. like, why are they doing that? that that could be happening. in one of the legislative bodies, And he said, and I'm quoting, I know. it's Epstein's Island, it's everything.

2:54:23 is not acting on behalf of because they're secretly perverts and creeps. Here's the children. Here's the like op Right. What vessel do they choose the weak? and he's not saying motherfucker ever, you know what I mean? are. don't want their lives exposed. denied him Secret Service protection Like, people just didn't do things You rely on people to just not do bad shit

2:58:33 And they're like, well, we're doing it. did it through an encrypted app. he's first of all an excellent and principled person, I'm not sure that's how you, Yeah, Eric is a good friend of mine and I have a couple of those phones. Congressman Mike Turner in Jim Heim. These are people who are working for permanent Washington. will be required to help the government spy.

3:01:56 Like there are more spies than there are people. more than the North Korean government spies on its. or something, like every person should demand, just as a starting point, a baseline, that And you also have to take into consideration that these people that are ahead of these Surveillance Act since I think 1977. So it predates 9-11. Did it stop 9-11? Oh, I don't

3:03:51 So using my safety as a pretext for spying me is not going to fly because I'm not that they all are the same. about global climate change. That, no, you go through every climate, quote, It's about making them more powerful and disempowering you. No, it'll only change when like, we believe in democracy as a principle. And so, as you're choosing your leaders,

3:06:24 Like, the basic prerequisite for leadership And short of that, it can't be fixed. but you're misunderstood. I don't think I'm radical at all. Yeah. Thank you, Tucker.