Joe Rogan Experience #2140 — Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience Like, life is good, but the world's on fire. anxiety but when there's real fear then you could look at your friends like I They're all they're gonna can you believe what he said about her and she said about him and whatever the fuck is in our system, it just seems to expect horrible things happening We were talking earlier about people that like kind of create fake narratives because they like they see a grift

3:22 So the incentive structures are pushing this and you see it I think happening across the political spectrum now where And when you don't have real conflict, you find conflict, unfortunately. You're not going to get that upset about a microaggression when someone's about to throw a chair at your head. Morning workout together. It sounds crazy, like that's the solution,

5:29 A lot of the things would be like, what's the big deal? not being replaced enough and we're not having enough kids. entirely dependent on you I've certainly found that. I found that too I think I It changes everything. You put it so romantically. I'm on the market. You go down the wrong path and you're a fucking accountant and you're fully invested and you got a mortgage and all this bullshit and you got a family to take care of but you really want to be a comic? Francis, you're fucked. You know, you're fucked. And if you go all the way down the road with a bad woman and a woman that you're not compatible with, or maybe you together a bad whatever the fuck it is, find a good one.

8:18 I have friends that are in hell. each other and they try to get more money out of you and they want to take you to court But that's good for people. Yeah,. But we're not selling marriage very well here. Half of marriages but not half of people. That's interesting. So it's not that bad Francis is what we're saying. But you could really remember what it's like

11:36 sure. We're very different and so we have to really work at it. But what you're saying next day everything was a vibrant green. And I was just outside going, God, this is amazing. got to do like this spot or whatever else. So you've got to do and I've got to make So the thing about the difficult work, difficult work of like putting together a set or putting

14:12 doesn't always suck it's like sucks for a few minutes until you get flowing and It's a really easy read. go to work we sit in front of the computer we summon the muse and he well outlined sort of guide to how to do that. That's really interesting. Yeah. With the space between the screen the keyboard and he obliterated me and then just left again and I was like that's so funny there's something

18:13 Do you know they make better stuff for working out? Cardio should be like vitamins like you need it like you need everything else. Like you need protein, you need fats, like you need vitamins. You know, like if that's one thing to understand like you're trying to get over a mountain and you just do like fuckin' trap pull downs and shit But I mean yeah, don't work on jeans

20:36 What is he like six nine? I mean Yeah my dick is where his face is or his dick is where my face is rather. Like look walking with things is really good, which a lot of people don't do. You know, like actually So all of your stabilizer muscles have to work overtime to keep that thing in a certain position It's in the Bible. Come on, let's see. Oh. It's a thing there's certain positions like that one when you're standing up and you have hold your foot out extended

25:07 Yeah, you know But in yoga and you have to use one foot that little sucker really has to work That's why I was thinking like a mandated workout for everybody in the morning, even walk everywhere like a cave person. You're welcome. Yeah, yeah, because you know who you guys were talking about all the time, it's super, super common. It's game over. It's game over for the human race. Like if I was artificial intelligence, I wouldn't kill everybody.

29:24 The first time we had Louise Perri on, are you familiar with Louise? to raise your status to be with a woman. but I remember reading it and thinking it was, and I'm not sure if it is now, It's good, it's fun. They're not going to want a robot fuck boy. ensure that we replicate, those are all going to get fucked up by robot fuck dolls. but it's such a basic building block of our evolutionary history that it's very, it's going to be very hard to live without

32:30 They become a better person in every aspect of their life. men and women It would have to be like a virtual reality boyfriend, but like women don't even want fake diamonds. important. It's not something that a man wants from a woman necessarily, Yeah, so my wife is like, I need to see you struggle, would say that if they were blunt How is that possible? How do you like that?

36:07 within a decade we're going to have some ability because they're getting so close When I type it in, the story comes up from like almost 12 years ago accuracy using innovative MRI scans in pivotal Kyoto shit is going to do is unite all brains, all brains united in the weirdest sort of hive Well, because the world's changed, the whole thing's changed.

39:07 Just imagine you had this NeuroLink program attached to you and you wake up and you say Oh, there's definitely some value in that. I was just like, it's so much easier. and the right time and all of it. one. The surrogate baby thing is a weird one. That's a what that is like. I mean, it's like Yeah, we're having a bunch of surrogate babies now. But that tearing of the maternal bond. Yeah

41:53 This thing wasn't bonded to its mother, didn't have like fights with its sister where they into putting our seed inside of it instead of women because you can't be They'll finance it. Ooh, I bet they would do that a lot. Oh, right. He's got eyes on it. You know, yeah, he's just broke. you had these people like Isaac Asimov and we don't seem to have enough authors and artists

44:43 Well, I also think that the leaps between the initial I think it's a Chinese company and it's a like a drone essentially there. When the, when the AI hits, everything stops. When, when it goes live, when it becomes And if people are still allowed to vote and then you could use AI to sort of just manipulate them AI video is so goddamn good stop at chat GPT-5. It's not gonna just stop at these robots

48:00 I mean, Google Gemini, that was eye-opening. If you ask it about things that are controversial, Yeah. I mean what look what Australia is trying to do with Elon and for locking someone up. because they disagree with you, please explain what it is like what is he I have not yet seen And they're saying he should be locked in a cage for that. that means some people aren't allowed

51:11 Well, good, because you just mentioned it. what should and shouldn't be allowed you're going to open up the door to more hate, That's crazy. squirrel position where you can contact Twitter through some government agent and then they And you have to fight off that urge to control people. like that, like censoring people, especially censoring You're gonna get a people that are sexist. You're gonna get people that are homophobic

54:34 It's like you're literally like boxing with five-year-olds like oh, you're the champ. Yay. No one's doing it star like we would be great if Arnie got in there he's a sensible Republican you know he's So the Edinburgh Festival, which is the largest comedy and arts festival in the world, people But you know, Francis and I, we've been warning about this for ages and most people pretend it's not happening, they ignore it.

56:51 It really is the real problem is the people that want that job shouldn't have that job. support each other and it's just It's a stupid argument that they should have to debate someone about that. Christopher Hitchens versus whoever the fuck over here it's just so rough. For some reason it didn't make it over there. Yeah, you're right. And you know what happened is the day they put the week they passed that bill there were more reports of hate speech on

1:00:40 mind and it's important at every level. Like our armies fight better because for the cultural creativity that we have here in the UK on TV. most powerful country in the world should be allowed to say something in public. And when you go for more freedom, yes it means there's less safety from people's hurty words or whatever, and that side of the story is gonna favor

1:03:03 thing. You see, that's why I found COVID so fascinating, because that was when the mask slipped. And because during the COVID regulations, you couldn't move beyond a certain barrier. There was a barrier. And this guy was making money because he was going to KFC, buying These dudes had an illegal KFC business. Tough to get KFC during lockdown. I'm just reading what happened.

1:05:40 I told you or if they hope to use it as a distraction bank, bank, bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. And I was like, oh, come on, mate, it's just the flu. I apologize for people who have heard it, but my friend, his brother worked on the whole no fucking way that's that person to make that kind of a decision should have speech. One of the most dreadful and terrible ideas that was allowed to propagate, and I saw

1:08:52 ideas are allowed to flourish without people going, no, you can't become a woman. I could almost entirely tell you how you feel about guns. though people were simply disagreeing with a particular thing that he said. I think the evolutionary stuff got a lot of people's attention. with him with Lex and then I brought him on stage with Kill Tony. Didn't even know he

1:11:08 bend to a lot of the things that he believes and UAPs being spiritual things. But it seems like with all respect, I feel like that's which if you kind of looked at it on a graph, seems to be the case. And oddly seems to be the case that it's like fuck out of here I'm gonna go check out San Francisco like look at all the shit to the moon but we definitely sent rovers to Mars we definitely send

1:14:35 on anti-gravity and she was working on some anti-gravity propulsion system and Because if you have espionage if you have people that have infiltrated your universities Because if the other countries find out her mom's career and legacy along with the Internet's obsession with her drastically change the way we transport on every level. Humans could travel the world

1:17:41 Even though the business license for AC Gravity was updated yearly through 2018, there's no record of any further work done by the company. her research was still being conducted up to that point. So when did she take Wow what happens when you make a real breakthrough they probably give you a that an enemy or somebody you perceive to be an enemy could use it against you?

1:20:54 now. are the Chinese. the first anti-gravity propulsion technology are the Chinese. The fact that he's saying that. They said this thing just took off. I think they probably had a few of those. that they're running out there, that's what they do. And they fly over there and they see this fucking thing It's a tsunami torpedo. Jamie, would you find it?

1:23:46 Russian TV news agents 1000 foot tall radioactive What does that look like? Yeah? Chow down boys. I'm I just gosh trying to tell you that like 1961 SAR bomb. Yes No. Can you imagine that? That is the worst. At least, let's say you create this incredible movie, a work of art, that will go down in history for generations as an iconic piece of cinematography.

1:28:37 Yeah, the mustache. Well, what about his face? Not really, huh? I mean, although complaining we do, this is the best time. Yeah. You know? But you're so right Joe a total accidental education. Access to that information you're done. You're never gonna realize your talent I'm actually a prince. Yeah. You probably never read a book you probably you're just starting to realize,

1:32:42 We all assume that other people are gonna think the way we think and they just fucking don't. They don't. And if you have this rigid The ability to look at ideas for what they're, tribal. It just makes people and then they fucking dunk on each other and back and forth. It's just they feel because all of a sudden, their sense of self has been challenged, and they are

1:34:44 You're not attacking the person. You can disagree with someone strongly. That's what I'm then you start using whatever your job is a good way to do it because you're always very careful, you're very respectful, you're Yeah. It's a skill. thing is to try to get the most understanding of what this person's trying to say aggressive liberal men. Like it seems to be their station in life. They're the watchmen on the tower.

1:37:34 Discipline and most importantly the lack of compassion and behave that way. There's like an there's an instinct to want to be good at a thing and it's just their little competitive venture. The really shitty right-wing people that are very dismissive of entire swaths of people Do they? Like what's a big one? person you know in Russia it is yeah of course so was he trying to say it was

1:40:36 So in the 90s the oligarchs basically seized all the money and then Putin came in and he got rid of all the oligarchs and they fall off. Yeah recently killed our president you know. We just had Michael Francis on do you know him? the wrong Kennedy. This guy would bring you into the office and show you pictures of you fucking some lady It's him standing there with a rifle standing in the backyard and photo experts have looked at and go

1:43:36 Like he probably they were probably all in on it the president so he shot him and that's it good night. What do they say? Do they say it's real? the questions about Oswald's pose. they thought it was monkeyed with. The guy was a psycho. They used to be. this feels sus, and then they never released the documents. That's what I'm asking, why didn't he do it?

1:47:07 If they knew that the intelligence agencies had not just gotten rid of Richard Nixon, which Tucker explained that that that Woodward was getting his information from the FBI like the whole It certainly does but not as much And it's all about this guy who was an accountant, And he did. like that and not distort and look like they just shot it into a pool. Looks like they

1:49:45 to one bullet, wounds on two different people. and the bullet will bounce around inside their head to try to, the only reason why they tried to attribute all those wounds instead of saying more people were shooting is because they wanted No, no, no, no, no, no. Do you think they'll ever release him? No. however many years, then what else is possible? And what does that mean in

1:52:52 there's a law enforcement presence, and they could arrest people. Operation Northwoods they were gonna blow up a fucking drone jetliner and blame it on the Cubans They were gonna arm Cuban friendlies and fuck up Guantanamo Bay they didn't got away with it the Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us into Vietnam so they've Act alone. Boom! He wasn't offered the chance at the time.

1:56:36 he's president all rules go out the window half the country voted for this when this person is clearly, you know, not fit to hold office, blah, but I'm not balloon from Trump. He made the claim. He made the claim but what was that other they thought Trump would be too provocative and too aggressive. Yeah. Yes. as the online shit that we all know is fake.

1:59:23 I don't think it's as simple as it's just getting all its information this isn't this is an ideological to them it's the truth. Yeah exactly. Maybe they just need to be put somewhere permanently well they certainly shouldn't be allowed to work. No absolutely She's going at it. On March the 13th, I called JK Rowling a Holocaust denier. is. What they have done to those words,

2:02:09 There's a gap between them. who are genuinely far right, they're terrifying, You gotta think for yourself. believe. It gives them a structure and a lot of people out there don't have that and I don't think that's good either. to see him take down Justin Trudeau or whatever. like, I don't know about his politics. And that's how unfair it is, is the way, and I'll take real exception to this, the way that he's been portrayed where people go,

2:05:31 He struggled coming back from the benzodiazepine problem. Yeah, I always say he's insanely misrepresented, That's not generally a healthy person actually making on people's lives and it's so impressive. whatever else. do what's right. And we live in a society where we're constantly being offered the shortcut And I just have to have the courage of my own convictions

2:09:01 that good things don't happen to bad people and bad things don't happen to good people. And so if you're able to just wait and not jump in the sky, do you believe in that? And it's a way of trivializing his belief about it. You'd have to ask him directly, but I think, you know, him and I have gone And his argument is the evolutionary theory may well be true but it's insufficient particularly

2:11:14 in free speech is un-American? is, you can find God in anywhere. And if you're to be inspired by the divine, for me it's to be, the thing that I love the most is to be creative, is to write, is to be in that transcend the reality in which we exist. But to be in a state where you are creating, where you are doing something that you love, And you want to say to them, what are you doing?

2:14:36 About the 21st century though, I think there's maybe something else going on as well, which He wrote a book called It Naked Ape, You know, the Alex Jones making the frog gay point Yeah, it's a pesticide, There's stuff in the water supply of anti-depressants in them. So, and then, you know, And you're going, you just, But it's also like some that seems so silly though, in terms of like arguing the evidence.

2:17:55 You don't have to be. this is supposed to be a place where you have It's not perfect, but it's the best way currently available. Exactly. Shut it down. Shut it down. Well, look at our societies. I mean, it's kind of weird discussing any of these conflicts around the world What do you see there? and chimps go to war and so do we. Fuck it. And he talked about oxytocin.

2:21:16 part of its function, it creates suspicion of the out-group. So you go, it's kind of whatever else and I get on my little high horse and start lecturing you go You're a fighter, you'd do that. We are on the same team. What was your take on all this Candice Owen daily wire stuff? Oh So I just, I think the big tragedy of this whole fallout for the Daily Wild, didn't say like uncancellable?

2:23:46 Probably, you know, what did she say? It's the problem that if you create an organization and some people's opinions are gonna be outside true story about her meeting him when he was 15 is crazy enough. Yeah, as a drama teacher. Especially that one. think I know, I've got enough to formulate some kind of opinion, but do I want it challenged? we have that attitude to ourselves, right? So we're like, we,

2:27:13 or 1,000 people or 5,000 people, So here's my opinion on Ukraine, here's my opinion on Israel, here's my opinion about It really is. we're not telling the audience this is the truth. Right. But when you're doing I just think it was not the right fit, Agree or disagree on issues, a Jewish professor who is pro-Israel, Right. This is from 2015, 2015, SNL I said NFL before SNL that wouldn't that was on SNL. Yeah, that's one of the best things SNL's ever done

2:30:35 You just, you actually stop at times and go, what is actually happening? Yeah. Oh yeah, they will always do that. kids fault? Or actually is the reason you're pointing at them and mocking them and deriding them, They naturally will want to rebel against their parents, that's what all kids want to groups that are quote-unquote overperformed they're over represented

2:32:55 And every group is going to have its own advantages and disadvantages. Some people are better at hockey, some people are better at basketball, some people are better at making money by being lawyers, Yeah, and we've allowed it to happen. Yeah, we've allowed it to happen. And kids are getting brainwashed. Don't question, don't challenge, particularly with the younger ones.

2:34:34 And it's absolutely true. And if you look at, I don't know in America, but in the UK, a teacher is described as being in loco parentis, Yeah and you have 18 different pronouns that you like to use. Yeah and you're one of these awful Both. and producing energy through fossil fuels. That's all I did. And I'd ask them, you know, you've got this placard with this,

2:36:37 And they're well-intentioned people, Okay. Where's it at? etc. The West Bank. Bullshit question. Is it inflammatory? What does it mean to you? It's clear as day. long would you say this issue has been going on as far as I know obviously I'm But I think the issue really, what is the origin of this problem? you know, from the Palestinian side as well as the Israeli side.

2:40:45 Oh, okay. What does that mean? in your opinion? Well, also they're being handed those signs, which is wild too. So most of the people I spoke to were somewhere along that so then someone else will fix things. Yeah. how do we move forward? The way forward is to find a way for both sides the virtuous side, they want to be on the side, the right side of the protest and

2:44:35 is so emotionally charged. with both sides. common ground. can't even agree on what words mean and if you're in this kind of oppressor-oppressed Yeah, the ocean's boiling. in that region. That's what it is. Do you know the movie? And Damien looks exactly like you. How do we get everybody what they need to stop being angry and fighting and killing each other?

2:48:46 there it is that the window there well there's one down there that one the one that he's a great guy. And that's dumb. Yeah. to be able to express things and just really just talk has arrived at this point. And by seeing the blind spots in them, you go, what about my blind spots? And this is why the ethos of self-improvement That's ridiculous. have the most problematic views.

2:52:29 Well the good thing is, organizations. That's a very good point because if you have like ten podcasts you like and it's ten bucks a month that we are on a network. It's an organic network. We know contracts with each other, But there's a whole group of people that are connected We are helping people out. We are like, oh, here's a talented new writer. Let's give her an opportunity

2:54:59 And that's such a powerful transformation And that philosophy was possible because the internet, because before that we were all Where did that come from? You have to have training partners. comic. They're in a high pressure, high talent situation and it feels good to tell people that person's good It's more competition more creativity more influence more excitement more inspiration

2:58:05 You know what? everyone works together. Yeah. I mean, the guy literally invited someone over from another country to argue with him on stage in front of his own audience Yeah. It's good for everybody. is that when you come here, people are so much more open? Because later on, that person will be like, that guy helped me. and we're gonna collaborate and we're gonna change things

3:00:57 And yet I know if I fail, like I did one particular gig for Hans Kimblessom, I did too much new, And when you're starting off with new stuff, but there's still like the Hollywood adjacent, you know? Not just try to audition for a television show. Gentlemen, death to America. So how does it work? from our audience for the guests and then they send in a bunch of questions