Joe Rogan Experience #2147 — Mike Baker Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan podcast checking out. I got three boys and all three of them have mentioned this in the past few days, right? There's a real conflict there. Yeah, security guard injured in shooting outside Drake's home in Toronto. Oh, Jesus Christ of them, I think it must have been Drake who was talking about his, he dissed him by talking Yeah, dance off.

2:26 I mean, look, he's got some bangers. What did you say, Jamie? I don't get upset if she didn't write it. Yeah, but but you know he didn't write it and came out. But yeah, I'm just like, I haven't even think, there's tons of songs like that. Because people looked at him like, come on man, you ain't sexy. was included on his album Shine On But because of AI, they can get recordings of him singing and he could plug it into AI

5:14 for saying a bunch of racist things. But he's a dummy, and he didn't know that they can tell. So he must have had a secret recording and then in that secret recording, he took it And there's some interesting work being done in that space where if you film something, So where the focus has to be is on ensuring that anything that's being but people are getting duped constantly. It's a fascinating problem that is only going to get

8:07 He's in that weird pause. I don't know about that, but... need to send a check for $100,000 to our vendor, right, here's the details. Completely different person. that you never really said. we're going to war, like hey, is that real? But people have to be able to take that, and that's, I guess, where I'm going with this. Now we're really fucked. I don't want to, I don't want to, watching. Well, we're fucked. We're fucked. Now we're really fucked.

11:38 Yeah, 84, what, is that average nowadays? they almost always end up looking this way and 15% will always be on that side of it. people are between 85 and 115, and me, I'm in that sweet zone between 115 and 130. social intelligence. And there's people that are very brilliant people that I know that suck at You know, they're a brilliant scientist and they just they have very little social life. Maybe they're happy and in the science lab

14:33 well. They're kind. That means a lot. Yeah. I'm very happy they got that from us. It is. you've got to demonstrate that. The youngest boy is probably a savage. right? He's got to focus. That's because there's a lot of people around him who realize they can't concentrate on other people being happy. Got to do what he wants gonna do. I don't know what you're doing or what you're doing, but here's here's me. He's got a focus Yeah, that's cuz there's a lot of people around and realize it can't constrain other people being happy gotta do what he wants

17:03 friends. But by then, hopefully, you, they start to take some influence from their friends, you know, and they- Oh yeah. I'll tell you one thing, reports from the front lines of kids in high school today, Muggsy's like what 12 years old now and Right. And you got, you got kids walking around as furries. Tend to be more conservative and more less inclined to indulge people on their mental illness, you know, oh, you're a cat

19:29 Yeah so she hissed at him. Jesus Christ this is so indulgent. That's so crazy. You know what's Dorothy, where did it come from, Dorothy? I know that because I know a Dorothy. God. I don't need to celebrate it. You know or social value to like everybody has PTSD from like it could be This is crazy. Now, if you want to go to a, once you're a grown adult and you've got your own job and

22:27 with a stupid animal for some reason duck but that's how you know I'm not This time of year is is crew cut flat top season that crew cut, right? This kid is not angsty. He's not worried about anything, right? He's he's got the crew cut going on So you've got, yes, you've got the kids, you want them to do all those things, right? And so it is, and and and and you know my boys

25:43 think I realized it was a thing until I was 50. No, but that's like asexual. Right, but you're a woman, so how about take a shot at it? part. Yeah, yeah for the most part yeah. Yeah. Well just try to watch people like Now ask me what tires are. We went through the whole pandemic with one side screaming, believe the science, right? You can't leave the science in the hand of corporations that stand to profit if the science

28:25 And they do it for money. You know they do it for money. Everybody knows they do it for Moderna now. But you gotta be honest, And so it's whenever it's, yeah. to change someone's appearance. Have you ever seen that in person? Like Clark Kent. That's the greatest movie ever. a few minutes of this is making people uncomfortable. Mubarakallah, Muhammad Jihad

31:27 Act. That really takes me back to the operational days too. No, but I've talked to people wearing disguises when it comes to special effects, when it comes to makeup. Like a rubber nose. It could be a coat. And the key is when you're out on the street and you're in disguise, nobody is thinking So it's your body movements and your body language. Fourth world country, US, wherever, they're not thinking about it, right?

34:42 he got a fat suit. I've been on the streets of you, capital cities around the world where I'm part of the agency. That's a good way to put it, I guess. But a lot of times if you're trying to get on side with somebody, right? I'm going to come in. Leaning one shoulder against a wall, against the wall. If you hold your like if you hold your knife here and you hold your fork here, right and you just keep eating with this

38:28 Don't worry estranging countries where ice is not commonly consumed. Americans often greet Even if you're walking in the wrong direction. Americans are known for enjoying sweet treats Yeah. You were saying with the fork and knife thing that yeah Europeans keep a fork and one hand and knife or other they cut You a bit So fork goes back and forth. Now let's take a close look at the details. This is ridiculous.

41:36 your profile quickly. okay well. I want to see what it looks like. Wow people that pinch it here they're probably like European music that goes and then after he was on the show, fucking wig. Yeah. Yeah. That was. Yeah. It's a hell of a story. Crazy story. I was trying masks, right? Right. And part of it is, I don't know, it's- That doesn't do a goddamn thing.

45:27 The mustache. Because of the ability of... And it's got to be a country where you're operating where And here, of course, the problem is, you know, people are talking about civil liberties and, What do they say? They're young people. the funding of it, and the potential for that funding and the coordination to tie back to So it's layered, right? There's groups that have been actively engaging in this.

48:48 anti-israeli right and then you say okay well who's funding it right so you look that are engaged in all this. Right. How can you live with yourself? Because I think it's a big factor. You can kind of engineer what kids accept. They executed a world champion wrestler over that. If you were to switch on television in Moscow or in Tehran or in Beijing, you'll get a lot

52:45 And if they don't do that, then to your earlier point, yeah, we're fucked. and you've got an incurious public for the most part that doesn't take the time. You don't have time. It's not the worst time. fake, that's fake. We are making it very easy for them. It's fraught with peril. don't always lead to totalitarian, authoritative governments that take over

56:31 along and says hey you've never even functioned in the fucking real world. Do you want to be that guy? Then go do what he did. If you don't like what he did, Right or the the idea now what they're saying is like you got a big house. You got a couple extra rooms He's trying to clean his life up. It's wild. So maybe that accounts for what, 20,000 of these?

58:30 You want to talk about it, you want to have classes in Marxism or whatever, you want to and grad school and she kept her mouth shut for most of that time, six years, because and that's a terrible thought. Yeah. Right? Particularly when you're paying for it. But of our revenues from green energy in the future, near future, like a couple of years from now.

1:00:16 They can make a lot of money off of this bullshit. Well, some kids are just really bad at talking. mean? Yeah. One of the managing directors knew that I was going to sit back down with you and they it's not absolute, right? try to explain what this is, and what this problem is, and talk to me about the river Israelis view that as like you're talking for a destruction, genocide of Israelis, right?

1:03:19 But Palestinians can say it and it means something else. Yes, then you seem like if you want to be a good person You have to be a part of this group you have to go there and be a part of this protest Debate like a real legitimate honest intellectual debate and discussing all the various issues Exactly. with military conflicts that are happening Well, I think that the students for the most part, again, the actual students who have

1:06:40 Look Hezbollah, Hamas, they've got a lot of money. There have been years when they've given about $400 million to Hamas for a variety of reasons, But that's a lot of money, right? Ukraine, but he's driving around in a Rolls Royce What a great scene. But this is from a year ago. Mm-hmm videos go to videos It's not Russell Brand Some guy had no idea Russell Brand was Ukrainian. Is this it?

1:10:12 Look at that car. That's a bold move right there. important to the American people. The administration hasn't really accomplished that yet, in trying to They explained it. Here we go. Where'd you get those? Plus also, where's the money go? The idea that Ukraine is going to win the war and claim all their territory, bullshit. He doesn't you know he just wants to hold on to power, right? You want your two versions of what's going on? I hear the war has already been won by Russia and Ukraine is down to like a minimum amount of soldiers

1:12:57 So yeah, Ukraine has been hurting. we've suffered 31,000 fatalities on the battlefield. It's higher than that and it's higher on the problem for Ukraine. What does that mean? If you think that, okay, Putin takes Ukraine, who gives a fuck? So my experiences and other people's are different, so that's why you end up with differing opinions And fine. Why aren't we attacking Russian oil refineries, right?

1:17:06 The White House is saying, no, we don't want to escalate, so don't do that. Yeah, it's this way you want to go is this is this how you want to be known says, well, he's got a good looking mom, doesn't he? They found the VIN number and the VIN number was is to a car from last year 2024s weren't available. money out corruptly from a variety of sources over the years, right?

1:20:32 With the right disguise, you could walk the streets of Ukraine. I'm sure you saw that one thing where Candice Owen was going back and forth to the New York Times say, oh, there's no way that the three top leaders of Hamas are worth $11 billion collectively. The problem is that you're not going to win the narrative. from the negotiating table. Look at us.

1:23:31 And again, everybody's got their own opinion, minus Hamas doesn't give a shit about dead It is fucked up, right? I'm not saying it's not, it's awful. We don't accept it. And what are they worried about? No. But I'd argue that that's part of the problem that the government, the US government has Putting down a Jewish uprising in Judea, which is essentially Jerusalem area, right?

1:26:52 They got to rebuild it, right? So the US has been pushing very hard to have the Palestinian authority run by Mahmoud Abbas, 70s. Yasser Arafat, remember him. Looked a lot like Ringo Starr and they were never photographed Yeah, looked similar. I would be able to tell if they were in a room together Ringo's nose is clear. Look, look. You know not in the drumming world. They all know he's great, but in the music world

1:29:46 He was the sheriff They don't make TV like that anymore Yeah. CGI remove flag. flag yeah Google remove flag Not on the show, not on the old video. There's a lot of shows you couldn't... Remember Starsky and Hutch? and Hamas is, Hamas came out of the first Intifada in like 80 whatever, 87. But they took They have all these sayings in their charter about this.

1:33:16 So, they govern. They continue to be in charge. Mahmoud Abbas is less popular now than he was even before the 7 October attacks. They were like, done. They kind of leveled it? They kind of leveled it, yeah. I mean, look, and Is it like what they tried to do with the Armenians all those years ago or the German So again, it depends on how you... They want the destruction of Israel. Israel at some point, right? Because that's the stated purpose of the Iranian regime.

1:37:32 You could also argue that Hamas knows exactly what they were going to go through when they And part of it is tied to the desire to scuttle the Abraham Accords and the potential normalization of relations So, that was part of it. some long-term ability to have peace, which is part of the problem. They don't So look, they formed the PLO. Whether it's Qatar or the Saudis or the Egyptians or whatever

1:40:55 Palestinian people are terrible. of some peace right now, let's just call it quits. expanding power with their courts. It is possible to- You can't get down to zero sum here. They're guests. and charitable organizations just like Hezbollah does. And whether the Qatari government would do that or not, because they're playing all sides. I'm just trying to paint the picture that it's more complicated than somebody sitting

1:45:04 because maybe a two state solution is the best idea this thing is just never going to work because maybe Yeah, and I think that's but you the same thing happens with every major issue, right because from one side or the other, right? Is it credible? It's very valuable too. It's because you have conversations. a lot easier than thinking. I don't know where it's going to... I mean, again, I think the US is in an interesting

1:48:38 Canada. I think they're coming across the border at night when we don't see them. I think they're in a cult. Yeah They moved off of Pete Buttigieg and some others but now Newsom is still there. with Biden again which is just absolutely wild. He put that idea in my head. fucking crazy that these people are gaslighting us but they can't they can't How do you get to that point?

1:51:06 So we've got to clear the ticket entirely, right? Well, she'll be president. Yeah, in the moment. And then I think there's probably a dose stuff, whatever it is, and I bet it feels great. Yeah, yeah, in the moment. only because Trump is what, 78. enough confidence that that's gonna happen, so we end up with President Yeah, please. They released it in March.

1:54:15 now happening, despite the fact of what they did. do you support President Trump? of ways. or Republicans or whatever, if there's a fraud opportunity, there will be an element that Right, exactly. So I would like to see us just go back to the normal way of voting. And you do this all the time in the business environment or whatever. I'm sorry, you're not smart enough to get yourself an ID.

1:57:48 So yeah, exactly. Is that something that can be voted on? That's the question. Well, and they and usually the answer is somewhere in that range, in the middle. You're serving overseas or whatever. But there was a protocol for it and it was very straightforward and very clear. but lose his court case? Well, he did it in the same way that Arnold Schwarzenegger did it.

2:00:45 And a variety of other entities had looked at that case and said, we're not going to So I don't know. No. But that in and of itself, so they got to tie it into how the funds were expended. Is it a case where, yeah, there's probably more cases waiting? And the idea being, let's just keep this thing rolling. Right. get in power, now he has this ability. You have to understand there's a precedent that's

2:04:39 sure he's old but that's his superpower. His work ethic looks fantastic. Man has he had a good couple of weeks. You don't want to lose the youth vote, you don't want to lose the Arab American vote It's interesting. sharp as a dagger. was the case if now Trump gets to go after him this is now we're dealing with We have to first world. That's scary. Recalibrate. Maybe there are no first

2:08:24 overseas. Well, not only that, if you look at, every generation has said that about their kids. Well, not only that, if you look at every generation has said that about their kids and it's what percentage of the kids are out there, Well, if you look at the arrest statistics so far, say it's not a completely accurate And again, I would argue that from the outside activist perspective, again, whether it's

2:10:40 That is a way to strengthen or reaffirm your belief in where we are as a country, right? There's a lot of them. solutions is by having problems. And that's one of the ways we find solutions is by having problems and that's one of the kind of keep up with it because the the whole power dynamic the whole bell curve I don't. It is a real thing that some of my liberal friends that I know what you're doing you fucks you're waving a flag

2:13:19 for the environment, and then also, That little card thing. You're tapping the door handle? He taps it, car opens. So I sat down in the car. They're bizarre. Right. need for everything, submarines, F-35s, whatever. in 27 in a big way, which says no magnets from China where the materials or the processing I mean, we do. So it's like the mining industry in the states is moribund.

2:17:31 So if they're going to catch on, like, where do they get these? Is there a place where asset in the world. Whoa. If it were oil, it would be Saudi Arabia. Let's start digging, bitches. And they're not playing the same game in terms of regulations and what countries are using these, but there's a lot of them that are being run by foreign countries. by.

2:19:47 That scares the shit out of people. Looks like it's a grass root thing. and state regulations and regulatory policies towards things like mining, right? it just in case. Well, this makes that look like a motorbike, like a motocross bike. that they've developed to have this insane suspension, it's crazy. And they've got they've got their version of a Rolls-Royce. That's like a million dollars, and you can't even get it

2:22:58 this thing while this is there that chinese version of a rolls-royce and It's fantastic. I hope they're making shit like this. And it's fantastic because it is, you can manufacture thousands of them, right? No. I'd like to say that I'm a gradient salinity aficionado, but I'm not. But this is interesting It doesn't need to travel underwater to get to where it's going.

2:25:39 Now, you put two guys in there. Yes, yeah. And in the sensor tests, yeah. Starling yeah,net, bro. It would get it perfect. China can make electric cars that advanced, and right? And I suspect some of the UAP sightings are definitely probably Chinese. You've got to know if a hostile state has created something that we are not aware of, We had this lady that went missing. You know that story? Yeah, yeah, anti-gravity or something. Yeah, well that was the thing. We had this lady that went missing.

2:29:56 I don't know how long that could be kept secret for. We're always working to understand what they got. on UAPs, right? The physical movement of it. Eventually you have an explainable technology that could create something like that. So if we had something like that in 2004, who, where, what, how, how much money, where'd Bigfoot stories. And I agree, I've talked to a couple of pilots that were out in Iraq and they said we were

2:33:11 Skinwalker Ranch and... can keep secrets for a long period of time, right? sense still. Some conspiracies are real. Exactly yeah some of Some of them are real. Oh yeah, yeah. You're looking at me like, you know. You wouldn't be able to. and you actually know what you're talking about. Do you mind if I do now on the heels of that, do you mind if I do a little shameless marketing?

2:35:33 extended weekend version on our YouTube channel. News, commentary, we're going to have some very interesting people. it's just a little bit of context and then you get on your way. Bob's your uncle. penetrate to just like, oh so who's funding that? And then Iran is doing That was the reason why I said, okay, I agreed to do it was because they said, look, we want

2:37:36 Just tell them what's happening. Right. So just, and it's like that old thing. or they change position in terms of relative objectivity. So anyway, it goes back to our original story. Yeah. There's ones that are just like a bunch of letters and a bunch of numbers. So that's interesting. You mean old Jack, what's his name, the guy that ran Twitter. Okay

2:41:17 is crazy. In this cyber era, it's a way to influence people's opinions. What is your, what would be your best advice for interviewing people? like I do it all the time. I really, I don't like, yeah, I interrupted too quick. Like Get the most out of you the problem with a lot of people when they host things is generally like you want to talk and so No, I know what you mean about the... because you go on a news show and the question is

2:43:41 Because if this is how most people consume complex information, it's too limited. TikTok's the way to get it. would never let their youth get on American TikTok. Don't get on TikTok. Those kids are cracked out. market, right? And so they have no grounds to stand on when they talk about a national security getting like 80% of your information that's very specific to one ideology, that's not good for

2:46:33 Of course they understand, and that's really the danger. it's more of the disinformation campaign and the potential for that that is the problem How much of an effect does that have on young people? I don't see them banning it from app stores. especially based on what they saw on the Twitter files. Don't do that. can be in charge forever. to be curious and to actually make the fucking effort to understand what it is that you or whether it's for the sake of your kids, to be curious and

2:50:30 way around it. Look at you! I think they get swept up in tribalism and that's a real problem with someone that says polarizing is Trump, right? We have to fight to avoid it. It becomes the number one team. that AI does not alone run nuclear weapons systems, right? human out, but the Russians and Chinese have not. problem I was about to say there's a statement of the obvious I've gone three

2:53:53 It was a great movie. Goose, God. Anything else? I just...