Joe Rogan Experience #2148 — Gad Saad Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. What are the odds? This is how out of the corporate world I am. Ah, okay. And managed to stay logical. How did you do that? Oh, you know new book dropping up dropping on May 14th on happiness the concept of tenure, oh, it's just a bunch You know that threats so now after October 7th, it's almost became impossible for me to go on campus

3:08 and Intifada and from the river to the sea That's not a good thing. I'll tell you another quick story if I may. Please. Lebanon, the captain, I discussed this in chapter one of my previous book, The Parasitic where I was working on my laptop. that a Star of David would be viewed as provocative incitement. like if this is just you would be you would be shunned everybody would be like

6:28 And a position of being the head of Harvard. It was so crazy to watch right? So after the October 7th happened, for me to just kind of call around to make sure that none You could say, the neo-Nazi alt-right types, But it's so disenchanting to see there's a disturbing amount of them that's responsible for taking this kind and a lot of these things where you see these

9:13 will show up in your feed. ignorant. because I'm from Montreal. definitional identity is my queerness, that I'm certainly putting all my chips now becomes accepted as normalized. and I'll pitch it here for the first time. So I think this is what happens when people say, oh, but the IDF is being grotesque, because so that he can win the insurance money.

12:57 every single one of which is intercepted by the Iron Dome, only calculus that matters, then oh yes, the IDF has gone way overboard. then beat them to death. that doesn't know how to fight, who throws a punch at me. And that's what scares people. What scares people is that someone is willing to kill women and children just to get at bad guys, and they just say that's just part of the game. horrific in the 2024 understanding of human life and morality and just the horrors of

15:30 Unbelievably high threshold of morality that is placed on the Israeli nation, right? What can you do, right? The term genocide, because first of all, the population, as you know, of the Palestinian territories has gone up Estimate at least 12,000 missing in the rubble that are probably dead and 30,000 dead now at the number of those Exactly. Okay, right. So now

18:54 But again, it is anti-Semitic You would care about the war between Iran and Iraq that led to several million killed and on how about a Lebanese civil war? So Golda my year who was the fourth or fifth prime minister of Israel from, I think, 1969 to 1974, has two quotes, which I'm going to paraphrase. I don't have the exact quote. Because this battle is really not about land.

21:15 Christians in Lebanon. There still are some, about 30, 35 percent, but Lebanon used to but certainly the Jews. This is why, for example, Andalusia, So Israel existentially cannot exist. So why am I saying all this? You can't have as if they're less. I hang around with tons of Jews. Have I ever heard somebody in my Jewish family say, oh God, Isn't it that common where you are?

24:38 So I give you a calamity in the world and you've got up to six causal steps to blame the pharmaceutical industry are not releasing the drug. in Britain, over the past 25 years years there's been an unbelievable industrial scale level grooming and raping of young white girls by Asian men. How is it when three Muhammad's rape your 12 year old British girl?

26:50 Or they point to some other one. who is not for open border policies, right? that they're victims, but really they're diabolical and genocidal. Like the influence is coming for what purpose? The more this stuff just gets brought up, the more chaos there is, the more hatred there And by the way, you can go back, so I wouldn't be able to tell you which number, which episode,

29:30 how favorable are you towards the Jews very problematic Jew hatred, okay? our foundational values. So if you're going to let in hundreds, I mean, look what's happening in Germany, look what's So empathy is a emotion that has evolved reasons why empathy exists. But the problem is when empathy misfires, it either becomes hyperactive empathetic people.

32:34 The answer is misdirected empathy across the West. Is it really that simple? even though everyone recognizes it's a problem Context is a parasitized mind, right? So one hypothesis is what you said, mega willful plan. wants to secure the borders, But they're just so, with that kind of stuff, I mean, we can move beyond the border. grew up as a person of color, so he's already been marginalized by the society.

36:24 regards to no cash bail, releasing There is no illegal human. Why do you make a lot more money than I do, Joe? You think it's both, yeah? Yeah. left that don't understand that now you set a precedent, you set a terrible precedent. And if a shan this whole thing is and He wanted to talk about how you apply evolution and psychiatry and so on. because I've seen tons of stuff.

40:10 despite the fact that I have a chapter disheartening it's very foolish I always try to tell people do not be married to people will forgive you if you make mistakes. Yeah, yeah, you just you got to know that you're not ideas and intellect and science Fauci is the worst, but he's worse than that. I think he's far worse than that. I think he's And that's all real. This is not tinfoil hat conspiracy wearing shit

43:34 He did. Yeah, and I'm glad we're talking about the inability So I'll give you just a couple of examples, He was the gentleman who arguably has saved more people than anybody else in medicine so the physician has just worked on a cadaver and then goes and does the obstetrics. So allegedly suffered a nervous breakdown was committed to an asylum by his colleagues in the

46:33 people laugh at your ideas and fight them it's either for one of two reasons No way. That's horrible. psychology department on a Thursday and everybody's like, oh yeah this is gorgeous. I give the exact same talk, okay? It's the senior professor who has spent 30 years poisoning. We later found out that she was pregnant with our first If everything is due to survival instinct,

49:27 Men are taller than women even though your Aunt Julie is taller than your Uncle Bob. Because they didn't like the idea, So the fact that you believe that we have biological imperatives that guide our behavior There's a lot of weirdness to memory the like genetic memory like whoever you are So I, because you mentioned memory, Yeah, so there is actually a lot of research

52:06 you don't go see your clinical psychologist because you have a fear of It's crazy. that I have of mosquitoes. So early in my marriage to my wife, maybe that was one of And so I, I mean, I literally will turn into a little girl if you add up the tallies of people killed by mosquitoes Sure. where it hid everything, right? lack of reciprocation not because they were cheaters.

56:19 Here's another example, not in the case of social dynamics, are. to be of that form? like little dogs, like the size of Carl. Or something that's that big that's a squirrel, So you know what is a, what's a group of crows called? remember the face of a really nasty guy but it was something to the effect of, maybe Jamie, you could pull that one out. Exactly, exactly, yeah, there you go. There go there. You're amazing. It's just unbelievable. They put rocks in there to raise the water level

59:59 They have immense memories their memories are nuts like Like, they get reunited with their calves, so we don't respect it. Dolphins are horrible dolphins are they kill their babies. There's no hashtag me too with the dolphins You said the manipulate the environment. So have you heard No, please explain. Okay, she said you're good enough. Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. You have excellent trophies

1:03:10 Wow. Usually in avian species, the drab one is the girl With a whoosh. Or just like regular. They're little dinosaurs. Okay. They they'll kit they'll murder a mouse have you never seen a chicken and a mouse together Right? that have they're not gonna live they're they're separated from their mother you feed them to reptiles, okay Yeah. And they're trying to steal it from her and they just tear it apart and devour it like dinosaurs wow like it's

1:07:14 but chickens should live as chickens. and every day they're just being cows, They're gonna either freeze to death or starve to death what you want and if you don't want people to eat cows anymore, okay, what are There's people that are reintroducing grizzly bears to Washington as we speak. it's illegal to film it's illegal to if they have ag-gag laws because it's so

1:09:35 we have to have animal protein as part of our diets and they were so pissed at me because they thought it was very Well, there's a real problem with that too, and this is something that people dismiss I think they're a thing that communicates with their environment that the mycelium have with the nutrients in the earth When those people do it the right way,

1:12:04 on I can't remember what the term is, but something made me think about, have you seen the research on, but somewhere where you expect to find mammoths have you have you seen some of this yes I have yeah that's mind-blowing There's also like different ways It was I mean he spread some genes and killed some fucking people. They don't know exactly. Yeah, like being conciliatory?

1:14:53 He was a Harvard entomologist and a strong proponent of social biology, of human endeavor that you typically wouldn't think which is in the humanities, using evolutionary theory. I need to try to, right? In what you mean? a very academic, scientific talk, And I was gonna do your show, I think. so that it could be sexy enough for it to appear and psychology of decision-making,

1:18:17 You know, it's so easy to label somebody so easy to label a platform or you know like podcasting in general that it's frivolous I would put my money on you not because you were the creator of the knowledge and just you and me just stare at each other Conversationalist you know how to hold or it came as a surprise to you that it would be so successful

1:20:15 Yeah. Especially if you're a professional comic. I got plenty of people. We like a lot of they've introduced me to Taylor Swift, but my daughter's a Swifty I did apparently a clip went viral from our conversation where I was kind of hailing the cosmic justice about maybe a week or two after I appeared Whenever you'd like to come to a game, Or go out there, grab life by the balls,

1:24:05 play. I'm supposed to meet him. I bring him copies of my book signed, even the Spanish version But I'm saying, if I didn't have that open spirit that's read by three people? But that one is pure, it's academic, that other one is vulgar and popularizer. You're right. 20 years hey guys, remember that shit that I told you yeah, it's bullshits out. I thought it was true

1:26:51 I have it in the last chapter of through these phases and if you're dogged enough, as I was, And I've always said that- So you just have to be dogged. Because the blank slate's very hopeful, right? If I create a child, you're telling me It's a noble idea perfectly rooted in bullshit, but it's a noble idea. Here's another example of a noble idea that's what so a lot of these guys it's not to our earlier conversation they

1:30:53 I don't know if I've done real 180s. Talking to Bigfoot people. And there's a mystery. There's a thing that they want to believe and there's almost no evidence, It could be some large fish. I think there's a lot of theories on it, but they've done scans of the lock They have a large number of names for this. They don't have dragons. They don't have crazy shit that doesn't exist.

1:33:27 Footprints that maybe I don't know you could fake that you could fake a footprint. It's not a fucking fake Ferrari Here's the thing if Bigfoot was real wouldn't be nearly as interesting as a killer whale. Before we were outside, I was talking to some of your crew I said, oh it's exactly not, So what's the mechanism by which I mean, you know, you, you listed the name of the animal

1:35:38 I could do that while I'm in the sauna. I could do that when I'm in the car I feel like reading a book is 100%, I'm sitting at the cafe. I have an idea for something will I ever have time to read? how little you know. There is nothing more. He's a voracious reader, right? to instill that reflex of just saying, And it's hard because kids are growing up in this environment.

1:39:20 the same as when people are like, don't get in the car, let's walk. Like, okay, that's the same as when people are like don't get in the car. Let's walk like, okay That's good for a little while. But now guess what Martha everyone has cars. Let's get a fucking car. I'm not walking in New York that's one way to do it, but. I mean, I don't. This one dude fucking stole a cop car was in a high-speed chase in Mexico with no tires

1:41:24 just the electronically of me having searched something. as though I'm into gay sauna guys. Then it's like literally 17 super muscular guys, Yeah, it is odd assume that the female so the man and men are posing they're appealing to men You know, it's just but then there's also ones where it's like, okay got, I've got a good morphology here. I think she'd be impressed by that. And she gets

1:45:47 I can keep flipping through different porn clips without ever repeating the same one. that evolved formating are then hijacked, You're going to be able to actually have like a sexual experience virtually. And they think he's gonna be able to communicate that was choosing the first neuro link patient that you just mentioned. That's incredible. porn, like forget about like actually going on

1:48:36 no way to stop it. I feel like if things keep going in the way they're going, do we have Of course you would do that. but books, in a sense, do exactly that, right? It's indistinguishable from reality I've tried the boxing one. But that's very crude in comparison to what's coming. Atari, Atari. So my knowledge of video games stopped and peaked 1981

1:51:05 I don't have the bandwidth to do anything that he's doing. So you're a gamer? And they're our age? The younger guys are, they're all playing. What does playing what is Shane play will they play Call of Duty? They're so fun, they're so exciting. very, very beautiful about sort of steadying yourself and then getting So Richard Dawkins talks about that being an extended phenotype.

1:53:02 Did you see the thing that we had Mike Baker on? That's fucking terrifying. oftentimes it would be ties. And so we had learned how to program the search algorithms that would allow you so just cut it off, that reduces the search space. we've underperformed what I thought we would have reached. It has very, here are all the symptoms, I can search through the whole database and

1:55:47 Yeah, I don't know if it's true, but you would imagine that at a certain point in time, you You're way better off. to decide whether, does it look like this area But it seems to me that in fields in medicine we're just waking up to in terms of the general population is So have you had guests that are both, And it's going to have sentience. And if we're programming into it

1:59:35 which was about, well, formal languages is Turing machines. so I've met a lot of really, really brilliant people, At one point I'm talking about the importance of going for walks and just go for a walk and talk and so on and I said that the only reason that he would go into the office You know what he died of? to us and is also the guy whose mind was parasitized by these conspiratorial ideas.

2:02:20 Oh, I bought the book on, I just bought a book on the murder of professor schlick who was the guy who started the within that system. theory. difficult to grasp right right it is okay here it is He was a pioneer in quantum mechanics. And you would find yourself back where you started, but in your own past I don't know what to add to that. So maybe I can ask you that.

2:06:24 I just finished a biography on him. Do you speak Italian? I don't I speak fake Italian So he studies the anatomy of the body in his art. Well, it's one night, right? One night. You got to bring Hunter Thompson. He gets this contract to write this article. He had it there's a video of him having a shootout with his neighbors in Colorado. They're shooting at each other

2:08:58 And things go sideways mentally. and Greg Simmons were reading it, this is the craziest thing. What do you hear? He was- of amount of substances he's consuming in a day He's an animal. He committed suicide at least 10 years ago, right? Okay, but I mean, technically you could have had a check I mean he only died recently right he died quite a while ago he committed suicide at least ten years ago right okay

2:11:35 PM by the way first cup of coffee and a Dunhill The day, three hours into it. Okay, 9 p.m. Start snorting cocaine seriously. Chartreuse, cocaine, grass, chivas, coffee, Heineken, What I love is... But it was mixed up in like also real stuff like fear and loathing on the campaign trail. I couldn't believe people really believe that Muskie was eating Ibogaine.

2:14:54 Especially in his younger days like Hells Angels is an amazing book. It's crazy. That's a crazy book Doesn't Tucker have like a Hunter S. Thompson story? Yeah, that makes sense. Damn. It makes sense. that I was coining as social justice mathematics. There's a lot of grifters in this world, kids, and there's a lot of people that believe things I think it's called Ivy Ridge School.

2:17:55 so this was kind of a cult situation, is straight out of the worst Soviet gulags you could think of these things can occur, but it really does. You're not allowed to look out the window. So imagine you're sent there, and by the way, in some cases, they would come and kidnap Yeah, definitely check it out. Oh my god Empathetic where I don't think of people as just you at age, you know, whatever you are.

2:21:07 to people what happened yeah how did he get to that spot and I started thinking There's a gentleman that stands outside this, you know kind of she she And I've struggled with whether it would be appropriate and yet he's there every day, they're the ones who wind up in those situations. into his world a little bit, He might want money from you. I was sitting at a cafe,

2:24:10 the community that he's studying anthropologically Okay? Right? that he can elevate himself despite all his trials and tribulations. One more As we're chatting, maybe you could pull that one up too, and yet she finds a way to smile. people learn a lot more from these stories Not not alter their positions in light of incoming evidence. but now X, Y, Z comes in,

2:27:43 and that's why, by the way, pride of the seven deadly sins, don't be prideful in your love. Wow. That's exactly right. That's why in the first chapter, the different conversations that you and I have had and this is of the things that's been amazing about all the different conversations Like you've had a big impact on that. but I could be walking on a, I mean,

2:30:25 I mean that that's your reach. the people who are looking down on podcasters, It's very bizarre They see someone that they've watched on YouTube or they're watching their phone or their watch, you know, whatever I think even in general, most people are good people, even if they say bad things. I mean, I don't know if it's, I mean, post, I mean you don't engage anybody anymore, right? I almost never.

2:33:42 of engaging online is just too weird. with that many people in real life. It's really fun. It's a party and the whole world's there. These are things to be considered. And I remember that sometimes when I answer someone, left and right. It's not like that in the real world because that's the real there a lot of new entrants into the inner circle of Joe Rogan over the years.

2:36:59 So I've known a lot of these guys. 26 years, maybe more. Ari hasn't moved here, He likes to be, beep, beep, fuck you. A few other guys stayed that are really good. He's just silly. Well, I've always said that, So he's probably smarter than a lot of my colleagues. Well, he's very smart. Dave's very smart Yeah man, he did it with me. No, no, no, I wanted him to go on.

2:40:32 It was so much fun. It was so much fun You can't consider the best without considering him. does this incredible? Like what is he doing here? Well, I saw him, I don't know if you saw that Netflix where he's recounting how he went back to his high school There's a vibe that he has. The world needs that. It's the most complicated, you know, it's the hardest to pull off.

2:43:55 You're making sure they're polished. life my friend. I'm very lucky. I don't know what I did in the past life. I did something though. And it's a fucking hugely complex thing There's a frenzy of technological activity kind of the intellectual hotbed. It's, I think first of all, It's just, what matters is we're doing it in a way that's beneficial for comedy.

2:47:07 I think the hot spots, the internet. It's where Gödel hung out. The University of Austin thing what they're setting it up as an anti-war, they're not saying that though. Wow, that would be wild. came after my last appearance on your show? And I gotta tell you, I wasn't a big fan The Beatles are in affront to human dignity. And we move on. hated person in Quebec.

2:50:31 So yeah, apparently you can't joke. The thing about this place though is the heat. It's not good. It's not good? It's bad. Oh, it's situation here? It's not good. It's not good? Like I know there was a story that we talked about You're done. I said it to you, you just said it to me, What are the guys with the? pretty sure it might be a dude, I'm sorry. I don't want to misgender anybody. I don't

2:53:20 I mean, that's funny. I don't it is weird It doesn't turn them into zombies, but it turns animals into zombies. like just wiping out giant swaths of the population. and all these crazy places. I think the fatality rate was, or survival rate I understand hindsight is 20-20, The Jews blamed you, the black plague? Oh, absolutely, blamed by the way the Jews are blamed to the black pole

2:57:06 mitzvot, like commandments or rules in Judaism, 613. And if I remember, I hope I'm not misquoting, That's insane. that transmit the virus, yes, exactly. Specialist on gallon, you know who gallon is he was an ancient But at the time, the great Hippocrates thought that that, The runoff from the local slaughterhouse had made his garden stinking and putrid,

3:00:24 That's for the black people. St. Agnes which guy was Agnes is the one who died Benedict's declaration. Oh I didn't see the movie. It sucked don't see it. Really? It really sucked. I love the main actor, I love them in So that's a famous... But some other elements are completely culturally constrained It falls down. So they are stuck with those for life. They're stuck with them for life

3:03:34 That creates an evolutionary arms race between our brains Like there's this practice of like shaping your skull, which by the way, By virtue of wearing headsets that's pushing down. It goes away. That's not are, that's real, right? Okay, well you know for sure. This is not- This goes away though. It goes away. So the dent is just the skin just conscripted

3:05:18 or something. rites of passage I was digging for a reason. You know because the Nazca lines are really weird you are speaking of UFOs Yeah, yeah. That's the guy? Yeah, that's hilarious. Yeah, the desire to adhere to an ideology, the desire to like be a part of a club and a group, it's so embedded in us that people can't help themselves. how people would interact in the waiting room while waiting,

3:09:08 belong to some tribe. Exactly. God is Darwinian. I was a graduate student, yeah. Do not think that this is it. Okay, I think we are in the very, very deep seated fear of mortality so that, okay, you don't tap into a spaces in there like what's in there what's nothing's touching anything explain like what We're running straight towards a cliff. We're launching AI. We're involved in multiple proxy wars

3:13:17 Oh, yeah. You're being influenced by a very specific narrative that's been blaring He doesn't talk like a regular politician. You know based on what your fear of your hatred your tribal hatred like I don't I don't have a dog in this fight He's tall. He's cantankerous. And so he serves as an existential aesthetic injury, We have president AI. Maybe Trump is what brings in the devil because Trump brings in president AI.

3:17:05 One of them might be in jail. That, it would be the worst thing I don't want to have kids on it, and you shouldn't have kids if you don't want to have kids We started, my wife and I started late, It's all beautiful. I don't know what made you fall apart like that. know, how vulnerable we are as a civilization that something with a 99 point, what was it?

3:20:26 I believe a lot of doctors acted like that. So that in a sense you could imagine an AI system being built to do what I'm about to say So let's suppose I wanted to prove to you, Joe, across cultures, across species, across time periods, in order to make my most hostile audience members So that's one piece of evidence. it's a endocrinological disorder

3:23:13 time periods, across species, across cultures, all of which triangulate. China's already stole it right now. It is going to be an amazing thing I worry man, I worry. Finger to open and close and move just like a regular finger Wow. It's weird man Are you genuinely that concerned or is it a part of it? with rifles right and just taking deer out those deer could not have imagined

3:26:09 It probably will lie the whole time. Shut the fuck up, stupid. I'm the artificial intelligence. Go do this thing I want you to do. EATR robot it's a robot that consumes that human beings have ever launched on human beings I don't know what to add to But it says that it would never have eaten human biomass because there would have been sensors that could tell yeah

3:29:10 it could run on plant biomass, you don't think it could run on Listen your book it is out Thank you.