Joe Rogan Experience #216 — Chael Sonnen Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Yeah. Chael Sonnen, ladies and gentlemen. Chael P. You don't even have to send it back. I wouldn't do that. I mean, if it tell you from personal experience, I wouldn't do that. you would want people It's a fascinating little, Do you think this is also because of wrestling? But it worked for me. Those small nutrients made a big difference. So when I realized,

2:13 USANA. I get it too, but we're back. You can't buy it. A doctor's office has to call up for you. But I just think that having to go to a doctor to get some vitamin D, I begged my dad to take me there when I was 12 years old, They used to have to go into that little glass cabinet with the key to open it up. it did to your liver but oh my god you'd feel like a fucking raging animal like i didn't get

5:29 something that the government We've got a place like that in Oregon, and the guy sells Kratom, and he makes $150,000 a year. are they going to be able to like when when balco came out with that clear stuff that the clear you You've got your band list. then 10 years later you find out and it gets added to the band list it gets really creepy when you

8:07 You almost have to be on something to compete. you got you gotta take your medicine yeah by jose canseco's uh that whole book and publishing and he was telling the truth yeah that, that's the other thing. Well, when we start seeing guys like Mark McGuire shrink down old. But don't mix the argument. And by all means, we should advance knowledge and technology in that area.

10:46 and isn't that essentially the same thing? through this in California and they're acting as though they're just made it legal. That's not true. That's what you've got to do. and you told me I could be on testosterone. And, you know, in the state of California, just make it clear so that we know what the rules are. But, you know, it's not an easy job trying to figure out what's fair,

13:11 to hurt somebody i mean i mean even if he is enhanced it's he's not going to hurt somebody that's a very rare trait you possess that but not a lot of people do everybody's got their secrets for you isn't it like good for him like shouldn't you be looking at it that way so there's such a weird If I could give you a pill that lets you fucking fly through the air and become bulletproof, you wouldn't take it?

15:10 That was it. to medicine that's a tremendous compliment to technology and what we're discovering here in And, you know, you've got to still be within your limits. It stays in your system about four hours. water. They want to see you open it. The reason, they're just trying to protect you. If you go in there with a coffee you cannot have anything other than a closed bottle of water. They want to see you open it.

17:04 because often And you know what? do it. There's guys that are born If you really want to look at it, like, what's fair? John Jones. guy that was just gifted with it. And you see it all the time. So I get your point. He figured out how to put up a pace that other guys just couldn't deal with. it meant you know some of the bad decisions that Tyson made around town.

20:15 Oh, I've got to tell you one story. out he's got a microphone he tells stories of his life and they've got a production so if he says because I do this a lot, except today she doesn't come to the door so he says I'm walking around the house I'm looking in the It's before he ever made it into the movies. And Tyson walked away. Some of them are out there where he's in the chicken suit somewhere in L.A. trying to make it.

22:22 Isn't it crazy that someone can get married to someone, It's just the guy does. Do you really think you're getting a soup with Joel McHale. Yeah. Who the fuck would have figured out that she would be able to do what she's doing right now? Look what she did. I've heard that. Right this second? I should have phrased it better. I mean, I see Reggie Bush rolling around that car.

25:50 Well, you are so good at promoting online and promoting in interviews. you know i got asked to do the ultimate fighter our reality show in our in our industry and i For example, I have a dog. That's cute. He's a mix. I guarantee you. It would be fun to watch. You know, he would say these crazy things and then he would do it and then he won the whole show.

28:23 i'm in this to win this for myself or just don't even put them in teams. They like to pick team windows. You say soccer, but I hear that ice cream sandwich is the shit. That motherfucker drinks water. Super smart dude when it comes to nutrition. gras uh and i that's for the only for a couple more weeks in california i know but this place It was okay.

30:49 That's amazing. You're gonna kill the duck that would you really care if someone overstuffs this duck before you kill it? It's really quick, man. They pump grain down their throat, and then they let them go. don't really like them. I'm not like a fan Veal's a tough thing. I really I'm very impressed by that. I didn't know you had And I thought, well, what's Joe doing there?

33:34 7 out of 10 of them are always going to need to borrow sugar. Right, because the human's the only thing and then we're throwing all our trash in there so there's this gigantic like island of You didn't build your stupid house somewhere where it fucking freezes in the winter. freako talk all the time it's like you know be real careful because you're anti-human if you

35:21 but are really kind of aggressive about it and the way they fuck with you. All right? other way around. And you hear these eco-freakos. Of course, they only come out when CNN or some If there's anything we learned from Gandhi or Martin Luther King, And people quit listening to your argument. you do that list i'm out they listen to your argument and you have

37:32 You'd be an asshole no matter what side of the argument you were on. Go down to that place where a thousand cows a day You gotta eat some of them. They don't understand how important it is for traffic safety. Sure. I saw a lot of fucking deer. There's a fucking wild video, He's like, dude, you could have died. I'm glad the guy didn't die. At 80 fucking miles an hour.

40:03 I don't know. And it's another helmet cam. because something like this can happen, and this just saved my life. 80 fucking miles an hour he hits a deer this is a bad motherfucker station will people i mean did Are you a rider? Yeah. When Frank got hit by a car and broke his femur. I thought it was overseas, like the Bahamas. Him and his wife were on vacation.

43:09 and it took a long time for him to come back. the, the one that beat Pete Williams with that crazy arm bar from the guard. I enjoy Frank a lot. Sometimes he does an interview and people are turned off by him. He's a very smart dude. Frank Mir, not only did he, Oh, he's got his positions for sure. Somebody told me Noguera's booked for a card coming up.

45:13 I don't know what they did. throw heat you know and i was really looking forward to him against alistair alistair and And he's so so many other tools other than just boxing. Right. You know, that whole case was interesting. And yeah, you know, let's jump off that topic as I'm really glad you asked this. Now, if your testosterone went up or if it went down, that gap is your ratio.

47:39 Really? There's no distinction? make sure you're within the levels like no wait a minute that's not how it works there's a I said an endocrinologist, not one expert to tell you differently. But listen, a guy has every right to manipulate his testosterone. test didn't show that he was never even accused of that and you know from mark cuban's tax write

49:55 And he's got his own thing, you know, Boss, with Golden Glory. And if I see you're doing something and then you get caught doing that, it's because I have to say conversation, Joe, in a bar, you and I, line and I've educated other people to just simply with that one line, if you don't see it, don't say It's not a disrespectful thing. You had a different opinion.

52:18 watching it live you know quite honestly i honestly get a better view of fights a lot of he instigated that position from the shot. And off topic, but speaking of Belcher, you know, Dana gives a fight of watching it at home. Sometimes you get hyped up in the moment, too. It's hard to... And off-topic, Yeah, it can go really, really bad. Yeah, short.

53:59 Everything he's overcome. I mean, the way he laces them up, it's like it's so pure. I'll go to the ground with him. Yeah. Good for Belcher. to lose your vision because of fighting so they have to repair your eyeball and then you know you How long does it take just to catch up? The answer I give, because it's a lifetime. It's an impossible task to ask somebody.

56:51 Yeah, you've got to pace it. and George will go crazy. Would you have it? and then only have like five seconds left on the clock. better format well it is how i would answer you professional now we both can do seven rounds. got a good chin and you go for it, you're fucked. Eddie Alvarez talks about this. started watching no he's serious he trains to sprint and finish you and he does guy after guy.

1:00:01 It's three rounds. I mean, Ertz knocks down Labanner Now, these aren't real fights he's going to do in these countries, right? That whole thing looks so fugazi. You're not going to do that unless you know this looks this looks awful it's like when Dan Severn and Shannon Dan Severin hit one of those in the fight. dan severance cover-up of the work was worse than the work well i was just fortunate to get over on

1:02:12 You know, this isn't a secret in the industry, Dan. They said, look, you got to go. But in America, if you're going to do a pro wrestling match, both guys will sit in the back, got his locker room visit. It's the same thing with Crow Cop that thought one leg cemetery and You know, but as soon as I said, Yeah, you'd have to put on They offered Eddie a fixed fight.

1:04:17 But meanwhile, it could have been a double cross where he goes there and he thinks Tokoro Is that what it is? We got ourselves a big chunk of cash. I can't fucking make a ball. money. Okay. I mean, I can see where that would happen. fight. I like that. I don't like the option of doing it the other way. Betting on your I don't know if you've ever bet on a UFC fight,

1:06:45 I got 50 grand at 4-1. Well, I bet on Henderson when he fought Vandele. But I'm quite sure it's not over 10,000. He had that reputation like Mike Tyson was hanging on to for a while. Yeah. He can hardly move. We were in Caroline's Comedy Club in New York, I'm telling you, the fucking place erupted. well i think in that situation it was there was 350 fucking people in that crowd that guy was a

1:09:30 Yeah. It was very good work. On the spot like that, the best line youbomb on it. The verbal H-bomb on top of it. That's good work by Dan. It was very good work. to have that line come out of your character's mouth. Yeah, anyway. and then there's wrestlers. from that ridiculous first of all for fucking cutting weight all the time just to be able to We were in high school.

1:11:40 He was just walking around, just always hungry. and grow like a normal man. In wrestling, it's a one-hour weigh-in. weigh in have 24 hours get on the mat he'd win a dual meet tournament style one hour way and you're And that's where Dan Henderson's made a living. You weren't allowed to do certain things like strike on the ground, right? who don't know you were allowed to kick with you know you have these like boots on that had shin

1:14:41 Yeah, he got so good at just punching throwing like punching techniques But there was no question about it. pro wrestling mask he is a pro wrestler he wrestles under the name of uh uh dos caros yes uh alberto He's either an Academy Award winner or he truly doesn't know. blood packet there and when cro cop slaps it blood comes out i mean what a great touch that would be

1:17:21 doesn't catch it in time so now my buddy who's out cold, And that's not to say the sports fugazi. That's just competition. I can't think of what his name was. He got in Canada because they thought he was throwing a fight. The commissioner comes out and suspends him for it. I got caught. And my take on that is for you to ask a man what he's thinking right then in the middle of an incredibly emotional

1:20:06 like you could be considered like almost like a slightly crazy person like your fanaticism for It equates to a lot of different things. Did the guy file a complaint with the commission? but i literally couldn't tell you one guy that's done it and i know some guys think hey listen and that people should not misinterpret. So he can come out and say whatever he wants.

1:22:54 A guy can say whatever he wants. in it, and people start talking about you, it becomes monetarily advantageous to do that. Yes. So that's not to say a fighter or, again, any athlete has to do that. So for a government official because that's how this started that's his choice. So for a government official, because that's how this started, I'm always fascinated when you hear about a guy, well, yeah, he was a blue belt, and then something happened.

1:25:35 I know where you're going with this, and let me jump ahead. that was the fight that really opened up a lot of people's eyes it's like whoa like chael sonnen's For me, I had a fight with Yushin Okami. So at the point of your story, though, I sit down one day and I'm looking at it. I wouldn't got I wouldn't got help. I wouldn't got professional help. And I sought out a doctor, Ed Versteg.

1:28:11 and now it's too late, because I felt like it was my secret. I've been at this longer. I'm losing. I know how to stop submissions. I'm finding my way to lose as opposed to win. I work harder than these guys. I've been at this longer. I've Brittany because my girlfriend just texted You're welcome, pal. because I knew that Yushin was a grappler, But when you fought Anderson, man, whoo, that was a crazy fight, man,

1:30:22 What was that like when it happened? I was devastated. like a doofus, Now, I knew that because ESPN zoomed in on that and showed it, And I know you practice it, so you have been. I hit his foot. I was with the other people where I would always see fighters go, So aside from being choked, don't forget I've got fatigue issues. Come on, I'm a human. year. We won the award from a fighters only magazine, which puts on the award show, uh,

1:33:03 And I just didn't fully know what was going on. You get – it's tough. victory that's also an indescribable feeling when you make that walk in front of 17,000 people you've prepared for this, and it's all on the line and it's on the line in front of everybody. I had to deal with the commission. I had to go back and deal with I was relieved it was over.

1:35:51 You know, I'd go through a tournament. and then six weeks in the future you're off and you lose I like to sneak out like a little kid. Okay. Powerful Chelsan and ladies and gentlemen. Is he making a poopy? I don't know what he's doing. Has no one seen it? It's pretty much maybe this phone. It's amazing. Has no one seen it? You can take pictures and you can draw on them. When you i'm here with stupid you can take pictures and like

1:37:52 the time is not making phone calls. It's I ordered one from Roots because Andrew Dice Clay had it So I'd carry that note around gladly inside my fanny pack. If I can jump in here real fast. We got this whole bar to ourself. Okay, this guy's on his honeymoon. And I'm running out of stories. I call him. I need you to tell one. So they make me sample the meat to make sure it's not rancid.

1:40:37 But how's that for a great story? Wow. whatever you do on the water skiing. settle this so yeah anything just get us to shore you know i gotta get the hospital how my leg looked liebens i could go on and on and on as a matter of fact i bought for a hundred dollars i bought He took the money, and then he still was trying to claim this stuff happened to him.

1:42:59 It's a nine-hour flight. would have been better oh that, that's fucking hilarious. You went to Brazil recently. Good for you You know And it's important That you say that So good for you for saying there's brothers because a lot of people In fact, I was there. story so we get there and we've got our own security detail and it's tight i mean these are

1:45:28 So this is the ultimate carnival ride. you build that hundreds of years ago up on this cliff? There's no roads up to it. You got to walk. I mean, how are we received? Yeah. Is there any threats? I'm just a regular guy, which is just fine. So those are the kind of numbers. I'm having a good time. know i'm constantly looking around i'm only human this is how my mind's working. So by the time we left,

1:48:52 and that's let people in close when you're scared. A lot of people that listen to this podcast aren't even MMA fans. Was that good? And, you know, again, that's an ego boost. He probably weighs about 220. What's the difference in that aspect of it? You got your Mike Dolce's. You've got to honor that. It's amazing how patriotic they are. but in England they also,

1:52:14 Mike Pyle won. are in a society here and if you're a fan you buy a ticket you can cheer boo whoever you want but know there was just a soccer game there was just a soccer game. There was just a soccer game, and 73 people were trampled to death. And the relevance to that is it means the beer started pouring five hours earlier. I think it would have been very, very bad.

1:54:02 I'm going to do my job as soon as Bruce Buffer gets out of my way. championship if I had to. She's got a ruby or a diamond on every finger. I don't know that I'm proud of that. You can't really discount the amount of uh a boost the hometown fighter would get from a crowd You know, I'm not the guy that feeds off negativity, but I do feed off of it. I kind of felt like I almost wanted to hand it back to him.

1:56:27 That's a very interesting point of view. That's what I think. these same dumb fucks will sit there and watch baseball they'll watch a live baseball game one But in a four-and-a-half-hour NFL game, And then these big lards, I've been sitting here doing your show for several hours. My life would be better if I could really get into sports Me and my dad would be talking,

1:59:08 I hear you. I hear you. That happens like, you know, Jim, how many times have you had to sit here and interview a golfer or a tennis player or a NASCAR guy? going well the only thing good is jim rome you know he did he made sure to give jim that prop Let me get myself a chipbook. I'm done. So you know who the guy is. would you want to go down as a criminal on your deathbed? And I'm sitting there and I told

2:01:51 And it was a secret. and so I need to really make this shorter. He makes it through security. that's a sketch deposit. Of course, nobody knows what he actually looks like, but that's the sketch And one of the things that was a problem is where he jumped was a mass forest. I mean, miles upon miles, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of square acres of nothing but forest.

2:03:58 going hey I don't think you know who D.B. Cooper's I think you should I think you should google him Now, my dad grew up with this guy. And he started taking motorcycle classes. guy starts collecting a pretty good assortment of toys from shotguns to four wheelers to motorhomes. And when you get older, about three grand a year. My aunt looks across the table and flat out says, are you D.B. Cooper?

2:06:32 So the FBI had visited this guy, and then he even moved away for a while, Everybody leaves the room and says, hey, Your aunt believes it. Absolutely. It's like you or I have the thought, and he's got it on the screen. It's a pretty goddamn good story. conspiracy theorist i believe they're a sasquatch uh and i believe this We haven't photographed and learned about them.

2:09:23 but the truth is what bodies do you ever find? You know, bears are out there, dressed up in a stupid outfit As a matter of fact, I've done a lot of work in the movie business and stunts and stuff. Patterson, look up the Patterson the video. I would be embarrassed if you break this right That doesn't even look good. That looks good to me. No, again. I do want to be clear before I become the conspiracy theorist. Oh, that's what it is

2:12:07 And it just looks at that thing. And I fell off my horse. And immediately while I had my camera ready, we I do not believe in Bigfoot. Or 20. exact animal you know. Now I want to tie this school of thought that you know I this pitfall as we like to call it in to turn that light off but having that power does not prove that i was given that power by being

2:14:54 Or is that the conspiracy? Absolutely. It just looks dumb. you deal with in the Pacific Northwest. know what the fuck it is, but it's a primate noise. And one of the guys that I think is a real credible guy that has had an encounter is Les Stroud, you know, the survivor He said it couldn't have been a bear. Good luck. To live in the Pacific Northwest, to be a primate, it might be possible.

2:17:35 the evidence how many people do you know that have seen one me at zero zero yeah i'm at zero Why are you shaking your head? But that comes back to alien encounter. I talk about human pitfalls, and it's why we're able to believe such outlandish and crazy things. I didn't have money for the water or canned foods. that were more complete that go far past December 21st, 2012.

2:19:12 You know, thank you for that line. he knows how to read a man. Right up behind the whole thing to make more money. The economy's falling apart right before our eyes. You think they're not going to be able to figure out? No. you get a degree. And, you know, back in the olden day, there was no first grade, second grade, But granted, Barrett, you don't you don't go build a hole in a cave somewhere and wait for the end of the world.

2:22:22 that they're stuck at for many hours a day, and paying teachers much more, trying to make it commensurate for what it's worth, And most kids aren't even getting that today. Most kids are getting a shit fucking experience How many times did you have to deal with kids in high school and in college even there were just a fucking mess all the time It's children.

2:24:59 but this is actually very deep you know the first time i ever came to one of your comedy shows you I can't help but look at that and have to think and rethink my stance. in any sociological book, and you are right on the money. I'm much more of a libertarian then we're failing. sociology you're not talking psychology you're talking sociology right now if you were the i'm completely with you if you were the president how would you

2:27:31 John Bartis helped to get Newt Gingrich elected. And he's as squeaky clean as they come. And he should run. know look there's so many things that need to be done but the first thing that i would do is rampage as a vice president you know what i imagine i would quit lying and and every politician job growth and they need to come clean and just say that so you think state jobs are bad for job

2:29:33 Well, okay, let's look at the Department of Education. They love to do this whole thing about saturated fats. I need calories, and I also happen to need fat. got involved they had a congressional hearing for congress to get involved with sport is beyond They choose to agree on what is in the contract there's to hit the ball with the stick game. Now, that's horrible, and I don't want to see the ocean get a leak,

2:32:22 That was a real fucking disaster. We had members of Congress going on shows What's the military going to do? by Congress. Could you imagine what that would look like? the british guy and just dolphins and whales flying into the fucking sky right have you ever seen the video the photograph of that uh the and see what the impact was. I had a friend that had to do two years in a military prison

2:34:15 as the rumor goes they're quite coveted over that. If there was a video or a footage in that part of the world. Yeah, they slow cooked it underground. Well, it's true. i think the mere word intestine is disgusting and I was pretty upset when I found out I did. Now that I've gotten older, I didn't like it as a kid. with the USSR before Yeah, like you said, like Cuban cigars.

2:36:48 sushi rolls in a type of caviar, real cheap, that yellowy stuff. I got to tell you, I had a really good time. Well, I'm just a stand-up comedian. Yes, and now I could just send her books now. Yeah, that's cool roger ebert's new book is not he shouldn't have done it himself roger ebert he's kidding Yeah. I bet they could change it. No Chael Sonnens.

2:39:27 And say go after that He would probably be happy I was going to say the same thing So you got to have to figure out a way Did I buy it? Maybe we can have him go after it. Enter in the code name Rogan and you will That's O-N-N-I-T. Fox magic. Is it your title?