Joe Rogan Experience #2166 — Enhanced Games Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. I've been studying the Olympics and the Olympic movement my entire life. 44%. you know trying to perform it, let's take a blank slate of paper and but ultimately the billions of dollars in revenue come into the Olympics, and none of Human beings. It's a very European thing. I actually like it. Well, that is one of the Renears.

3:01 It's very catchy songs. Yeah, I was Brian Fogel a couple of days ago. He's great. And that documentary is amazing. And what I mean, what incredible He's a witness protection. But what are the legal ramifications of this? Because there's a lot of things that are, you know, like peptides and things along those lines that are illegal in the Olympics. It's delivered under clinical supervision.

5:59 weeks and he found out that there was DHEA in it. He informed the UFC, told them. And This is not black market. Exactly, and well that's the excuse Oh, really? won six medals, three of them gold. that's the accusation made by Travis Tygart, And the only one that's not in the top five And especially if you're like your national pride is involved and they know that there's

8:57 but the problem with that is like Like, we want to make sure that our athletes are healthy Maybe you didn't even know that you could. Well guess what? You can. ExpressVPN is the best way VPN because it's easy to use. Just tap one button and your online activity is Tap the banner to learn more. The problem with that was that was not thought out at all

12:11 use, generally they've wrecked their endocrine system. 90,000 seat arenas in Tokyo it was nuts and Everybody look at a superhero Just go over there and go ham. What is unfair think about it like you winning silver in the current Olympics? That is the worst, because you are you can contextualize. So both is about either zero or completely free slate

14:42 The Olympics are going to be the natural sports competition and people watch it and it becomes exciting, It's a good answer. You're not going to watch something where the best natural player. No, you want to see the best and we want to also watch the best. Yes, you're not gonna watch something where the best natural player So how do you get...there's a lot of factors, right?

16:54 mean if they do start taking testosterone do start taking a bunch of know we're offering a million dollar prize for to break significant world they're a part of the enhanced games, And I think I can beat all the enhanced athletes I did not win the genetic lottery, and I want the This is exactly what the enhanced games is about. But make history. But then you find out that Carl Lewis was taking stuff too.

20:10 So we made a big casting call and we have more than 1,000 professional athletes, many He's one of our early fans. you want your person to be the fastest person in the world. early, I have my own investment firm, so I'm both the investor and his co-founder, we both Well, it's also everybody knows that athletes is an intelligence test. Usada was doing it in a very intrusive way where they were waking up fighters on the day of a weigh-in

23:27 No, the IOC is a club of European aristocrats Hmm for over a hundred years. Yeah, that makes sense to compete in other organizations. They're doing the exact same things, exact same things are banned, including peptides You know, the difference in terms of with MMA and combat sports is Including ex-UFC athletes, yeah. and people say, you're out of it, you should be retired.

26:33 That is interesting cuz like I don't know how much you guys follow MMA Because he just let he had a mohawk and he just looked insanely jacked and he was knocking everybody out His body was kind of failing him and just he did a lot of steroids when he was younger, allegedly. mean, look at him. And then 2017... Most of the information is what I call bro science on bodybuilding.com forums.

29:20 we have doctors from, you know, previously at FIFA, Not sure about wrestling. It's so much content, so expensive to run, and so in our analysis of sports it's always what can be right we must have these certain sports in our games are going to be every year saying like the other person gets them too. So but it's a discussion right. If someone But I think a lot of discussions are always pseudo discussions where we can have a real

32:17 There's a good argument there as well. What is really what I'm talking about? It's not just like, Yeah, it's really strange that that's looked down upon. that this is aspirational. psychedelics back. That's the same sort of discussion into the medical world. It's always That's the state funded state sponsored programs have existed forever and they've just been

35:01 and stronger for longer. And I think that's a very admirable aspiration. Like, what are you doing, man? is a problem for many people. got commingled in that 80s, 90s doping giving an 80-year-old anabolic steroid And with the current state of the art science too, it's like what is the point of having That's vanity. Do you know what the legal definition of medicine is no I do not so it's a fascinating thing

37:48 Yeah, anyone could just read some books making sick people less sick. Right? And if you walk into your doctor and you say Yeah. because it doesn't make you chitry, whatever. I ask him about his stack. away to discussing that this is a good thing? I don't even understand it. They're like when they hear me talking like, oh my God, Christian is so adventurous.

40:44 Right, they should have the choice. Just like they have the choice to drink alcohol and drugs. So what David did, he defined what actually risk is. So he, for the very first time defined a proper, by the way, never tested, undisputed risk score in the UK, a multi criteria decision analysis, published in The Lancet in 2010 by Professor make people at least aware and then you you can decide, by the way,

43:20 So by the way, but I want to be careful, never drank alcohol in my whole life. It took me a year when I was reading up and by the way So I didn't think it's doing that much for me. like depression, anxiety, addiction. So if you think about it that a government scam in 1970, which was a pure political scam, These drugs, as you saw on the chart, and by the way, it would be showing with my two

46:33 veteran community has been dealing with it for a long time, and I think it's shifted I agree. And you might have seen that it was one of the problem of the advisory board meeting because the FDA is going to decide on August 11 on You have met a lot of people who take psychedelics. we can blame the Nixon government or not, but like are stuck in this misinformation.

48:38 50 biotech companies, like I do it Give you an example, like MAPS did 200 people in the phase three PDST study. In our treatment and because I have this personal conviction, And I think the political pressure of the veterans is there. country because at this point 24 is a 24 24 states we talked about yesterday 24 that, right? Like Portland, Oregon, I think, has done a reverse. They've made like, I think

51:40 Psychedelics are very strong substances in a very good way. drink which we believe was Urgot, the natural version of LSD, in the Elysianian mysteries outside of the very strong framework of the Elysianian mysteries. So psychedelics unfold. There's great benefits to micro dosing psilocybin. marijuana it doesn't it's it produces a completely different chemical when it gets processed by your liver

54:36 Rivals psilocybin, a lot of them. and I think it has in some people I think it causes fragile minds to shatter No, no, no. I didn't want to oppose Marianne. I'm just saying no No, no, it's something it's something just you were talking about it the same way Way less than alcohol. I just want to say it's it's just I know people that have blown their brains out like with psilocybin and with LSD

57:05 by the way, the same going back to microdosing, we need to find or we need to create a scientific I risk it? Microdosing is my favorite example to push back a bit because you said it actually. reproduce the positive factors individual people were saying on a large People macrodose psychedelics. So hopefully I'm not using the technically right terms but I always describe it to my

1:00:12 The answer is we don't know. Microdose and chocolate bars. It's a wonderful book by Professor Carl Hart from Columbia University, Drug Use for Grown-Ups. It's adulterated into other products. This is the microdosing, either during drug sessions or, where traditional antidepressants Like we have learned over the last hundreds of years how to prove things or dismiss things.

1:02:59 And it doesn't matter that it has a history because the data speaks for itself, right? Sure. read the headlines. cheating. It was morally reprehensible. Like think of the children. You might Like if do you have a long-term strategy? throw them away after two weeks. for us. So it's not a pop-up event like it's gonna be it. Oh, this is a century long project for us.

1:05:57 How are you gonna do it? delivered for a long period of time. So we really, as Aaron said, we planned, Yeah. and The Sphere is not an uneducated guess. where you have 12 stadiums, and there are And this is really the technological innovation that we're bringing to the But the fact that we are paying the athletes has really changed the dynamics of Olympic sports

1:10:08 each athlete, probably around $100,000. So what is first place in like boxing? Exactly, exactly. Number two is the UEFA Champions League final. world's top venture capital funds so we can deliver an amazing broadcast experience, recruit the best athletes, and mmm, right and and and this is an absolute sweet spot, right? And you see this with college football

1:12:44 And then ultimately, television rights are about that is a more compelling television package because of enhancements. It's good, well I mean it's really interesting because if it does take off, it might legitimately change about artificial intelligence the total value of all the generative AI startups not using that word, but they're all thinking about it.

1:14:57 But the consequences, the negative side effects. I've had good friends that have had very bad But like, we need, it's all about an educated guess. Like there might be people who say, look, I don't like Ozempic, then don't take it, looking at medications. It's exactly coming back to what Aaron said. We're in this zeitgeist shift where suddenly the whole industry looks at health.

1:16:55 But that's not what medicine is about. And at the time in which, you know, we live in an era of artificial intelligence where And at the first enhanced games, athletes will break world records. It's like Lance Armstrong, after coming back from cancer and winning the Tour de France No, not everyone. not trying to beat the drug test probably has about 5%.

1:19:45 And then a third dimension, it's actually a really simple one. If you just put up the athletes at the Four Seasons, give them a nice bed to sleep in, Right. the woods. What the fuck are you talking about? Paris Olympics lifts intimacy ban for athletes So yes, Google it. That's it. We don't need to build specialist stadiums. It's a pretty niche sport. Most sports at the Olympic Games,

1:22:45 Curling is one of the silliest ones of all time. Bringing you in does exactly. No. It allows them to focus. Yeah, I hook me up with some beta blockers. I'm to go do something dangerous and see how I feel. And he was supplying, it was all done through the CIA, allegedly, to supply the Contras demand. dust would settle. And the concept would be you would have to mitigate all these potential

1:26:47 Tax the externality. Read the read the social history of the Olympic movement substances are stuffed into them and like marketed to them and whatever I think it's Over long periods of time. It's not a quick fix. Nothing's gonna fix is an intelligent person that has an informed perspective on this. That's right And now so many eminent scientists and doctors come up

1:30:44 but like anabolic steroids were also on the chart. is just like, I would like to know percentage of people What is that? Oh, from the poppy fly. Yeah, okay. Butane. Butane, like lighters? People are sniffing lighters? Cannabis is in there, Jesus Physical and psychological and the social damage cause. Mm-hmm. So drug related mortality drug specific damage

1:33:21 some crime associated with taking it? I don't know if you could like put that in that same thing. It's interesting, cocaine and tobacco are like neck and neck, and then amphetamines We need more of that. So tell me why you can go bill riding, but you can't smoke a joint it makes zero sense right and What we have lost in our contemporary society in so many ways is the propensity to take risk thoughtful intelligent positive risk

1:35:58 about it, but what we know about food and what we know about certain substances that people are You can eat good here too, dude. like the marketing, I don't like the marketing for kids. Like Yeah, right and and guided, you, dietary decisions for Americans for 50 years in completely the wrong You know, they don't put the brakes on that industry. there's anyone dedicated full-time in a really professional manner to stopping

1:38:55 sports franchise with the enhanced games, capitalism also works to try to subvert accurate information and try to distort As I read the New York Times, Yeah. With a twist. And you just come back time and time again. Yeah. And... But And if there is such a person who wishes to compete of the enhanced games proposal of allowing people to take performance enhancing drugs.

1:42:16 community. And what has yet to be proven is, does an enhanced woman have an ability to compete on a level playing field? Like full stop. it's still very, not even beta stage technology, by both sides politically. but also like, it's interesting, but these are not the people who compete on an Olympic level. We want to hear that perspective and we want to sort of, but like, hasn't happened

1:45:35 I'm not putting that. And I don't think as a man. wrong Jamie. College athlete NCAA has won women's events. Has won women's events? Right. And especially if you're allowing Leah Tom. to the issue. who are being CRISPR edited by their parents. countries are gonna be edited. Yeah, and so then you know issue, where eventually we're going to have BCI implants in our brain, we're going to have gene editing,

1:49:33 or the continuous showcase where human enhancement can performance enhancements very openly. sure why it would be performance. I don't know why they mention it. Like sort of if So you can know. Well it was not because she thought she could win, it was more like because it was for men you change, you could make them sterile. I'm sure you're aware of the Eastern Bloc women in, I mean, some of the records still

1:52:27 to the use of exogenous testosterone at very high levels. If you had a female combat sports athlete and you allowed that female to compete with to be more effective. They're going to be stronger in weightlifting competition. There's Actually think there's also an economic rationale here. but we have three essential rules. Who is your doctor? Wait, third one, but it's still a limiting factor.

1:56:26 There's a number of alcohol, if you take it, you're dead. There's always for anything, for testosterone, Because for example, a lot of anabolic steroid if you she grows a beard and whatever, she's going to have damage to her body and her heart. They really can't. That's 22. Okay, so that's a... I believe 2% of all people are asthmatic. The faking asthma. Yeah. Yeah. If I had to guess. Yeah.

2:00:19 have asthma. So they just say yeah. Was athletes with asthma required to show proof of airway And colleagues, is like one of the ways to cheat That's interesting. environment or living environment is fostering it, but it also could be that they sort of Well, listen, gentlemen, this is all very, very exciting. It's just like a giant money grab and these poor athletes aren't getting any of it and

2:03:00 When it comes out, I'll tweet about it, I'll tell people. Come back on again right before it happens. Okay, so tell everybody your handle see for Christian underscore