Joe Rogan Experience #2171 — Eric Weinstein & Terrence Howard Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. what you... I have not but I would love to because it seems to me like that's the conversation We have different tastes. I didn't ask to come on. and Brian Keating, I realized that you weren't thinking so I thank all the haters and I thank all the supporters and I thank the people that's But I wanted you to talk to someone

3:52 Well, what I thought is, I have to be honest, Whatever let me just say something It's not the online stuff. here is bullshit and he's like I didn say that. That's what you inferred from what I wrote. Then I've just basically where people are doing something attention. It's part of the thing. Sure, if you think about it though, if you And in acting, for example, if there's money

7:29 lane and climbed into their lane talking about science, but here they're not inside a lab that's held us back. and then you tell me what you think is right. I was doing the move. I was in the middle of But anyway, so Terrence was there, wigged out, worst, is a broad spectrum. And he seriously wants to improve what he's doing. He cares because I sent it the treaties to him so we could discuss that on the show.

10:40 look, I just said what I said about all this stuff, good luck. I don't want to do it. That'd be great Yeah, this isn't about Tyson, and I love him. not behave honestly with respect to certain things. Very often you can't really say that everybody can do science because it's super demanding. research and being public figures, people who are public figures who we think of as researchers who aren't

13:19 But just for the record, like I said, I grew up watching Neil and having someone that was light skinned, that looked No. some of your ideas to be entirely honest. another prime number, you always get a composite number except to it does belong as a prime, but it is also special and and the fact that you don't use certain terms holy cow, that guy actually taught himself. That's more impressive.

17:10 my time is valuable, your time is valuable, The fact that the even odd distinction. No, no, no, let's get into it. Just as a base. Just as a base. You're going right into his neighborhood. Just as a base. A times when he's I know you know And that has been the stumbling block for mathematicians I have to ask him questions to find out whether i'm even right

19:02 What I would love, what I was hoping is that you would be able to explain your geometric He's saying things that are often at a level that are it was and action times and action, So then you just went into some, there's And your mind just rescued him with a partial run. I was scared to get on the stage and play with him. what is like, what about an action and a reaction?

21:45 divide by zero, but you can multiply by zero. And if division is the inverse operation of Don't know that. positive, and take the natural logs of those two numbers and add those together. Then you law of addition because they're the same system. gonna freak out about your stuff for outside ideas because the first contradiction in the unity of knowledge destroys all of

25:29 and you have to cancel the action and reactionary laws in order for one times one. Now I understand what I'm saying is that there, to say zero, zero is supposed to represent no thing, nothing – That's a Dewey Decimal system. Right. Now in the moment, what is a dollar squared? What does a dollar squared become? of units that are in circulation decreases the value per unit.

29:02 Because the first thing that happens But I'd like to get back Well, because I'm trying to be professional that's hilarious. Isn't that adorable? Like I like how you dress man I didn't come up with it. If a separate cosmogony hadn't been handed to me, given to me, that's why I explain that thing. where we're talking about the Bose Einstein condensate

31:25 Yeah, that was part of the plan today. And also that blender thing is very cool. And because it's, you know, in particular, where the book would be. That's on, where is the book? Terrence Howard, yep. Let's see, open. distract and keep people from being able to find it it's probably the government What's great about this, I'll be able to pull pieces out of it.

34:28 didn't know its history. look, there's this very old pattern that's distributed all over the world, and is first of all suspicious to you to this and that's what you mean when you say opening the flower because the energy being expressed in motion, It is not true that all energy is expressed in motion. When that weight is going up and down, So we have to get into what,

38:05 Terrence says, show me in nature a single straight line. Now Terrence is going to say... Or what you would think is a straight line. with empty space I mean we could take this down to that like there is no And that's me with the headphones. And in fact, let's imagine that I... Right. Not this early early. What does that mean in the American man? My I did not study what caused this

41:56 What's their process of looking at I that's a very good question I imagine that you have a state in a bosonic fox space which is multi-particle. So you've got if you want to get jiggy, people always want to talk about faster-than-light And in a certain sense, how do you You're a wave in a medium, and you as a wave don't know that you're a wave and you don't

45:10 what the ether was going to be and special relatively yeah in a certain is not a vacuum. It's not a vacuum. It's not a vacuum. Spherical cubes. Yeah, they're cool, right? all of the wave conjugations, So they've got them moving right by each other or in creating that vorticity, that natural what the fuck see but that's because that's because of the uncertainty and Schrodinger

48:23 with the wave conjugations because they talk about the hyperbolic, they show the pieces of picture of you and we do a an NMR or a CAT scan. We have at these quantum entangled photons I think, you know, I've addressed the National Academy of Sciences four times, I think, because what's coming out. If we can go back to the flower of life, I can try to...

51:30 Renormalization theory is a way of saying we know that we're working with math that's wrong, and on the other hand, we have a way of working with math that's wrong, even though we know it's wrong. So in this case- Yes I learned from this, I didn't understand how widespread it was. it. Now there was something, for example, called the Antik-thera mechanism, which is

53:56 wisdom and knowledge there was because this was a mechanical calculator for understanding Look at that beautiful thing. Oh, and if we... Just the pyramids are the best example of that, right? heavy objects over a mountain. Right? So he wrote an entertainment to test an engineering That's right. of the reasons I just, I believe that we listen to people who have things to say. So if we

56:54 said, I don't know where these shapes come from, but they are beautiful. That was like and then it will radiate back. like let's say six stones in precise places in water and then, you know, using super slow Okay. tetrahedron with spherical and it's not actually hyperbolic. Those are going to be So the word negative is appearing twice curvature and negative space are different concepts.

1:00:21 One curve going one direction, the other is going in, they're curved in the same direction. That looked a little comfortable. the thing press on that jewel and then go to the if you put those two in, Now, the way in which you would do this, I believe, in the center of your cube. And that cube will have an octahedral cavity that looks like is nature always makes things in pairs

1:04:43 appreciate this tap now tap on that touch the hunting in the middle. You're putting a lot of words, like first of all, let's just admit that this looks gorgeous. So what I'm going to claim is I've got these eight rambutans here. to be one of Terrence's things in the center, except there are going to be six holes for you'll be back to that. off an octahedral cavity with positively curved triangles inside.

1:07:58 and the space inside of it? So when I put four spheres, four circles, did is he said, I'm going to make mathematical spheres, they're going to start to intersect And in fact, I don't know if you guys have these things. and you can change the color of the sphere So as you pull this thing apart it can change colors That's very bizarre. and Dragons they don't really even have any idea of, is if you take the five platonic

1:11:34 The dodecahedron, 12 faces, 20 vertices. They do and they don't. Like what are these guys talking about? Holy shit. Legalize schedule one. So, Terrence, no one can hear you. Where if you'll go to where the 12 bubbles meet? Yeah on the thing so these You should come up with a gearing mechanism. Cube, the Habermann's switch pitch, these things prove that that's not true.

1:15:08 I don't want to go there. I told you that they produce a supersymmetrical structure. Between bosons and fermions. bracket and I want to see that that bracket obeys a super Jacobi identity and otherwise and he's saying that supersymmetry only applies to a very specific thing. You're using a reserved term of art. You don't even know what that is. It doesn't have anything to do with what she did.

1:18:39 I know. the reason that science works as well as it does anywhere in a respectable position anymore. Terrence is coming from a and form those same structures. This is where the negative space where 12 bubbles meet. By the way, I would be honored to have They make a natural icosahedron. Yeah. I put 20 of them together. They make a natural icosahedron.

1:21:00 I said the same thing about one other thing. Now look at that. magnetic field. So these predict and create a natural dodecahedron, whereas Because it's supersymmetry. that you don't know well. stuff in mathematics and physics that's completely established, that's closest to us. Yes. sometimes I'm not quite sure, he associates with the magnetic field. Now, I don't have

1:24:54 I don't know what the hell you're talking about. That's the natural nature of electricity. That's the north. South is always seeking a lower position. is happening very clearly. Let me use the term radiative field. Electricity is always pulling in from the inside. If I ask you to give me the maximum possible volume with the minimum possible area, I'm

1:28:30 And your brain is like, I mean in part, I mean, it's in part, people who see many connections Eric, you pulled this up though before we get any further away from that. So there are six independent entries in the top triangle. right so in other words if I took the top three, like, you know, wave fronts that are expanding spherically. geometrical understanding based on a spiritual undertaking. And it used to be that spirituality

1:32:28 And that makes me crazy. are curvature. It's not just gravity, which we've known has been curvature since 1915, actually 1913 of curvature. To your point about nothing is a straight line. You can have space-time and something else put a circle at every point that is obscured There's nothing that this doesn't predict. Okay. and you insulate it where it says solenoid,

1:36:16 Now you think that the insulation is going to keep you from being able to tell whether Talk cool This thing over here on the right, the Faraday tensor, is a consequence of the real star of fun of them mercilessly, because you're not nearly as smart as you think you are. Now most of the time what Neil says is, oh yes, one in 10,000 heterodox people have a

1:38:49 It's about four of these suckers rather than six of those. Go right hand under, under, on your hand and now grab his wrist. That A basically measure is the collection of hands that we had, the planes. That's a crazy way of saying it, but at its deepest level that's really what we are. math departure from where numbers started representing actual things.

1:42:07 You have to move those other things so you can see. I just want you to align them. This is the supersymmetry that I'm talking about that excellence that is not the best that is an eight dimensional lattice called e8 as a drug. Okay? And if you're not very careful with the mathematics Hebrew for chariot. Everything connects to everything else in this unbelievably beautiful

1:45:37 proof beyond the symmetry that of what it does. You say geometry is a proof and Jamie, could I trouble you for that portal group slash th? If I raise the 12th root of three to the 25th power, saying is you're coming from a perspective that is philosophical Fixed point fixed point now fixed point you have something called a transformation the transformation. Let me see if if

1:49:11 two, it's going to go off to infinity. all of these are Now, that is not unnatural. There's something, I hate to say it, it's If you have a map of a sphere to a sphere, there has to be some point that doesn't move. In other words, what you're saying about things Then teach me. Yeah, I know. And you tell me that this loop isn't a contradiction. Hit two.

1:52:02 No, no. You're trying to say something. That thing is gonna be dead still till the end of time. Sure it does. action and reaction, the universe, it's the separation of math from There's no object at rest. At a subatomic level. virtual particles are coming in and out of existence, Then you get to the point which is something that is rest, therefore naively think, therefore any mathematics that references anything that is zero or

1:57:00 And then I'd say well wait a second. I'm talking to you about a mathematical structure I mean, if I have a picture from AI of a woman that doesn't exist but no Simon's and Yang and then there's also this thing which people associate with Mac Tecmark Max Tecmark, which is older To say maybe we can't trust mathematics now. I have a lot of Money. But imagine if science took a wrong turn when it walked down the road of relativity, if

2:00:42 Okay. So you say you've come up with the grand unified field equation. to prove that it was electricity and magnetism. They could derive all of the effects of nature Now, let me see if is there anything under there? actually covered by that strong electrical force. Terrence, one second. That's the determinant of the space-time metric And then in the parentheses is where the stuff gets crazy.

2:03:47 So when you say everything is curved, that R is the scalar curvature of Einstein's pseudo-Romanian electromagnetic size. Then because of 1954 guy named CN Yang and his sidekick Mills, who didn't do nearly occurs differently. One is Romanian, one is Erismanian. due to Peter Higgs because we found out in the late 50s, Psi is the wave function. Vacuum expectation value because the vacuum isn't boring.

2:07:25 because of the efforts of Madame Wu and Yang and Li, is a Feynman path integral of this. Now, this is the difference between having, Terrence, you didn't do that. I really want a YouTube video of him creating these things. You say, one, it's dark matter because it's interstitial. because it's balanced as four and four, it must be the weak force because there's no

2:10:19 This becoming the geometry of hydrogen Yeah. on two magnetic fields. That, no. surfaces what's gonna get fucked up any yeah anytime you're urinating a man is Yes. Well, you're about to see that interact with the other side. Yeah. I mean, let's be honest. Now if I was a protein scientist, to the double helix, is that she was a really good scientist want any part of it and the problem for her was yeah helices are ubiquitous at

2:16:02 which you're finding here. You're gonna find helices over and over and over again all motion. We just define the motion behind a boat. We just define I don't know how to stop you from doing this. Because even if what you're saying is true, let's imagine that we find some structures Okay, but part of what you're doing is you're coming into another community. Like what you

2:18:59 This guy knows every aspect of physics so well that he can explain it with razor sharp Okay, if you want to say, And that's what I did. Okay, I can throw out the entirety of what he's saying. What did I say? That wasn't true though? That's what I'm that's that's that's You're in a bad spot because you wanted to have fun. You had a show and it got really big

2:21:02 and get you out of my office. that you should add A to itself B number of times. operation and I want to know its properties. Is it commutative? No. I've developed, like imagine if I got on this program and I said, is John Jones No. still based on linear projections, even though we are in a multi-dimensional space. I don't wanna talk about, you've ever been on and you imagine it was perfectly groomed

2:24:54 you would not try to deny the linear. You would say that the nonlinear is part and parcel So we've got an entire language that you don't know about. and that's where the curvature come from. the concept of that one. No, no, no. Yeah, I like that one. Okay. So that arm you knew is the Ricci curvature. But yeah, you're in the right neighborhood. universe is expanding and then very recently in the end of the millennium

2:28:45 the only way that it's almost zero is because the bosons and the fermions if And I think that you're negating the idea very often that you can have perfectly balanced They didn't know anything about chemistry and he totally dismissed them. He is the guy who figured out that the amount of A was equal to the amount of C and the had been paired. And so they're always the hydrogen bond enforced that one was a double

2:31:04 it's probably the greatest, I agree with Jim, this is the reason for supersymmetry. Without The huntian, that's my son. So then, and then, and then here's how your unification scheme goes. It's a draft, like the thermos. I'll hand you the stuff that'll blow your mind. than the superficial relationship between, you know, I'm like let me see I said Weinstein, because Brian Keaton said Weinstein.

2:34:04 Is that what you're saying? Yeah, he said Weinstein. No, he said Weinstein, so I thought I said Weinstein, but I said Eric Weinstein. So whatever Harvey is. Keating said Weinstein? Is that what you're saying? So what we were talking about was Bob Lazar, who's a guy who claimed to be back engineering and gravitation. Newtonian gravitation law. Force law. so we have these inverse square laws and

2:35:32 Let's do the electromagnetic. OK. And I've never understood this great red gravitation and electromagnetism super early on. so he doesn't need to put gravity in From the shapes it create creating force? into where there's a feel almost a balance. No. he's in front, everybody else is supporting, right? And the equations are like the different configurations of one person in front and everybody else supporting that person.

2:40:40 But the Higgs field is responsible for like 1% of the force applied upon them, right? equation that's forbidden if the universe is left-right asymmetric this How old are you? Sydney Crawford have this left right asymmetry to them. That thing is like the weak force. It's the only thing that can would all zip off in opposite directions but for the Higgs field.

2:43:34 What do you think happens next? and he's got a spinning back kick to die for, okay? because I'm inspired by what you're trying to do. effects that we call gravity. term that they were using for this foam, but it's a flowing. Because I'm going to get into the same thing. No, I'm listening right now. I'm a student. Right now. I swear to you right now. I am

2:47:01 you. I will try to put your best foot forward. I'm not out to get you. Where we are right now is that the Brian Greens of the universe will not look and then they can take every right thing that you did We all know each other. Yes. from doing science, right? Is weirdly based on an error claims for the linchpin appear to mirror Green's extraordinary claims for the string.

2:50:27 do the same thing. It's a great expression on Brian's face. I pluck it and it vibrates, A neutrino, nothing but a string vibrating in a different pattern still. Now, string theory is not a terrible idea initially. So the same basic pattern, which is one thing explains it all is not equal to three fifths pi. But no, but I'm not mad about it at all. That's what you're talking about.

2:54:14 I don't give a shit about these patents. Do you know about even temperament? and avoid the Pythagorean comma, Show it on a calculator. Okay. Okay, and now raise that to the 19th power yeah, oh That is, if we take the national anthem, can you sing, I think you can. Because the reason we divided that octave into 12 parts is that we couldn't figure out how to get three to be perfect because

2:57:40 me I just I just used a little thing that they don't know about. No, I know about the reason. I'm coming. figured out something that is analogous to even temperament, which is if you shove a pentagon, which should have three radians distributed It does not follow a natural expansion. do re mi fa so la ti do, right? Do to me is an abomination. Working for a man every night and day.

3:00:15 Sitte is going to be the third, and that third is wildly sharp to the Pythagorean third. The doubling is perfect. So there's no reason to do that. It's the 12th, the 29th, per scale. Yes. And you get a worse third. So there's no reason to do that. Listen to me. Well so the idea is I have a rotation group of symmetries of this object Let's get to that in one second,

3:03:09 three degrees of freedom, which is the rotations Just... don't know that you invented it. I think you did. I did invent it. I promise you, I think you always give away the compliment because you don't, in three-dimensional space, you potentially forget the this, forget the that, it's very cool if you take what Intel does with drones where they sort of synchronize these swarms, this thing comes together and it forms a stable structure.

3:06:15 It's a fraud. structure that is the same exact thing. knowledge, by the way, I looked at this years ago. Hold on, hold on, no, no, no, before you I can't stop you doing that. And you know what you just said, in my language? But this right here, when you have, No. All right. Okay. Oh, this is a virus. Now this thing is an example of imperfection in nature.

3:10:05 CAPO, CAPSO, CAPSOMIR, yeah. Maybe let's go to the protein PDB capsamere and you'll get an understanding If you think about a square, a square can become a parallelogram very easily. So they're not very, you know, engineers will use triangles over squares. What you need to do, in my opinion, is to You don't walk by a perfect gape. Because another thing that I see you taking a lot of guff for is the periodic

3:12:53 I don't even wanna call him a guitarist. in the table is actually a push button, energies are extremely high, so we have to transpose them down to a range that we can't. But normally I set that at zero and just leave it there. Three is kind of like a nice so what he's doing is he's preparing you for the fact that he's gonna play the See, I tried to do the same thing and I asked I caught... People treat

3:16:30 from a calculation based on the actual energy of the element. wait a second. But I wasn't saying that hydrogen is 40.5. I was saying that the key of E is 40.5 hertz But wait a second, Terrence. You activated a bunch of chemists who said, But you have to keep once you keep doubling that but ways that get tears that you They don't have to tune their ta around A440 because there's only three instruments.

3:19:12 Joseph Gerbos pushed that around the world. The Sound of Hydrogen from WSU, are very different, by saying that everything that has frequency and vibration Terrence Howard, Joe Rogan experience. Yeah, no, no, the, the, the, we're, who are mathematically minded like you are, you're looking at complex valued functions on the two-dimensional sphere. And the sort of

3:22:54 highest weight for a highest weight representation imagine carbon is an octave above I think is what you said. My problem is- from like 1926, something like that. Quantum electrodynamics isn't going to be born. David Tong was saying, we teach hard little ball theory. Right? There's an up quark and to me was here I was showing him these are I'm not kidding around with this guy. You've got to be Jesus Christ to figure out who's ethical and who isn't. I'm not kidding around with this guy.

3:26:16 No, I haven't been uniformly kind. This idea that Neil said about why doesn't he just submit to peer review? There was a study called... you send it to your colleagues. It is their duty to alert you Let me make it clear that I'm delighted when I see people with active minds trying to tackle And so there's this sort of valley in there, So then there's a sort of a lull there.

3:29:37 It requires years and years of study, What do we have is there is that let's try that It is research journals where attention can be given Thanks for listening. are all wondering about that. Cosmos is not your normal talking head documentary. You haven't been cleaned up. And you know, Neil's right. If what you want is peer review, you should go to a journal

3:33:16 Let him finish because this is a sustained thought. destroyed- that you had an incomplete library. So he diluted the quality of the editorship of the thing the peer review thing got woven in so that people think that the scientific like, I can't evaluate this. He was letting you have your piece. what science was supposed to be. can I just summarize this?

3:37:08 Just this alone. You've got two establishment figures, one of whom is and anybody who doesn't understand them is a horrible person. I can tell you a dozen terrible stories of peer review where people have confessed to They're dwarfed by this. Now you look at what Neil said about your stuff, I do not have any economic or authoritative interest It may not work in practice.

3:40:46 And it's because we have this fake openness. that you're doing. shorting you is unforgivable so what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to offer I'm out from under these people. In the case of Anthony Fauci and Jay Bhattacharya, And the mutiny is going to be based here, because this is a place that you'd invite And some crosses on the wall. because stability is too difficult?

3:43:57 Podcasts as dippy and shitty and as variable in quality as they are reviewed. I will show you. I would love that. I would love that. I'll take some of your money. And that's offensive to people that are actual experts in a thing. In other words, you believe what you're saying, When I saw you mention Clifford Algebra, I'll try to put a circuit in your mind

3:46:37 Is that from Kill Bill? Yeah. Oh my claim is is that you need your ass unbelievable. He's just he's so damn good. Yeah he's an insanely talented person. But you know what? beyond genius, right? And he wasn't a bad guy at all, but he was so powerful in his well, why don't you play us some boogie-woogie? But Noam then became the youngest professor in the history of Harvard University.

3:50:09 There's a creative spark and a spirit in you can tell, what you need is some discipline. And you need discipline from is that they see heterodox thinkers thing. Can we pull up that my page again? We're gonna wrap it up with this one. Okay, I want you to take a look I was working with Apollo diamonds. what I'm doing. An honorary degree. and it took me seven years to get that away from them.

3:54:05 Harvard University needs to go back to the business of kicking ass and taking names and catch you in a lie, I can catch you in an error, I don't care. My question is what did you do? What was the imagine that there were lies, University who said to me something, it's so beautiful I can't reproduce it, he There's a lot of work to do it. So we're on the lookout for people who are just frauds, who have nothing that they actually

3:57:15 patents the supersymmetry. It's not the 97 patents it's not the supersymmetry. The platonic solids I still see I think that the real story, Terrence, is going to be whether you can stop teaching long alive and hadn't been killed by COVID I know I'd know where to send you there's nub of truth in them. QAnon is not, can't be total bullshit because it's got some

4:00:19 rate unlike any other sport in the world, What you have to understand is that K-Fabe, and I highly recommend you look at my essay from 2011, is about what And then there's almost always a bullshit payload that gets leavened in, because in I take you up on on examining and exploring these into the areas, because like I said, these are tools. But it doesn't mean it's impossible.

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