Joe Rogan Experience #2194 — Luis Elizondo Transcript

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3:49 may or may not know, it's kind of outside of DC. Because you have to go right past Langley. Especially DC. It's such a disgrace because you bring in these foreign dignitaries and the first thing and tribal law enforcement. I got there in 2008. It was probably early 2009 is when I was approached by know what you're getting involved in. I didn't at all. Not at all. In fact, so yeah, great question. So no, I didn't know what

6:39 time I had the counterintelligence background. location of this office but it was somewhere in the DC area. It was a facility that wasn't known publicly to be He's an amazing human being and very smart. And I said, no, that's not what I said. and may challenge any preconceived notion So that was not my disposition. for me, I was always very fact-driven.

10:08 15 16 years. Yeah do the math right? So it's And there may be others. So how do you first get introduced to these things? conventional aircraft you know they still have the old there's a there's a Well, let's say this cigar, for example, is an airplane, They didn't have wings. They didn't have rudders and ailerons and control surfaces. They didn't you've got a real national security concern on your hands.

13:48 fruit that could be released to the general public. There's stuff out there that's like And then you've got eyewitnesses that are also watching it right so you've got trained trained observers pilots that that can And so keep in mind with my background as a former special agent in counterintelligence, on here that defies conventional wisdom or conventional understanding of propulsion systems?

16:16 Self-funded a lot of this stuff on behalf of the US government for by himself. Like he paid it to do it himself Yeah, and the Colares incident. that really I left there that dinner scratching my head well. I think he brought, if I recall correctly, his daughter to translate because I don't reports and speaking to the scientists, it became evident to me that this was a very

18:55 Was there ever an incident where a pilot or a jet did run into something? Okay, you should have it on radar. Yeah, I got something on radar, but no eyes. I can't see it. will consult for the US government. Yeah, but it was silver metallic and like a diamond maybe. So every time I'm seeing one of these videos, I'm kind of seeing something for the very

21:51 Like I said, more than eyewitness testimony is important, but at the end of the day, you That's why I think from our perspective, having the fundamental categories, the observables, we don't come close to that. Well, in some cases, no windows. that there were actually windows, even though an they were real, like I said, because you're backing it up with all this other sensor data.

24:45 are hundreds and hundreds of videos that the intelligence community and the Department with. When I had Chris Mellon in the Pentagon, he saw those videos. And up to that point, he had been, when he was a senior person at the Pentagon, like very senior, one of I was one of the senior guys, he got the Heisman, right? something that really should be, at least in some way, shape or form, released to the

26:51 Which by the way things with drones now you absolutely can't create images in the sky 100% dragons and stuff with yeah And then once the data suggests otherwise, Right. And the problem with that is always the Kenneth Arnold No, it just means that it means I'm old. Oh great, yeah so paragraph 6 right now so if you want to scroll down to Yeah, the observers of.

30:06 It says that it was determined above that, Right. 1970s reverse engineered technology or some sort of right 1950 they're talking about we had just broken the sound barrier and Now listen, if you want to look at this from an adversarial perspective, our governors and still was using horse drawn carts for a lot of their military operations. So temporally

32:50 have an advantage over our adversaries. But in 1950, that wasn't the case. it's to, and the date and what the subject line is. Flying, it's, God, it's hard to read because it's all screwy. Atomic energy commission. else, the best example of it definitely not being ours is something from the 1950s. it makes me suspicious So when you're going back to your quite answer your question when you are going to a general or you're going to a military leader

36:23 They're just taking a pragmatic approach. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's understandable obviously we're talking about 1950. Do they have stuff from the 1980s, stuff from other countries adversarial countries why because we spy on them and we know again I can't say how we know and whatnot I'm in trouble but just so we So we also know that Russia, they've come out and said yeah we're interested in

38:25 the Patagonia area of Argentina, there is a near town called Bariloche and Las Lajas, one of the why it's so difficult to have the conversation here is because our government You have, Joe, you have a former director of national intelligence, Radcliffe, a former So if we go back to the history of the debunking of it, you know, like the Project Blue Book

40:31 doing these investigations. it. And so both sides were keeping this very quiet, but there was an interesting agreement And we don't want to start World War III because either side And so when Philip Corso was dismissing all these different things, did they have anything, effort to try to create so much stigma and taboo? I think it was because of that. I think

43:08 At any time we could launch, let's focus on that, They didn't want to cause panic. Well, we have classified systems. we had to be very, very careful and they were spying on American citizens. And they were doing things. shouldn't do. They were spying on students, and they were spying on American citizens. on American citizens. You don't bring in US persons information and adjust them into a Department of Defense

45:44 Overwhelming. There's absolutely no doubt that we didn't have to look at civilian data They're like one city block. and you could see this thing zip right by it. It's unidentified anomalous phenomenon because it's all domain initially was UFO is, I'm going to, if I can digress for a second, because that's super important, Joe. We have Same thing with, for example, the space shuttle.

48:39 These objects aren't slowing down. calculations on how this is possible and the consensus was by the possible. Kind of think of like a unifying theory. And so if you had the And so you can't have one without the other. And so you have this ability to create a bubble around do is fundamentally force equals mass times acceleration. F equals ma, right? Mass times

51:59 talk lecture about this technology. And he gave a lecture about three years ago to some other He's like, look, at the end of the day, this is how it's possible. And that was kind of this, wow. So it's really necessarily what you see on the inside. In fact, may I do it more drawing for you? Yeah, right, and so you have this, If you had the ability to compress space-time, and not a lot, just a little bit, and you were able to

55:38 And so it seems like science fiction, but when you understand the mathematics and some in our in our program. So they realized they're one of the reasons why these than that I have, so I went through a very lengthy Pentagon review have in its possession, all I can simply say approved by the Pentagon, won't get in trouble by saying it, is that there's very compelling

58:21 I don't think they have a choice. And I am sure the other shoe is gonna drop. Look if I was if I was a military person, right, I would look at this from the perspective of there's three options. They didn't stop us when we started developing nuclear weapons interfered with our nuclear weapons. Yeah. And he said, are you aware of UFOs interfering with our nuclear capabilities?

1:01:58 government has no idea apparently exists. so if they're not here for friend if they're not it's not friendly right that leaves them neutral like us right or and reconnaissance. because what happens the moment that the bad guys They know we're here. decision-making matrix. The last thing they want to do is get involved in this thing where now they have a PR campaign when they're trying to let people

1:05:26 especially in the New York Times in 2017. literally have Congressman Bershette and Congresswoman AOC side by side agreeing that this is important. I think they're like vegetables in your refrigerator. You look around like, well, how do we get ourselves out of this trip? Right. times. And let's just get clear with all this and understand that it was all in good faith that

1:07:53 a multi-billion dollar aerospace company. Company B goes bankrupt, 200 people lose their how we deal with that as well. have to otherwise like how what else would you do you know I mean how else plastic before. You don't even understand electromagnetic radiation, right? Where's the strings? And it's all done through the air. I'm aware, I don't know Bob, I've never met him.

1:10:48 It's kind of something I impose on myself because I didn't want to have any preconceived the investigative integrity. And we're all humans, we're all biased. There's no way around You're aware of the story, though, right? and to try to... They didn't know how it exactly worked, but they sort of just said, tell me what this is. I had dinner with him with my friend Andrew Schultz

1:12:46 title of it is. seeing in these crafts, which is very strange. So he described how these things worked and That's a hell of a lucky guess. it didn't make any sense. He didn't know what the fuck that thing was things. How does the helmet, is it similar and this guy who does not have use of his body has this Neuralink implant. Because you you don't miss you look at the thing you're trying to shoot at and instantaneously your crosshairs go there Wow

1:16:41 It takes us longer to then have to mechanically use our hands and manipulate and 500, 600 years ago to today, and then cell phones, I used to have a slideshow and I still have it somewhere and I would discuss the word, And then people would look at and say well When in reality, in science, by definition, everything is paranormal until it becomes And they assumed, they'd never seen a horse before,

1:19:21 And so there's all these examples in history where we think something is kooky and weird Well first of all, what's kooky? in our own Milky Way. when I was learning to be microbiology and immunology And you are either A, a plant, or B, you're an animal. During the Renaissance and the days of Newton, In fact, if you take all the biomass of every plant and the biomass of every animal and

1:22:15 And yes, live on the skin of the ISS space station. Well, the answer is a resounding yes, of course it's possible energy to sustain life, right? So every time we put Mother Nature in a little box, she Like you said, 200,000 years, which is nothing, the existence, right? And like you said, 200,000 That's right. space is so huge and, you know, is it possible that things are coming from outer space? My

1:25:09 where the whole universe is behaving in a way that it shouldn't and yet that looks And as beautiful as those night skies are, if you were to look at that same portion of But most of reality is actually beyond that. Well, it's a fast light can travel in a year. Well light travels pretty fast have time to reach Earth. the size of a human as we are the size of the universe as we are a human to the size of the universe

1:28:07 Yeah, we live in a tiny sliver. And the idea that we're alone, I think, is preposterous. in a helicopter, right, and let's say you want to monitor the health of a particular herd of elephants, right? and says, Bill, you're not gonna believe this man, We wear panda suits. that there's aliens amongst us? Sure, especially if you have the technology. If you look at a dude in a dog costume, he's like, uh uh, that ain't a fucking dog. He's going to bark. If like a dude in a dog costume, he'd be like, uh-uh, that ain't a fucking dog.

1:30:34 Like if it was really dark out and that guy grabbed you and zapped you with a tranquilizer, here and and by the way you already have very senior people in our government Like what we know more about the moon than the bottom of our own ocean and so so crazy called the Fast Walker program, which about it because I don't have approval to talk about it, but obviously they're interested

1:33:18 Have there been interactions with these things? There's an individual who I'm aware of who was a helipilot, a helicopter pilot back in You got the helo pilot, you got the crew chief and the copilot looking all down at the bubble. And the helicopter's like, You got to say imagine being that guy hanging from that line. No, thank you. We call that Who's that seal?

1:35:44 We'll put you in a fucking panda outfit. Right. And as you're tracking it, it enters the water without making a splash. story about this. This is a customs and border protection release this. How fast is this thing So it's going high speed through the water. You can see all these videos. They're prevalent everywhere. Do you think they're trying to let people see them?

1:38:36 Wouldn't it like go towards whatever military vehicles it has and and show itself and then I? That would be stock market crash, mass chaos. No one would know what to do. That would be stock market crash, mass chaos. No one would know what to do. We look at our pet dogs, and we give them human names, But we have to recognize that there that is very likely not human.

1:41:16 They're not motivated necessarily because they don't want to spook the herd, but they they do it would just make sense that if they're studying us, they would understand our Yeah. And obviously, if they are these super intelligent creatures, they evolved to become super intelligent You see the same kind of things today. It's almost like going somewhere in the 1950s

1:43:21 They have really good mechanics. recognized something that wasn't quite as intelligent as us. We don't rush into these Any intelligent species to progress to the point like his all life is expansive, right? Or is it only specific to life here on Earth? It makes sense. So I've got a couple good lawyers that I work with on just contractual stuff link analysis, and that link analysis still follows those fractal patterns, that the patterns

1:47:01 or beyond just physical patterns. We're talking philosophical, psychological, sociological, theological implications that Well, life is abundant on this planet, isn't it? have found some sort of an evidence of microbiological life. And this is just what we know about here. It's got methane clouds. every time we try to put Mother Nature in a box, Speaking of going that far back, I mean, how much of, I gotta think that when people are delving

1:50:46 magic is tomorrow's technology right. So I can tell you when I went to Italy I Right. to battle space. Oh yeah. When you talk to him, you're like, God, that's the guy. of it relates to UAP. Wow yeah it only makes sense that these things if they're when they were on the water Well, not only that, kraken they think likely did exist. These are what's called great white sharks and blue whales.

1:54:16 So, you know, we just realize, though, Something crashed into the water, but I can't find yeah on the tips of wing tips on aircraft. lightning well it could be here you go so and they call it St. Elmo's fire see story was that they've always been here and that they view us as containers. I'm certainly not a religious expert, innovation and technological progress is very quick very especially when you add

1:57:43 Lust for innovation and continues to make better and better things and maybe that thing only exists in biology and maybe the problem with it changed its code to give itself more time. more. And also some of the great things that human beings do I could not agree more and also some of the great things that can't I can't urge the government to be transparent and I'm not transparent

1:59:56 makes Joe Joe, well, it's not your physical self and probably not even your intellectual self. My mother, I was very close to my mother. yes, son, everything dies. I said, well, mom, you're not going to die. You're a mom, all You say, yeah, of course you're going to make it, right? it can be very unnerving for the people who have to witness this. There was just something weird, something reached and said, this is it, she's going.

2:03:10 Her body resembled nothing of what she did. You can call it a soul, an id, a cheat, whatever. You know, you can put a It's a terrible, horrible thing, especially in warfare. I witnessed this firsthand. Now people can say all sorts of stuff they want to. I don't It's just a shell. He's not there anymore. a feeling it is and you can it's again it's not an intellectual even a physical

2:06:32 to move the earth and is a type of life and then there's a life that this thing creates. through this process, and that this is a natural process Silicon is very, very close to carbon in some cases. I mean, we might be there. it is your philosophy teacher at the university. I think we're getting into an area now that The government is just human beings.

2:09:54 And I had the privilege of knowing he was sick, and so we took a road trip down to Miami and he didn't wanna tell me. he says, son, it's corruption. chaos. could or would. And that actually erodes the very essence of what democracy is and what this country And they don't have the right to bypass that. the whole government because the government is full of great people.

2:13:30 And to me, that is a greater threat than any UAP could ever have on humanity. I'm damn sure they're not qualified here. You figure it out. tell you, I don't ever get nervous doing an interview. You were the first one and probably you are influencing the world. You've got big shoulders, man. You've got a big weight on, a lot of responsibility on your back. And I mean this is your...