Joe Rogan Experience #2195 — Andrew Huberman Transcript

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0:00 Need more hot takes? Head to the FanDuel Sportsbook app. They've got more ways to bet, more ways that like we're talking about Carl, but then dog selection has been twofold, First of all, cool point, dogs are among, which makes sense, growth hormone, But we've we've seen it before Tibetan Mastiff Tibetan Mastiff. Tibetan Mastiff. Poor, poor mama. They're amazing.

3:33 And there are a lot of breeds on this chart, kind of snub nose like the French bulldog, for instance, the English Bulldog. like short snout, right? in the front of the body. They have a disruption or mutation in the gene They snore like a motherfucker. they were capable of doing, so inward rotation, and then being able to let go and get called off right?

6:37 They'll go find rats. when you start looking at the different breeds, I start breeding for loyalty and aggression. which indeed it is. that many of the fatalities in boxing bonding in that case between animals and humans. Anyway, that's a bit of a tangent, that was in Science Magazine or Scientific American, like I see a collie down there, I think long snouts,

9:25 I've always wanted a red bone coon hound. and it gives them a better sense of the chase. The frequency of sniffs. olfactory bulb and are able to assess both directionality. everything's covered and they can follow a scent These people have a nose like Ari Shaffir? And it turns out people are really good at this. Chocolate scent through the grass. of a blood hound to human tracking of a scent buried

12:01 that yellow line is not a line Well, how do they bury it if it's grass? Really? this chair of neurosurgery, okay, And then Rick said, I was wide-eyed too. it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, from a hundred, 200 yards away. and a mouse's vision is dramatically different. So, and that's because the density of pixels, This is his argument, but the bloodhounds sniff much more.

15:08 relative to a human or a bloodhound, which is that there's a particular compound but he said you can essentially add a drop of this but it requires some removal that as soon as people meet, People don't realize this. Right, so we're probably sensitive That's actually very normal behavior. When you have babies or puppies, Actually, an ex-girlfriend of mine wrote to me recently.

18:06 and like maybe it had fallen out of favor Cause if you're really in love with someone, extreme as an elk, The cribriform plate is a bunch of Swiss cheese, Yeah, look at that picture. throughout the lifespan, so-called neurogenesis, Now, under conditions like, we saw this a lot during COVID Actually, I think I recommended it during the time when you're starting to lose your smell

20:57 but there are influenza viruses that do this. you kind of feel like so much of pleasure in life, Like I don't, there are worse things in life. It is true that the behavioral tool of taking a lemon In other words, the behavioral training works. So I took 600 milligrams of alpha lipoic acid whether or not it would have come back anyway. Are they legal before I do something illegal?

23:11 Okay, this is the strongest shit. We have ever tried. I will just this one sealed to so yeah Oh my god damn my hands are slippery now we run clinical trials on humans, Oh. You're like we're down here in Texas, So okay. Now again, this is totally legal. Yeah. Get in there. Yeah, take it in. Oh, now I would imagine if you had COVID, I'm obviously biased.

26:04 I know I go down these like nerdy rabbit holes here, Here's what's wild. Turns out it's a direct reflection of a shift look, the olfactory bulbs, That is absolutely true, he tells me. Most of our brain, frankly, than they are in a sight hound. Yeah. Yeah. So what Nome is saying is not that humans have smell And so it may be something related to maternal behavior.

29:00 that we're constantly taking the chemicals off other people There could be the stress. The more stressed somebody is, right? like if you tell me the truth, They're counterpunched quick. Well, they're selling it. They say it and they're like, does he buy it. So it's like their defenses are up. They're counterpunched quick. So you are able to sense the,

30:38 And I think maybe that's because I've had more conversations that's part of the problem. that you can't get out anywhere. And so I consider myself pretty good at threat sensing, some of the sexiest people for some weird reason. You know what I'm saying? and it cuts across all the standard labels And he says, in this 10% of people, but are highly manipulative.

33:30 Just don't make that agreement in year one. are created by about 10% of people, And again, cuts across men and women equally, he claims. of people and things. We're not diagnosing anybody. It sucks that you have to think that way though. Yeah, but a year's a long time though. I mean, you mentioned that the relationship or something, for some people, that's intoxicating.

36:04 and really is asking questions about your feelings, that creates infant child attachment a different set of algorithms. that were designed for one thing about just how it is that, you know, are just like doing their best to feel safe, people quote unquote trying to get their needs met, should be able to spot all the landmines. into this fog that is like, gosh,

39:00 and like run some experiments here. that are very sheltered Not that I had the hardest upbringing, we have this tendency to be easily manipulated Like I think that for some people it's nurturing, sometimes they're set to perceive danger or something like that. which are exciting. I'm thinking people who like high intensity but someone sent me one that I was like, yes, that feels so true,

42:04 I think a lot of people are just like trud their day-to-day existence. I think they're bored. I think a lot of people are just like trudging along You know, people get excited by people Like Jesus, what is she doing? He's got tattoos all over his face. Post Malone, good friend of mine. I think he Jelly Roll's a good friend of mine. He's got tattoos all over his face.

42:58 You just see the human. Oh, my, one of my childhood heroes, And Lars Fredricksen from Rancid says skunks on his forehead. But back then I remember thinking like, Right, yeah. and nose rings and stuff. of what you feel on the inside put to the outside. I like art on my walls. He just had a birthday. There's thousands of them. Adrenaline. Right? or somebody's hands, my grandfather's hands,

46:10 that are like, aversive, getaway quick. It's like a reflex. and things and vibrations in the water. And so it's a reflex for safety. straight to the piriform cortex and then to a motor circuit. versus as opposed to aversive behaviors, That's all true. Like, you know, I've been here before, And you need to divide things Now there's a matter of degrees,

48:47 and you're like, I'm getting the hell out of here. I'm like 20 times his size. Right. Sorry for the dual naming. and it's released from a area in the brain bam, straight to the amygdala. in brain and body that allows you to do what more easily? Like a, you know, like a gunshot went off. and how much it hurts later? The liver when you get hit like right here if you get kicked or punched right here, it's a crazy feeling.

51:37 And then it hits slowly. and then everything just shuts off. It's very, it's very hard to fake and that you're fine and move away. Alexander Volkanovsky. He hit him with a left kick to the body because in Taekwondo we used to call it hips and the craziest question mark kick. of his hips. Watch this. Look at this. Well that's just a regular one, but he's got some

54:35 Oh yeah. well there's Israel Adesanya, it would go over the top and down. I saw a Mayweather fight and it was obviously on pay-per-view Because I mean, like slipping at that distance tape and they download it from that but then you don't really know until you're Does he try to fire from where he's at or does he skip forward and fire? See how straight he threw that?

57:29 where the people don't exactly know how they do it, knew I was going to do it. as his momentum is going this way. of pattern recognition, it's interesting That's the unconscious part of the unconscious genius thing I'm just making- Okay, so you do drills and you do drills constantly. he grew up as a child around some of the best boxers in the world and so he was constantly

1:00:08 Ilya Toporya is one of the absolute best fighters in the world. And when you watch how he hits the pads, and Mayweather is a great example of that as well. of all time watch him hit the punches leaders see how he's moving his head when and do it that fast and you can't counter-attack one of the best things about Floyd and one of the he's the best boxer that's ever lived.

1:02:56 Yeah, for a lot of reasons, right? And the referee said Floyd Mayweather hit him behind the head. I mean, also it's Floyd Mayweather. He's like, what the fuck were you talking about? That's the punch right there. He's a hundred percent correct that referee made a giant stupid error. He's like get out of here. Get out of here It's just a perfect right hook.

1:05:16 So he got rid of the guy in the middle of the fight, but he's still doing these bouts And one of the reasons why people watch him fight is not because he's like Mike Tyson just goes out and destroys people that's covered in diamonds, it's like fucking $5 million. I've seen doesn't already running in the middle of the night And now he just has these demonstration fights

1:07:42 So he's like- who was a neurosurgeon, there were only three subjects, Which is why Twitter is so popular. You know, just a friend, like, that's awesome, way to go. heart, give you a little love, and then move on about my day. And you were saying that you had another urge And then I noticed there's kind of a hunger for it. but a little valuable science tidbit,

1:10:13 and they are cousins. Yeah, it's all about the journey. And so I wouldn't be surprised if there was a little bit Like I like upstates as they call them. There's some, you know, there was a chart out on Twitter. where's the double blind placebo controlled study Well, we did double-blind placebo-controlled studies But theanine is also really effective for that too.

1:12:16 which is a precursor to dopamine. Both. And you know what I would really like to take it? there's a weird thing about being on the highway. Get a rag, like a washcloth and some ice and some water This is a great one. We're going to the sauna, everyone says, Cool down my core temperature and that puts you to sleep. And when you get in the cold, And waking up in the morning is largely the consequence

1:14:53 about how warm I'm keeping my ice bath, My wife doesn't want, I've got a new one that I got from Morosco. When you're sitting in the cold plunge, Cause it's not like you're making yourself, If I count slowly to 10 two times, It's a little cheating. I'll send it to you. Well, here's what it is. So that's why I do it as cold as it can get provided it doesn't kill you, to a longer life.

1:17:39 but there are a lot of brain areas. A colleague of mine at Stanford, Joe Parvizzi, mid cingulate cortex report? in people who are successful dieters, it grows larger. Now, here's where it gets even more interesting. in these people, meaning they're holding on So when we hear, oh, you know, If you really don't want to do something and you do it, but you push yourself to do something

1:20:10 And it speaks to much of what you've talked about great, but you should probably also do something and go forward. Right, and movement itself, like physical movement Are you any good? Sorry, these are just my personal- I was just posting pictures of the retina. And yeah. They're just for fun. like a brain or a set of cells, but I don't want too little detail either.

1:22:51 But when you're trying to teach. Well, I wanted to be a comic book illustrator Because there's certain people that like and his parents are like dancers and performers, right? Yeah. And he goes, my mom's a ballerina I mean, Jimmy, for those that are in the know, because he's got that hip looseness Yeah, he's big on the nicotine. raises blood pressure.

1:25:32 Jesus, Louisa's. I know I want to be in control. or if it was difficult to acquire or illegal, I probably would quit coffee I look forward to it. You know, I mean, I've had times in my life Not all of them, Whitney doesn't drink. He doesn't mean that. I see. Come on, Burt. Like, get with it. Did you get fat again? Well, just send me a picture the other day. He's all skinny

1:28:02 Can you bring a kettle bell or something? They do that too, but he gets drunk every night. Everybody loves a young drunk, Like Hunter S. Thompson when he was before he died. of doing something I didn't want to do. Who fucking needs that pressure? It was so good. I watched the first one with my girlfriend. We want to do it fucking live. That's, who fucking needs that pressure?

1:29:18 Isn't that crazy? I will say it felt very cathartic to me. about a bit about taking things out of context. And I was like, went back and I was like, And it's usually people that their life is a mess. There's no one who does They took a clip of me talking about Tulsi Gabbard that they got taken off the internet, thank goodness. took it completely out of context

1:31:52 and made it seem like I was praising Kamala Harris I was just saying things about her and they put it out there as a clip of me praising then you just start repeating he's a liar. It doesn't have to be real. And so all they being taken out of context. and you get to state your conclusions. The amyloid plaques thing with Alzheimer's. that go there feel like they need

1:34:15 Lab heads are responsible for everything in their lab. who had like 20 papers in science and nature in two years. because it's like he was so lazy, ambitious, So he was particularly, he was particularly ambitious, but it's hard, science is hard. to create a story, which is fiction. Oh yeah, I've seen some of you- Are you joking? You're a science denier. What? Here it is pink trip so it's visible what no space is real

1:37:01 You could get your ass kicked. Are you threatening me? Yeah, I Do you want to die? Watch. It was to promote Kamala Harris to to get the passive listener, the people that are, that Robert F. Kennedy is now with Trump. It's a real offense. take someone to court I guess. But's, it's a real bad thing. The reason I gave the counter example of science will come to understand that this is the way

1:40:29 printed they believe and it's very difficult to get them to consider like This is my tribe. These are my people and you don't want to do, that bitch has shriveled up for sure. What's the newest? my dad and I, over the years, like, But they talked to my dad, okay? It was- He was like, I'm shocked. I can't speak for him, They were encouraged to just try to take someone down.

1:43:50 And my team manager was interviewed. I need to get out of this place, et cetera, et cetera. They were interested in pulling out certain language. You know, like the goal is to collect a bunch of data. Like many, like many. Look at Ozempic, right? But we learned one thing for sure We'd have a discussion about seed oils and I like cooking beef and beef fat.

1:46:06 I think I will conclude that. that says seed oils are bad. We're hearing about all that. There's this one peptide, glucagon-like peptide one, try and eat correctly and exercise. by replacing your behaviors. and stay in great shape your whole life is yes, exercise, eat right, et cetera, but, you can get injured easily. I would say one of the best ways to get and stay in great shape your whole life

1:47:58 without at 10 out of 10. So, you know, I think there are a lot of themes here, Because I think that the basics, sunlight, exercise, two or three times a week and mental health is striking. And I know you've talked about this recently, like in the cases recently where the FDA decided plus some people just go into total remission, What is the hazard of the participant

1:50:32 about improprieties between practitioners and patients. Like are they in a quote unquote truly safe space? there's an anesthesiologist there and multiple nurses it can be for certain people under the right conditions. in our department of psychiatry, raises dopamine dramatically, opens neuroplasticity You hear methamphetamine, you hear ecstasy. that's a specific thing in science, use cases where,

1:53:10 I put out a solo episode about cannabis years ago. He didn't like a bunch of things I said, And he said, there's no evidence Here's the paper. There were some issues about CBD biology versus THC. Yeah, he's from Canada. Right. that's leading to all these problems. however, when people take it by edible, I used to do a joke about it that lets you talk to dolphins.

1:56:01 He said, no, no, no, no, listen, there's some issues here. or nothing. Talk to vegans, talk to carnivores, talk to omnivores, and what the disagreements are and move forward. And I think direct experience is real. you know, like all the people that are like really but Chris Williams and Lex, Like there's a kind of merging of those things. about his workouts and he's a physician, he's an MD.

1:58:34 because it comforts their own thoughts is doing difficult things on a regular basis and confronting their own hesitations, their body that you have you've let decay to this terrible point where your posture's And when you ask them to think on the spot, You just can't just work out. He carried an iron umbrella to work. Just a beast of a guy who was also a neurologist

2:01:17 and then was doing other stuff. of the visual system and neuroplasticity. This is not just a correlation. I mean, just to kind of weave these two things, They don't create plasticity on their own. I probably will take another one. And now to the right. Makes your eyes water a little bit, Yeah, this is tears, just sort of chemicals like the sinuses run from here and through to the,

2:03:50 But when you're a kid, you rewire in response is we know comes, it does many things in the brain and body, and provide focus. But as our, you know, your former guest or when they feel like it's not working anymore, so that your body's completely desensitized to it, It's not benign and certainly not to everybody. It doesn't happen to me, but I also know that it's real

2:06:28 They can get triggered by high doses of cannabis for sure. No question. So no people that's happened to yeah And I thought his stance was very, very nuanced. with people with differing opinions, right? You want that. that cannabis was just about to be approved you're going to see media outlets say, probably should be doing other healthy behaviors anyway.

2:08:24 But, and I haven't had a drink in years, Everyone knows sleep is important. has become the way that health information has split. because I'm new to the media thing, Well, there's also people that write articles is people stopped buying newspapers. some secret information that wasn't available before. I discovered a bunch of lies in somebody's life.

2:10:35 Back to nature, that's the only truth. He loves that shit. He does the sunlight. to the best of our abilities. And this is what I believe. So your opinions nonsense, whatever you say is horseshit And that's what it is. Started recognizing patterns in podcasts like what don't I like when people are Yeah, well yeah, yeah, and they get in this fucking frenzy where they can't even communicate

2:13:44 So I so I've't want to say that. And you see people do that all the time. And that's why the media's gonna make themselves obsolete, Who knows? You say, well, what did you think? Like you just like attributing all these negative things to a person and then you can work things out You could talk about things and you get if the long as the person's not bullshitting you as soon as you got people in your life

2:15:51 Well, I would never fucking do that. I had to figure that out long time ago. I would have done it that way We knew who was better at certain things than others. that are way smarter than me, you included. Yeah. And I couldn't get in touch with it. But I realize, I'm like, this is great. Like, this is bad, this is good, I'm learning from this, It's sort of like being an explorer,

2:18:01 You just want to know what's real. You're about- And I was embarrassed that I had that feeling. Everyone just goes, oh, like that sucks. Because if you're happy for them, presumably you like them. I didn't do a lot of competitive sports. I mean, I went from all my puberty years competing. You know, I would say about MMA that it's high level problem

2:20:27 this is a person who's dedicated their life to kicking people into the shadow realm and I didn't have any real, like an adult type stress, It's there to map according to your experience. And then you're thinking and your notions about boys then you throw hormones into the mix. I think we've talked about before. You know what happens? Wow. But we come into this world hardwired with the capacity

2:23:20 versus square corners, whatever it is. Floyd Mayweather started boxing when he was a little kid. No matter how good you are, there's certain guys like Anderson Silva or there's certain fighters And it's just gonna just barely touch his chin. but if we look back to the things that really delighted us and probably some, you know, nurture stuff as well.

2:25:14 I ran into a guy named Cole Hawker. at this year's Paris Olympics, it's amazing. that these other guys have. which is a real pleasure. All right. But he's man with a capital M-A-N. So check this out. Wow. I'll just skip back. Right, so he wants, he knows he's got a great kick. Exactly. He actually touches Inger Britson. How about I come out? So afterwards there's a bunch of posting on Instagram.

2:28:28 That's crazy. I'll tell you, you can also walk and talk and eat So you can't go to school for this. Like if somebody has an interest in science, I was skateboarding, right? But now the little kids, literally little kids, And there's just way more people feeding the pool So it's a lot of what you were saying, Broke the world record. you have guys who have a championship mentality.

2:31:23 I'm like you're never going find out if the going gets tough. for no reason whatsoever. like so left kick dominant like most of his game is his left kick but it's so in your mind, this is Talentshai. Oh, it's just good. So if you're a guy and you're some badass Navy SEAL dude I'm willing to wage my entire career on this. That's the, there's a thing about a guy

2:34:27 that everybody who fights him doesn't understand it's supposed to get there. Watch this dude's left hook. but it's all left hook. He's got one of the, I'm sure there's some of those online, but it's all left hook. So you don't know that he can like look at that my goodness. He's a fadeaway left hook Respect that- I know that there've been conversations

2:36:42 who grew up throwing left hooks, If we were to look at their brains and you go, that left hook, which is just a different way of saying a different person, they're able to see that difference is impressed as is the other stuff we were just watching, They're roughly the same species, right? I've never been to, I've been to Louisville once, Was there a great program there?

2:39:04 Yeah. Yeah. There you go. There's something about people from Kentucky are doing very well quote unquote country. Well, wasn't Muhammad Ali from Louisville? Yeah. It's actually neuroanatomy. But it's just- you know, but for years I just traveled the country, But not those cities. Yeah, great horses. A stud horse is worth millions of dollars, right?

2:40:43 uncle's a great boxer, boxing's in the family, like there's this kid, you know, Guy Mariano, Developed it. Tony Hawk grew up skateboarding. I just keep thinking about all the time, but forgive me. and I finally got it. He can feel that thing, and he encourages them and did all the things he did for music. whenever you're creating something, And this is, all right.

2:43:21 a hundred rock and roll songs by Andrew Hickey. So we would do that, and then we would just like sit around. and your mind is really active, amazing ideas come forward. He'll probably win a Nobel Prize. a number of scientists have talked about this, We have sleep atonia. and for the regulating depression and things like that. so I've started trying to do a sort of meditation

2:45:37 I love punk rock music, grew up on it. in an early field, let's say of music, Or you watch Rick and I at night, And usually what ends up happening is then when I was visiting Rick is I was like, you know, trying to figure out what these structures did and be like, I'm going to start the Kuberman Lab podcast. or Whitney Cummings is just being Whitney Cummings.

2:47:52 Now there is sometimes useful information guys that paved the way, is that it's a real thing. It's like got an angle. of everybody else in terms of the amount which like your loves, the things that bother you. Like, why was he so amazing? If people haven't seen it, of fame and people becoming famous for being themselves. And then feel that and encourage somebody

2:50:26 You, curious, adventure, whatever makes Andrew Andrew. you become that, it stays real. And people love that. It's not manufactured. Yeah. where everything he said, He just, you know, like- Like a Ryan Garcia left hook. He needs it. Maybe, maybe. Like there's a great quote in the Oliver Sacks book. And I didn't know much about him. in interest sets around like the, you know,

2:53:45 And that's why I think so many people loved him for different cultures and and your own perspective, because you see things through others' eyes and how they is through voluntary adversity, So regular uncomfortable, it's like, yeah, whatever. Oh, somebody took my clip and took it out of context. Cardio is one of the very best things I don't know if I'm going to make it to the end of that fucking pool. And when you do laps to the pool where you're like I don't know if I'm gonna make it to the end of that fucking pool and when you do get out of that

2:57:20 sets of four I don't have any relationship to them, And if I load from the back, like a Ruck, I feel pitched forward. So I like how smooth goes military vest. It doesn't feel right to me. And if I load from the back like a rock, do that eight times. who then get really into running maybe even builds energy into the nervous system, Now that is not a knock against weightlifting.

2:59:09 So it takes over your mind, your body. I did a 5K once, my friend, well, Cam Haines, you know Cam. Yeah, he's a sicko. He sent me some meat, which I'm very grateful for. but he's running. And I wake up and this literally, we did a post about it, So he's a wild man. for like six weeks or something. He needs to mend that thing. So it's flat. So bone on bone,

3:02:03 or a Navy SEAL, et cetera, In his 20s, right. So he was running on his hands on the treadmill. Because the problem is that will, that mind, that power You know, I mean- You mean titanium of skull, you replace it with titanium. It's a lot stronger, you know, I mean. for a few more years, it can help repair things. but my wish is that things like BBC 157,

3:04:13 and it can be, but let's face it, BBC 157 can be made by virtually any laboratory really set up not Like half of the people or more saying Chops wood, he's up in Canada. out of McGill's big three. And the moment that somebody comes out with knowledge And he's very open-minded. He's very holistic for lack of a better word. Like there is no replacement for self-care.

3:07:02 it's always a fascinating conversation with you. I really appreciate you. I'm sniff smelling salt all of it. You know, I might be wrong about the cold. I don't know