Joe Rogan Experience #2215 — Graham Hancock Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Fantastic information. Were some key points that you had discussed one of them being the amount of shipwrecks. Yeah that were discovered all and that these ships that are 6,000 years old, there's nothing left of the actual boat itself. The only thing that's level, lowest sea level during the Ice Age. Cyprus was always an island. And yet, there's

3:01 they would have had to cross about 90 kilometers of open water and in large numbers. And again, no ships have been found to testify to that, yet Now, if we have that evidence and that information your whole video, but it was about seeds. I asked the question, there's a very distinct, noticeable difference between domestic want the seeds to be more robust. So there's these

5:21 What they brought with them was the knowledge that crops can be domesticated. And it's precisely during the Younger Dryas that we see that shift from Gambling problem, call 1-866-531-2600 that we have a very arrogant, very controlling discipline in archaeology which has established It's not providing a nurturing, satisfying resolution to many of the problems that come from the past. And that's what

8:05 Well it's also, one of the things that's fascinating is just even with conventional archaeology otherworldly place. And Alamogordo is sitting right in the middle of that. This They wouldn't have left the footprints. a few of them, there's thousands of them. There's thousands of them and what's amazing when you and then human footprints overlaying those.

10:22 reluctant to accept a much older peopling of the Americas long before 13,000 years ago. in San Diego. were in Europe. Well what I was going to ask is, as they're digging deeper and deeper and they're finding They were found by indigenous local people and sometimes the footprints will be covered up this thing existed on this the DNA evidence of a direct connection between the peoples of New Guinea and

14:16 When he put that idea forward, he was eviscerated by his colleagues in archeology. Unfortunately, that's just the thing when people are supposed experts in a subject and for the past, and they use that power to slap down any point of view that doesn't agree be considered by the general public and that's their possibility. And it reminds which most of them did, you see the same patterns.

17:08 That's the other thing I noticed, which was the sneering attitude towards me. They talk to agree with you? You see it in science. you see it in martial arts. You see it in science of the past that are offered that don't agree with theirs. And this is of power and prestige. No, it's not possible to and as we develop more Alceu years ago was the first person who noticed that there are these huge geometrical structures

20:59 Up till now have luck we largely know about them because of these tragic clearances That's amazing. Yeah it's raises the question how much more is there in the Amazon to find, especially which even the That's an interesting thing too. We've talked about that before, but for people who have never heard those other podcasts, What was the other one? And there's the other thing that you've discussed in depth, the terra-praeta.

24:01 this. They're still doing it, mixing all kind of refuse it's not enough. which they turned into an interesting film. But the book details these records of these in some ways. If you went back 200 years ago, there'd probably be nothing left of them. And they traveled 4,000 miles across South America precisely the reason that you give which is that the jungle had eaten those

27:15 hundred years by diseases. Yeah it's an early example of a biological weapon. Devaka's story about visiting the Maya civilization and you realize like that was you guys fucking years. And the Tlaxcalans looked at Cortes and they said, we can use this guy. And so they joined Don't say white supremacism. Not at all. How would that be racist if these were the most advanced seafaring people alive 6,000

29:51 for Jews. Like I thought it I thought what he was doing was avoiding there's there's words is that you can bypass algorithms that selectively remove yeah from what I understand that those use of brackets is just to trick the Yeah. But at the very least, those were people in Africa. I'm leaning towards ever too, because look, can we think of any other civilization that

32:41 it's a perfect analogy. Cleopatra lived closer to the 80 plus ton stones 500 miles down from the mountains with no equipment, no heavy a hundred or more visits to the Great Pyramid and being inside it and spending the night in it and And even go back to the to the end of the third dynasty, the pyramid of Zosa, in any of the great pyramids, which is huge numbers of hieroglyphs and accounts of the

35:42 nothing else is bust. That is not a satisfactory weighing hundreds of tons and cut out of the hardest possible rock, precisely engineered. some kind of power plant. ancient Egypt, I remember the first time I was drawn to this mystery, which was- is bananas. the Cairo Museum out to a big museum at Giza and some of it's in transition, but they have thousands of these things.

39:24 Flanges that come across it's like a describe but it's got a series of three flanges that come across. That? When I first saw that in the Cairo Museum, it's cut from schist, you know, Yeah. It's difficult to see what function it could have. itself. So they're dating it from context. What they're saying is that it was found in What is the mysterious Egyptian disk?

42:12 beer, that seems weird. And it's a lot of work to make beer. You could do Yeah. How are the measurements of that? that we're looking at the traces of a lost technology. I'm sure it is handmade. be precise because whatever it did, it probably just had a spin. Yeah, it might have been remade off of the original maybe click on that. I would say that's a remake. Is it?

45:05 But we're looking at a few different versions of it. Yeah Four thousand Wheels 1500 BC basically But the one of the things about wheel is you have to ask yourself in what? chamber? It's so nuts. priorities, different ways of looking at things. But one of the things that the ancient Egyptians had, which I'm not aware that any other civilization Nat. Pretty amazing.

48:41 why it's so special, when we look at our civilization today, And it becomes a very materialistic society, What happens to us when we die? They investigated that mystery more deeply than any other culture that I know of encountering is found about what happens to us after death. that we avoid in the world today is taking responsibility for our own lives.

51:51 at the beginning as it is at the end. Death is not the end. This is the conclusion of local or are we tuning into consciousness and when you die where's the pain that we may have caused, or for the pain that we may have caused, or for words. And that question is, what did you do with the gift we gave you? We gave you the gift of a human life. We gave you the gift of the opportunity to love or

54:26 judgment scene. He's a creature, part hyena, part lion, and he sits there, and certain makes sense that that would happen with the soul as well. All of these things are the hallmarks of a very sophisticated, very advanced civilization. Because to perform something like that you need incredible tools of measurement. have this mysterious background to we human beings.

56:52 who were also human beings. Certainly they were human, the same species as us, because It was bountiful. This vast area, I'm often accused of creating what they call a God of the gaps argument. That was the place to be, just as it is today, tries to dismiss the notion that most of it hasn't been really excavated, but it really And and it's had relatively little attention. We do know there's some amazing

1:00:30 looked for and what they've not looked for, what they've found and what they've not found. It's a universal story of a massive cataclysm with a few survivors who bring their knowledge me at all. The fact that this is found all around the world, to me, is a memory of something I would not like to say one way or the other because I've not been there.

1:02:35 The honest answer to that question is I don't know. I'm open-minded on the Rishat structure. Troy, yeah. like that. And then at the end of the day, to say, to twist what I said, that in what archaeologists have studied, there's no evidence place. And you'll find that that argument is not based on what archaeologists have studied. Again, I will withhold judgment until I have my boots on the ground there and have a look

1:05:34 where other things like that are found. deeper under the ground, they think it does, they think it goes as deep. about anything before I've studied it. And I do intend to go to Sagewall. I was yesterday with with Michael Collins who's the guy who's done a lot of the Right, or even earlier. first of all, there was a conviction that the indigenous inhabitants had only been here

1:08:05 Cahokia, which is one of the great mounds that still survive, because like this on Netflix where millions of people are going to see it, deny people the, just It's a fascinating phenomenon. I do see it as an extension of our Now someone's going to know your exact DNA. And that's where the Spanish Armada washed up. teenager. one thing I'm pretty sure that quote unquote

1:11:54 We don't need a comet impact. one point. Brilliant guy. Yeah, we could be gone in 20 years. Yeah, I'd love to take you on a trip to Egypt. I want to go come to apologize for those. for Zahi to confront me on every point as we go through Egypt. Whatever one says about same civilization, but older than you think it is. Yeah, the pushing it back somehow or another. And they'll even say it's racist.

1:15:45 we look at that, we think, we'd like a bit of that too. Teach me how to do it. And this as we would do today, took refuge amongst people who'd made it through the disaster it through a hurricane. I find it difficult to see how we could make it through another that hatred to serve their own interests and it's very dangerous. If Yes. because excavation is destruction.

1:19:21 them now. And so I think the speculation is 100 years in the future, archaeologists may have technologies them, all under the ground, waiting to be excavated. And the decision appears to have Please do. Jump right in. for Danny, he'd appeared on my show. and that led archaeologists to dive in on him explanation for the cataclysms at the end of the ice age. A lot of people are just focused

1:22:37 that some of the area around Gobekli Tepe was older still, and they decided just the finding that the same iconography, the same building techniques, not quite on the scale this kind of iconography and the structures, these circular structures, semi-subterranean We need to recognize that is the size and scale of gobeckli tepe unique in comparison to the ones that are around it

1:25:32 the outcome of contact with an earlier largely lost civilization. I think it passed on its S-A-Y-B-U-R-K in Turkey, the man between two felines. and you can find it in the Indus Valley civilization Yeah, there we are. That's Harappa. That's from the Indus Valley civilization. I am. hands are placed it's kind of similar to the way the Easter Island hands are

1:28:52 this thing. There it is. So then the Indus Valley again. Right. And then the next one is from Tiwanako in Bolivia. Bolivia. What do you think he's got in his hands? Well it looks like two felines that he's holding apart. know? What is that spiral in the center of his body? immediately after Gobekli Tepe, around the time of Gobekli Tepe. And we're seeing it

1:31:42 finding thousands of Mayan ruins that nobody is incredibly important. It's why I chose to focus season two of Ancient Apocalypse How much of the Amazon has been explored with LIDAR? allied our survey of the whole of the Amazon. That's what I'd like to see and I think it was in Ecuador or Colombia. If we could find it was a real place? Yeah by problems from the past, are so likely to get slapped down and face this abusive power grab

1:36:11 Of course not. The interesting thing though is... out lie to try to dismiss these things. It was most unfortunate. I think he let archaeology down very badly Well, that's the beautiful thing about the internet. There's a lot of people out there make up their own mind on something. which include myths, must be avoided. all around the world means rather than just saying, oh, it's a coincidence.

1:39:38 We discussed that during the debate. I have a real problem with that because that is patronizing destruction of the real history of people in America with how they forced Native Americans and they created a fiction, and then they made the indigenous people believe that fiction. While accepting Yeah. It's about that. That's about what it comes to. pushes back the date of humans in specific areas. I mean look at the

1:42:12 Oh, I know what I wanted to bring up to you today because I saw this online. Well, that's another branch of the human chain that That's what this one is? anecdotal stories right? Because there have been multiple stories that people they told me what they told me is a non sapiens hominid has survived on flora's I mean, yeah I've never had sponsorship.

1:45:50 Yeah, but your whole life's a vacation exactly. That's why I don't see I'm 74 years old now I don't see myself retiring the idea of retirement is just out of the question you try to retire. I'll go find you That's what brought me into this field. Before that I wrote all about current affairs. different from the Ethiopian national epic, which in the province of Tigray in northern Ethiopia. It's a massively interesting place. Aksum

1:48:17 an armed camp that is protecting what they believe to be the Ark of the Covenant, but And they all had these cataracts over their eyes and they all blamed the object in that I mean, if we really find out the Ark of the Covenant was an actual object. this stuff. It shoots out jets of fire and kills completely innocent people. It Well, we know that I believe Ethiopia has a very strong claim to it, but that's all

1:50:53 to be contained just as one small area. And they all blame the ark. Gold. Yeah. Yeah. That one to me is so crazy that someone is keeping that information from the rest of the humans. a former civilization. And again, it's one of the reasons why I've done the work I've archaeologist from Easter Island. We spent quite a bit of time filming in Easter Island

1:54:12 are 3,000 years old. Now, this is interesting for two reasons. Firstly, bananas do not propagate what is special to him about the geoglyphs, about how this is a sacred place to his tribe, and Well, 3,000 years ago, you're still within the period of the Polynesian expansion. indigenous traditions. We had an amazing Easter Island elder who told us the tradition of the lost

1:57:09 happen? How come this tiny island, which only ever had a population of a few thousand, did to remember the tragic history of Easter Island. with the script on it. And to me, that is a sign again that there's something wrong or decipher rather, a bunch of different things that we currently can't really oh wow How do they know that? instructions on how to navigate, information about the stars,

2:00:26 relationship to later languages which were known. Cuneiform is a writing system you find Well, there isn't a Rosetta Stone for the Easter Island script or for the Indus Valley are just a tiny part of it. deposition of sediment. It's the deposition of sediment. And this is not as a result of being exposed by erosion. that? Well, this is where I'd like to defer to the work of Dr. Robert Shock, who's a brilliant

2:03:35 Is Robert Shock declining because of the criticism that he received about the temple of the Sphinx? get into this. But I don't know, somewhere between 2013 we were still good friends. We Maybe I did something that offended him. He and I disagree over the cause of the Younger Dryas Cataclysm. Robert Schock believes that it was a massive solar outburst that brought

2:05:31 What we both agree on is that the Younger Dryas, between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago, side is is that there's a lot of infighting in the alternative side and everybody's scrambling for their I'm not sure. Has anybody speculated about how much time it would take to cover those Easter Island Remember, it's a small island. Like, why did they do that? to an ancient geodetic survey of the Earth, that there were certain anchor points that

2:08:26 earth around the world were fixed points on the earth where longitude connections were In the past, it was Thuban. find in mythology and traditions all around the world. And there's very solid scholarly By what method could they make those calculations that there's wobbles on Exaxis every 26,000 hundred years. 72 years is one human lifetime. In that 72 years, the

2:11:32 who follows astrology will know, Egypt at that time. Before that it was the age of Taurus, constellation of Taurus housing the sun. All of this is a process that unfolds at the rate very difficult to see the stars. Right, because we don't have access to it, Oh yeah, very much so. I was in the observatory in the Big Island, Hawaii. but one time we caught it perfectly

2:14:28 it's one of the saddest things about our culture. if you get to go camping on a night years ago because the ancients were living with those skies for thousands and thousands There's this incredible figure of Taurus in the Hall of Bulls at Lascaux Cave in France, Mesopotamians and the Greeks. I mean, it's weird to think this. right. It's forgetting that we're part of the cosmos, or regarding the cosmos as something that

2:17:48 but part of me wonders if there is some sort of an impact that, look, we know that the Because people studied that shit for a long time. where we feel connected to the universe. We understand that we're affected by the climate And we have a big focus on the Maya in season two of Ancient Apocalypse. of the construction and the correlation between star systems?

2:20:44 the rising or the setting of the sun on the summer or the winter solstice. That cannot be denied. belt. And then when we work precession into the equation, we find that they're not laid Then the Sphinx is another one of those, right? I recommend that to everybody, that Magical Egypt, the two DVD series. Yeah, they had they're amazing That's the really important matter that Robert Schock has brought to the table, which no

2:23:45 result of heavy rainfall, exposure to heavy rainfall for thousands of years. And you have for a much older Sphinx. That's right. And I love your show. I love you. You're always fun to talk to. Can I say a couple of things about the show? Sure, please. Yeah 19th and 20th of April 2025 and it's going to be called the fight for the past years ago but has the power of a god and cannot be killed. And back I think in at least two

2:26:36 So when we were doing season two, And I'm enormously grateful to him for doing that. and decency and care and love towards others and I feel privileged to have had the opportunity There he is. My pleasure.