Joe Rogan Experience #2220 — Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. oh you're being a diva. But she had an opportunity to come here when she was in Well, she actually reached out when she found out that he was coming on so their camp reached out to me like a human being. I am not a politically homeless person, for sure. It overpowers everything. including the FDA deeply influenced the big pharma, including the FDA, deeply influenced.

3:42 You know, we lived in San Francisco during the Vietnam War. media and these collective groups of people that all had the same ideology We're gonna, we're not gonna listen to what you know what the party's in charge may be saying. what I fell in love with at one point in my life no longer existed. It's very important because too many people can decide what you can and can't say.

6:16 Like where's the call? It's not intended to be. And still supposedly the respected arbiters of truth and morality in our society. Enormous business not small business business like Google and Facebook and Apple and these are huge a device they carry around with them that has unbelievable amounts of power. That device There was no counter to that. It was just one side and

9:21 They love to kick ass. Beachballs that we could chuck around so people like get distracted and throw them back and forth at each other applied to the way we're supposed to like co-exist five seconds mainstream media, for positions of leadership will be a different type of person who is going to be selected for positions of leadership If this format takes over that will change and I don't know it might just be a small blip on the road down to oblivion,

12:04 And I love what he's trying to do with health They have schedule one two and three depending upon if there's any They go over there when they're 19 years old You have to sort through seeing your friends die, thinks that somehow or another that is bad, be doing that. But for everybody else, there should be a conversation where we figure out If you have it, you go to jail.

15:25 and marijuana is something that gets you locked in a cage. we raise your taxes, you got to pay them, fuck you, you're going to jail. But the fucking a neuropharmacologist, and he's in charge of the hallucinogenic trials in Imperial College 50 rate oh so you're not your mics on brother Joe sorry sorry pass the lighter It says there's no potential for dying.

18:33 to my house a couple of years ago and I did a psilocybin trip, and the results of it were dark? Because we have both of those fundamentally contained within our soul. like this can be navigated. This life can be navigated better. And one of the best ways of energy, you know, we don't like that kind of energy. We don't like that kind of energy and I think

21:03 sense. But I was essentially saying it the same way I'm saying it here. And I think that personal attack stuff is what bothers people. I mean night. Yeah, when did I start I started started in 97 That was the first time I worked for the UFC like come on. That's a crazy thing to say or how about I hate Taylor Swift He sat here for three fucking hours, man.

23:01 He's got a lot of energy. He fucking will do hold a press conference and it's wild It's like so who lets him get to the mic is there no he's still the president. But meanwhile I just hands off like Jesus is this work You're trying to get this other job. This is nuts. Quit the fucking job! you remember like in the 90s where you rabbit hole. And they were right.

26:55 Don't ever do comedy at a place that's doing also. So- No. like, oh, but it's a funny joke. You know who winds people up we you know, we've wound people up on our time guys are winders That was a that's like a doll. Yeah, you know this is a movie. No one died everyone's fine It's a storm about a joke at a rally and actually everybody's focusing on that

30:28 Tony is actually obsessed with the Pacific garbage patch. And so they have landfills. Their landfills are way over capacity. And you say it and everybody laughs. people like well it wasn't funny. Right because it was it was a terrible setup like, he was in this category of ultra famous comedian, right? and you immediately go into stand up comedy mode.

33:01 they want whores and cocaine. everyone feel good and like you know who could do it and just talk about he got cancelled in the past, he came back way stronger as a comic because he felt like they do. 80s, then roller out! These comparisons are just, they're illegitimate But if you say that guy's a Nazi, Like something like that. Germany is for Germans, right cuz you know has a different vibe to it

37:11 It's interesting what people admit to and what they won't admit to, what they won't Listen to how he says it. We are the the actual melting pot. ordinary person than this country. Well we love an immigrant success story. It's all Poppy syndrome we call it. Yeah. Yeah. Well look, Francis was born in the UK. Your tabloids are brutal. left and they wound up losing money lots of countries done it doesn't work

40:11 What we're seeing in the UK, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure Constance has his year. But he said it's like you should go there and do American Stand Up because they're basically you go back and like even in like left wing magazines and like remember when Gore Vidal And otherwise, they would have never done this. And so they just decided to like, let's just take a chance.

42:43 the movie like it's it's like a perverted bizarre twisted movie sounds is not. The picture was controversial for sexual They've already said in interviews. It's like it's too controversial song and then I saw the lyrics like I had only heard the song with Keith Richards where they were like, where the person said to him, and maybe this Brown sugar, how come you taste so good?

46:02 how come you taste so good, baby? It's a banger. We watched one episode. We were like this is You're like, yo, you couldn't make this movie at all today. Do you think this is like outright a bad thing or outright a good thing or do you think it's crazy comedy with TV comedy in the UK, and I remember saying it to comics in a comedy club, people's WhatsApp group is now funnier than TV comedy in the UK and I remember saying it to comics in a comedy club people's

49:06 And they want to use it as if it's a real statement Like everybody has their own thing It's gonna be everyone's gonna be doing podcasts. There's no getting away from what was interesting is You could only get clips. So now it's on X the full and so now it has way more views because I think on Elon's alone 8.6 million on mine, and what's it on on Ewan's?

51:31 Like what's trending for you, Mr. Beast? There's a ton of clips. There's a ton of clips People searching for it. I did it. I wasn't showing up couldn't find I couldn't find it Do you think they might have thought, well, you know, it kind of worked for this, therefore that it dropped off a cliff because people couldn't find it so they just gave up or they

54:02 thing right because it's people that are on the left that are mass reporting something to try to to bring more eyeballs to it. He's got flaws. desperate attempt to redefine who this person is in front of everybody's eyes. Washington Post. Yeah I did. It feels to me like at least though among those guys Yeah, but people don't look at that. trying to get rid of Bernie. Like this is really interesting. Like why would they turn

57:36 to do that. They did it with RFK. Like they would not let him have a primary. They wouldn't right this is the thing I'm genuinely wondering. I think there's an organization. And those are essentially the people that are running the show because she's busy and he's not there We don't even say this because it's so fucking obvious, but you've got to be able to communicate.

59:53 It's about seeing them kind of perform under pressure you're just you're going on your own way just because you want to win okay you've How long has Putin been in charge of Russia? years at most. The bad part about it is every four fucking years we Because he did the job already. He talks to RFK about taking care of healthcare. And you know what I found really interesting looking at the Democrats, if you look back

1:03:11 They appointed their person and then they ended up losing. The polls had her winning, like by a huge margin. They want to keep their jobs. Zero idea. I do not like that the people are suing to make sure that but it's showed that ethnic minorities they're proud of it, and they're like, were struggling like if people made it to the end of the week with food on the table and they paid

1:06:36 So this idea that, oh, you know, immigration is a right-wing issue, it's bullshit. But at this point, it just feels like my wages are getting lower and lower and lower. inspections. they have no rights. They can work for a fraction of the minimum wage, and it's way more money get. They demand fair wages and health insurance and all the things that you should get employees.

1:09:35 Mortified and horrified at the actions of those criminals and what is happening in this country they're handcuffed as to what they can do with these people. Yeah. And he was like, do you hear yourself? that live there. They recognize my name. So they talk to me in Russian the high levels of illegal immigration that undermines people's confidence in the entire system and the worst thing is it doesn't make

1:12:19 How do they isn't that there's a great book about that, right? Well, then the other side's definitely not who you're going to vote for. shipping. Pull that app up again, Jamie. So this app was originally used. So like say if you came to a variety of CBP services. It uses guided questions to help users find the right services, They don't have a good case right because America would let some people in her claim asylum

1:15:18 Americans are not having enough babies. It's a real problem. This is such bullshit though, in a short period of time The coast is weird, you know How much in danger are we because of that? make it front and center of their campaign. Of course they are, because that is politics Those concerns aren't going to go anywhere. Because eventually this is going to turn nasty and I

1:19:14 letting them in without vetting them and you're going to increase the crime and you're going You got to make it up here and go to these people to give you a cell phone like okay Is that the movie where they have those people hold up? Americans are concerned about this if I was was a Democrat, that's what I'd be asking. Here it is, the Roosevelt Hotel.

1:21:21 were at full occupation. City would not say how much it costs to keep the facility Yeah. Well, this is what I was gonna say, chapter in my book about it, they all used to say exactly what Donald Trump is saying now. Yeah. Yeah, they do and especially Barack Obama Right, but you guys did it legally the right way. Really? Yeah, very good point. then you're spending the money where it's supposed to be spent, and then you've got a safe fucking country.

1:24:44 Instead they're bringing up Tony Hinchcliffe's joke. illegally? What's even the estimate? What's the estimated number of crossings? It's the highest Yeah. you know, especially medications. A lot of it was coming from China. And there's a lot that coming across the Rio Grande River with a backpack. We would. Haitians are just like everybody else, man.

1:27:28 you're gonna have good ones and bad ones. What we need is, we need to vet people, And that's not, we, one of the great things about American manufacturing, if you have so then you don't have to feel bad that like, It's a great documentary, but they just pulled out of Michigan where they were making all money, you can feed your kids, you can feed your family. You go. I'm doing my job as a man

1:30:17 here's your benefits nobody wants that. Nobody wants a life that's aimless they built a whole road in China so their AI technology in their drone technology in their automation has We want some protections in place. So you have less mistakes, you know, you completely eliminate human error, you know You're just getting a check from the government and free food.

1:33:02 Disastrous happens like a nuclear war or some sort of a horrific natural disaster that kills the Maybe it could get to that point where Republicans can't win. That could be real. You know, and if you have a populace that is basically just dependent on handouts, and that's great. That's brilliant. But the moment automated driving comes in, that's mechanized things like cars and trucks and trains.

1:35:47 and then you're gonna eventually get chips. You can just be warm you fucking idiot Especially because I read it in high school, I think which was already Yeah, and Stalin. Yeah, and so he writes this book and it just seems ludicrous at the time, but now it's like a prophecy Why are you going to employ an accountant when you've got an AI to do all your books? You just feed it into the algorithm,

1:38:43 really all of ours. They're really like, you guys gotta get your shit together, we're gonna kill you all. You know what humans do a lot of damage to the planet. Yeah, that's the problem with being objective though You must not watch MSNBC because it's a Nazi rally. with a lot of Israeli flags. They do, yeah. I better really make sure this isn't that.

1:40:46 you're going to lose more and more credibility. But here's a thing you you talk about this What do you mean by it? Now it's like, it's not even the top 200. you're being silly and you're ruining your own credibility. You're going to get a bunch of people that agree with you. close down the middle. And one side thinks the other side is the end of our skis. We're out of our fucking minds. We're really like foaming at the mouth

1:44:09 tragic element of it and people don't talk about this tragic element enough. If you think about and he's looking around and he went, Or people get red-pilled, you know, and then they sort of like want to leave their ideological What are you putting signs up on your lawn? whatever you want at Nazis, you know, that was the whole thing back in the day. Remember

1:46:34 You know what? You know you go you're on his set Maybe we need to actually have a conversation. Maybe we need to have, I'd I mean that would be how you'd really like when you see two people on a panel when they're talking about things and one person middle-class family and it's she has this thing that she's Not only do you learn something, but number two,

1:49:18 So it makes your ideas stronger, and you become Yes. Pray upon it in order to jack up their rates. And then, you know, I know guys that have been devastated They both do the same job and the guy makes a dollar and she makes 75 cents that's not how it works he was They don't give a fuck about like all that the DEI shit. That's just how they can make more money

1:51:37 the vast majority only care about fairness. And once that happens, you don't have conversations, you don gonna do and once that happens you don't have conversations It was impossible to get. They would be, they had full control of the narrative. the conservative parties having an election now like whoever wins that I bet that'd be pretty fucking popular, real popular.

1:54:03 hour and a half talking about Or that guy sucking Obama's dick? they're biased and they have every right to. But when people talk about the demise of the You're gonna get people who want to listen to, you know, I was in a gangbang with Obama whatever it was Like that's Attenborough. Like Vice News used to be incredible. And it just became bullshit.

1:56:59 Well, I think the way to do it is the way, Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case when you have 12 different FBI informants and two people Wow, yeah, that's maybe more Wow, you know nuts, you know, it's but but again I come back to it But everyone's got what they think. viewer or the listener than someone just giving out talking points and saying, I agree, because

1:59:26 Or are you just steamrolling them when they question you the message point really applies, is that that is an issue which is difficult to come to a conclusion about certain things. not saying that's the only way these conversations goes, there are a lot of dumb shit. There's Right. Yeah. If like you say, or if you say this point of view, that's racist, you're only going

2:01:54 It's getting pretty heated man. Yeah, I've seen some stuff I mean, I'm sure there was some, but it wasn't like the BLM marches. I think there's a certain amount of that that's real. Yeah, there was some places there was pallets of bricks that were just left in the middle Like what do you think that some people benefit That was a wild, and a lot of the people

2:03:54 Well, the defund the police stuff. Would you ask her about that if she comes on? to some stupid, erroneous idea forever. And it's... So the idea that we're going to get rid of police and all of a sudden all the rapists Like it's not a good idea, Smash destroyed lit things on fire. what is happening? What is happening to society? Because every time someone commits a crime and

2:06:57 Alright, yay. And one of the comedians turned around to me. Yeah, the teacher. If you prosecute it you have to punish people if to punish people They feel unsafe. to. Social media users shared a video burks arrest outside the school september 2nd where he's heard saying I have a right to work here writing breaking Irish police arrest teacher Enoch Burke for not endorsing trans ideology. So was he fired for not that terms of injunction that instructs him to stay away

2:10:18 Because the thing is with kids, kids don't know. That's why there's adult leaders. medical intervention and surgeries, I'm going to call it what it is, Joe. That's child abuse. So that's what it is. for contempt of court. statistics crazy yeah it's like I typed it in it didn't pop up right away so I Ryan! That doesn't mean that if somebody is having gender dysphoria, they have therapy.

2:14:36 a solution. Do you think we've turned the tide? Just like Nazis never really went away. But it's not. version of something. Because it gives them meaning and it's a group you can just join. running around going, repeal the 19th. Lauren Chen and husband's company. Oh that's right. That was the one. Yeah, so what was going on with that? and it creates chaos.

2:17:34 Did you see the thing that happened at the Trump boat rally in Florida where a Nazi boat pulled up and they had like the Labour Party eulogizing Chávez around about 2005 at the same time as he was putting I think it was my yeah, just wasn't tried right? Yeah. Well the reason I And he was pushing Emmanuel to kind of go, Like, why don't those people just draw a line under it

2:20:01 because it's so much of what people are dealing with They're tired of being lectured to. That's crazy. Right. Right? Of course there's left-wing fire, you know what I mean. Yeah, it doesn't work very well, right? We need someone who's a leader who can articulate that that's a part of one of the major parties who can say that and good things that are possible if we all work together, everybody who's not going to listen

2:22:36 Do you really? and people on the right. It's so crazy. And she wrote so you could keep doing terrible things to kids. So this is one of two countries in the world where pharmaceutical drug companies can advertise and that's not good You're so lucky to have that, Joe. And he went probably two to two and a half years. a good thing and it would it would be great if everybody voluntarily stopped

2:26:19 because of the words out of your mouth, they can now put you in a cage. Which I think it is if you're you're doing things like gender identity this. If you look at history, ability to freely express themselves. and rap for whatever reason has gotten a pass Tauron would have been amazing. theater. They found out right after he did the Trump podcast, three hours later, they

2:29:57 He's big enough where it doesn't matter. That's bigger and better and he's gonna it's the special be even bigger. Yeah to harm him, it's just going to... If you understand the publicity effect, what it's for the culture because they send a very, very strong You try to stop me, all you're doing is making me even more powerful. I had him on the podcast.

2:32:42 experiences as an underage man. It's considered different. Like that's what Milo said, like I was the predator. to deplatform people like when they deplatformed Trump and there was a few other people that got deplatformed. it up and says, I'm going to step in and I'm going to make a Wild West Twitter. see some of the more egregious things that people say.

2:35:22 according to, we've talked about this many times, it's competing social media companies, like if there's no laws about this, if things that are bothering you you can't even go there. Yeah and what they did is be make that would make Twitter better because I do hear from a lot of people who are just like I'm glad it's more open now rid of that fucking guy, because now we know it's you.

2:38:06 People say things they don't mean for something that is just, for them, difficult if you're going through a VPN And you can do it on Twitter. And what is it going to be the effects of that? That people have rejected. Like one of them is minor attracted persons pedophiles where the majority fucking hate them, then you go, well, you know, this person can't help who they are,

2:41:27 There's a certain percentage But not by much because a couple of decades ago if you were in a university is still pretty ridiculous And I think that when you look at, that. That can't just be left to its own devices because it's not gonna end well. I mean the most interesting people in the Republican Party right now are people who used to be Democrats, which is fascinating

2:43:47 What's the point? What we need is an oligarchy. We need strong men to come in and sort this out. lot better. Right, I've seen all that on the online. What are we consuming? and less gang members? Right, and when you make excuses of what's causing them to be like that in the first place Well, this is the fear of the big strong man, right? And this is the fear that a lot of people have of Trump

2:47:07 But you know, from my conversation with Trump, I don't think he's the monster Instead of just like addressing the things We know that you've used the legal system to try to arrest this guy. not a terrible person it's just you may or may not agree with his approach you couples. What? See if you can find that. See if you can find that. Really? They're going to put gay people in camps too.

2:49:31 years. And it's interesting from people who keep talking about hate, how much of People said no more. He's not going to be, he's not going to, you know, say, oh, you're with a white guy. to bring the view up as the first thing excuse to give us a copyright strike I wasn't running for president. Oh, he's talking about running for president mentioned it then but I don't know he went on the view multiple times

2:52:16 That's quite a transformation. Well it's like they got their marching orders. He did, he was in the Wrong dude. and you want your country to be great, you want to be successful left or right? Whatever your position is. Do you want to be on the side of the people who think America's? know that they fund these various terrorist organizations this is You put those two things together, is it a surprise?

2:54:53 The average Iranian is going to be happier, healthier, wealthier. to not think that everyone is like them. were better decisions. That's objectively true. Israel is causing you know, there are war crimes happening whatever but you going you can't just let terrorist groups So they get a global Islamic caliphate, which is why so many as human shields. Like, there's no other way to do this than to just bomb where you know

2:58:04 That's a real good question. It is terrible. funded by Iran and sponsored in other ways and they give them weapons? What are That scares the shit out of people. That is not what Hamas are doing. Oh yeah, but they're probably already dead, or if not, they want to be dead. I think it's also from the perspective of people that live in Israel versus the perspective

3:00:47 I was like, why are you guys so happy? that's surrounded by people who hate them. And he talked about this, And if it is, Israel should use it. didn't exist before. Right? So Israel is the bad guy by default. And by the way, that doesn't mean that the God damn it. How are these fuckers? Really? Yes. There's always been a faction of the left that has looked at Jews and seen financiers,

3:04:46 that he was not tackling and dealing with anti-Semitism and that this was allowed to And what kind of intellectual courage to step out on those limbs that he does and say these Super informative. person thing. Yeah. The old people get really scared of diseases. Yeah. Yeah and Your shit doesn't work right anymore, including your brain. Yeah. I can't remember who he fought he fought in London and

3:07:29 punches? He was moving all over the place. Yeah it's so different. It's so different. super talented and technical. They were both trained by Lomachenko's father. They are taught never to back down. You never back down. You always go for it until the very end he was touching Usyk up in the beginning of the fight. breaking Robert Whittaker's jaw just by squeezing across his face. Apparently

3:10:35 Whittaker stands up who knows I mean Chumayev was smothering him Whittaker looked exhausted It says that Robert only landed two strikes Wow, that's crazy. I don't even know what he hit him with and just started beating the fuck out of him. to Whitaker like that a guy who's a world champion like even the Conor fight it took a while before with that guy.

3:12:51 Well, it kind of appears that he is it appears these in terms of like the grappling that he possesses seems I mean he won, but he was close. It was a big step up in competition a little older now, but back then he was really in his prime or close to it. And he's just that he hits you it's different than anybody, especially with his hands. His fucking boxing is so high

3:15:30 That left hook he caught Max with, oh my goodness. Volkanovsky. Yeah. They're gonna have a rematch. I think Volkanovsky taking that he's such a warrior like he doesn't shy away from the most difficult challenges because You're not going to hit as fast. You know if you're just trying to like touch someone never the same after they've been knocked out, particularly a blow like that. Especially twice in a couple of

3:18:18 So maybe there's something they saw that Volkanovsky couldn't capitalize on because he was still dealing with the effects of the KO loss to Makachev, which, you know, you get KO'd like that, a And that's what you really need if you've been knocked out like that. Mm-hmm, and you know because you previously you, the thing that we're in boxing, as we all

3:19:47 division. Benavidez at 168 is a monster. And Canelo is the king. So it's like that would be an amazing fight. If they that UFC is more entertaining because they're the fights that you want to see. Right. You know, like the Beval, better be a fight. like this. And all of a sudden it's made boxing interesting, because lots of people are talking And for people like us who grew up and saw the great fighters of the 80s and the 90s,

3:22:37 Everybody was talking about you know like when Joshua gets Dubois out of the way then we can Yeah, and you really rapidly became apparent that Joshua couldn't match him Ruthless fucking game, man. I've had him on the podcast a couple of times. His story about being a child working in a sand mine the UFC heavyweight champ of the world. But I'm interested in John Jones versus Stipe. Yeah. I'm very, especially if Stipe's healthy. I'm very interested in that.

3:25:26 Come on. Yeah, John Jones is the highest fight IQ of all time next to Mighty Mouse like fuck man Even if they're not doing well, even if they're not fighting Michael Jordan was out of his fucking mind when he was at his best. With John it's a lot of it is he's so much better than everybody else Tell everybody how to see your show.