Joe Rogan Experience #2230 — Evan Hafer Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. You will open my eyes somebody first of all I never understood the extent of the manfuckery in so yeah up in America right you assume everybody every man is basically like an American male because that's at 26 or 27 years old you know that there are cultural It's just not comfortable in any scenario. holding another man's hand and you've never really done it

2:56 where you're going. You're like, oh man, oh man. you know, do everything that they do. Rep after rep in a war zone you kind of get fatigued with that and then you're like, yeah So we're just gonna not do any of that and bypass it. when we shut down Iraq in 2009, I turned around and basically went to Afghanistan in 2009. not only train, assist and advise, build rapport, but you're trying to figure it

6:24 But dude, I I didn't have a solid shit for two years and I was just kind of got of a toilet bowl. And I let out a fart, and it wasn't a fart. It's just so bad, but I was like, you know what man? You know, so when did you find out about the buggery? how they wanted to take him camping. 26 years old like I don't fucking know I don't I don't think this is a thing I grew up in Idaho like I know yeah, it exists, but I'm like 26 years old, like I don't fucking know. I don't think this is a thing.

10:07 you Yeah, they're all a little bit different. You guys are gonna spread a bunch of different diseases to one another and like we've got a mission to to accomplish here hey, they don't really wanna camp with him, so as you build rapport build confidence in your friendships and people will start to talk about but And they have some Afghanis. And it's in it's very pervasive. It's it's very it's it's it's

13:56 I used to see these truck drivers and I thought you know, my dad was a truck driver Areas, they'll they'll have parades you see them and you interact with the way they are everybody Want to change the entire? Inside the lives of girls dressed as boys in Afghanistan, Well one there's there's a very low education rate when I come back to oh And I've hired a lot of Afghans.

17:41 Yes. These are very wrong things from a American support, tactical and strategic intervention. where they're going to be an adult People can be like what we would consider the education, the progress and evolution of Afghanistan. turn the soccer field into a place where they could have public displays for system, so they completely separated the women away from being able to evolve.

22:27 Socrates and all these ancient cultures, the Spartans, all these people that like had boys. You know the same cultural values as when it was created. So, you know what how old is Islam? Those tribes essentially haven't had the opportunity all of the the Sorry, they're beasts of burden they treat goats and from the homelessness position, you think about it from the homelessness

26:36 You can't think about it Oh my God. their eyes to this stuff. Well I was talking to Marcus Capone and he runs under an epidemic of suicide and depression. this yesterday. He was on antidepressants for seven years. Seven years like former war fighters and they have an extremely high success rate where they're eliminating thing about this too is it's also affecting our family and our kids. Like our kids are

30:44 We have to leave the country not only our psychology, but dude, we're broken. Like we've been beat up And that one doesn't make any sense. Dakota Meyer told me, he's like, I fucking hated it. My close friends have done either I wascar Ibogaine Stanford did a study, I'm not exactly familiar with all the data associated with it, but I've told this to people like Iraq is with me every day right Afghanistan was was a part of my life, but Iraq

34:45 We got to fight him there so we don't have to fight him here. Everybody thought it was real. Hell. Yeah You know war is it such a strange and surreal circumstance to second basis and then you do that over and over and over again and so one you might doing that three or four times a night. And then you're doing that night after night, to a normal person's bandwidth because it's a survival mechanism

37:24 And I'll tell you, I mean the first time I was in an ambush, you're looking into the deep dark abyss of the unknown Which is it's actually a very cathartic and I think personally fucking what else am I gonna do, right? keep up to what's actually happening. you know or vehicle three is vehicle one vehicle three this vehicle one and And at this point you know the full insurgency hasn't kicked off that we were hunting fettie and

41:12 fuck up that's great advice I know advice across the board yeah and I was I was in, I'll bookend this experience with ambushes. Angeles basically and had to work my way to the southern end of Los Angeles the I have like the Dragons are at the bumper they're gonna fuck it they're and the helicopter came back, why do you guys wanna kill us? quick reaction force and um

45:11 And it was like, you dead, you know? Bro, we didn't know how bad this was because it sounded like you were ordering a pizza Yeah, man, that's so real so real. That's so real You can't you can barely keep your shit together That is such a great quote though, because it's so true. Right. My reality started kind of crumble is entire team. Everybody that carried a gun like we speak

50:15 like this guy is a And this guy's a real piece of shit to try to go find this guy, But I sort of really think these guys might not know what the fuck they're doing when we're de-bathifying Iraq, we're firing everybody. And that was like that moment, which is fairly early, that are going to directly affect and protect America? And you're kind of You have your buddies, you have the camaraderie, you have the adrenaline, but

55:15 And I was older and I was also willing to die so that I'm like, well, if I can save some Americans, And the overwhelming negative experiences, the overwhelming, Sorry, man, I don't have any respect for those guys. that are we fucking, we lost our lives. Well, I think if you you read I mean, there's a lot, I think there's a lot of like, there's going to eventually contribute to terrorism.

1:00:10 perspective. campaigns that they had led throughout the 90s we had essentially stuffed that Because of Desert Storm, you think? They thought because of Desert Storm and what they... Petroleum based country where we could integrate democracy and none of these guys were arabes And they denied not only the opinions, but the information, actually, I need two more divisions.

1:03:42 These guys are all sitting around in their echo chambers and got the dominoes to fall on the entire thing It's like you spent seven trillion dollars in thousands of American lives, shape charge telling me anymore. I have a lot of skepticism when it comes to the people And when you have decision makers Stop the endless wars, right? I No. Listen to this. Let me hear what he says. Look, you just start right where your cursor is

1:09:00 and yet your concern is that the Ukrainians, a country most people I'm running for president of the United States because I think this country is in a lot of trouble. I think Joe Biden has weakened America secure our border, we will support our border. We will support our military 35 and a half trillion dollars in debt like it's crazy crazy. How do we have the money?

1:11:09 Memorizing soundbites. And by the way, it's administration after administration, it's politician after politician. He's weird. Bizarre like his face doesn't move. Did you get Botox at 80 like what the fuck is going on like you're weird? Doesn't leave a whole lot of room for watching documentaries and having And the fact that these actors can rise to a position where they can actually dictate what these military veterans do and don't do when they have no knowledge or experience

1:13:54 There's I will not put a bit in my mouth statesman effect. I felt like he's probably like, caught up in 2017 yeah, I think it worked back then I don't think it works anymore. I don't think people believe it anymore category relatively easy but yeah only when prompted yeah it's uh you know what That dude looks like a hairless cat. They botoxed the shit out of his forehead.

1:17:16 took it with him on the plane I'm guarantee you I guarantee you that I was like six four. He's a giant bite politicians with the country, I don't Because you know, we still got we still got a national deficit that we got to increase and I got a line the line It was so funny Or if she did nobody brought it out of her. I was hoping I could I really was I was hoping I could have a conversation

1:20:45 Especially after Trump had done it here in three hours. I'm like this is the only way to do it and Elon said it best You know Scott Adams has wrote about this pretty much in depth, about how well Trump practices the art of persuasion. You could talk to him about everything and anything. He's right there. He's not protecting any of his ideas because it was, there's only so much you can pay attention to

1:22:34 how corrupt the whole system is and how they all collude And I saw them do it with me. of this one thing so they could make money off of it. is to listen to them talk for long periods of time. But it's always this thing like yeah feel something if you talk to someone long enough You can't fake like stuff you've learned. We were talking yesterday you met him the other night and I've known him for 20 years like he was a lot of fun, dude

1:26:05 a lot of vets is and why they like why they connect really well with vets is because you can just authentically engage with people and say I this person We don't give a shit about or these like, you know inauthentic unreal Well, I guess rock star rock star and movie star or number one and number two maybe interchangeable you wear the bow tie at the Oscars,

1:28:12 So no one can color outside the lines. the election and it could affect the election. What was it? Was it Facebook? That's the thing with this this whole Oh yeah, all the time. Look at this he expressed belief that Facebook labeled the content as an attempt to sway an election they can tip the scale, which is completely insane to me. and they're constantly screwed with

1:31:36 and my wife had to grab my leg under the table and stop me? conversation it's a very friendly conversation nothing problematic at all And him and Sam Harris. But he said, I got flagged on YouTube for having this in my playlist as something that I go, do you remember the conversation? this fucking lady just to it's hate speech the Francisco, this whole bizarre tech cult bubble,

1:35:25 East and Africa. And I would just say I just don't agree with the way that Saudi I think this is better, and these are the reasons why. Let them do it and let someone counter it a narrative that all leftists must ascribe to regardless of any objective assessment of the facts. It's oppression. Yes. Garb, right? It's typically referred to as a man dress.

1:37:53 I've worn a hijab. could I could be the fucking I got a feminine frame man yeah I've got you Design costumes and shit for you. So you could I had like I had this fake mustache You know got a fake mustache mustache and you know or for me they would flash it. Oh my God, I saw our nostrils. It's a great thing. Is there a Christianophobic? This is really important. We need to direct them to feminism. But I think that's so funny because when I,

1:41:46 right, so for me I but this differentiation between the decision makers And I kept the lions from eating them. you have paramilitary guys, and more than more than qualified to be there from Coast back in the day. Once again, this person has no Like you can't intellect your way out of this thing. So like they bring in this asset and she's like, bringing in a guy from Pakistan.

1:45:22 like blows him through. there's a different cadence mindset and capability associated with what I would say is the paramilitary guys versus So they could be collection officers on the ground. I mean like time after time example after example She puts a magazine in it racks the slide right behind my head like directly into the back of my head Feel free take one of their take one of our guns take both of our guns

1:48:30 You know you fucking dumb whatever and give me your gun. I was like no she Everybody thinks there's like this Jason Bourne type person, train spies and I would shoot their qualification course with my left hand you can't have some of those people there. And more importantly, that's not their thing. They love it. and you're a political science major in Yale.

1:51:52 like there's Mean that there's so much respect like the older guy that's in the, you know, Right? He's gonna die. I should apply. his double life going. Yeah. and I just had a suitcase full of money and they dropped me off in the middle of nowhere You know, it's a proxy war right between South Africa and because it was the first time I heard about it.

1:56:50 Okay kids. Um, I know I've been out on a dig, you know in era equivalent clothing, and I got really addicted to it. and wilderness shows, people in the wilderness. I think he used like He's got one He's such a smart dude too. He talks like a PhD. And the guy in the audience was Like I am a hypocrite. And then you get the people that really believe that's the only way it survives and I think that's just the way it goes. That is just

2:01:30 when they switch to vegan too. I think plants suffer. eating leaves near a tree, and the tree will experience distress to the point where it that makes them inedible. I think that's just another version of religious extremism. I love fish. I think their philosophical point is a good one. Taylor Sheridan in to make monocrop agriculture. So now you're limited to organic plants, okay?

2:05:47 You could do it that way, but if you're a regular vegan, I thought it was fascinating like from a wide variety of reasons, but more importantly Yeah. They make delicious, delicious vegetarian food We just have a problem with them moving. That's all it is if people like they don't even have nerves And my kids and I are out on this beach. so then they're trying to find me the oysters

2:08:26 Yeah, I'm like, I don't give a shit. Yeah, when I lived in San Francisco, So I was like, I dodged the bullet. So I was like, like I dodged the bullet, But if it were, I'm taking you on an imaginary move. Yeah. Yeah, no no I love that it's, you know, He's really good. He's getting better all the time, and then they get a fucking show there's no carrot out here the carrot is just podcasts and other comics, right? So that's way better. There's no control. There's no

2:11:32 And they're like, no, it's weird. I don't like bureaucrats at all. Politician I care about like what are their ideas? Why do they think a certain way? What are they doing? You believe in that it's like some Orwellian nightmare man And if you could have a conversation with someone where you're friendly with each other and completely disagree. It's a beautiful dance

2:13:26 death, he told me he voted for Jill Stein. He said he voted for Jill Stein just like When they saw Miami go red they were like oh boy. Yeah, oh boy one of things that they were saying it is like the whole That's not because people have been radicalized. That's because the left has gone fucking cuckoo What is that? Where are you guys at? You guys gotta be like Taha

2:15:49 The one that's blue I wanted to ask you is about the cartel. Do you think that they're really gonna that one was humbled that when you guys Are there was oh shit? Okay? There we go. You're right. Yeah, they grow all the weeds on changes from being a game war let me check check your fish right running a fucking tactical unit But the problem is you made growing it illegally

2:17:57 around the country is coming from them. Yes! They were camping out there. SEAL Team Six and Delta Force on the cartels? Yeah, the real problem is there's always by having so they're just gonna sell it legally, and they have millions and millions of dollars from a life of crime. Yeah, I know. The Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics says shut down. I'm intimately familiar with them.

2:21:02 cause, They have fucking no clue if we organize because if Delta Force is hunting me, bro, If you guys got some money man, I would like put that away. You know like maybe move by our desire. Trump declares war on cartels. President-elect said notorious crime syndicates and drug kingpins will never sleep soundly again once he launches his plans to tackle

2:23:12 covert actions to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership, infrastructure, and operations. I'm sure a lot of it is pills. Is it fentanyl is responsible for the crazy high crazy high? It's the the ingredient in ayahuasca that makes DMT orally active Apparently the former governor Rick Scott is really into this Rick Perry Rick Perry Just like you get people that drink irresponsibly.

2:26:12 and you're flying around corners. You're gonna have people try those drugs infantilization of society and let people know that there are things out there that At least 50 I had read something there was like in the hundreds Because the acacia tree is like rich in DMT my personal experience with them with it is you have to have direct love for your family, for your spouse, for yourself.

2:30:24 my dad's like 80 years old, right? live your life. Right. I've kind of seen it with some people I think if you want to do BMX jumps and fucking do flips on your bike, you should be allowed to do it. Like there's a crime, you committed that crime, you go to jail. in consciousness through the entire country, where people develop like a mushroom culture

2:34:00 And it's probably the source of most religious experiences. It's been kept from us like we're a bunch of babies. Unfortunately, I agree with you. But if you don't make cocaine legal people are also going to die deaths. I did it that's how he got into it that stuff and use for all sorts of things. sure, don't drive a car when you're coked up, to keep up with this insanity in the internet in 2024, in this tide of change,

2:37:57 Let's only got arrested for lab tests claims that they were errors and then the corrections don't make the headlines He's gonna be all on everything basically so positive on everything he guys in a tent where it's like everybody knows what's going on. You never met him? They're around this nuclear weapons facility of course they're all over the place

2:39:56 There's no way they'd be buying up all the weed. The only way you can get them is from China. They're just thinking about themselves I'm sure that's their primary goal, but I do remember reading something where they were Yeah They were supplying at one point in time. What was the number Jamie? Then you'd pass it off to the DEA. you focus on terrorism and the Taliban,

2:43:27 you do business with them. You know, let's invent a market, And he was the guy. There's a lot of drugs going on there whoa children son couldn't sleep at all I didn't drink I didn't eat I felt powerful the last one so perfect powerful yeah look I don't think that So there's gonna be a bunch of like slippery people life. Just like drinking, just like driving, just like doing jujitsu, just like riding

2:46:29 No, no, no, you're not the good guy. So power, control, and profit, those things like, it taught us that we can't forfeit freedom It's like, how do I maintain You're not oversimplifying it. It's that lady at the table telling me that Sam Harris and Douglas Murray was hate speech. They're not hanging out with you at the bar. You're like, oh no, now what do I do?

2:49:26 Which is spent a billion dollars Like, what happened here? Then they get they had a giant lawsuit right the Dominion. Yeah, that was a big one. They got hit I I don't I don't know I this all comes from like Twitter. I don't know where it comes from Twitter Jamie. It's real she spent $680 million on ads. They're buying up all the ads and it's a wash in money. It's

2:52:32 And so they have this business going. I'd be like one of those fantasy football dorks I don't think the control, the grip of the control That's what I have a feeling. Dude, so epic. Just the definition of gain of function. And no repercussions. That's the way I think about that fucking guy. Countless lives and the fact that they still think they have public trust with zero accountability

2:56:18 NASCAR drivers Yeah, Dick Cheney's basically a fallen angel. Because it's a dude. Declares Trump cabinet picks unqualified He deported them together more to ball eight you know what it reminded me of you remember that take three days and then I can get a job in the fields and then I make way more money The problem is is when we export all of our manufacturing to China when we have an like South American. We have a border crisis

2:59:47 schools, pay a livable wage, national security perspective, if we're exporting jobs to South America, we're creating economic to export and look at this from a manufacturing and industry perspective from this hemisphere, is just not a bad thing. But we gotta do it ethically. We should be making our phones in America. Make sure that people get, It shouldn't be legal to have people working

3:02:51 to like thrive in a place where there was nothing before. that suffer in every kind of economy and every every kind of You know how lucky I am is like tenfold order. I got all my fingers and toes. It's it's fucking world changed so wildly and so quickly that we weren't even really noticing it while it was changing. And maybe this will open up the door

3:05:38 When you think about, obviously, that are basically taking 50% of that 860 Then you have congressmen and senators that are making decisions specifically related That's not what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure they might have a more vested interest into how much they're paying What is that? Get down to thirty what thirty four percent. What do you get there somewhere in the high 30s?

3:09:59 Like I said government got more than you got bitch 70% of your time I don't know where it went. How bad, how many times did they miss their audits. Yes, they how bad how many times they miss our My god, that is so crazy never yeah I'm just a military guy. What are they spending it on? I'd rather you tell me that you can't tell me then tell me you don't know. Right. Tell me you can't tell me. Tell me you can't tell me. Despite

3:13:40 filming things that were flying around they shouldn't have been filming. So they expanded There's 4,000 documents. We've any have we talked about the JFK assassination on this Summary dulls explanation. Yeah Dulles Airport, which is the Dulles brothers So. You've built it in Alan Dulles has been the main architecture. He's been the main architect behind this

3:16:35 So he puts together this thing, They're ready to take the beach. He left 1,100 guys on the beach to die, basically. pissed off the guys that are actually in charge of like assassination if you don't think you're gonna end up you left me and my buddies on a beach in Cuba. that speech about secret society. Yeah. Yeah. And there was he's a real threat. And as soon

3:20:20 And you have a collection of people Yeah. The whole thing, from autopsy to the fucking magic bullet laying on the gurney to having of what we have, which is social media. brought it on the Geraldo Rivera show. But it was also a guy who like was a truth seeeker back when it was really hard to get to the truth the left and we're supposed to think that this fucking guy did all this from

3:23:17 He might have been in that window. But I also think there was a bunch of people shooting at the president and if you look at that area you've been to dealing At least he had a scope. or China or the chip in his head but you know and then some mobster some like And he's tripping balls That's CIA guys, but they're all really He was answering to a bigger call in his mind. He's answering to, this is an eminent threat.

3:26:56 I just don't like they have we have to understand that perspective. Yes, cuz that was a big thing These are And for the 80th, these are, it's so interesting for me to think back on this because these Like, these are guys that are baptized in ultraviolence to the point of which this is I'm 1945, man. Well, a lot of these programs start to make sense because these guys are like, they're

3:30:18 Yeah, you're pretty serious character and being worried about a war with nuclear bombs with Russia. It was constant. It was We have this mutual agreement between the Soviets and Khrushchev wasn't That's what that whole thing was about because I think I'm a was a man of honor Like the fighters. you don't like us don't accept our invitations fine people on both sides it's it always been, it's been fascinating to me

3:34:24 I'm just saying like, what we did was we delayed validating Stalin because once again I think he's a complete piece of shit I because we lost 20 million people, and the Japanese were just as terrified of the Russians that were debating all of these issues back then. 1945, 1946, they were talking about Think about myself a lot of times to were you know 20 plus years after the fact like this is 1968

3:38:02 Yeah, I think when when people look back at history with these great moments of change, I mean think He says, fight, fight, fight. shows crazy this twists and turns you got your crazy billionaire character who You don't like criticism you don't like. If you want to get into this game, OK, you You're on your own. I have seen that. from that stupid Yeah, it's not gonna work I don't think no if you ever had I don't know

3:41:09 It was fun. So you had to be plugged into the computer actually, but now you're not now you feel like you're in the game. some dizzy. They want to take it off. Yeah, my wife is like that. Yeah, mine is they have one in Woodland Hills, I made them come kill zombies with me. I fucking love that was your Father's Day present. Yeah, you told your parent

3:43:41 These ones are pretty fast the ones in, some of them run at you. Yeah, yeah. How are they not all dead? I can't get enough zombie movies. And he's like pulling them out The hide was yeah the hide opens up on the way in, so it leaves a big hole all the way in. But this one opens up inside. And it's just instant death for the animal. Like cams, cams he throw, he's using a catapult.

3:46:50 He rewrote my entire hunt sequence this year. The one in Tahun last year, that bull died in like less than 10 seconds. Anything I've seen even shot with a rifle in the chest cavity, right? and a lot of speed and you're shooting a heavy arrow and it's hitting that rib cage, like there's something I got to go find the new one. I felt so special. I had one for a couple months and I had to blur it out. I took pictures

3:48:58 what's your what's your feet per second on it oh it's 293 or 294. So what are you shooting? 450? 475. 475? Yeah I bumped 50 pound bow. Okay. She got lucky target so much easier who's making those the Vaps the what do they call the TKO Of plastic right, you know That's why I like them because I can shoot the same exact weight and dimensions and I be 100% consistent to maintain the same flight characteristics.

3:52:25 Does that, do you think that's true though? it goes into the animal's body cavity and the bevel in the broadhead I think it does a little because there's a guy named Lusk archery and he Even the consistency of the rib cage. Slight courting way start courting towards there's no It's one of the things that they say is that the cut is so large when you get into the

3:55:11 inches of trauma going through the animal. especially if you bumped it 100 percent. Yeah. Yeah, Wayne said, you gotta try these carnivores. So you don't have to worry about it getting destroyed going in through rib cages and stuff as much as you do with other things Like I talked to Dudley about it, Because then you always have a fixed blade no matter what I like the I like the hybrid idea the best because then you always have a fixed blade,

3:57:19 You're like, okay, cool. John has his opinion, Kam has his opinion, Exactly. That's the crazy thing. so you have to kind of rely on their data That sail just pushes your pin around too much. from that Quivalizer, I can get from that. This year I went with a 10-degree downward angle of the front bar. His goes at a downward angle too. Because it's going in a different direction than just straightforward.

4:00:06 these different ways to do it. You know, there's all these different releases, there's all It's like 250 bucks, sure, you buy a release. I got a box of them. Yeah, I got a box of different releases and feel just as comfortable as you do with a hinge. And so it's such a delicate little click that once you get it in your head and you shoot with it a bunch of times

4:02:28 Plop. He developed it. you do a good shot. He shoots everything. That's kinda how Kim does it. During a shot process to the point where you could command trigger an elk hunt, you're way more in the groove you way you like right there Doing free throws and playing basketball right Right, right. Yeah, yeah. Hunting is basketball. control your nerves. If you can shoot perfectly that way at a target, you should be able to

4:06:12 than Delta. However, it's a different scenario based activity, completely different. Yes, You were one of those first guys your stupid fucking burlap tent and you hear And I've got this other fuzzy thing that I can't really see it's like claws and teeth They have the most black bears per capita in the whole country My grandfather everybody they're all hardcore loggers, but I'm not exaggerating we had a guy

4:08:59 And yeah, I mean he's a couple people accidentally he what he found a couple people accidentally playing with And he had a fucking bear in his front yard in a cage complete crazy person too. and fly around looking for tracks, land his plane in the middle of fucking nowhere, kick If you shoot him with small caliber and penetrates both lungs their lungs fill up

4:11:34 And he would tell me stories, But dude, he would Bay Cougars in the middle of mountains by himself. He's fly his plane land at the middle of the snow who had like three strokes by the time that I was talking to him, he's like, and he'd 357 like a gangster and reach underneath the logs and start pulling the trigger once he found the right fur Holy shit like when you talk about where I grew up and like the guys I grew up with

4:14:28 You're not a fucking lumberjack. They don't exist. Rapping oh, yeah big cables around them, and they'd be like oh you carried a backpack through the woods and he's 75 years old, Chasing his dogs to go kill a cougar You're barely getting by So they're saying no he says it's like a great tasting. I don't believe it Moose moose interesting 100% But I haven't had a lot of experience with it.

4:19:00 No, it's beef. It's but it's great company and they're doing something that you actually have to do the arrows Perfect break. Because it's a lighted knock. He's a perfect line headed straight for his vitals and then gone That's the wild thing about Texas you could just bring whatever you want in well you want zebras you can bring zebras you had zebras

4:22:20 And there's thousands of them like this is nuts. Well you you shot that um I'd like eating them and I also think it's gonna sound crazy, but I think you get their spirit I really do. Crawl up. They just run up it when you eat that thing you're like it's special. Something more meaningful and beneficial specifically for you Yeah, it's um. I'm glad I found it. I'll tell you that it's uh it's also it's so hard to do

4:26:25 about guys winding elk on purpose, blowing elk out. I think the ideal situation would be, I think at one time in your life. You should try to do that Thousands and thousands and thousands of years catch a fish when you catch a fish is like oh this excitement you catch of it that's You're not designed for that you're designed for like trauma and testing you're designed for struggle

4:29:48 No, it's aggag laws. We go to jail if you filmed horrific acts And then you're putting a bolt through its head. Just because I wanna actually feel the significance Five hours like that all right. Thanks. Appreciate you brother. All right. Bye