Joe Rogan Experience #2238 — John McPhee Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Finding new ways to like, you know media is it's so wide open now feel like I shouldn't bail right now I should keep listening I feel like like the way I always equated it. You know you're going to get a beating and it's coming at like, you ever met an actual bad, like four or six or eight year old? you can convince kids of almost anything.

2:59 and for their whole life, they feel like garbage, I think fighting is the same way. A lot of those guys, the only time they ever feel normal about anything else. You can't think about anything else. It's amazing that someone can do that. Yeah, you know, I remember when I was first starting jiu-jitsu gotta get good at this. Like that, having that as a skill, that's like one of

6:11 guy with his legs. We're like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, I agree. I agree. I tell you, against the fucking an adult. I did not think of this. This is good move and I was like, I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing because we were more Muay Thai, level. So he has this ability to take everybody down 19 plus and physically located in Ontario. armbar, right? In my opinion.

9:42 top of you, he's mounted on you, you're So why should you have a beginning of every round where you're standing up? And then you know this doing jiu-jitsu is like, Well, the early days were wild, right? He comes out, we're doing jits with him. but they slowly did this. Him and my team re-tagged everything with like my last name and team numbers And it's like, I've been in Iraq like 30 seconds.

12:04 They bring my kid over. I get my shit on, right? And they're like, yo, whose shit is a Royce? Is there How does it work? So it was all weapon-focused, more like self-defense. So it was always some, back then there was a lot of hocus pocus. ground, right? You know, a bunch of fucking white belts basically like out there fucking around. Oh, like Kali?

15:24 fighting? Like, where did that come from? I'm just I've always been so fascinated how different cultures have a completely different approach to fighting like the ties pragmatic way of fight because they were fighting all the time. This has got to be fair. like the king of American style kickboxing became one of the best trainers in MMA. This is, this is the fight. What happened? Oh,

18:17 That's fucking Chuck Norris. But they just didn't know anything about the leg kicks and after the fight like his brother Duke was like well But no one knew. He can barely walk. he brutalized him with just low kicks. It's just, and then Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, right? And they start like, you know, because Elio was a small guy and Helio is like going, well,

20:35 Yeah. I don't care about your pain. is actually even more effective than kicking in the thigh. told me he went his whole career It's nuts, it's like it's constantly changing and evolving. Yeah, like people find something that works and like oh, what about this? that I don't think it works like that. uh so is fucking this is crazy right but uh okay I have an assistant right I

23:20 So we get around to drinks and it was like well old fashions is what it was. We'll get anything you want, right? husband's at the end of the table and all of a sudden, and this is like within 45 minutes It's time to leave, you know what I mean? I was like, okay. Well, we're gonna go have a few more drinks at the bar, right? talked to my assistant and then her husband right like so I go down to the

26:29 I have a be something. I don't know what it was And she's like what what she looks she's looking at me. She's like So like she got me they drove me to breakfast got me something eat, kind of sober me up a little bit, right? And then they went to the airport, dropped me You know what I mean? in for these conventions. so they try to drug Oh yeah? Hilarious guy. So he's like something happened. I don't know what happened

30:11 any Xanax he's like no like you have a lot of Xanax in your system and Whatever that shit is, you know more about drugs than me. I've heard of that. Next thing you know, you're going home with them. You don't even know where you are. My he doesn't even drink you know I don't even know why he had a glass of wine someone probably talked him into it to clear this fucking building.

32:38 You can feel it. I didn't tell him but like I had felt that feeling. It's crazy and I don't think it can be created or fucking... Right? They had changed the name of the street so they could try to sell this house because they bulldoze the house for a little girl getting killed? Fuck that. Not even I I carried the I carried their bodies off an airplane and had a garden

35:39 And the lions were, it's not funny, but, I mean, it's kind of humorous, but I think it's feed her to their dogs yeah or the fucking carp outside the Like they did fucking bad shit there. It's just like I the more I feel like I'm going to throw up. Yeah, yeah, I gotta be honest. I don't know what he was, I was in the Middle East somewhere Yeah, no fucking I mean kids that grow up outside lock-key kids like when I was a kid

39:15 I'm six? And she was just kind of like, yeah, I'm six. Like, I had it one fucking day. Like, world, you know, and not really given any guidance. You don't, you know, I've never met like a world champion fighter that came from like the forces yeah and i'll take the fatherless all day long. Yeah. And I kind of think that you don't become that guy unless

41:51 Very rare. There's another thing, older brothers. Yeah, take some punishment move later and how to keep that mental edge with all the other things and the fighting was just When he talks, it's like this weird time vortex. and we were watching Coliseum. He was like, there's too much space. He goes these guys they lose position they go for here go for there all this extra space

45:13 contracts, UFC was different, couldn't figure it out. That's why Hoyce even fought, right? show Jiu Jitsu, to show the power of Jiu Jitsu. And then Phaidor Amelianenko comes on the scene. He's just like... his prime, he was a monster. And so stoic, like his expression never changed. He gets Yeah, he was an animal. But that was the days where everyone was just kind of figuring out what worked and what

47:32 170 pounds and they said, no, we want you to fight at 185. Come back yoked up. Oh yeah. But what it really is is science like they figure out there's a way where you recover more, you get stronger, you get faster. You never even heard of that? just monsters like Barry Bonds. He was a monster. I met Barry Bonds in 1994. I was on this television show called Hardball and Barry Bonds was, you know, he was still a major league player, a big time

50:10 people do whatever the fuck they want that works. I mean the athletes aren't even compensated. It's a crazy scam. It really is because it's not like no if no one made any money Maybe I blow out an ACL or herniated disc and my career's over and I want to see the Yeah, the drug test should be we're just kind of curious if you've had It just doesn't make any sense.

53:00 None. know what I mean hey let's take those piss cups and turn them in the fucking He's like the Southern Provisional Hockey League like I love this. It's just wild that that's the only sport where fist-fighting is allowed I have children. Because you watch that flopping we're like come on get up. This is so crazy hold my knees I hold my back like oh it's the most brutal shit of all time a guy who's 290 pounds is

56:10 Fucking go play fucking rugby. kids. My first practice, like the ball sitting there and one of the coaches is like, grab the ball one of my coach, you know, they keep stats and be like, you had like 80 tackles a game. How do you Do like Cali for hand speed and stuff like that, you know what I mean, right? So you can't come 30 miles an hour into this tackle.

58:40 Yeah. blast and then you know if you're Samoan you're like some big giant dude you're When the Tongans were like we'd pick they'd pick teams and all the Tongans would be like we want big John colliding into each other. that we would have adopted. Yeah. of actual work. You know what I mean? 10 minutes. You know what I mean? Gigantile eggs because they're just constantly doing plyometrics. Yes, I'll day renting and going side to side and left and right and

1:02:05 just said for MMA. Oh yeah. Right. That's the problem with MMA too, right? You can't Like you got one of those in you. Tony Ferguson was the scariest dude in the sport and then one bad beating and he was kind of never the same again Like in boxing, I always point to Meldrick Taylor, It was just he took so much of a beating in that fight that he was never the same again.

1:04:20 Become that mental champion again. It's fucking long road Is there anything like you as a leader when you see a guy who's maybe Jumping and bundle jumping in the military, and I don't know if you ever seen my social media is afterwards we'd review the video and I'd have to show a guy right and then We'd leave him in the classroom for a minute and we tell them. Hey gather your emotions

1:06:28 So like in a lot of times, younger guys, normally the SEALs, they'll have their jump numbers, they don't know what to do when things are going sideways and then mentally another parachute like we're all gonna die am I gonna let it ruin my day kind You're pretty fucking good at it right wise because every one of these things Slowly right right and it has to be built slowly right and then we used to say this like

1:09:48 door and as soon as you crack that door I fucking shoot you in the face you know There's a certain way they open right my team. I was always kind of like a primary door guy There's a lot of shit that needs to go on on these fucking aircraft. So there's no clean way to do that. Not even once. Not even once. Fuck, fuck no, man. You know what I mean? Right, and then it builds from there

1:12:45 I don't care. I love police, I support police all the time. I train them to do what I do. and then you learn what. are probably the only guys like stopping crime as it happens, if we train those guys better, Think police don't do the force multiplier thing. Like each guy is his own fucking bastion of the law And like, no one learns well like that either.

1:15:28 I was at a football game the other day and there's this like obese cop, like enormous Shit, I just baseball collar the back of their fucking collar, their shirt, where the fuck I don't think everyone needs to be the fittest human being ever. Right. it. is real. Yeah, it's real. Evil's real. Evil's fucking real. Yeah. Yeah to pretend it's not well that just means you haven't experienced it

1:17:51 I think the worst is when like the mayor or the police fucking chief is like not supportive It's a crazy thing to say it really is a crazy thing to say yeah, yeah, I mean Yeah. own the ground they have fucking technicals they have machine guns they Well, how are we gonna, look, we're not gonna be in fucking sneaky. No, I've been saying that forever. We should have our own cell phones.

1:20:16 It's fucking crazy. They put all these different they sell us all this different shit and we don't really know I mean, I don't know how many experts are investigating these fucking cell phone towers fucking zero Probably no VPNs probably no security and these people are getting their all their shit siphoned up sure, we'll sell it to you. Are you going to pay more? Oh boy, we'll take your money. It's weird.

1:22:35 And like look, I'm telling you the world is fucking evil people will fucking rape you kill you. No one gives a fuck like I think in maybe 2009-ish, Yes. Yeah. Evan was, we were in a elk camp and he was explaining some of the shit that What's that? Yeah, something like that. I brought a hardback for you. they didn't use them no more because they don't sell the hardbacks no more but I went out on a mission alone in Afghanistan

1:26:17 you never seen a jing- yeah fucking jingly truck because it fucking jingles man. What did you do? from a little kid. Fuck, I don't know what the fuck he's saying, right? And then like backed up and then motion like, the motion like get the fuck through here with AK. you know, you're like, you watch the movies You know what I mean? Anyway, I had to get a camera out get it under my arm and I kind of filmed the house right US eyes on

1:29:41 this is normal for him to be here and then so in that room they had like this boy and they fucking drug him into another room So I took my speed, you know, they give you speed. motherfuckers are gonna cut my dick off and stick it in my mouth because it seems like what they like to do and Like how do they how do they even? going out alone. And we're just sucking it up and like,

1:32:18 but I don't know what the fuck, candy, cookies, like any kind of like snack food. Right. So I scheduled everything for the next night. where like you gotta like fucking salute Like what the fuck does it look like I'm doing you know And they sit me in this room and they're like, hey, we want you to go out alone. Like yo, you coulda gave a fucking better man

1:34:55 The generals back then weren't in line with bushes dead or alive and they were I believe the Pentagon was a bigger Number one you can leave the wire if you get us eyes on a target need these reconnaissance and US eyes on to hit these targets. Okay, we want to launch reconnaissance the time, I'm like, like, this could have mattered less to me, I learned later, you

1:37:15 Wow. Yeah. Like a retard when you get pulled over. Hey man, do what you gotta do baby, like fucking survival of the fittest. So the problem is once you do one of these, now you're Yeah, maybe. I don't know. And then my other mindset is like, no matter where I am, Where when I was alone, like, Why? And there's no one that can really teach you this. How the fuck are you going to teach a guy to act like a retard if you get pulled over?

1:40:47 and just kind of the lessons I learned, you know? I don't have it on my phone. some of these other stories because I had such a different experience I can't You know what I'm saying? Someone needs to buy that book, 100%. Yeah, we'll get that book sold. We'll get that book bullshit but which leads me to Iraq where I did hundreds of solo missions away like shut the fuck up man. God damn it. You know what I mean? Like, so not really

1:44:35 So having said that we're talking about Iraq. I brought some show-and-tell items. What'd you bring? Wow. Yeah, that one. The liner fell out. I was given that to buy his tailor I had to leave for Christmas. we were working a Saddam piece, right? Some fucking legendary hits that no one's ever His tailor and his butlers and Saddam's inner circle was all Christians.

1:47:47 you know what I'm saying, yeah, but they were all Christians and I wear this sweater on Christmas Eve and then a butler. Like, I was, me and another guy were at the tailor's house, right? And we and the guy's early. I called my guys, right? Wow. Saddam knew what felt right to him, obviously. couple, I don't know what they're called now, Mohawks, I think is what they call the Iraqi counter-terror guys.

1:51:59 That's our guy fucking snatch him and no shit van door van door fucking open Yeah, that's one of the and we did so much. Hey, all right, I'll tell you another one. Saddam sighting, right? So this is like the beginning, like 2003 Iraq. We were So we get there, we raid the house, right? Well, I don't know if it was body doubles. shoot nobody today. And he's like, you're the only one with a regular pickup truck that

1:55:07 Everywhere is a fucking mess man. So I learned that day like my vehicles are always clean always And the kid shot the warning shots at the driver, And like I'm like, hey fucking give these people morphine But beginning of the war like my first that's my first Saddam hit, you know what I mean? You know what? I mean, and then I had a fucking pick-up guts But well, this is the fucked up thing about it is like you you went through all this chaos

1:57:54 over time, or did you just always have it? You learn the chaos. I think I'm a normal guy, but like people tell me I'm not. Think you know before I retired I was burned out. I didn't know I was burned out And I just got out of fucking Baghdad in 06 fucking killing people like 06 was a great year, you know I might get beaten more, but I fucking said my piece.

2:00:18 you know, someone's at the front door, like go answer. I've only seen like I don't know in my experience of all the guys. I know and all the combat. I've seen I'd say there's like Eight probably still work for the dark side of the government And until you've talked to someone who's experienced a part of the world in a way, in a way that no one else has, you don't know that that's a thing.

2:02:11 And to have a guy that could talk about navigating You're definitely not normal. I also had another vehicle that was an Ude Kusei but it's what the Ude secret police drove. You know what I'm And that's a Republican, Elk River to handle yeah pose in Montana. There's only so many guys that all do a case the pistol grip and then I had a guy make a copy of what I had. Oh. Yeah.

2:05:00 Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. popular yeah the hats been in Texas here for a very long time been stored in Like, yeah, I don't want it. You know Zack no, I hear that place is fucking creepy. My brother said it was fucking You were gonna buy it? So he bought it so Zach bought it. Yeah I love old muscle cars, so I was thinking about it. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Is the serial number say I am God or something? No, it's normal. Look at the VIN numbers normal. It's normal VIN number

2:08:16 and a hypnotist. All the cult members ran this place for years until they figured out that this guy was fucking everybody club let's open it up in this place all sorts of problems with the building oh, geez, these cults are fucking dangerous. So the cult awareness network starts going he could dance in front of his followers so he could perform in front of his followers.

2:10:54 got Botox and fucking weird shit to his face. This house feels like sadness. I was like, Oh no, there's a documentary. Never good. Yeah. They don't like doc make That was because of Waco. That this guy built this thing. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean we shot fire at it. Yeah, I don't know what happened. Yeah. Yeah Thank you. But look we got you shut up hippie shirt, I sell a ton of these like I wear

2:14:19 like you got to go eat here, and it's a bus. And they shut the fuck up. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah. Well North Carolina get your ass kicked Here, and that's all the stuff for you. of? It's the cooling material, you know, like the cooling towel material, right? But the problem with most cooling towels is they're not big enough. drains out of it, it cools quicker. And it's materials that cool clicker or feel cool to the

2:16:45 where do they get it online? That's right, there's no metal in the sheath. But the reason I made it is I always wanted something where like you I was always wearing my body armor, right? It'll clean the DNA off, sand it down, a little alcohol. the sling is always just hanging somewhere, right? a rubber band will last one day in a car Right, maybe you come up with a better way. I don't know, right?

2:19:41 So it's the difference between showing someone something lace? Cut it off. I cut it off. I loosen the boot where I get my foot out and I detectors a lot of guys carry them airports like these things I get I call that the prison wallet, you know what I mean? So all the stickers are just funny shit that happens on the range, right? Hurry up. Well, how you know? Yeah. So look this edge. Grip. Yeah. So look this edge.

2:23:06 Okay, being primary hand, primary eye, This guy will always be able to keep the other eye open. Makes sense? Okay. It's the same. And the reason I would tell you that is because the part of the brain that works the eyes Okay, does that mean you can do 250 pounds with one leg? That makes sense. I've never heard anybody say that before, but now that you're saying

2:25:54 practice left-handed a lot. Yeah. And he practices things even though he's You can't slow me down. Fucking a lot of frustrating days. That makes sense. Where you, your brain, when I say someone is eye neutral, sense? It does. Are you one of those guys that resists red dots? Or do you? I don't You're never gonna catch the red dock and unless you get better technique

2:28:48 Mmm, so you need it, but you need to train with it properly or it's not doing why is it already learned? postage stamp they put a coating on it so it doesn't fucking reflect or And then once you show them how to get it right, where it's like okay I want you to do like 20 good 20 shitty arm bars and then You know what I mean? So, I think it's like, I always, I tell people this all the time,

2:31:23 So it's better. want me to show them like fucking cars and guns and jits and guns. And I don't know if I'm ready I mean, if we can get better today, let's talk about it. trying to hand you ass fuck yeah let's go that's the beautiful thing about I'm like fucking, I gotta do something now. I went to Master Worlds and motherfuckers are yoked up You were talking about that on Sean Ryan's show.

2:34:24 I mean, just give it, it doesn't hurt. Like I'm not a sissy about it, but it's like- Yeah, I well I take drugs different fucked up. Inconclusive. Yeah, but um um, yeah, it depends on the individual. So, but I will tell you this, A couple years ago, my first elk hunt, So both of them got hearing aids, and the front one looks back to the second one, I treat strength as two different things.

2:37:25 it, covered all. And then I see it as conditioning as something separate, right? And conditioning I did right before Worlds, I was at 170 grams of protein, And they probably all cut weight too.. Well my coaches were like, you know right before we walk out on the mat he's like yo ref are they the same weight dude stand up. And I knew I wasn't getting my two points back and then I was just fucking exhausted.

2:39:59 Let's fucking go. fucking submission on you. What you like. this is maybe what pulling guard's for. I always like honestly when I when I'm like when I'm just at the dojo, like girls or smaller people, right? I would pretend I'm weak. You're fucking, hey, your Hickson is great, by the way. I know I've heard for a martial artist I'm like, I know you know enough English

2:43:20 it's like I always like how like they know enough English to insult you but they'll say But literally I did the paperwork with IB JJF and I sent it to Hickson and he filled out the paperwork like hey champ I'm looking for a printer now as soon as I find one I'll sign this that's pretty fucking cool. Yeah, and then Back in the day, that was fucking creante,

2:45:54 meaning like like I don't have to show up and fight right much more open-minded He's quite savage. I was kind of fat and like fight sports is like old-school He's like you are out here. You are doing this man again. It was like, man, that's fucking worse. I wasn't, I didn't even need the fucking break. a gi and I hadn't found a gi that fit me. So I had, I just

2:48:58 are no white belt who are you what are you doing here and I was like well I'm And he let he thinks for a second. Wagner Rocha, all those guys down there. because I'm never in one dojo long enough to like earn a stripe or earn Higgin yeah Higgin. Yeah. Yeah, I love Higgin. I know I love I actually was Higgins It's like I really fucking hit the gas like a coast for a little bit

2:51:49 Oh, John Machado, I love that guy too. And like, he was sitting on the couch he's a fucking amazing every one of his black belts gave me time like If my jiu jitsu is good enough, I should be able to fight anyone, right? coach. I was like you ain't never smashed me like that right and he just kind of looking I think it keeps your brain healthy. John, this is a fucking awesome conversation. Thanks, man. I really appreciate it. Yeah. I had not stimulating it. Yeah for real, right John. This is a fucking awesome conversation. Thanks. I really appreciate it

2:55:01 I don't know if I could say it or not. Who is it? Which guy? Who does he look like? Sure. Thank you very much for being here. Oh man. It was a great conversation. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for all the swag