Joe Rogan Experience #2239 — Derek, More Plates More Dates Transcript

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0:00 So we just watched this. differences and what people are is CEO but a targeted attack by Is there? but on the thing about Twitter or X is that like I A lot of the stuff I've seen in the past year The sniper movie about Chris Kyle, what was that called? that are irrelevant to porn, Want to shit on these chicks for being like like prostitutes essentially, right?

4:34 I'd probably be on OnlyFans. So there's like a scale of people on the OnlyFans apparently. I think so I think out of this 43 one guy paid her five million just assume they want to get married if they do want to get married they do want I'm gonna pay for our vacation the fuck out of here, right? So you've already like cut like regular guys out in that essentially forever?

7:35 I assume it's something to do with like you follow this person and like you get a bigger hit of dopamine probably from being able to Need more hot takes? What do I mean by almost? But a gravy boat? delivered with Uber Eats. out and succeed online. Andrew Tate type deal. There's a bunch of dudes who are like pounded on the keyboard They're not even a physical being.

11:16 section on a couple of them too. And shockingly, well maybe not, I don't know. But there's Yeah, it's like the same amount of people that are above that are going to be below. something right and just like shake her ass And then it gets tons of views. She'll smash like the windshield only or like a window from like the I think and she's the one who's talking about it after smashing the window of a limbo what yeah real I?

13:48 We are so dumb. What do you think about PowerSlab? It's like a human chess game. Oh, it's like the freaks. Yeah, he's like a dirty boxing king dude. He's also think like well when he would weigh 185 this is back when yo I was fighting How am I bigger than you this doesn't make it's like defies all known laws of Yeah, he's less lean. He's eating whatever he wants, but he's still got a six pack.

17:12 but no business in the ring with this world-class athlete. By the way, if we can see the back of his neck, he has a fully fused neck. when the women when he fight Israel and but they don't wake you up on the day of the weigh-ins Yes, so let's talk about that. Unnamed. and even that one of them was an Olympic caliber athlete Yeah, and this was like one of the reasons

20:32 where you beat the fucking shit out of each other every day What dirty language. Proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended. What while they were on shit. Wow. Imagine if that's like boxing in the Olympics or something like You saw to never notified Wada of its decision to lift an athlete's provisional suspension then USADA like publicly said that UFC is gonna allow their competitors to do

23:38 out they were almost never EPO testing. The HGH testing was never really done. And then also the isoform, was it the isotope should I test this? They'll be like, oh, if we know this, who cares? It's not necessary. that place is brutal. he like, he was really got ready, That's crazy because that's the place where you would do it, How long is the life that's detectable inside your body?

26:36 enhancing in contrast to your competitors who are also weight cutting and might not have the same things that I've read about sauna is that sauna use especially like directly It helped significantly, And it was because of regular sauna use. different ways to analyze, but in general, it's going to be either the molecular mass Right, right. molecularly to the cholesterol that would get basically enzymatically

30:21 Well it is. that's optimized for every device. ratio testing and having a CIR proof testosterone formulation and if because they have to use as like a reference they use for example from your urine they'll find sophisticated enough to make the exogenous look like the upstream yeah paying off WADA accredited labs to get like testing done. There's WADA accredited labs, not just in the States, but like in other countries where

34:10 yeah well there was some concern with Brock Lesnar at one point in time before I might be speaking at a school here. Yeah, I don't know if that lawsuit has been, if it's still ongoing or what the deal was, the positive test results come retroactively to years in the past once his name is Alex Kaliyari Turner. over a half decade later or more based on advancements in testing, you

37:18 old stuff? Like once they developed new testing protocols? Wasn't an Olympic athlete? Yeah. That's why, because Olympic Games, But I think sometimes it's just like budget constraints too, of sports, as long as you're ahead of the curve, you're probably good. tested for, but it's like at the scale, it's kind of up for debate because sometimes they don't test

39:26 got popped for a few years back. and 11 of them were allowed to compete still. more glucose than fatty acids, which is a less oxygen intensive process. Russian figure skaters 15 who was on this angina medication. Well that kind of He's so loud, dude. know being heavier is gonna be problematic right and you might you know Really? Yeah. Makes sense right? Yeah. Just dropping that anxiety response. Yeah. And if it crosses the

42:49 but I was like, I don't wanna cheat. It's like part of it is like... You Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, it's like part of it is a purist Relatively speaking bow hunting is not a successful endeavor preparation for it and I was gonna tell you about this too because I actually that led to like sciatica. it significantly lowers. Like the holding weight is, I think my holding

45:58 So on my right side, it was just getting locked up, So I knew after hunting season was over, I was going to have to dress it. muscular stimulation while you're going through exercise routines. And so they slap these electro pads all So do you find that more effective than stem cells? I'm sure that's part of it. But then this new fit thing is pretty significant. So I've

48:44 Like the same stuff that I've always used before. So so this is what it looks like so they slap these electrodes to you bodybuilders that. I forget what it was called, but you would basically go there and their claim was they would But I don't think it's a replacement. contract, relax. You are just contracted. You're just... and then you're going through

51:59 Biggest nuisance of a body part genetically. It's calf. We'll get john jones. That's the craziest thing for their whole career, they don't suddenly develop them Yeah, like, proportionally so. this is not to say don't train calves because people get all riled up to train? That's a good question. Probably there's probably something that I'm not thinking of.

54:03 caused me any neck problems. Like an iron neck. Yeah. Yeah, but it's like it seems even more intensive like it's uh, and you can fuck your neck up that way And so it's got a bungee cord, so a very stiff rubber cord, and as you're pulling back, you Yeah, 20 inches now crazy that is his neck would start at the top of his head when he was young I You know when you're in these reared

57:43 Like a robot like a I don't know. And I don't know, man, like it almost, a lot of the Romero fights, it seems like if he Relaxed and then he explodes on you. as Chris Weidman was coming in for a takedown. Like before it happens Exchange but in the fight, you know, Weidman's very aggressive very tough And you know pushing a pace trying to get the takedowns Weidman likes to push a strong pace and really wear on guys and yo

1:00:41 This guy moves so fucking fast when he wants to but he can't really fight like that for five minutes for five rounds Fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds if you were like Nate Diaz some indestructible zombie So if he's constantly hitting you And so you always have to be ready for the hard shot so you never get to He did it on five different occasions. In the ocean with great white sharks, what is it, like a mile and a half or something

1:03:00 They put a prison out there, they're fucked. You're just not gonna be able to recreate that unless you're doing it thought these guys were still in their bed. attempt. True stories like that and others embellish tales of man-eating sharks and killer 979 times that is rolling the dice on sharks, bro. Yeah, what happens when you? How long does that take some people think it was because those guys got away, but it was because it was too expensive

1:06:30 Yeah, but you know guys who have extreme cardio like that. That's a real weapon like not going to completely exert. would take him down, he would never accept it. Yeah, and when you see guys accept the takedown just pull full guard like that guy's fucking tired well, it's also crazy that a guy like him who is pretty heavily muscled and Yeah. So they had this like ultimate gas tank. But like with Rich Franklin, the problem was his skill level was never gonna compete with Anderson Silva.

1:09:58 He was just so skillful. And then by the end of the round, he's like, okay, motherfucker. Yeah. UFC interview where they like He's popped for some dumb shit too, if I recall correctly. Yeah. so Chandler you said good match for Connor. Is that ever happening or I don't know if Connor's ever gonna fight again That was the whole thing that we're all doing cocaine and we're fucking dude some of his interviews you can tell he is out of it

1:13:26 I mean, he likes Coke. You're getting hit in the head a lot, in the head a thousand times a year. you might hit me 15, 20 times a round and That doesn't hurt. But that, that thump, that's giving you CTE from a soccer ball. I bounced a soccer ball. I played soccer when I was a kid. That doesn't hurt. Angel Warrior Foundation. He works with a Wounded Warrior Foundation, I think he works with them, but he works, oh, Angel Warrior Foundation.

1:15:47 And there's a bunch of different therapies I wouldn't try to kill you. collided with doing jiu jitsu? people. Yeah, I can imagine someone like the brain cell death that literally occurs could How does it work? Yeah, yeah, it's a the pipeline of it getting through a clinical like getting a clinical application I think that might work. Like what kind of things would you describe?

1:19:32 widespread the optimal one for every single person you will likely achieve muscle saturation out of 10 grams and then elevate from there. Start with like 10. See if you're not all right. I have no problem with creatine and then there's another creatine, what is the other one? Isn't there some other stuff H something that you take in combination with it?

1:22:10 Some studies have found that you know upwards of one gram per pound of body weight per day could be Yeah, but that's not like a typical person, I would say. Like a glass container and put them in my refrigerator and then I pull it out whenever I want to eat Yeah. But maybe I get the powder, bro. Wow. things. Oh, not good enough for sure. about these people that are

1:26:07 it is more meticulous in the planning needed to like actually make it so you could thrive stimulate muscle protein synthesis to the capacity that is needed to actually be anabolic. And is creatine, is it sourced in a vegan way, You would never think that's where you get it from, right? Why would you look down upon anything that's gonna make you feel better? Yeah, no, I think more awareness is coming to it, but also in women for HRT, which is

1:28:38 Yeah. like oh well you got cancer so testosterone sucks right yeah which is Well, think about how many fucking people And for women too, no more hot flashes while you're sleeping, your bones Wow. $50,000 and it ruined and not that if it was a bigger amount of money, it would be fine research so easy even less than fifty thousand dollars so it's fifty thousand

1:31:48 Yeah. I'll have some asparagus. I don't think of it as like, Yeah. instead of zero, which is what the Olympics gives. Get over there get over there apparently they used to do sex testing in the Olympics in the 90s testosterone you still have the full functional capacity of a male to build internal testes XY chromosomes five alpha reductase deficiency, and had the testosterone levels of a male

1:35:15 sufficient masculinization to differentiate you and mature you completely from the DHT. information this was the most recent story was written then anything else was And I feel like the Olympic Committee probably has to lean into you know the whole Okay, French journalists, but it's been there's been multiple studies or multiple But it's like, you know, if you look female at birth you easily could if you have this disorder

1:38:28 You do not need to provide medical documentation to change your gender marker Genetic marker you select. and you're a guy. They used to be psychos. play in women's sports, and you're completely Yeah. Yeah, like I could empathize with somebody who didn't know and then became aware of it. fighting yeah like how many girls are transitioning and then fighting men or

1:41:36 There's like a bunch of fighters in the UFC. advantage just the universe has kissed them with genetics. I thought that the left was all about protecting women. and get my dick hard. there's not a guy I've ever talked to in my life that doesn't, that is even remotely concerned If Chaz is in the men's room behind her and I couldn't go in the men I couldn't go in the women's room and see what's

1:44:30 Yeah, fucked up, man. It's, I don't really know. and it got to the subject of trans women competing You can tell your kid that they're a werewolf. and they're a proud progressive that and you're nuts you're a nutty actress and you have three trans kids And then there are also people that are just compassionate people that want people to be How about the guy in Canada? That's 50 years old that identifies as a teenage girl and

1:47:33 No. What is that? Yeah? It's like if you asked me would it be? You don't want to be called a bigot. You don't want to be called any of these things by any fucking means at all, fucking full on long show full on lunatic who's completely changed his tune on so many different things including going after guns what they did with Like, you know, was it the here also I'll send it to you Jamie do it. It turned out you really didn't have to do it. So this is what's turned out now.

1:50:45 incident in Wuhan, China. Crazy. You get banned from YouTube for saying that. Banned. Okay, guidance that fueled public distrust and the key players included federal No, well at least that I could tell and I've never do a D dimer test. Yes. You're all that's good But apparently there's been if you talk to Brett Weinstein bunch of other people, there's a lot of debate as to whether or not it is ever local,

1:53:15 Well, if it gets to the heart, your heart doesn't heal, my friend told me, who's a very intelligent person, I want to name him. But he said that the real issue is that they didn't aspirate and a significant Yeah, have you ever heard of the Trencoff? I have what is that? Yeah, so it's thought to be that if you get into that wasn't meant to go immediately

1:55:16 because you're just this muscle bound dude to hack up a lung for a few minutes Jesus and is it a consistent thing or is it a one-time thing? Is it called TrendBalloon. Is that what it's? Yeah. Biden did? like GLP-1 medications, for example, highly effective Getting positive for a wind stroll, I think. just if they just continued probably. Well I know that one state. I think it was oregon

1:59:01 like that decriminalizes everything we we're just going to have fucking is actually getting worse scrutiny as opposed to like it getting better. The measure directed hundreds of millions of dollars in cannabis tax revenue towards addiction services, but the money was slow to get out the door at Well, you buying fentanylase cocaine from the cartel like what do you yeah like in Canada? It's not a

2:01:16 and you're allowed to possess it, But why good question apparent. I but you can still get the kovat 19 vaccine. Yeah easily I'll still tell you to get it. Yeah Yeah. think he admitted that he's on TRT. Clearly. I mean if you you would have to Yeah, I definitely think psychedelics have utility. One thing I do see that freaks me out though is people of mentally illness as someone who lies.

2:04:06 That's a mental illness. Right so if you're doing that you're lying about taking steroids when it's super obvious you're on steroids because your labs come out and finds out he's on a shitload of things and a liar and a fraud all day long. either if he did psychedelics or not. I'm pretty sure he's talked about it Children. We don't really know, but we do know there's a correlation.

2:07:41 Kills your REM sleep too. that, I'm basically a feel person. Like how do I feel? I'm pretty good at knowing how Most of us, right? and you're losing your house the same kind of pattern but like I've been addicted to a lot of things I've Yeah. He's he's got no cartilage in his knees and he's running thousands of miles. He's a complete psychopath flat bone on bone that's fucked dude it's madness do it's even more madness

2:11:33 He took his page down though, didn't he? Like, look at the size of his fucking arms. I want to see what your legs look like dude why I got sweatpants on see what those little toothpicks look like Dramatically like your whole timing is different. I have more a different leverage that everything's different And then maxing it out at the weight he's at too.

2:14:11 you're oh yeah I could be misspeaking but I'm pretty sure it's one or the other Cause, yeah you could show me a box jump that looks like you're somewhat functional but yes they like stick a rod before and maintained a lot of it. Cause you could see like, for example, hair transplants, You know somewhat manufactured. That's a very good point arts, like you know where everything is. Like if I'm throwing a kick, I know

2:17:48 grade 11 and gained like 50 pounds in a year and You know, because I'm addicted to playing pool. cue. to get it to move to the next position. He changed cue companies. Yeah, it was one of those examples where like, like MMA or any skill based thing. with, there's a dance going on with your nervous system, with all your muscles moving in coordination.

2:21:11 So you've got to know your foot on extension is going to be properly distanced from his Not that is everyone is impressed by it For him to go down like that, look at the force, look at the force. I mean all of his organs just went in shock right there And if he was on the other side, it would be even more devastating because that's not even the side where the liver is

2:23:12 You want to talk about a guy with sprints. Google, let's come up with a good Aspen all fight about the Curtis Blades fight was pretty quick but how about the last one with the Pavlich fight where he won the interim title? The only loss he has was he blew his knee out, Put the tabora one. It's the left left hand side go above that above that to the left

2:25:05 It's you got as hard a bet against John Everybody said like when Brendan went down and trained with him. Brendan was a heavyweight Brendan shop He's got just an insane mind for fighting and would he blow out Pereira you think where it's not even a worthwhile I mean, he's a fucking phenomenal wrestler. You're not getting none of that son. You're getting knees to the gut. You're

2:27:44 Aspinall's a freak. than every other heavyweight. There's no one like it. Yeah, like when I was like a fucking teenager watching UFC. It was like leota versus him Islam Makachev currently holds that standing. He's like, but John Jones is the best fucking fighter of all time But how much do you really know? there's no way you absolutely understand someone's ability,

2:30:38 You're just guessing. martial arts I know it's really going on you know and when you look at a guy like I don't mean now. some really close fights, he's had like split decision fights that he won. And, you know, I might go back and watch it again He submits everybody, submitted Dustin Po Poirier He's a fucking monster when he gets guys on the ground

2:33:02 Imagine though if Pereira was coming up when John Jones was a champion that would be exciting He wanted to make a point to say this to me. Some guy got like 190 with a kick. We're pretty impressed. I think some guy might have broken 200 with a kick some Muay Thai guy because everybody gets hit on the chin but when you get hit on the chin by Yeah dominated two divisions and the only reason why he didn't stay at light heavyweight or middleweight rather

2:35:40 But you got to wonder like how much of his inability like you went completely unconscious 226 Dude, Costa needs to go back to brawling. Yeah This frames incredible and whether or not he's juicy the the reality is the guy has and Costa was in no danger. He was like exploiting with distance and with feints and distant management and And that's like we were talking about like, how good does a guy compete in that one step,

2:39:08 he missed weight for one fight, fought at 205. Go from top ranked. I think he's lost like three in a row. It's crazy But I guess if you want to be controversial and Craig is certainly controversial and you want to get a lot of attention Yeah, he's like really silly. He's very self-deprecating and he's super skillful. You know, I don't know if he's training with you. Look he's beat him every time they faced him

2:41:38 about Nikki before. and like fucking gallons of like pee diddy style, you take them down you couldn't hold them down. You just slip right out of So are you never allowed to put baby oil on or find out this person put baby oil on. It's weird and so the solution to that is everybody has to wear long sleeve rash guards and spats he'd be kneeing you in the face.

2:44:22 So he didn't give blood blood but had blood removed from into the room and now you're blood doping with your own blood. Totally undetectable Right. Plastics in your bloodstream, would you get around that if you injected it with substance that is stimulating anything. It's just your own blood that was So if you put in exogenous blood, you're going to suppress the natural production of red

2:47:34 from everything you've ever showed in your data that you must have cheated. do phlebotomy as like a low barrier to entry, high paying job. So like being somebody who takes blood is like, let's forget about drug sport what they have now but the USADA protocol that And it was just a finance thing. Is this a I think it was a lot in terms of if it looks weird.

2:50:21 And what happens to those guys when they get over there and they get smacked up by those to do the testing, because it's like how, you know, doing some of the higher level testing for bioidenticals that could catch the microdosing Because you're a pharmacological nerd. Yeah I never did it. It's pure exploitation. violator is subject to criminal penalties a fine prison term of up to

2:53:58 What we should be doing is doing everything that works. doing weird methods to get around cheating the alternative is not If people are willing to cheat when concern would be what happens when you put up no guardrails and then that would be introduced. warfare games right yeah which there's nothing wrong with that if you're going to expose yourself

2:56:50 Yeah. That's a. other side of the country no one would know that you were sent anything it's So they have to go after the big fish. Jesus Christ. I saw the og variance of that and never what I I can't watch another one guy one cup is way more horrifying legal, I don't take Adderall. I'm 99% sure I have ADHD, I don't even know what it is. Like why is this legal and that's not?

3:00:08 it through didn't make it through. So, you know, like I am of the opinion that you should You know some people could argue halo testin is a drug that if they were even testing for it. Um, but yeah, And I like really fucks up your sleep and it makes you hyper paranoid as well which is no good Highly dopaminergic drug as well, which in excess can cause like a really weird sexual deviancy as well

3:03:20 It's like highly sought after in many sports Yeah. Yeah you could argue that the emotional instability is not good. Yeah. But paranoia makes you very fucking strong without blowing you up with water retention and staving off loss So if you achieve the outcome you sought with this thing, Yeah, he is. We're one of the first guys we were just like what like that's what they're pushing it to now

3:06:37 you need to be competitive. exploding your fucking muscle every workout if he would have been the bodybuilder he was and Dorian on the right. I don't get it. Well, it's just like the best bikini competitors against each other for the Olympia crown of So like, right, put it this way with men, there's different categories. And this is a reality of female bodybuildingbuilding that a lot of female bodybuilders look

3:09:40 If you go to women's bodybuilding like it looks like you remember it where it's you know dudes with wigs on basically who's Miss Olympia I do they still have women's bodybuilding? I think they do. Masculinizing drugs that work as well as the ones that make you a dude. Oh my god There's gains that were made in Canada, the value of it And maybe that changes with Pierre, I don't know, but like one of the main problems with

3:12:14 and like it would be impossible to unwind at this point. 140 Canadian whoa. Yeah, so your dollar goes super far in Canada eventually you'd have a, you know, something that accrued in so much value Huh, I would never suspected Sydney, Australia to be that expensive. That's nuts. Yeah. Oh listen Yeah. So anyway, watching the posing roots. Okay, all right, man., been a lot of fun.

3:15:34 Always good to see you.