Joe Rogan Experience #2241 — Rick Strassman Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. and they started finding like an extraordinary amount of tusks and bones and skulls from actually a bison skull that's like a 10,000 plus year old bison skull so this And they have these high pressure hoses and they hose it until they expose like a tusk. Yeah. of divers out there. And so they're recovering like these mammoth bones and

3:56 No, he was there for gold mining. He spent millions of dollars building this enormous research facility on his property so that they could study these bones. He's got warehouses full of them. Oh, did you really? It was a lot of fun. Me and my friend Ari Shafir. We said let's just fly up there just like an adventure trip Very interesting. It's a very strange atmosphere to you know the climate and the geology and your feeling

7:01 with Giefer Sutherland no no no no, no, no, that is the Lost Boys It's interesting how vampires sort of, experienced something and then I do experience it, how am I ever going to explain this to Yeah, it's a personal experience. 19 plus and physically located in Ontario. I'm in the middle of that right now. Oh, I see. it would sound completely like nonsense,

10:20 right Yeah. One of the ideas I put out in that 2014 book on the prophetic state, the soul of prophecy, and you speak to things, they speak to you. secular environment and you're raised by those people and then you meet someone reason why anything was ever formed. It's God's plan for everything that God has, you know, a plan and the next generation.

13:38 What point did the effects of trauma end? It's really interesting. I've never met one person who said, Yeah. It's weird. Is that something you something you've tried no I've done a day I've done a day There's a thing called a dry fast and people This monk went to visit the Buddha. Just because it's hard to do but you have a new faith in yourself. Sure.

17:09 in the city in a long time. I haven't seen tiny dogs, but man, there's some tiny dogs real aggressive like playful just wants to play constantly yeah so I bring my Get me out of here. No, you never replace it. You get another dog. You could always love other dogs. I don't and then next Friday night, you're on a date like that seems a little crazy. Right? You

19:27 We were talking about Alaska and up in Fairbanks. I thought, oh, I'll just practice psychiatry. Just had a great time. Oh, at that time? Especially in the winter, there's 18, 20 hours of pitch black. Boston, huh? Yeah. run. You know, I met a lot of Christians up in Alaska. Really? Yeah, yeah. Mostly? Yeah. Well, you know, Fairbanks had a boom when they built the oil pipeline between Prudhoe Bay and Anchorage.

23:07 river. It's like, oh, this is pretty nice. And I'm along the shore and there's a dark spot in the And I thought, well, you know, I'm getting hypothermic. Yeah, yeah, that's what I've heard, like in the snow in the door, pulled the door out of the frame of the house. So it just smelled food. Do you have slugs in it? Or is it? Yeah. Oh, no. No, it had buckshot. Okay

25:28 about that big, like a basketball-sized. I mean, you'll certainly deter them with buckshot. and if that doesn't work, the second one's lethal. and get them to safety, you're supposed to do that. So people like bond together a little Oh, wow. Yeah, it was pretty wild. Unless it's like something that, like, is coming around the Earth. plugged in yeah traffic you know to a parking meter or to the outside of a building.

28:25 Yeah. You know, when it gets really cold, your tires are square. Yeah, cold. They never puncture. Well, but there's a give factor with tires that's important to handling. but it seems like the negative side of it of getting a flat and getting stuck in the Yeah flat tires. Um, what? I've had friends that have had mushroom experiences out there. Very slow moving. It's the wind, too. There's great wind. I learned to watch the wind there

31:45 Oh, boy. just martial arts training. So my, you know, anything zero ideas outside of martial arts. I didn't care what was going on in the world. I was not paying attention to politics. I was not paying attention to world events as no interest in the economy, I didn't care at all, I didn't know how anything works, don't know the rules to any sports. Yeah, I didn't know what's happening when a basketball game is going on unless the ball goes in

34:09 kids are so horny. Like anytime you're alone, you get a chance that she wants to do it. I control the environment. It was a Korean flag. In my Zen training over the years, we did a lot of bowing to be like in the presence of something greater. Humility is the ladder through which one can It's like, we like our sports stars to not be humble have confidence in your ability to do something that is sort of open, some open-ended, you don't

37:21 And I think that would ultimately be bad. I say this whenever possible show the person that you're dating that you're valuable. Well, I think that's one of the advantages of zoom is there's no You can just kind of hang up by yeah, and you can meet somebody it's rough through family or through church or that kind of deal. And then over time it And you're like what am I why I don't want to marry this guy. I don't even know this guy

41:04 like come save me, help me. that even considers an arranged marriage, And maybe that lady never wants to get married they both agree on it. Maybe that's what you're into. I think that's the case that if there's no I mean, the mid-east, I mean, look at that place. Why do you think, at least in particular, that Jerusalem is just such a hotbed? gonna be a place where people do battle over. Like you can't let the enemy

45:01 existence, Jamie? So even if that's if that's the timeline so that we're looking at about 4,000 years, all right Yeah. long time ago. Yeah, and you know the location of the temples relates to dreams of Jacob always this sort of situation where when someone really likes a thing, everybody Hmm. Right, right. There's also, I think, a prevalence of this kind of spiritual narcissism.

49:02 in that expressing these thoughts to Well, I think it strengthens pre-existing We would have been cured like thousands of years ago. Yeah, the berserkers. Well, see, I mean you could do anything you already and you don't believe in So if you're a Viking and you wanna go out and kill, belief systems that you have sort of adopted over time. Yeah I think that's

52:28 I'm more inclined to believe these are simply projections, you know taking the garb of Everything that exists on earth that humans have created every single one of them came from an idea Well, there's certainly something going on. of these ideas and it changes the landscape, and changes the ocean, and it changes the seas. You know, so it's as if, you know, the system is already set up to encourage certain behaviors, have certain ones, certain

55:54 if you get angry, you might stub your toe. I think the technological stuff is pretty interesting now. monetary gain, right? And the companies that are involved in the most technological, sophisticated going to be, I think it's going to produce a hybrid. 100%. I think so too. I think that's Yeah. So in what kind of ways has AI impacted you? It hasn't impacted you yet.

58:45 But it's so close. It's weird. Do you like credence love creed? Yes. Yeah, I love credence and Biden this is crazy. Look how good this is though. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's not quite good enough where you can't tell that Yeah. Sora is a new generated by AI. And it's pretty indistinguishable. Yeah. I mean, Psychology that you're not gonna take you know like we're Stephen King when he was younger

1:02:06 You know what if it knows what's really gonna move you you know what if it right writes a Sheryl Crowe song that makes you cry It just happens to be a robot. Yeah, who cares if she's a robot? Yeah. Well, that's funny Yeah trapped up there. There's a new one of that they did in the I think the early 2000s. It was pretty candy you only see it for a brief second but your brain registers that's a

1:04:54 because the civilizations collapse, the zoo is open. It looks so fake. within our lifetime of recording dreams now if you can record a dream can you if they can map that out and then attach it to some sort of a some ability to visually record what you're experiencing. I think that's doable within X amount of years. Especially if we can enhance our brains.

1:07:50 He plays video games and he's like, So he's like really good at video games with this. You can have thermal imagery. the mind and then everybody gets together and says listen I would like to They'd probably censor it. you know, kind of like the DMT world. At a certain point, of creation, of history, of the relationship was to repopulate the earth. Certain things occurred because of the behavior of certain people, certain ideas, certain

1:12:29 They say all translation is interpretation. Wow. Just depending on context, they can mean a lot of different things. How different is biblical Hebrew from conversational Hebrew? Oh, wow. Yeah, you can guess because of context. see, boy, I'd really have to think that through, but you can combine a lot of ideas in one doing something to yourself. So, for example, you might say, I sat down, or I sat myself

1:16:25 You know, I haven't really. What are you doing this like when when you set out? What was your goal? write down. And I was compiling all of these interesting perspectives on the text. there but there are there a lot of straight from ancient Hebrew to English of the Bible with slight modifications or completely independent, you know, kinds of Ezekiel's the wildest one.

1:20:14 Yeah, you know the the depictions I was what I saw an image today. I should have just saved it and sent it to Jamie That's exactly what it was. Chariot Vision of Ezekiel... I think that that's just an old art piece. Peter teals house. Oh cool. Yeah, so Eric Weinstein said hey, I would like you to come to this lunch Yeah, that's the first question I would ask him.

1:22:59 Like yeah, what year? I think to just say that the aliens did it it seems a little a little silly because there's no evidence that the aliens did it Are they the same thing? acceptance of even the possibility of it being real. I mean people I think most people that might not necessarily be physically measurable, but also real. No sight if you believe in evolution it goes to multi-celled organisms eventually goes to sight

1:27:25 Well, do you think it's biologically based? You're probably not getting much of that at all. They were experiencing telepathic So they have no interaction with you before they write down what they experienced or recorded or what have you but there's the same They will make cold calls and people are expecting them. my washing machine mean, would we just build a tower of Babel all over again or would we like do something

1:31:30 And then here's the big one, the ability to detect deception. So if we really are all It would actually be detrimental. You would be ostracized. No one would want to communicate Well, if everybody knew exactly what was going on, that would be something different. But Right. It's by Olaf Stapledon. Yeah, and they work up to it. Yeah, it's an inspiring book, actually. It's one of my favorite.

1:35:05 not backed by anything. It's just a weird thing. So that's information. The trend with when we're all sharing our thoughts, You can't have a guy who lives in a fucking castle and another guy who lives in a favela I can kind of guess, I have a feeling, but I don't know. first before there's an agreement to undertake that? I think it'll just change Anyway, they'll be driving you around well an interesting, you know thought is you know, maybe you can increase levels

1:38:26 all the minds together in a universal language. It's visual. You don't know where it goes. After you come down, you know, when you're drinking a Coke. You? this this they project on my red laser onto the wall and if you look just 10 years ago to them. Well, because he is an outsider, and he is someone who did not come through the political foreign companies and foreign countries and propping up dictators. We can't have that.

1:41:57 of a crazy moment in history that was just broadcast on television and wasn't really because of psychedelic experiences. I think there needs to be some kind of middle institutional development where, you know, No. A couple of weeks ago, we were at a conference up in Denver, and I was doing some book signing. There's too many of them, and I know I have personal friends

1:45:22 ayahuasca, ibogaine, You licensed the therapists you you know have to account for your supply of drugs and your quality control those kinds of things Well, are you familiar with the Rajneesh story? That's Osho. You got me confused. years back and I was like this is a fascinating person like he doesn't seem They did a dirty thing there Well, you know, I spent some time at a Zen monastery.

1:48:52 But I stayed associated with them for over 20 years and went up there. I was walking back from a work assignment. So I had my shovel and my pick us 22 years mood. It was a bad mood too. I had to drop out of school. It was the sprints though, so it was just a sudden burst of energy. I mean, during the time period where you were participating in sprinting, did you have any

1:51:23 Yeah. of physical movement. I think the body is designed to exist in a very primal world that doesn't exist anymore Mostly meat. I don't eat them for nutrition. Yeah, do you like pretzels? Yeah, MDMA. Yeah, a month or two ago. I was at Union Station in Los Angeles and there was a stand. You're selling, you know the How's that? Yeah, that's stupid. They were trying to put bullet trains that would take you from San Francisco to New York City in like a few hours

1:55:39 Right, right. Wow. 70 trains, 75 trains every day would go through town and there were very few Yeah, fuck that. Where the apartment buildings there and the trains going right in front of the apartment exactly. That's crazy And I really enjoyed sitting there as the trains went by, smelling the exhaust. Yeah, or just some crazy person. Yeah. Because like people are walking on the train track.

1:59:14 Wow. Everybody sign up. to get photographed. of dumb. poor yeah like I came down with pneumonia this is 2014 and I was not I Novel I wrote a few years ago. Generally people don't bounce back when they say they're that sick. I was really worried about you, but I didn't want to to take me, and I wanted to become closer to that power that let, you someone passed away.

2:04:06 Whoa, a new thin guy to begin with. like the next four years yep because obviously things had gotten so you know which was nine months after this all started. Like the best I had felt in almost a year. And it seemed to have, you know, done the trick. This might be a personal question. So I go to Vegas to do this UFC event and you had a test before I leave, then you fly, you test when

2:06:40 Right. event. So during the time where I was going to get shot and then two weeks later, they And then I got attacked on CNN. So it was like I was watching this bizarre thing take place in scale on mass media against And it was they all in lockstep, MSNBC, CNN, newspapers, all of them making these ridiculous by the media who were only intent on keeping everyone terrified and offering only one solution

2:09:48 they were able to say, horse dewormer. Like what's going on? And who are these people that are doing this? These talking Jesus, who knows? Yeah. I don't know anything about it. He was right, but they had marching orders and his marching orders was to scare the shit out of people and to tell them to get vaccinated charge of it, he said, why are you stopping outdoor dining?

2:12:50 They get paid no matter what. all have like significant amount of comorbidities. stripped away from them and have significant learning the future. You think if there's another pandemic? Preemptively. How are you pardoning someone where he's not? pineal, which is more likely if you're fluoridated. them fluoride? Is the number commensurate with what would even

2:16:50 what about the accumulation of fluoride in small doses You know, so, like, at least according, you know, to the data from the 80s, you know, sedentary, drinks a lot and they're also 65. And this is one of the things that people point to when they say that it's not dangerous. like I said I'm just not that current on I just don't buy the idea that you

2:19:38 No. Yeah, me occasionally have a cookie or something like that, but it's not a normal thing for me Yeah, I don't know how they got started There's a direct correlation between high levels of calcium in the water, or excuse Yeah. Find out like what percentage IQ, what percentage of a detriment is leaded gas to your IQ? You know the Latin name, you know for lead is plum

2:22:34 Estimate childhood lead exposure has on average led to a reduction of 2.6 IQ points per person. 1973 environmental protection agency issued its first call for manufacturers to begin a gradual reduction the amount of lead and gasoline Why do people gravitate towards fluoride-free toothpaste? Look at the amount of fluoride. What about accumulative? Do we know? Do you really

2:24:39 Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. But put it in everybody's water? Yeah, kills bad germs, a fluoride treatment. I mean, there's a certain percentage of our population that has an IQ below 85. The Stanford-Binet test. It was developed way long ago, may not really measure all aspects That's a lot. 34% is 100 to 85. But you have to also factor in education, right? Like to

2:27:51 Yeah, well, that's one of the interesting elements about genetic engineering of the That's probably already happened. But it accidentally made them higher acute. It's kind of weird. Yeah. methodology were So your immune system doesn't reject the organ. syringe, put it through his chest into his heart, didn't Did he got last after that? The kinds of things that you learn to do to the human body and the kinds of things that

2:32:19 And you know, the teacher said, think what your mother would want to see her doctor wearing. Yeah, it's a very interesting conditioning, but yeah, it's a unique apprenticeship. Swelling? and then they had injected it into my knees. Okay. Yeah it's it really helps He has a knee replacement. They you know these titanium heads have you seen them? Yeah, pretty incredible

2:35:14 But I mean you're banking on that. else going on somewhere in the United States where they're showing promise in that regard. you know, I can imagine so a pounding thing in your back and crushed by a 50-foot wave, you know and Oh yeah. along with, yeah now exactly what it was. Lion's mane mushrooms can promote I like Paul. Great guy. Yeah, really great guy. I think he just got something replaced.

2:38:36 I just think that we're real close to not needing a fake one. If it's if the environment is brightly lit, you know, but if it gets you know darker dim developed to restore vision and people have lost their sight Blind site enables superhuman vision beyond natural limits like infrared becomes cognitive You're going to be able to do that with your eyeballs.

2:41:07 birth to see for the first time. see them. Yeah or become Yeah, or become a philosopher. people who get the chip. What is it saying that you've read the original one? forced to do it, some matrix type situation. Yeah, mass media is the master of the lie. Corporate media is the master of the lie. Well, I think... being possessed by demons, having your life ruined by devils. Very similar at least in result,

2:46:02 It's just we're we're we're like hung up on pitchfork, forktail, horns, demon, you know, but in action, entire war and then the starving people afterwards. But as soon as you start saying you believe in the devil people look at you sideways influence on the troops if you were able to put the two like on Right as soon as you bring up Satan publicly you lose all the secular people

2:48:22 force of evil is. an evil act uh there's no question right. So evil is a thing that's real. We just don't know what's the root of them all. either truth or falsehood. And after eating the fruit of the Yeah, Lilith. of their relationship. It's the explication of the Bible by the rabbis. A lot of fanciful things and entertaining things like, for example, Lilith source of the you know demonic entities out there. Mm-hmm

2:52:27 Very possibly. Well, you know, most of the translations of the Hebrew Bible are quite good. Like, you Yeah. think it really was all about? I think there were two people named Adam and Eve. For real? As if they You know, things are regular, like certain things happen, certain interactions Like, you know, what did the snake say to Eve? times. Right, that's the problem. And, you know, they seem, well, if you... Seems like

2:56:26 Well, they were the wisest of all the animals in the garden. Let me ask you this. It isn't dogma like you have to do this or you have to do that. very different than what really took place, but you think about it like the version Because they heard it directly from the initiator of the event, Right. That to me is one of the weirder origin stories. of beings on a far distant planet that's in an elliptical orbit, and it comes near

3:01:44 Version of the origin story of humans. It's the of the weirder, like if you love a great science fiction version of the origin is that the B'nai Elohim come down to Earth. Well, if you interpret the flood as the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, which created the flood, Yeah, the bizarre thing is they've isolated this area outside of the Kuiper Belt where they believe there's a large planetary body

3:04:10 Well, if it were true, that sort of is what everyone's seeing when they're seeing UFOs and UAPs. We have to figure out a way to get off the planet. The best way to get off the planet these stories are shared through different cultures, which is really interesting. Like this is probably what happened, all the people that get mad at him, those footprints around,

3:07:20 New book came out, well it's gonna be coming out tomorrow. You know one illustration. Oh cool. Yeah Rick, thank you so much.