Joe Rogan Experience #2248 — Michael Waddell Transcript

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0:00 Need more hot takes? Head to the FanDuel Sportsbook app. They've got more ways to bet, more ways to win, and more ways to cash out quick. Non-vegan? No in his mouth, especially some of your guests you've had on, and on top of, I mean, It would be fun. a lot of my hunting buddies and people I look up to as well, Remy Warren, all those guys. only Jack Link's beef jerky has seen them. I saw them on the Super Bowl commercial.

2:46 That was some of the most intriguing. I was dug deep into that and then went because of Asteroid debris. Yeah, and it probably fucks civilization up pretty bad and it can happen again makes complete sense No. all have like radiation poisoning, and they're guarding this one particular area. They won't Yeah, how is this made? Yeah, and he believes that society had reached a very very sophisticated level of

5:21 So some people thought it might have burned up in Jerusalem, I think it was. of the Covenant in Mar-a-Lago. And then I, but then I saw something to where, I don't know if Jamie, Jamie and Mike could And it's almost exactly the replica of what it's assumed to have been looked like, you So it's a replica that that travels around. Is that what it is? I mean, I wonder what it was.

7:47 It is fun. You've got to imagine some Native American was napping this flint on his knee obsessed with Indian artifacts and has an amazing collection. Like, goes across I mean, he loves it. finding them on this ranch. And this ranch apparently was just overrun by the Comanche. fest in Illinois and I went by this booth, see that is absolutely gorgeous.

10:19 Well, that's a spearhead, or that's this, or that. But to think, you're right. I mean think of Correct. butchering an elk and trying to get them packed out when you're just having to resharpen your was the last time I had went out there. would be tiny little, almost like bird points is what I felt like I wanted to call them. you know smoke the peace pipe and relax so times have changed a lot.

13:43 I mean, I don't even know how that would work. TV cameras around here. He said, because they'll come and all of a sudden they'll set this picked through because it's right off kind of a county road. And so most of the locals thousands of years ago right here. It's crazy and now it seems like we're so I've become like family, or they've become like family to me.

16:01 lot of mentors, Gloria Tom, who she's just stepping down, but she was the kind of in charge out there. And we would go and work with people like Jeff Cole and My heroes were Native American hunters, we think, oh, is he big enough to go Pope and Young? But prior to that, there was an Indian named Ishi out of a California tribe. This talks about their first venture into Africa and when they went there, when they

18:16 on the Pope and Young scale, you can enter them into the Pope and Young record books. And every Saxton Pope? There's issue there. Can you imagine? Look at that. You're learning from the source. You know what's fascinating when you think about what we enjoy, we enjoy archery. Another thing I read and heard told because obviously, you know, you travel around and

20:11 Just and the food back then was so much way better than the food we have now Just a fish out the creek and backstrap out of a mule deer. way he would describe things and the way he would describe the benefits of just archery practice about And you're just exactly right. well absolutely. If we're like, hey Joe, your wife and my wife is wanting us to kill

22:44 and still talking about Air Jordans I could jump higher and Michael lied to me. You're a liar Jordan. I think there's a genetic memory of that. It's not the same. I grew up in Georgia where, I mean, people were on these leases. Nobody talked about wind or nothing and it was just a bunch of old guys high-fiving and In reality it was just some cotton that as soon as it got wet, she froze to death. And just the thought of that of being literally in my time 11, 12 years old,

25:55 And that's what I had my summer job. And at the time, some of my buddies, of it. Well, I ended up deciding that I need to get me a bow and arrow. And then you had the whitetail hunter two that you could scroll in and out. Look at that. I mean it's a window into a different time. Look at that. Can you imagine taking that to Utah to Holy smokes. I bet they didn't even have to buy a license. I bet they just went hunting too.

28:55 No doubt. I mean, these podcasts, but back then, you know, you had articles. I got two in the rump, one in the neck. how you get crucified sometimes for the people who don't understand hunting, even ethically hunting It was taking a month to get over there. Like, well, we got shit loaded up. to think it'd be beneficial, but then I started realizing, man, these things are so dependable.

32:06 You know, we're just gonna drive down I wanna go hunt lions with a pointy stick. I mean... Oh, yeah. You know, I hear people talk about hunting and the dangers of potential rogue Let's try it. this that, you know, politics in America are crazy. Well, guess what? Somebody was running I don't have internet. And so anyway, I was like, I'm gonna get a little money. I'm gonna tip this guy. If I

34:45 And so they take me over to Botswana and I get some Pulas from an ATM because there's learned a lot in my young travel of just what's out there in the world. He's great too. As he is even the hunting aspect of it Like he really enjoys being in these very different cultures And so all the guides who, you know, speak Mongolian, I'm definitely going to subscribe to that.

37:32 And it looks like you're in Wyoming. Second row, that one, bam. His dad hunted with a rifle and he was successful and you know, he's got it close. Really interesting. Get hungry in China and decide you want to go get you a mess of rabbit and squirrel. I know. to hunt them. And so I, yeah, I'm always, the more I travel, like seeing this that Pedro's done, I hadn't

39:54 I'm gonna check that out. I was looking at the initial books coming out of hunting trips to Africa and Dingo neck What? I don't even think Jim Schocke's hunted one of them. Where did you find this, Jamie? Loida, Maasai, Kisi and Sotik. Wow, what the hell was that? I'm just wondering what it could be. Were they are few laying around? even ever knew my name knows, everybody's like,

42:22 Ronella, dude, he's, yeah. They are delicious to eat. Mayan civilization and all this stuff that I saw, even Graham Hancock. But what people And I'm like, there's so many of those structures out there. Right, Chichen Itza. And what is that calendar? The jungle just overrun all that civilization, just overcame it and you just, they find them I was just intrigued and we're in the jungle and stay in these little huts and I read these little tents like almost a screen porch

45:33 I'm about to run a rake through them. So archaeologists found pyramids, sports fields, causeways and connecting districts, amphitheaters by accident when one of the archaeologists browsed data on the internet. and there's thousands and thousands outfitter, he's very fluid in English, he said, yeah, there's all kinds of stuff out yeah and they kind of but I think that's what's fascinating about all that we're

47:53 You know, it's like, you eat enough squirrel and rabbit and it's great, but it's almost to have a place to hunt. And I remember I started working in the hunting industry Yeah, it's like bring us some ceviche and some calamari and you guys like cheese sticks? And I'm literally going back I was so intrigued with the city and just people. And so I was, it was almost like the exact opposite

50:22 who's got a show on Outdoor Channel. was like, man, this is cool. Can you, man, why don't you take me hunting? I mean, I like to cut up and have a good time. I had been camping before when I was a kid I was like, yeah something I've been missing like this is and it's a whole new world. I my new thing. I'm like, I'm obsessed. I was obsessed, obsessed and then obsessed with

53:26 People who buy burgers from McDonald's freezing cold in the Missouri breaks, fascinating. You're not. know what you're doing. He's one of the most I've met quite a few people, not as many as you, but Theo So Caleb Presley, Barstool Sports, he was there. Not have them shoot the bead, just look through this optic and see the red dot, And I said, Theo, and so there's clips of it and I literally, he said, and then he looked

56:36 You can see the red dot, the red dot, go on his head and get him. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take Look, I'll take it. Bro, he lives in another dimension. And we were like, I'm going to go to the UFC. We should have filmed this. That was so funny, and then they said so much that I could but I hadn't met anything quite like him And he was kind of cool. And anyway, and I realized Theo had more fun just kind of walking

58:34 It was down in South Florida. that separate us all from the most rural country guy to the most urban go on an adventure and a journey is to be able to meet somebody like Brewer who's like, it is a reverence. the tag on that bull, it is almost like spike. and they live somewhere close down there in Naples, Florida. And all of a sudden I forgot, this is a guy in the movies, this is a Canadian that grew

1:01:20 And I think even Jim talks about it. SHOT Show. It's, I don't know, it's pretty amazing. That's the beauty of travel, right? Like, the more You grew up in the country. PM. Yeah, we're gonna be, it's gonna be late. Like, what? 11 PM? Yeah, we have headlights. Put on your companies that are around the hunting culture. And so the guy wins it, him and his son.

1:03:59 It's like, okay. I said oh this is cool check this out this is a Bobcat track. Oh man I say look And he said, you know, Cheeto, you know, Cheetos. He, that just shows the disconnect. It's like, you know, somehow, you know, they think that you go to Antarctica or North Pole You know, it's like, no, that's not – these animals will smell you and they come hunt

1:06:17 And so it's just a disconnect of not knowing It's just this animal. They put the animal on their crosshair. That's not fair. You hear that all the time, that's not fair. There's nothing fair. this is the only environment you're ever gonna be here without getting buck fever You sleep like a dead man. like Christmas. You maybe don't sleep good I'm listening for him.

1:09:15 And it's still that after all these years. ready. Because like I have a whole training routine and a shooting routine and you know, Some of those meetings still, do you still have maybe executives looking at you like- like you still see the Christmas games and the Christmas season or Thanksgiving. That whole month's gone. Well, it's the only time he's in America.

1:11:01 Funny story, it happened similar. it's just a certain situation that feels good. us, Remy, Steve, a lot of us. So I had gotten a text from a guy, they was having some awards ceremony around the country Like right when I knew, I hadn't even had anything planned. did, and somehow she just happened to look at that text, and all of a sudden I couldn't I love to hunt turkeys. She said, but you know what? We could take one night and go

1:14:39 And I had your number I'd be texting everybody dude. Are y'all going? Yeah, can we can we have a drink hang out? had a great date night, and saw the wards and come back. if you haven't experienced hunting, you're like, we got him, we got him. I agree. You think they're not. Boing, boing, boing. we think we know, but then if you really dig deep and you're in the mountains you realize,

1:17:59 That's a year. They're outfitters. what am I going to learn from a Joe? Correct. They do. See that 18 different mountain lines. 28 miles diameter. This outfitter took a business card and he put it down and he said, well, I know y'all I didn't go to Auburn University in the Wildlife Department. Very more, way more brutal than what you and I would approach the management process.

1:21:58 people that are actually in the field. Correct. turned into ESPN, now Outdoor Channel, now YouTube, so on and so forth. six in his lifetime in the daylight. So what you realize, if you see a mountain lion in and so I noticed that I was finding all kinds of fawns, and they did a bunch of studies traps and different things. I live there. So the people that live in Aspen are just out of LA, you know, not trying to throw shade

1:25:47 These wolves, if they could talk, they're like, these people don't have a clue. They're trapping them and removing them because of all the depredation of killing livestock. kill mountain lions in the Bay Area, 50% of their diet is pets. Is this hypocrisy.com calling me? It's sad because what you'll find too is some of the best people in society. Dad, you ain't gonna believe it. Joe Rogan texted me and invited me to come up on the show and he said,

1:28:28 He runs and he does this stuff. I always said, somebody asked me, they said, what's the difference between you and Cameron And these guys, prototypical, what you'd pull up. And I don't know why it hit me like this guy, I don't know, it's crazy and so I think it's fun. God, I forget the name of it. But his show, it didn't last very long, but I thought it was

1:30:55 is a comedy club in Pasadena and that's where we had our studio. Oh, he's great. I ain't no way to say it any better. Like what? it. Well, you find out there is a lot of different little names. a business card and meet a girl with this. How old were you when you first encountered people that were anti-hunting? It was really weird. So there wasn't any hunting shows, but then about that same time TNN after these NASCAR races

1:34:32 But no it was you know just guessing but uh was it a laser range? range compensation, it had any of that. So if you're shooting uphill or downhill, It's unbelievable. And that to me, I didn't know existed. And I'm hoping they're going to get better. Just that dot on the vitals. But it's just taking a step out. everything is compensated into the sight itself.

1:37:31 Everything ain't just sitting out in the yard where you're shooting The problem was when it rained or if it got dirty. Most of my sights I set up from say 20 to 60 or 20 to 70 to arc through? And then quickly, what I like about the pins, it's clutter, it's kind of for hunting because of the fact, I think you do have to know and to make that error go right now

1:40:29 You know what I describe it as the difference between practicing free throws and basketball Dude, I mean just an animal. He is a great hunter too. Sometimes I don't translate A lot. yes, you get good at kind of somewhat like stage fright. And I'm like, this is the king. everything has to click, but you still get that Disrespect the animal but you just achieve something your grocery shopping in the wild is what yeah. Yeah

1:43:46 right in there. it hits a branch going in, you see it all the time. energy, the time that you did step away from the Netflix special in your case it on him? He said sometimes I would say, hey, I'm going to do my best. motorcycle and he landed it. something we jumped over and thinking I'd be scared. That's a weird psychology. I don't think that's the best way to approach it

1:46:54 Well, you think they might be like fishing for compliments. representations of hunting which is almost entirely negative and these perceptions that out a deer like this, people are like, what are you doing? Why'd you shoot this? It's all those things together. I agree with that too. At the end of the day, the trophy is for sure a mature animal. in front of the show, and he's big boy.

1:50:11 It is a getaway. and get away to cleanse yourself of everything that's going on. This guy from Europe and a sweet girl I mean, the most vile words you could, And the guy with the British accent or the European accent said, you know just so you know, we on your side, man. We love you, bro. I said,, you right, you know a lot more than people realize, you know a hell of a lot more

1:52:47 And I thought, how ironic that I'm going to speak with Joe today. but I know she wants me to hear and pay attention. that you can refuel out in the woods yeah, if I know that your goal is to shoot say a 390 bull that one day you know I'll get a call and you're gonna be hyperventilating do they have left? Mountain lion jump on him. Yes he did. type of thing 100 but it's a Winnie the Pooh type of thing. 100%. But it's like...

1:56:11 Oh, they'll kill their own kids. That buck rabbit killed that. Dolphins. So he wants to breed her. to try to kill, to keep the male dolphins and strong to survive. It's clash. It sounds like an old, like some kind of Scottish fight back in the 1400s. It's crazy to watch the brutality of it. We had the same similar thing in New Mexico this year. And this dude still come in.

1:59:57 I know Renella has done an amazing job of introducing that too. but you know, I grew up obviously, like I said, rule, I love to hunt and fish. Very and to become therapeutic. And just as a guide, as a camera guy, they had that show on TNN. The TNN Tip of the Week brought to you about fill line packs, something like, hey man, And I remember they pay me a hundred dollars a day

2:02:34 And then if you stop at a convenience store, you keep your receipt, and they'll pay for Like, you know, I doubt it. even thought it was a job when you were a kid. with barringers heating and cooling out of Zebulon, Georgia. You got your own uniform. this would be really cool. I love this more than anything but it was kind of Almost no different than if you're a young kid, like I'm going to Nashville, I want to

2:05:15 He'll get back in the sheetrock and just give him a chance. And I get to go on all these epic trips. I'm gonna wear chicken fingers. Are you kidding me? good hunter. network, then it becomes the national network, then it becomes Spike TV. And so And it's just the same with these conversations you have, and singing Hank Williams Jr. song, you know, with the coyotes abundant,

2:08:44 I mean, it's almost like it was a facade. NFL athletes. We would have comedians, people like Jeff Foxworthy, and I was just so pleased And so I told David, I said, I think most of these people, if we could do a show, kind I'll help edit, produce. You kill animals and I had all these beta tapes and I remember I had Dale Earnhardt killing the deer on there

2:10:35 that we was out videoing with and putting them in the wild. Like you'd pretend. I'm gonna be the hero, you know These animals are getting dead. I got Dale Earnhardt. I videoed him shooting deer deal. I'll trade to name drop and it just all- wanting to sweep the warehouse. and that's kinda, we kinda come up with a tagline, It wasn't this stuffy presentation of like hunting,

2:13:29 Exactly. And you're all just sort of winding down at the end of the day, And so if you come to camp, you know, There's a time to haunt it in. But we just try our best to make it fun. And I've learned Yeah that they forgot that the trophy is relationships and the adventure and yes And I didn't have really any weird opposition And he's going to skin a few, he's going to take a few celebrities hunting, and he's

2:16:23 You either have a great personality or you don't. And so you didn't even know you had this thing that was marketable. know, Chevelle. Appreciate you. What L man you just like I thought you'd be and it kind of takes me back. It's not a fits it that people can't just talk their feelings. And could you be real? He's exactly like you hope he'd be like.

2:18:56 Funny, goofy, good, cool cat. like, oh, that guy's an asshole. this is before I ever knew I'd get a chance to meet you To where now, if you look at the most successful people, Yeah, it's heartbreaking. Like this is, and he's getting yelled at at he's doing an outside press conference like Robert or comedians, you run into comedians, And the one thing that's harming them in Hollywood is that they get exposed for being who they really are and a lot of these

2:21:42 Can you imagine? Everybody. There's this one very funny conversation where she's talking about meeting her in-laws for I think it's Kamala. It's Kamala. Well, it's like, well, I'm probably going to screw it I remember Ted Nugent tells a story, was it Kurt Russell? to do this for a career or if they can be real. And then at times, okay, I believe DeNero in his

2:24:38 You just never saw any of that. And some of these regular human beings are really fucking good at playing bad guys. we like. I didn't know much about him as a man or what he was going through at the time, but like Joe, you ever get a wrecked when you fight? but he's such a sweet, deep thinker. kind of a joke too, but he's such a sweet It's like, Jesus.

2:27:00 Amazing. He is accessible to the people in a weird way, meaning I had a chance to even meet Trump. So he comes there and I had a chance to meet him. Dad, this is Michael Waddell. I don't have the patience. And I said, Mr. Trump, it really is a problem. If they're causing a problem, we need to do something about the wolves." Very similar. at Washington DC at a party a lobbyist put

2:31:01 the office he was making you know he's making as a senator, I don't know what, It only happens through corruption and it's transparent legal corruption. It's very strange. And it's it's not a right or a left thing. the truth about the cosmos, possibly, you know, some of the stuff about ancient civilization to It's amazing, man. I really do. And only in America, baby.

2:33:33 and move us onto a better path. that she was going to be a great president and they certainly didn't believe that Tim Yes. Get us some cereal, we'll just have cereal. Yeah, you ain't worried about driving across town. They save a quarter That's, you are rich and you are blessed good. And she's telling that to people who know exactly where the cheapest milk is. And

2:36:37 It's like, well Joe, you're going to get the yurt. Oh yeah, just in your bow and your arrows and your broadheads and your fucking range finder I've always stood by the fact, But at the end of the day, there's a certain peace as a man, especially. Or your favorite pizza. I can go talk to somebody or I can Google and say, man, I'm going to walk down here

2:39:22 money's nice. I agree that it don't necessarily bring you happiness. I might actually gain a little bit because now I got my wife and my kids and I got this bow and arrow, I might actually gain I'm ready to get back out. to the campfire here in Whipple Wheels and Kylo's house. I ask myself, and I mean, like I said, I've just been so blessed and it's been amazing.

2:41:34 much of that Joe? Like obviously growing up where you did and I mean you've I that experience I had with my family, it was kind of mind boggling because I thought they greens and fried chicken. Now you tell me. that they don't want us to fail. I don't want my wife going to the door. And if you think about it, if 80% or 90% of people can do these things,

2:44:14 I don't think it makes you arrogant or overzealously confident. They don't want to be confronted with the reality of what they've done with their life. It really does. And I texted several people all the time, especially when I think about it, people on wanted to hit him. And- It is. He's so dig deep. You are a killer. You have to come to full an animal with that and be like the bear, like the predator. You are a killer.

2:47:24 And I'm confident. And I know that there's nobody, even the people And I said, well, they say do this, this and this, hide under your desk and sit there and can hit the woods, I want you to go right then. Don't wait around. I want you to go. Figure out going to be a complete stranger. But I want you to pick out that person. and you tell them what happened,

2:49:40 I think most people have that opportunity, but if you raise around that culture to where There's some good folks. She said, well, I'm still going there. It was a lot of fun. Thank you. Tell everybody what your social media is, where they can find your your hunts online. Oh, yeah.