Joe Rogan Experience #2251 — Rick Perry & W. Bryan Hubbard Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. for what by lack of better term was the Kentucky Abagate Initiative. The state of Ibogaine. And he also was so wonderfully helpful as to procure an op-ed in Newsweek magazine in Vacations are sitting on the beach someplace. It's not high on my list of good things to do over introduced themselves and said are you here to meet Governor Perry and a

3:12 Says, hey, we met this kid, last weekend? I said no. He said yes sir once and no sir once. Marcus tell you where he was last weekend? the restaurant Well, I went back, looked up Operation Red Wing, and that's when my So, incredible small world for me here who said you told him the next time he was through Austin, Texas, come by and on this long journey, this adventure that has taken me to sitting at Joe Rogan's table talking about veterans' mental health. We've

7:35 And I told him, I said, I'm not going to let you go to the VA Marcus's book had come out, I think, in O.H. when it came out and went to number one on is a legit American hero. And I said, our government's just completely dropped the ball is Marcus Luttrell was just fortunate And they've given away a thousand homes now. or six years in particular. years I got left.

11:54 only thing that we can give our son that's relieved him of this is THC. with what we're doing here this is medically diagnosed medically dosed Over a 17-year period of time, I went from an absolute, don't even talk to me about these in a powerful and a positive way is substantial. And I, you know, that's what Everyone is on a mission to improve their health and wellness habits and set the tone

15:41 You can also add a few drops of their vitamin D3 plus K2 for added immune support. If you go to drinkag1.com slash Joe Rogan, seriously, folks, check it out. Express VPN is an easy to use app that encrypts your online activity and in 105 countries around Well, I think it's a great introduction to people And do you know how Ibogaine was introduced into the zeitgeist?

18:57 gonzo journalism, you know, and what he would do is just mix in a bunch of very He finally said, well you made it all up. I couldn't believe it. People Ibogaine, of all drugs, which is And I think for the purpose of educating the public, we go back and understand the early consider it. But people are so, most people are so compassionate about the needs of veterans, the demands that

21:46 could be. I went to school at Texas A&M. I wanted to be a pilot in the United States Air Force. and it can't even be used for clinical trials. used and appropriately overseen can absolutely change lives and This isn't a partisan issue of any sense of the imagination. to take it? I don't mind to take it. In 2018. Brian pull that microphone up to came home, finally from war, Amber described an individual who bore no resemblance to the

26:31 Amber as a last shot at saving her family sent him to Mexico to receive IMAGAME treatment. They came together to form vets, and since 2018, They were evaluated comprehensively through the administration of a battery of psychological In many cases, veterans who were prescribed an array of habituating pharmacology, which, again, effectively addressed

29:33 the entire surface of each of these veterans' brains. Governor Perry and I had the privilege of spending some time with a researcher who is based out of the University of Zurich in Switzerland. As a last resort, he underwent an invasive intracranial surgical procedure called deep brain stimulation, The video that we saw demonstrated his attempts The outcome is nothing short of miraculous.

33:02 trial so that we find out is this Ibogaine's criminality is in fact criminal and needs to be wound up opening up a center in Mexico. to this that are at the end of their rope. Right. work at the Department of Energy. And Morgan did. And he was over in a part of the agency using our supercomputers at the Department of Energy and Morgan was early 2018.

38:18 Joe, 88 percent of those individuals, six months later, had zero, not a little bit better, they had zero at the VA, at some of our great medical institutions, I had a political consultant. I said, I've read, I've talked to people, I've been to Mexico multiple times to observe And I think you know when we see people like Marcus Luttrell and Morgan Luttrell

41:27 I know who he is. There's just, it's too much to ignore. I mean, you think about, I started going down to Brooks Army Medical Center and the burn center down there in 05 when kids started coming back going, gosh I wonder why Billy and Bobby killed for this long a period of time? You know, my grandfather was engaged in that conflict Vietnam came along and these young men were in conflict for a little period. We

45:26 Is that person walking in here with the shawl on? We're going to be introducing to the Texas legislature an initiative for clinical trial process that's going on. Brian, could you explain what is the unique pathway that allows Ibogaine to help people After he took it, he discovered that his desire for heroin had vanished despite a nine-year Dopamine and serotonin are our baseline survival chemicals.

49:42 we looked at this problem as one of profound moral failure by those who found themselves trapped in addiction. What I Wow. of complete abstinence from opioids to recover its own individual dopamine and serotonin no more compelling circumstance to demand the accelerated development of this therapeutic it will slow and stop their heart and they will die.

53:19 in Mexico have had the privilege of going to two. of torsades. One is maintained violated by the name of Juliana Mulligan background and certification who are also believers in the advancement of all this stuff was made illegal and we're still dealing with the repercussions of this which economically and culturally is much more similar to eastern Kentucky and southern

56:48 untreated mental illness. It has blighted us for as long as anyone can remember. but you need to know a couple of things. you're gonna come through just fine. pull me out of the ditch. Coming out of a working class family, my dad was an installer for the telephone company and So with Dewey, Ieyed optimism, I went to undergrad manipulated outcomes in the hands of judges

1:01:29 A senior partner called me in and said, compensation law across Kentucky in the years which coincided with the onset and working in low-skill, low-wage jobs, convenience stores, family dollars, This person would undergo a series of diagnostic studies studies all had failed to reveal any objective physiological explanation with you. medications, Oxycontin, Xanax, Xanaflex, the whole nine yards. If they were not physiologically

1:06:12 And their hope had been broken. And that broken hope came through as profound physical pain I know it and workers' compensation go hand in hand. And I said, I don't know, but I'll sure give it my best try, and it's an honor to be considered. 2017, we issued what was the very first of its kind retrospective study of the evolution We paired the enrollment statistics with the state's Medicaid database, which tracked

1:10:13 to the state of Kentucky come in for what was called the Home Agency Visit. for the benefit of the Social Security disability recipients. It was run delivering child support payments to children. In fact, had some systemic issues. There were a cohort of county attorneys who were running of private real estate equity interests by elected officials at the county level, something

1:13:25 of Medicaid Fraud and Abuse Control, we doubled the number of criminal indictments and convictions of medical providers on that to recognize the predators within this universe for their role in the creation and perpetuation of the opioid epidemic. one of the highest rates of child sexual abuse in the country. All of the tender y'all will let me set up this Commission and run it in a way that is accessible

1:17:06 roughly eight and a half months of Oxycontin sales but we're gonna be if we're going to change generational dynamics to improve upon what we have. We've got to And I followed developments around its research What can you tell me about the universe of psychedelics story. So I reached out to Juliana, told her who I was, and I said tell me your has open pharmacies that are unregulated.

1:20:04 And she said, I had done every form of treatment that was known. I did abstin to give myself a chance to live. And she said I had done that there are a number of operations that the best I ever felt in my entire life. Juliana put me in touch with a lady by Who would you like to meet? interest in an opportunity that may exist around Ibogaine. She said, all right, let

1:22:49 of silence until such time as I can decide whether or not this is something to present veteran activists who had gathered around Ibogaine, On January 31st of 23, I gave a presentation to Attorney General Cameron and I said, I their self and their future, whereby they will live a life that is defined by choice rather than compulsion, and that is a fundamental quality that

1:25:07 of setting aside $42 million, 5% of the state's settlement funds to create a public-private We conducted three very high-profile public hearings, each of which lasted about five provided, or had sent loved ones for Ibogaine treatment. as expeditiously and safely as possible for the sake of our brothers and sisters in this I believe he still sits on there.

1:28:30 would not approve that clinical trial and with that the chief objection was abugating the brain as applied to the veteran population with TBI and PTSD. which had gathered around this project. That energy included the commitment of two significant corporate presence in Kentucky and to anchor all of their research and development activity But for the loss of the opportunity for the long-suffering people at home who deserved

1:32:01 the country in the country. Rex has a foundation called the and he said, whatever you need to help make this successful, walked out of that meeting thinking that it was all over, I called Rex and I said, opportunity of a lifetime to generate tremendous progress that need to be taken to implement this in Texas? So if you'll recall, I think four years

1:35:34 Morgan. And I think it passed 142 to 8 in the State House. And I think it passed the Senate without any opposing votes and it became their brains, I mean literally regenerating the brain, moving away from addictions with one treatment. that's a fact. But Texas can lead We've got great leadership in both the House and the Senate that understand this issue

1:38:46 September of 2025. for opioid use disorder. that is generated as a result of this project. the people's investment. the very best possible beginning that they can receive will be selected. and cardiac support, as well as anything and everything related to cardiac intervention and cardiac support as well as anything and The Texas Medical Center in Houston, Texas, there are more doctors, nurses, technicians,

1:42:58 I mean, we are blessed in this country or Beijing or wherever they may be, they'll look at this and go, you know what? the ground, including Dr. Sue Sisley, who's been at this for decades, New Mexico, Missouri, all of these are states to take up the gauntlet when the legislature reconvenes in January to see to it. I mean, the way you've described this is so fantastic.

1:46:00 I first found out that you were getting interested in this, involved in this, I was This is just a human being issue. This is about how do we take care of our, and in our case, and in 2003 and being engaged with them, traveling over to Iraq and Afghanistan multiple times I mean, literally hundreds of young men and women who he gave wonderfully to. Seeing people like that and then our government failing.

1:49:21 I love them. about don't go out there and buy it off the internet, injury, the challenges that they've got. But when you look ever went to prison, before they would become professional criminals. One treatment and save a person like Reed Elsass's life because of fentanyl. recognize that they are truly connected to the divine. And that imagine all these downtrodden,

1:53:26 what can alleviate their suffering. We've sat here and talked about the opioid epidemic, Ibogaine delivers it. And so the week after Thanksgiving of last year, by defeat Ibogaine's therapeutic restoration. When they told me that I was in despair because took her last Selexa on November 23rd of 2023, and she has not had one since. Before we came Creator which is eternal and almighty. Amen. If you believe in God, you have to

1:58:28 sitting here talking about. across the country at the federal level, at the congressional level. lady that's going to be helping us here in Texas, Ann Claire Stapleton. Ann Claire was literally the lives that can be saved, the Texas citizenry at large to deal with it. We can. I'm excited about it. But I think, again, When it comes to how to do this, Governor Perry and I are able to recognize the blessing

2:03:07 the brain. midst of an existential struggle for this country's survival. We are living within We find ourselves with massive government systems our society will inevitably collapse beneath the enormity Lord hasten the day, and thank you for the privilege of sitting with you this to these ideas, I think we have an amazing opportunity in front of us. Thank you very