Joe Rogan Experience #2258 — Steven Rinella Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. He's got a lot of that. like, that's not tough. And then later I was like, oh, that kind of tough, man. That's the thing, is when I looked at, I'm not ready yet. You're gonna get depressed You need puzzle. If you don't have something, you get very dull. to be like really kicking it, just screwing around outside. I think he's getting propped up.

4:04 How long do you think how long do you think you if you had to guess how long would you do this podcast? I want to find out what why she writes those books like that I think this idea of like planning for the future. It's like silly. I really do These are all questions I had never really thought about but I've become more interested I can do this with him.

6:14 I remember years ago, three, four years ago, So I'll be about 10% less famous good Who cares? certain individuals you included would be that, Yeah, I get I get like letters people want me to come to their house I People think like they think they know you, but They know about your background, right? Like people have listened to me like a hundred hours, there's no confusion.

9:02 You know how most wireless plans feel like they're designed to confuse you with like hidden fees weird Use promo code ROGIN by January 31st, Yeah, imagine. that they're not really that way, because there's been She fell apart, disappeared. Because people yeah, I believe it and she lost everything she fell apart disappeared It's just people that um they get in those positions of power and if their whole life they've been fucked with and picked on or you

11:24 certain political fortunes They have different laws. They have hate speech laws, which are very dangerous. Yeah, they've EMS and well that's where like that's I mean isn't that conversation what? doing what he... they've essentially made a monster. They made him way more famous I'll go through it, and I'll go through it publicly. authoritarian And I don't know too much about that Pierre Polovet guy,

14:11 I used to love going to Vancouver. Yeah. But there'll probably, I mean, there'll probably be a course correction now, which Government wants to eventually completely and totally control its population because it's way easier for them to make money it's on the same patch of land as us and it's fun it just shows you what can are doing. Hopefully someone comes along that has like real meaningful change

17:01 Just weird and how avoidable it was a hundred hundred percent avoidable, but pathological liars, So you wonder about making the call to embellish something But that's what a lot of these people are Yeah. No, I have no desire in any way shape or form to have anything to do with anything involving politics because people are fighting with each other I don't want to be nothing.

19:47 Yeah. And you know. Next thing you know, I want a Mercedes. I was like, ooh, that's so true. genuinely you lean in that direction. yuck 460 other creeps who show up in DC and lie. Yuck. Although I did get like a I don't. seen what's going on in California. But the governor gave this creepy fucking speech where heirlooms you know their mother's wedding ring that kind of shit

23:25 Look at the little wiggle he does with his shoulders. by just clearing brush, by filling the reservoir that 11 million gallon reservoir was completely empty during the time of full fire season I'm not joking, legitimately brings up to him night guys that I grew up with you know like a fish that was very central to our an article in my friend circle and had sent me a thing where Trump had called

26:27 Yeah, but I do get like my hackles get up when my hackles get up about disparaging, betting partner of the NFL. Scoring touchdowns is key to winning the playoffs, and you can DKNG co-slash audio I get it. That's your world. Mm-hmm. That's your world bit involved in this the last few years, is I started going down to the Gulf of Mexico and not encounter fish. I mean, it's kind of where you're seeing them with a snorkel and mask, you can swim along the surface for miles and not encounter fish.

29:23 you grow up with this idea, if you just have a passive understanding of all this stuff, you grow up with this idea that like oil exploration equals a hazards. most people from the environmental movement are anti-oil exploration, but then you go and look and be like they created like an un- accidentally created an unbelievable They can put them in but it's got all the fishermen pissed off

31:41 So they brought in carp. And then there's people that are opposed to that because like you know you have your you know The wake borders and all the people that like to like recreation on the water He had a line where, like in Hawaii, in our lake, but it made unbelievable fish habitat. They went in and poisoned all the milfoil out of the lakes in hopes of, you know, bringing

34:28 is like, it's where the fish are. Yeah. You know, they didn't do what they did to Lake Austin. They relies on what you call like the littoral zone. you just watch this really verdant, kind always ignored. Have you ever get your blood tested? No, but you wanna know, I might he'd digigglers, minnows, dig crawlers, He was just in the bait business, but also was a fish and fanatic and lived off fish his whole

37:21 Batteries of tests and one of the things they would do with them is they would tell them, they'd give them a grocery list. if I never ate a piece of fish in my life. But I lived in Seattle, right on Lake Washington, But we just wouldn't keep them over 12 inches, because there weren't that many Where Lake Washington no way That would be something I'd be interested in.

39:48 they have ways of scrubbing it now and greatly reducing the amount of mercury when you burn That's like globally distributed in the oceans and um, they've slowed down mercury 15 years ago at least. I go, four or five cans a night. What could be bad about that? where we had been in Hawaii. So we had wahoo and, and, uh, yellowfin tuna and he fishes himself on this all you can eat sushi during the course of his cruise and generates like,

43:01 And RFK Jr., I had RFK Jr. on the show, on our podcast, and he had had mercury poisoning. I don't know, but I can't picture, Well, there's no cases of There hasn't been a case of it jumping to like a mole or something like that There's a term for it where you would release these, but look, this is kind of alarming. Like there's been cases where there was one night long where they were looking at people

46:24 Yeah, and so it's like a certain number of people It was first identified on a servid research facility in Colorado, Montana and you, we keep every year we add like without fail every year we find CWD in states where it didn't previously What it used to mean to be is if someone was a CWD denier before, it would be that they to lose deer, right? Like if it's always fatal and you have infection rates of 50 or 60 percent

49:35 have eaten for CWD positive deer man I couldn't I can't I'm like I couldn't, I can't, I'm like I couldn't serve it to my kids. No. I wouldn't eat it especially prion diseases like mad cow, prion disease jumped people. You know the debate So that's what it is? It's scary. It's not that they're I'm not saying the egg world is complacent I'll just cook your deer meat longer and I was like what I came out with is you can't cook deer meat to 1,400 degrees

52:57 fear for a time where you couldn't bring anything. want to speak for Nugent, but from his idea of being overblown is his idea get spent on finding out if this can be a real problem or not. all these, yeah, and so that you'd move these resilient deer into other populations They haven't got but that's the other thing is this it was over a decade ago it'll become harder to produce big deer. I worry about that and it'd be easy to

56:52 you do see population level impact from CWD. where when I look at a deer, Ooh. Oof. but I think last year they had close to 50% of bucks. remember, at Doug's place, these have this slogan, Right that if you have you know 40 deer per square mile you're not demonstrating a lot of success I'm not wrong and this is generally absolutely true. You can't go to a

1:00:41 Not from that. Right now in some areas particularly the lower 48 the northern the northern states of the lower 48 between wolf depredation and and Texas. But that's cock I have moose in Texas no no I think it's mixing up two things, but it says that there's up in the high country. That's very hard. Ticks. Yeah. But RFJ Jr., he believes it. I think they just make money doing research

1:04:39 bizarre engineering of these things, during the great slaughter of the buffalo, I'm no pathologist, You think so? Yeah. Cause I mean like also now For a good reason. I gained a new skepticism by them. And we're going to have so much liability that we're not going to be able to make manufacturer They are sociopaths. They act like sociopaths. They lie about studies. They lie about side effects.

1:08:47 Yeah, some things like if you will know it can take a take a natural thing like giardia how to make any of this medicine. You need to take Remdesivir and everybody was dying what actually happened during the COVID crisis. I'm also super skeptical of the It's like the people that were yelling at everybody else, This is nonsense. You can't be wearing a fucking mask. This is crazy

1:11:49 So one of these dudes that pushed a person like masked, but you don't think anything of it. Because it seems like, how can you dictate to someone by that you can just kinda like, six years ago and you saw a dude with a mask and a hood on, you might be like, the hell's his problem. You'd be 70% less famous. I got spotted a lot when I had a mask on. With your mask on?

1:14:19 You need to get. Yeah, lean back. So they might be just picking you off by your seating position Also, there is yeah, there is a moving back to that Because they were getting so many people getting robbed. So many stores are getting robbed, and you could never catch the guys. So what are we doing? Yeah, I view like I'm a little surprised I remember you were having a conversation with JD Vance and JD Vance made a comment about

1:16:21 how could you legislate? No, I mean, skirts is just a choice. Am I going to be pissed off at Hannah Gatsby for dressing up like a man? used to be if you walked into a bank with a mask on people would freak out a vape. So he took a big hit of a vape, he put a mask on, you're blowing out the virus. This is not good enough. I forgot my master. What do you want me to do? I the same goddamn thing. Like what are we doing? Can I just?

1:19:24 Like no one it's not about whether it works Like every now and then, I'll go through my closet, It was one of the things that Sanjay Gupta brought up brought up when I did that podcast with him. Like you sell masks on your website. I go, what, Fucking crazy. The whole thing was crazy. It was really weird. It was like a psychology experiment on the whole

1:21:21 it's a bunch of humans out there and for pharmaceutical drugs. advertising budget comes from pharmaceutical drugs. And don't you just It's like, ask your doctor if such and such. What frustrates me already is it's going to be impossible to explain it. Like, now I can't, and go forward and see how it is told later. Maybe Jamie can look it up for us. What's the term

1:24:53 are reading someone's analysis explaining, You missed the point like do you notice that everything you read we know a lot about it person has no idea what they're talking about. objectively without that. about specific things just based on and probably gaslight you a little bit no I don't have like sure possible I don't picture that being the case. Well

1:28:14 You could distort the information that people would And the moderator of the event, it was like a Q&A or a chat. of, it's always gonna be representative of input, right? or cutting edge about what's going on in the world you have to start being more careful Well, you know, they thought about that Mathematics maybe? No, no, no. this ain't good. I don't know what the hell was we were at the ice house. It was the whole setup was ridiculous

1:31:55 and thought it was stupid. It's real now. Because you have so many opinions on things, you get an expert to sit down with you for three hours and put their phone whose name is Randy Brown. And then did it. And him and his friends are living their lives in all these like line cabins they got strung Oh boy. And they keep telling him you got to go somewhere else and they say you got to leave here.

1:35:57 He takes off into the woods. The next year, he takes a different route Starved to death. Does he have a responsibility to do that? And it brought up something, because I'm Told a few people, but didn't really know what to tell them. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and they never know what happened to him yeah there's no you know he's from Canada yeah came 1970s calling himself

1:38:45 crazy. He wanted to get an honorary doctorate. And like once he and his wife had kids, he I thought about it all the time for a while. okay? Hudson Bay, then they go up in the, they're kind of north of the treeline, but they're in a timbered able to find his journal. But it got so bad that they're like crushing animal bone, which Like you scrape away the hair,

1:41:33 cause that bone fragment, Everything else rotted away. but when you starve to death, all this stuff is actually going on, and they're famous for it, it was so crazy, like, like starving out, like it stuck with him, you know, and he's walking a long time he spent in the bush, he talked about the guy that struck off and the guy I mean there's no way you'd have enough ammunition even with a pistol you're

1:45:08 The various guys live in the bush would kind of come in there and use that reloading station and that John the Baptist dude from the Bible, I think John the Baptist starved to death. And like, he's known as Etienne Brule, boiled or whatever, you know? Beheaded. top on my project sure please well I'm working out with Mo, who's been on the show before.

1:47:23 and we've always kept in touch, And then Mo and I got joined up on this and of it. And I think that people think about the Donner Party, for instance, just take an example. everything I've ever thought about it, half of those, more than half of those were kids. subgroup off to try to go get help, a lot of the people died on the way of trying to Yeah.

1:50:23 realize that, and then following that up with reading that book No, it's a survival story. I mean human beings look like it's like those And they were waiting in the spring for the the ice to thaw and it never thawed They mostly ate people that died of natural causes, but at the time there was no prohibition, Filming and Donner Pass we met these people and they're saying that these guys were doing this thing about places named with Christmas names

1:53:17 Oh, it's like a whole little trailer It was full of beaver pelts. It was full of about like six tons of beaver pelts Yeah, I don't think he's got it. Wow yeah wow the burden of the burden of proof on finding the Griffin is is hard He makes his way down, he winds up being the first European to descend the Mississippi Looks like you could refurbish things.

1:56:22 The lakes are so big. They're so big. So you got dudes that are out there just identifying wreck after wreck after wreck right now like rogue people and you're also at that time the French are duking it out It's like our boat. Whoa. Yeah, it's flying under our flag. And our international treaties mean that that's our boat. It is, man. but then the hurricane, like I mean like passed right over it, so we didn't get to

1:59:49 Okay, yes. Yeah it makes sense in the last one. that glacier every spring they go there or sorry every summer military goes to the foot of that glacier, every spring they go there, or sorry, every summer, they go to the toe of that glacier and they're still identifying, But on top of that glacier is all this orange paint, orange paint spots. into that glacier, the glacier would have spit it

2:02:39 to back, back down in the morning. Like, you know, it was pretty quiet that day. that your helicopter's gonna blow off the glacier? You know the noise of all that ice moving says moving all those rocks and everything it just grab pulverizes stuff as you see with that but it's like, you just all of a sudden are like, but you're also in there just thinking like how

2:04:47 So you're down there you can hear water running everywhere. into the glacier like a V. down the threads, it can melt the thread out. But I know that he was I didn't know those suppose that he fell into a crevasse I'm not sure but I think that was the story that they feel like he fell like he was I think it's called ice man. No, I remember that they read they bring a guy back to life

2:07:44 He like is hanging out with people and then you know the ice man who really wanted to watch the Indiana Jones movie. she's like the hot woman in the movie And just, every single person even kind of involved in that whole production has those teeth. Yeah, yeah. John Jacob Astor that is so crazy crazy. Yeah so he was a German, European powers were like jealous about the wealth Spain was pulling out and

2:11:15 What and became involved in what we now call the mountain man area like when you hear the term mountain men Smith, what they were producing they were producing a material that would be used big part of their range but nowhere near what it was at the time. You know, the whole continent was shaped by beavers. probably a buckskin pan, right? So our whole term with like when we say a buck,

2:13:46 the headwaters of the Missouri, and when they come back to St. Louis, like one of the things Indians to hunt fur or trap fur. They didn't trap, like the English weren't themselves trappers. They hired these big groups of Americans out of the colonies, the former colonies, because when they caught those Beavers, there's no need, they didn't want the meat.

2:16:28 of people taking shit that wasn't beaver wool and trying to pass it off as beaver wool, first ship is so crazy. Like he was building that ship to transport kind of ended in 1840 if there's a time the market collapsed if there's a time There used to be an idea that's existed for much of my life, Land Bridge with no idea that it was a bridge. once they moved into what's now Alaska,

2:19:34 the first Americans like spilled out by finding these super old sites. 22,000 years old? Again, yeah it's clouded in the picture. There's a lot of the when they thought it did. and when this and that corridor and land bridge is open currently oldest like ironcl iron-clad, absolutely accepted, academic consensus accepted the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

2:23:29 first group of people to like to see a continent yeah you can't even you know came into a Europe that was populated by Neanderthals, perhaps other hominids. They Pete Huston But man, there's all, there's this theory called the Solutrean hypothesis, which is that that northern Europeans came over much much like ten you know ten plus thousand You know, the people we now, like if you refer to now

2:25:46 And when was that? and they found this thing that looks remarkably that were cut and moved somehow in this particular way. Yeah, well, there is some people that think it's man-made and there's some people that think it's natural but it's leaning much more towards that are filled from volcanic activity. That's the guy. when and how? Yeah It doesn't look like the same stuff from the video. Okay Is that a fake image or is that the real image? I can't tell. That you know what? Yeah

2:29:25 In shit are all there so there was some human occupation in this area. The question is like, was this And they've recently done work on like stable isotope work. but Heffelfinger and Meltzer. You know, they probably found them and scavenged them, you know, and, and, and explaining away like me is gonna be like yeah man mammoth hunters right right you know and

2:32:15 archaeology lab at Kent State University, and they gave us all these stone tools some mammoth, you know, you find a mammoth rib cage eroding out of a riverbank and and clean them where you're not messing up the bones at all. So now you have a extracting the tongue. And I even thought that. I went to SMU and have caused it. What he wants to work on next is they want to do an ostrich.

2:35:01 I don't know, but it just goes to show like you look at stuff, question, I do happen to stumble across a fresh dead mammoth yeah that's interesting and cut Right a mammoth never seen a person Yeah. could probably just walk up on a lot of shit Some bitch stabbed me. did encounter when they first encountered North American wildlife I At some point, you'll go down 10 feet into some pond

2:39:00 Is becoming like the realm of the side like the the lab scientist, you know what I mean? the whole site, right? You just washed everything away They'll stick some little stick down there but he got pneumonia. Oh okay. So he's coming on in February. Oh, yeah, he comes on the show every year He was supposed to be the last guest this year, but he got pneumonia. Okay, he's coming on in February

2:41:01 Yeah. It's like if you had La Brea Tar Pits to yourself, man. and found them in the East River now. That would be a great episode for your show, Yeah, it gets a little, yeah. know people are familiar the Pueblo be like, you know, for people not familiar with the Pueblo, it'd be like, basically, you know, it's akin to a for your work. We're gonna do studies on him.

2:43:45 You know, cause people move all the time, right? But when you're talking about bones You know, think about how much time passed. in and hauled their ancestors out. So they blocked it all. and the contemporary ink and people's, the kid looked like you stand up and walk away. Really? Perfectly preserved. Well, here's something that he found. Oh, I got it.

2:46:43 That's from the boneyard. Let me come on and plug it. That was 12 years ago. It's always good to have you. It doesn't seem like it. Yeah, but it was 2012. Well again, appreciate your generosity, especially appreciate it.