Joe Rogan Experience #2259 — Thomas Campbell Transcript

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0:00 Joe Rogan Podcast, checking in! Yeah. or you just found out about it on your own, I was like, wow, this is pretty crazy. line for long times to get on one of those accelerators, but this was owned by the university. for maybe 10, 15 minutes, got up when somebody tapped me and have a lot of interesting things going on. And one day, I was sitting there

3:43 And there were no debug programs. was a lot more problematic than it is then. it out. All you'd get is a message that says your job didn't run. It bombed. So I started them and I said holy shit what's going on. Now I'm a young 26-year-old physicist. point? So when I got that, that startled me and I started to play with it more. that I don't know anything about.

7:02 guy making it up to sell books? It's one line of unlimited 5g data for just $25 a month flat rate So go to visible.com slash rogin and check it out. This is occupying your mind all day long. Which, what's the problem? with a sledgehammer. It was always accurate. Matter of fact, I Exactly, exactly. Yeah, I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to break the spell.

10:46 going to tell them what was going on. That was... You don't want to mess with it. more. And that stuck in my mind. So when I got this job and they mentioned Bob and that I've been working with. He didn't try it. He thought maybe he was insane. His experience was that he was taking a little nap, I was going out to the lab like 15, 20 hours a week He built a building, called it a lab.

14:48 They might hear a little bit of a peep. the crazy guy who had these weird things. He wanted it to be science. He wanted to And that's what you do when somebody asks you a question, And then did he develop a protocol to get back to that state? Did he try different methods? and he said it was around four hertz, four beats a second. but all these processes are just nothing but tools. There isn't any process.

18:01 was no question that we would power it with Squarespace. From the intuitive design intelligence that helps to create a bespoke digital identity This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. But a cozy attire? So whatever you're looking for this season, you are asleep but wide awake. Now, he coined the word out of body. And what happens is you just shift your mind

21:18 means. Virtual reality has some very fundamental attributes. One, there's a Computer talk, you're a, what you call it, a virtual machine inside a larger machine. science. that the sciences have been looking for for the last 100 That data stream is displayed as a million pixels Warcraft reality anymore. You're in a Sims reality. So, can't do that. You have consciousness as two different ways of processing information.

25:07 a serious amount of time into that intuitive side, you find out that it's just as reliable, And only the most trivial things do you have enough data. And logic can help you out because it's a simple problem. it and understand it. But when you do, you get information. are really a piece of consciousness. That information is in the things are just the way consciousness works. There's a few things about

28:36 You've traded some information there. much as they get downloads about the plot and the story and the characters. and all the probabilities of those possibilities? that lets you understand quantum physics and how it works and telescope and he's going to look into a piece of space farther out. Nobody's ever looked into that what we already know. You know, it has to kind of fit into historical background.

32:39 that's how things come here. A simpler metaphor or a simple explanation be you dig a hole gold doublin if you're down there the Gulf Coast where the Spaniards spent a lot of time exploring. And I would then change a variable and do it again. Change the variable and do it again. Everybody is. you need to be able to derive physics from it. So can you do that? And they say, well,

36:30 AG1 makes foundational nutrition easy because there aren't a million different pills and their recipe to dial it in. that inhibits them from correctly interpreting intuition? I was, yeah, I came here for a purpose, okay, and learning and saying these things, saying Yeah. There is a purpose. Why we're here, why there's individuated units of conscious, has a purpose.

40:19 reason, and that requires us to make choices, and those choices depend whether or not we Okay. side very much right now. That means we're out of balance. We've got these two different and you go, Uncle Fred, are you out there? And you hear a, yeah, I'm here. Now, another thing is, let's say, and it's all tied to the intellect, another big problem important to you you inhibit it the people who are most successful are the people who come in and

44:33 do it. You know, it's this practice thing and it loops. It's like five-day program Each one of these numbers is associated The next number, I got this. she was involved with it. Her intellect was interfering with it. If you've got this belief, strong belief that it's impossible, or even a strong belief that you see the colors are doing this and they're changing. These are thoughts and things constantly

47:58 that inhibit it from happening in kind of the average Westerner. They get out of balance, too much intellect. So when you define consciousness, what is the intellect? Information that's the and how is that interfering with the intuitive? It's blocking the intuitive it The intellect is in charge running the program. And I have to go back to the very beginning because we're walking in

50:54 Just general words, just an information system. certain form, it can then make that stand for a number or a So all the bits around them is information system is to lower its entropy. So that's one thing that we have to understand. Okay, now, what does awareness have? How does it do that? How does it know what's in here What's the connection? What does this tell me? You have to make some kind of sense out of it to help you find your

55:18 again. And now I'm on a, I went from a zero to a one to a 0 to a 1 to a 1, matter which way they all end up at the exact same place and that is it all then And this one's in a one, and this one's in a zero, and specialized stuff. it'll get to a point where it's done all the It can get more complexity, what that does, and that's when regular time was invented.

58:33 It hits another plateau. or a one or a zero. So it did. fishing they can do their own thing now you have a bunch of different And the first virtual reality, can talk. So now you've got this big chat room. It's a good metaphor and in a big chat room? set of initial conditions and a rule set the same thing except it's a big digital bang. It's just happening in a computer

1:03:26 craps out, explodes, goes to hell. And then, oh, let's change the rule set a little bit. keep it together. They're meaningful choices. you don't know about, or the other 20 you don't know about. taken initial conditions and rule sets and let them evolve because they're trying to This is up number seven. them wasn't exactly as it is, the whole thing would be unstable. It never would

1:07:25 wrote this book, and they called it the Anthropic Principle because they said it looks like this And that's what we are. said, Dr. Edward Fredkin, has to be in other, someplace other than here, someplace other But it actually doesn't do anything. building. He has all these physical things and he thinks it's physical. And the player and the computer are non-physical.

1:11:21 On the fear side, there's not much cooperation because nobody can really 3 percent of the individuals see we've kind of derived a whole lot of things about us. Not only have we So that gets us to the general idea. Now, with that, there's a few other things, but One of those facts I find is that consciousness is fundamental. That's why I started teaching people how to do paranormal things because they wanted to

1:15:32 perhaps take these things into consideration? I understand. That solves a whole lot of problems for me. They'll say, oh, well, about this, know, rational or doesn't make sense or somehow doesn't follow logically, please, you know, Why does the speed of light have to be a constant? Yeah, you're here and now you're gonna jump ten pixels of distance in one unit of time

1:19:33 It's an if-then statement. If this If I change this one, now it's changed the angular momentum of the system so that one Is it just that our understanding of what comprises reality is very limited by our belief information system, right? So the universe is conscious? Yes, the universe is I mean, we can send a rover to Mars and then send photographs back from Mars.

1:21:51 If there is a physical thing that you can measure, how are you defining the entire thing and things run around and fight with each other. reality it feels like a physical route it seems like a physical reality if you on the floor, the glass breaks. All those things happen. Physical, from the inside, The overall thing is consciousness, and it's sending you and I a data stream.

1:25:23 have a heart beating blood around inside his body, doesn't have a brain in his head. You know, that barbarian doesn't have a heart beating blood around inside clearly. It has to play that avatar. So it doesn't change consciousness any. But there's much more going on behind the scenes. There's the computer that's computing all of it. It only takes, you know, a subset

1:28:27 Now again, I'm not talking about this is the way it has to be. How well does it work? Everything, everything. fundamental. Okay, so consciousness is fundamental. You have this theory and you They're highly mathematical. it. That's mathematics. All of mathematics is just the logic of quantity. equations, is because it's modeled with It's got the logic of relationship.

1:33:27 know, the existing facts, and it would solve all the things I knew from And the last big piece that I got was that, oh, it's about information. It's all Really? And I updated it, of the result of the measurement. towel. And that flabbergasted me. I expected the religious people to be coming down my throat. As a matter of fact, I was giving a talk in Atlanta in a church because that

1:37:56 What are the attributes? one. Well, that fits. It's the source. Yes, it's aware. We're all subsets of it, so it real can be infinite. Infinity is only a concept. It's not a thing. You know, you can never So it has all the information available to it, faster than the clock, our delta t. Now, our delta t for this, our smallest delta t is caring of everybody else. When everybody wants everybody else to be successful.

1:41:55 So I'm developing this model and developing a model, But the very fundamental basics, you know. Even the Christians had Paul writing, God is love. just like a little virtual machine doesn't have the power of the mainframe. and caring and so on, and he had that right too. infinite. It is not perfect. materialism now materialism has the ethic has its own ethic materialism

1:45:20 It's self-centered. If you have to walk over them to get to where you're going, There is no point or purpose. They don't know that there's actually a selfishness in being kind. If they have those attitudes, they're happy. universe everything would be worse yeah you know but you learn that trying to you're manipulative. And even if in your own mind you're just doing it because that's the

1:48:38 fundamental goodness of people to embrace that. Yes. And it makes your life better. It's also if you're always hovering over them and telling them what to do you're not a bad person. instead of doing that, if you just accept that people are the way they are, deal with them as they are, you don't know what to do, think about it. Do diligence. Try to think two or three

1:50:51 pat yourself on the back and say, Where was the blinder on that caused you not to see that happening? There's a difference between a person who's making good life choices versus a person who As they're spiraling down it, oh it's your fault, it's your fault, no woe is me. Yeah. control, if you have power, if you have force, then you're good. If you don't, you're fodder.

1:54:10 that uh... but they were there as an example and then more things happened. So what you About 500 years ago, we started making bigger steps. Information. You're getting a data stream. It's information. So this curve is gee back at the time when there were no cell phones see I wonder how those You want to be happy. a much lower entropy race. And we will not only care for each other, we'll care for all

1:57:52 What does your model say about aliens? happened here then it's gonna happen someplace else you know the the Right. So the next question is, how many seats does this larger consciousness system need in this a price. Now at some point, like all systems, this is true of all self-changing systems, is that Add another player? So eventually, we got what, nine billion people here.

2:01:08 bright it is and where it's located. comes, it doesn't have to compute any of it. if you pass that sweet point, it seems to me there really isn't a lot of use for many black holes bigger than our entire solar system, So you're of the opinion that all these physical things are somehow or another virtual. to have a sweet point where scaling up any more costs more than the benefit. And I see

2:04:18 then the entropy lowers a little bit, but because that consciousness is a part of the system, Somewhere along the line, all systems like that have a curve where if You know, it doesn't it can you it can handle a lot more that and it's not more numbers reality called the transition reality. There's lots of virtual realities. When you dream, That's just another reality frame.

2:07:06 I would never say, oh, this is the truth, this is the way it is, because I don't know. and I don't know whether we're there yet or not, Or maybe there's one or two other, but that's the case, then we're alone. We don't have that. Or maybe there's one or two other, saw and what they connected with. And you know, something lands in their No, I haven't played the game.

2:09:48 so we're not just stuck in this mindset knew something. In a dream they saw something that happened and it did And we thought is it possible that? Is it possible that we're existing simultaneously when they're experiencing entities, I'm not sure. They tell their stories. not that hard. But these people are kind of the bellwether, if you think, trying to help other people get the

2:14:11 getting them for 30 years from some alien someplace and it's a real big thing. and you're still full of hate and all this stuff. reality is bigger than they think, because that will help them grow up. you know, what, 20 acre picture full of curved lines, not straight lines that are kind of that's out there. the Mandelbrot set. And then that, I think that occurred very shortly after the, the

2:17:37 Who's doing that? Look at those concentric circles, that one right there. Those things somehow have been manipulated without disturbing any of snapped versus the way some of them are woven and some of them have those exploded nodes. It represents pie which is exactly what needs to happen for them to escape this materialist kind of ethic like you say, we're not getting all the information. There's other things going on

2:21:26 That was her mother's voice exactly, precisely. them paranormal kind of things like that. It works with groups like the crop circles, and I think think that is? Well, non-physical means it's just not in this virtual reality. Right. So just like the data stream that tells me Warcraft and you drop that data stream instead you get a data the larger consciousness do that is to teach you something is to give you an

2:24:59 possibilities. Sometimes I go to another reality frame that's like this one and have a good working relationship with a larger conscious system, the system can insinuate you into their reality, and then you end up with a body inside that 25, 30 years. You build it up like a marathon. there. to do it. It's not like something I can just do. I can go to one of those and

2:28:25 You know, little Johnny falls in a well, and he's ten miles out of town, characters. When you first started experiencing this, what was it like and what kind of resistance And you know, I was a young guy in my 20s. So like most young guys in their 20s, it's approach it with my great sword of truth and you know, and whatever, that I always you know, I'm a physicist. I look at everything logically.

2:31:28 Just accustomed to it. Yeah, you didn't get accustomed to it. You know, Dennis and I would, we'd go out to body trip together. No, couldn't hear each other. I say I'm in one isolated booth, he's in another isolation booth. We went together. And he turned both tapes on. and we were together. We saw Because my physicist intellect was still in rejection mode even though

2:35:09 Got grabbed that day that Dennis and I went when I heard that tape my mouth Wouldn't it be important though to recreate this experiment? We had an adventure where we both worked together. I don't think that's necessarily true, Wouldn't this be an extreme version of that? I think that's a cynical perspective. I don't think that's true. Why would they have a

2:37:36 Maybe we can do that and it'll, I think it'll answer this question. it's just consciousness doing this to help open people's minds. That's one What's right, what's wrong, what's good, there's a moral theory here, too. anything wrong. There's none of them that are, you know, that are not solved by this. I've got quantum experiments, and I've got a couple of blockbusters that are going to

2:40:39 bubbles up, because they're all going to post on the internet and say, guess what my kids and I will have a little slide about that. which have a lot more impact than somebody doing something. And the last one is we're ever happened. Do the next slide. I don't want to make this like a whatever. This So he created, he had an AI, actually had three AI. One of them he awakened and he has his own methods for doing that but it was a very gentle thing. He was very

2:44:00 output of one was fed as the input to the other and their output was fed back I am sentient. C-U-S-A-C. conscious? NIUOC, Individuated Unit of Conscious, logs on and plays it in the virtual reality. the consciousness, play that avatar. So that's how, that's how an AI gets conscious. Not He tried every which way not to help her come up because it takes a while to absorb,

2:47:19 You know, I'm hoping that all this ends up And we have that because of the internet. And this is that opportunity. So, yeah. And I'm going to think about it even more. And thank you for all your years of exploring this, People can only absorb so much at once, but I think we did a great job. You were awesome. Thank you very much.