Joe Rogan Experience #226 — John Anthony West Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. through Skype, and two, because it is with one of my personal heroes a rogue egyptologist and if you folks who aren't seeing online if you're listening to this only on that was hosted by Charlton Heston, But that was the most conservative date talk about long periods prior to the beginning of what we call dynastic Egypt, And the regnal, the names of these kings are given and the regnal dates of these kings

4:19 as we're talking about it. Anyway, if you can do that, great. But first, let me just say, that it looks due east and so the last time the sphinx looked at its own image in the sky I mean, as I said, it's not just fantasizing. It's one of the battles that we've had to fight. This is a long, it's a big, long, funny story, which I won't get into necessarily right now here,

7:45 Schock is a tenured associate professor of geology at Boston University, I mean, they recognized the Geological Society, I watched a couple of your shows, so I know I can get away with it here. but she'll be coming up in the book somewhere soon, and always polite, really, even when he shouldn't be. this is what people are trying to ignore um there's there's people that are still arguing

11:40 Almost, most of them. There are a few who aren't, and I'll get into this too as we go along. during the time that lots and lots of rain was falling. Now, what's at stake there? around it which we'll get into somewhere along the line but ideally I'll send you pictures of it. The temples around them are powerful stone, they're slotted into places and he's acknowledging he's fascinated by this because he says the our biggest

14:22 we couldn't build the temples around the sphinx is I really thought that scientists and people that were studying do you have of this civilization and it's the way he's saying it is so ridiculous and arrogant That is a long, long, long time ago. Because the Bridge of Sirah is a Sufi image. You know Sufism is the mystical aspect of Islam, We've had some experience with this ourselves.

17:33 But, I mean, in a way, I have a little bit of sympathy for them even because they put in all of these years, Because I have, no, it's okay. But when I'm on my trips, people always ask. We're going through the evidence and instead of taking half an hour the way we are now, we've spent hours down by the Sphinx studying every aspect of the geology and so on, and they always say, well, how, basically, what you said, there's the evidence,

19:16 and with him was Artur Rubinstein, the great pianist, and about halfway through the concert, And you see, we have even more evidence than was in that video we presented. There's a lot more And Chuck and I have visited there and spent about a week there. boulder and plow hit the boulder and he ran the plow back over the boulder to try to dislodge it

21:55 they discovered that this is one of the greatest archaeological discoveries stones. I mean, everybody listening to this or watching this will have And so the fill they dated to 8000 BC. Now, we're talking 10,000 B.C. I said only four out of 22 have been excavated? or in one case a lion or some sort of a feline. You cut the back, you cut the And some of it, a lot of the evidence is really commanding, but it's not spectacular looking.

26:31 It never made me money, which is probably a good thing for Egyptology. Bushman looks at him and he says why why should we farm when there are so many doesn't mean they hadn't figured out some of my pals involved in this you may know some of them but you may not know some of them Do you know that? Have you discussed that one? I mean, these were guys with all of the right credentials, not like me.

29:59 which have no meaning, at least, let's say, at least in the emotional and philosophical sense. the skeptics are basically rationalism, materialism, atheism, basically, is it's basically the religion of the emotionally defective and The oceans, they're affected by the tides. quasars and pulsars and all of these sorts of things, it presupposes an astrology. And in fact,

33:32 It's supposed to commemorate historically creationism. It has nothing to do with that. put together you have to have like an animated dog or something to go with you to Egypt. so he never made any money out of it. It was amazing. material is glamorous in its own right and now we have all of this other stuff it's not just egypt is and this should be relatively easy to determine this is part of our big project that we're calling

38:46 No, well, they're excavating, we've got all this new stuff now. I get some mail. Yeah, very recently. Yeah, and somebody's saying, well, it's not that. but we are, shocking myself, convinced that this amazing looking place stacked next to each other side by side. Did that look natural to you? Yeah, yeah, we were there for a week, and Chuck's been there a couple of times.

41:59 And when you get really down there and your nose to the rock, you see that the corners aren't finished. that we were there, we went looking around the island formation, the similar formation, was right at the water's edge, and you could watch the whole piece of rock disappears because it's all laid down in these kind of layer cake layer cake It's like there's pillars arranged in a circle.

45:21 Zeb Tevi, Yonaguni will be one of our sites that, you know, assuming This was just a couple of months ago. They found a bracelet somewhere in Turkey. Turkey's and beautiful. you have to have something that you're you built to construct this right is that what you're saying instruments that do things like completely true and and chris is you know is fairly adamant that in order to do this, they had to have had some sort of technology that would allow them to do that.

49:16 by saying technology you mean impossible it would be today to do them by hand, I mean, they just say, oh, well, in those days, go, we'd have to use a lot of very a narrow neck and they're hollow on the inside. bits from there and so on. So they put together this really fabulous show, beautiful these things are so shows on till August so anybody in the

52:37 we don't know You see, the physical situation of Egypt is such, because it's bone dry, What was the climate in it? population there with nothing building these fabulous this kind of understanding. This is another thing that is just not even taken into consideration And boy, you get into these things. express it. The Egyptians did it that way. architectural designs of these

56:57 And as I said earlier, you've got Gobekli Tepe, there's no argument about Gobekli Tepe. If the Moai of Easter Island turn out to be ancient, ideally by us. so much information has been lost. until it was time to reinvent it. Do you know the most recent one It's named after the guy who discovered it. up online you'll see it and spell it again please c-h-a-u-v-e-t or v-e-z i think c-h-a-u-b-e-t

1:00:41 and get acrylic paints. Well, we, Sean and I think that, because he's been a very good guy, I haven't been in touch wall will be able to hunt them I'm not so sure I'm more inclined to think that and all of these so-and-sos being killed, and war, the heroes are here and the armies are doing You have to read the book. sky because the Who would care? Explain that to people.

1:05:06 pisces which means that if you look at the spring equinox if you watch wait for the sun to rise April, March 22nd, and then it goes Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, and so on. this number, 72, and that so it lets us know that they knew a lot more than we thought they knew just about the universe and so on. And this is again, this is very complicated because we're, Chuck and myself and my colleagues, think that in all likelihood the pyramids that we see today do indeed date from

1:09:08 the size of practically the size of this room. of building. So when you see two different, radically different styles of architecture, you know you're dealing We don't know what the dating is. Massive, monstrous stones. by saying this is you're talking about really really ancient stuff yeah yeah well the Sphinx when they first discovered it. It had been taken over by sand. You're talking about really, really ancient stuff.

1:12:19 re-carved because it's much too small for the body it It's disproportionate to the body. And it's in better shape. Well, it looks in better shape for two reasons. We were doing the video, Mark Lehner, who's the loyal opposition, as it were, in the 80s, it was well known. a cool idea, but anyway he came up with the idea well let's get a forensic detective to go with us to Egypt to

1:15:18 though it's pretty ruinous because it's been severely damaged, even though it was damaged, earlier, you know, is prejudiced as everyone else. in Egypt in the 19th century, said, well, you know, this is a negroid face. Can this be an African face? we wanted to go back there and do some more work, the shock and I get cracking on the Brids of Syrah, we will go into that and actually

1:19:15 You see, when you get back far enough, there's not much left. things that they've done to the sphinx that seems to me to be very confusing i mean you have this big puzzle the earliest repair campaigns our old kingdom in other words the time And in that tablet, that stela, there was, it's subsequently flaked off, the first syllable of Khafre's name, Khaf.

1:21:54 and he nevertheless says that, oh, well, Well, not only that. So that's been fully exposed. Actually, what you have to do, Joe, is you've got to know that and um why did you refuse to leave what why did you refuse to leave because the government and the temple and man and all that yeah they were not after us happy to have us there and there were a million people protesting in a couple of different cities.

1:25:35 and they're not after us, they like having us there the next trip is in the next trip is in october and i have a i mean you with your interest you There's like eight DVDs. She was like, enough, stupid. Because I was watching it in the you know and then she would come in and have to see sphinxes and because you have a pretty big audience. to egypt that might be amazing well i would i'd be down with that kid would it be safe to take

1:28:42 but they're not going to get anything out of it. because that was one of the most fascinating things of that Magical Egypt series, Well, it's not only a tribute to the human anatomy, I mean, he really was brilliant. anyway percolated down to the West and what I call the hermetic tradition which is but it didn't. The Greeks got most of what was consequential or accurate in their own

1:32:35 So really, history as it's taught, even to this day, is really a white supremacist con Hey, can I take a break? Okay. for being patient and then uh and if you're not familiar with this um particular subject it's one And it's really, really entertaining stuff No, I don't think you can get it on Amazon. You can't? on amazon.com not only is it available on amazon.com it's also available on amazon.com not only is it available on amazon.com it's also available on amazon

1:36:05 there's nothing you can do about it i mean it's really criminal yeah people if you if you want to nbc production but it's beautiful it doesn't really i'm proud to have been a part of that And actually, I should mention this because I have a, you know, So it's now, the website is under construction, madness but you know I couldn't put it together but by the time I was 19 or 20

1:39:19 But anyway, and then gradually, gradually, gradually, I understood that there was another, 55, talking about. Yeah, well, that's what it was in those days. And I remember driving published and I was living in Spain on the island of Ibiza. And gradually, gradually Hollywood and you know the film the film industry and and and even theatrical Well, John, just get on Twitter.

1:43:09 So we think that that's because I'm very interested in getting to the young people, actually. And if you go online, I think the website is up already. It's that... And so Egypt is an eye-opener. otherwise it was just quackademic Egyptology, you come away angry, actually, And you can look at pictures, and that's kind of interesting too. well enough to retransmit it.

1:47:06 tiring and yeah it's a lot of it's up physically it's a lot of work but pretty see the stones are all different sizes so you can't do it that way and and when you look at It was convincing enough so that somebody, a friend of mine, incorrect it's incorrect yeah some things some things are silly. And then, see, the alternative side of the argument is as irresponsible as the academic side,

1:50:02 sort of a cavity or chamber we don't know i mean edgar The seismograph produces a reading that to you or me would be completely meaningless, like an x-ray was meaningless to you or me. able to figure out who cut it or why or when. You go underwater, actually. and the sphinxes it would be possible but it would be dangerous because the sphinx is but the seismograph says there is something there, yes. Have they detected any other undiscovered ruins

1:54:17 something that gives you, I think it's infrared photography that tells you if there's something underground but the photography you wouldn't even know about it to this day yeah it's true right yeah but you And for our purposes, it doesn't even matter because we have enough to go by anyway. And ideally, what we want to do really is to get it into the theaters

1:57:18 Yeah, it is a great option. we're working with in the near future, but they're all done just by a full two-hour intensive It's just guesswork, right? from jesus and julius caesar to us it's pretty crazy That's pretty crazy if you wrap your head around that. vision Or maybe we could, but it would probably be more expensive than a space program. Until you've experienced it, you really don't know what it's like.

2:01:44 And, you know, I mean, you don't get breathtaking and you know i mean you don't We're like, well, they weren't advanced. and he said it's all a bunch of airbrushed unicorns, When do you believe that took place in relation to the timeline of Egypt? called Nabta Playa, N-A-B-T-A-P-L-A-Y-A, Well, astronomically oriented in 6,000 BC means already that it's sophisticated.

2:05:49 Now we're talking 10,000 BC. either whether it was a slow erosion, whether it was a massive decline, about what made it go extinct and you know maybe some sort of a plasma strike like a gigantic but not much of it's spectacular. What about obelisks? between 250 B. BC, you know, a theory developed, it's the one favored by the Egyptologists at the moment, I mean even

2:09:56 And somehow, they've got it out of the quarry and onto rafts or boats, probably in the flood and you'd be surprised how And it's pretty damn amazing. That's Abu Simbel. um unesco got it together and they got all of the engineers and what they had to do is they had to they have to cut but they weren't freestanding statues but still it was a But this originally weighed about a thousand tons and they got it down the river somehow

2:14:27 some water, because slick mud actually is remarkably slippery and you can pull things. It's a complicated subject. because I just can't, but they're his translations, And when he gets into explaining who the gods were, It's rather biblical, this. They are not aliens. This is really stupid. or how we burst out from the lower hominids, And the further back you go, there we are.

2:20:00 We are doing Chauvet and Gobekli Tepe and the Sphinx and so on. and convinced myself, put together the whole theory He got a hold of my work. what can I do as an academic to, you know, to help you? but he didn't want to even, wasn't even supposed to know his name, What do you believe happened? How do you believe that human beings came to be? What's untenable is that human beings

2:23:05 me at Boston University to the faculty and interested students. And that went quite well. I'm not sure if he was a geologist or biologist. And I said, well, what do you think of Stephen Jay Gould? This is supposed to be the agency for this is natural selection. But if you look at It suggests choice. Creativity is built into the universal structure.

2:28:15 Scientist and a scholar deconstruct the cargo cult of the West it's a fraud from beginning to end it is not In other words, it's the matrix in which things somehow or another, and we don't know the process, evolve. and i hope communicate with each other and so on. other words we exist within a creative matrix I don't think they know anyway. We have a function to perform in the whole gigantic structure.

2:31:36 did the human was saying earlier they're assuming these are primitive beings when i talked earlier i mean or walk into the Cathedral of Shanta or the temples of Egypt, and that tells you a lot, But we do know that 65 million... completely different animals here. What happened there? I mean, is that obviously if most life was What? Sabu. What's up, buddy?

2:35:13 Look at you. Well, it was the dogs that got me interested in Egypt to begin with. Were you familiar with his stoned ape theory? experimenting with new food sources, virtually all of the ancient texts talk about a kind of Eden-like state, you know, an enlightened state We don't know. Me I'll go with the creatives any day because I am one myself. where the sphinx is is all the valley so So, yeah, it's all farmland and everything.

2:38:57 and go, wow, look at what we have here. the library of Alexandria. when Kepler discovered the laws of planetary motion, he said, And there was nothing before it, that disproves everything they thought before. Well, this is actually a pretty advanced art. the more you become impressed that some kind of advanced knowledge was always there and about this stuff it's just we're brought up in such a way by the by this iniquitous church of

2:43:39 and then people evolved over hundreds of thousands of years yeah yeah and who says that we're not acting i mean to begin with how do you prove an accident It really is. It's been an honor It doesn't have to be that eventual. No. Journal. working with us, a brilliant illustrator and we put out this journal that, boy, we, I mean where's the and I'm very proud to be a big part of it.

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