Joe Rogan Experience #2260 — Lex Fridman Transcript

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0:00 So, Jamie, what was your question? There's only one way to find out depends on how long you hold it in for In space officially officially, but unofficially, of course people if I wonder if they have I mean how monitored are they there is a For Jeff Bezos the likely way to colonize space is to have space stations. I don't know about all that. I mean, I'm not that trip. But yeah a trip you go eventually no why not? Oh, dude. Why would we die out there?

3:00 Why did I do this? Allegedly double digits. We don't even know how many well cuz they think he's got secret kids rocket ship on it officially says at least 12 at least 12 kids see no one Jack stories about Hitler. I think that's right yes that's it uses until you know that you could tell these kinds of stories about Hitler? I think that's right. Yes

6:13 follow the law and They followed that, and this is very well documented. They use fear as part of the the military tactics, right? Yeah This is a very strange perspective. So that's kind of rapey. That's very rapey. Yeah, so but there's a are descendants of Genghis Khan. with Genghis Khan's. a pile that they recognized as snow-covered mountains from the distance.

10:10 and I'm not a scholar of Genghis Khan I was simply saying that it's interesting Ukraine and Russia like how many people have died all told between the two it's got to be close to a million So three-quarters of them on the Russian side. say is that the medical capabilities, so the medics are really strong on the and interviewing Zelensky? I've been there many times.

13:08 how much Roman Empire, Caesar, and these folks are venerated and Genghis Khan is seen as A lot of my family was slaughtered in armada and that this the surreal aspect of all this is the same land you And the way Hitler of course approached the battle and so the Stalin is nobody surrenders. It's there's no This is like imagine it's because recent. Vladimir Putin and I'm aware of the risks, I accept the risks, and the

17:37 There's this huge optimism, this belief that we're going to push back this gigantic Russian And there was this real sense that we could, peace. land gradually. So the third time to make peace is now. The Trump administration, there's squarespace.com slash Rogan to save 10% off your first website or domain purchase. There's a respect. There's a fear. There's you know

22:09 difference and that's a very unique position that he's in where they're it's rough, man. It's a horrible war. And it's a war that's so confusing over here, Forget about like who's responsible for what, but just like how I should say that I believe, Well, a lot of this is about diplomatic rhetoric. And yes, NATO was consistently talking shit Simply at the negotiation table

26:00 at the negotiation table. The in this war for the death to end one of the things I kept pushing in an almost childlike way was Zelensky is You have to be open to negotiate because unfortunately this is the motherfucker of peace is you have to compromise Now there's an opportunity where the Trump figure rolls in who wants to make peace So meet with Putin, meet with Zelensky.

29:29 and the United States economy for being able to control oil prices, being able to control It's more like jerking off with a condom on. all of this, this is a language he's not Stylistically who he is. Scoring touchdowns is key to winning the playoffs and you can score big by betting on them at DraftKings, and use the code ROGIN. or text HOPENNY 467369.

32:58 You never know who the who the leaders are that step up I? That's a that's an insane thing to do. It's nice when, it was refreshing. Ukrainian digital system, which he did very successfully. there's uh... See, I want to be careful here because I don't... You've had a lot of guests on this program elections were suspended too, the ideas of democracy. There is censorship in

37:05 Everybody has to be focused on this the problem is it's a slippery slope difficult trade-off. The United personally corrupt. This is really important. Like he himself is not personally corrupt and he's That is his strength and that is also his weakness when it's time to make peace. When you are preparing to do something like this and you are, you know, you're doing your

40:03 is going to sit down for three hours and talk to an American So you get a lot of that. Yeah, and then unfortunately for you you read the comments so you get sucked into all that negativity Almost like in the desert wanting water positive. far in that territory assuming that anybody who criticized me is a bot no FBI analyst who estimated that it's on Twitter alone. This is before the purchase. He believed it was around 80%. So 80% fake accounts, 80%

42:49 It's it's a very confusing landscape There's definitely large language models that are involved in this back and forth with, you know, automation Because there was the big concern And so they went with 5%, which is just ridiculous. Very active, very influential. See it's all active. because I think it's bad for your mental health. I really do. I think people just barking at

46:23 more I wear my heart on my sleeve Good sophisticated people. They're just acting not their best selves like I've seen this And this is why they want to conflate and they always want to pretend that everyone's the most awful things about other people that have different perspectives. That's totally possible. If you can do it in small groups of people, you can do it in enormous groups

49:38 of their emotions recognize that and they're not going to take your perspective seriously. It is good to be humbled by that reality and if you are humbled by that reality then you're not going to That that symbols in churches that symbols that symbols been around for a long fucking time Well, let's look it up. when this symbol was created. Like this is bonkers. And they are all in, digging their heels in, pretending, just trying to win this conversation.

52:45 Well, that's how you do it. but he also has, he can put on his Jerry Springer hat on too. be actually facets to that person outside of this ridiculousness that's interesting. of like smiling, never raising his voice, The way he handled it was remarkable. but like This is the thing that bothers me about comments is I don't read them But like I don't know my mom will read them and she'll she'll text me something like don't listen to what people say

55:38 The tattoos, specifically, I did not make the allegation that he's an extremist. In the US Army, called him out as a potential insider threat. When the lady talks it's even more brutal. It's genuinely painful. A woman hasn't spoken the knee for Donald Trump, putting our national security at risk for Pete Hexen. I am telling Click on where I missed the whole show. It's an hour-long show. Well, I'll talk to me and click right there. I'll know where it is

58:18 The tattoo in question that not only are not extreme in any way, for the US military in his book. That's pathetic. Okay. So you Okay, you're gonna speed hex up lying that he's too extreme in his book in his position that he wants to be in. Being able to communicate ideas as the Secretary of Defense and a Fox News wanted to release me from that NDA,

1:00:46 she tried desperately to meet with Joni Ernst Pete Hexeth has written himself while at Princeton saying that women who are passed out, if you This is definitely not a good format though. No salt well at least they're letting her talk is an old Christian cross. It's not just a random cross that that isn't just a random phrase. It is a phrase the phrase That is not true. It is phrase

1:02:58 Emperor asked for help from the Western Pope because the Seljuk Turks were Those lands... listen I can go all the crusades but the point is I can't do with Pete Hexeth If you want to talk about the Crusades being... Another time let me bring Dave Rubin the worst way to have conversations is where I mean I'm getting the headache from this Yeah, I mean, what did he actually say?

1:05:53 Unfortunately, the panelists never cited any legal definition of rape. There's a giant difference between the two of them, right? Is he like 50? with alcohol is a famous thing that people do. I don't know what else was in the text. He published it. I'm just so exhausted that's exhausting both like other things that's wrong with both sides that right there is crazy because I

1:09:26 And Negrano had heard that. Obama repeating it at the campaign speeches and then Obama sitting right next to Trump and they're joking around with each other It's their strength in that it's better than digging your heels in. There's strength in saying I not proud of the way I formulated my, for the fuck of it. In the beginning of it. Genghis Khan. each soldier had five horses, so four spare horses with them. So imagine it's five hundred

1:13:14 That's the genius stuff and a lot of people including Dan Collins say that's the the greatest military in history So they were like one of the only civilizations to ever pull that off No, it's all that like they don't have like when do they start shoeing horses? That's a good question pulling a hundred and sixty pounds with your right arm or your left arm like

1:15:48 All war is hell. almost an evolutionary requirement because we slaughtered each other so much that if you wanted your genes to pass on especially with the child raping, It's an old culture, Deeply admired Genghis Khan for this the freedom of religion and he didn't just say freedom of religion it's freedom of an individual to practice any religion they want which is a

1:18:35 men Head dresses and which is you know, they could floss a little yes excited about that exactly new rules the love of his life who was married to him for his whole life that he proposed But they did do something that this says here. They use some sort of skin to cover it They were fishermen. narcotic aspect to it because of cat because the widespread use of this

1:22:12 Right by the way he appointed his kids because it was usually based on kin, cracking down on the whole rape thing. So yeah, well will Jamie'll find out it's so you have to it's very hard to do and it's not apologized for these people society. I think we're better. There was no medicine. One of the really powerful things he did is protect merchants, people that traded.

1:26:16 Kievan residents killed them and that's where the you break the rule Sometimes that's one of the reasons why I like to talk to people subject comes up in the middle of that and then you like of explaining that had you prepared something. create like a psychological framework where I'm not affected by the internet. But he was like, their opinions of me are not my business.

1:29:27 I know. Like what, for me that's a little bit of a tricky thing. I've said this before, I'm only kind of joking, on YouTube videos that I see, dull-minded people that Love everybody like it's your brother. That's that's what he wants. That's like, you know, and if you follow that but that they hate most of the time, between two people. the first thing I want to know is

1:32:42 You have to kind of steelman it. at least on social media, one person's trying to win. Yeah, I'm a huge part of the problem. You're don't get me wrong. I mean you're a human being Even the Ukraine war footage, which is is horrible what it's doing is giving you a more nuanced version of the world and Twitter replies to registered accounts Tom cigar I sent it to him today.

1:35:58 Every day someone's getting run over by a truck. This is his wounds. Look at his face watch this show his face He's a bad motherfucker. Yeah. Paul. He's a bad motherfucker I can't show the video, but he sent me a video of an uncontacted tribe that he discovered. Yeah, did he send you that? Yeah That's why I don't know if we could even talk about it

1:39:06 Unbelievable man they're living like they they were living 20,000 years ago. thousands of years and they're living at the same time as smartphone addiction Yeah So they would be studying us the same way we're studying these folks same thing, you know There's certain people, I haven't met many people like him yeah, he's just he's uh A really nice guy.

1:42:58 different than like the Amazon rainforest. Their life is a lot different. Stuff starts crawling on you pretty quickly Yeah, meanwhile don't women have a much higher much higher. You know is the highest redheaded women. Oh that explains a lot They had abusive dads they had people that beat them up when they were young He laughed at you when you were on your back.

1:45:59 Shot him with a bow and arrow. Meanwhile, he lived like into his 60s the son of a great man. It's tough. It's tough. It's a hard road I mean you have important it is to feel the pain of loss and to feel like failure and to understand that He was talking about the pull of as you become They want to spoil their kids. They go too far in the other other direction yeah it's not it's harder to be a strict parent I

1:49:29 If we just look at it in terms of just like the sheer numbers of human beings they sent that's that they killed everybody that was involved in it. There is no Like he wants to be in the exact same level sleep on the same bunks no admirable thing. And if you know, that's the thing if people have always said the number men to die in these unnecessary wars.

1:52:32 If you really feel the pain of soldiers you may make unwise decisions in terms of under rubble. The most recent estimate was somewhere north of 60,000 people and how many of them are kids? Like what's the Yeah, how many of them are still alive now? It's one of the most secure countries on earth. So then October 7th comes and then all of a sudden, now whenever you have any sort of military engagement, any sort

1:56:03 of it, they knew it was going to happen, happen they knew it but they wanted an excuse to raise Gaza Like 40 minutes with Donald Trump I think you're so skilled and like compassionate, just like it's fun. It's fun to talk to you. Like what is happening? Do we know why it happened? whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

1:58:48 How about just make legal immigration easier for poor people that are trying to get over here? Like if you can get here, you can actually make something happen. You don't yeah, you don't vote, but you don't pay federal income tax like that Well here's step one. Ramp up the fucking education system. Jesus Christ. At what point people into viable pathways that maybe didn't even exist when the education system was structured because things have changed so much in the world

2:02:09 What's better out to the rest of the world and? You should. There's still a kind of sense where? This is physicists used to be a Soviet Union will get a lot of pussy about Feynman There's no one scientist that's a groundbreaking research of theory of relativity where everybody's He wasn't an obscure name. because there's so many of them. video games constantly.

2:06:37 and engineering the machines like Werner von Braun was. rather, they bought Instagram, right? So they have Facebook and Instagram, right? And then The crazy thing about YouTube is how effective it is right like YouTube is need to be like this this fucking thing exists Well I mean you probably want to have the best shit on your phone if you want people

2:09:09 You gotta pick your battles. that drives me crazy is the 30%. And I don't envy it. They don't censor left-wing views you know isn't breaking points are they on rumble I? Is there like a bunch of different? Microsoft tried to do it. It didn't work? Twitch is still. I watch video games Kik took off. Yeah. Just didn't stick. It makes total sense and integrating into X.

2:12:51 Yeah. What is that like? sell their fucking hand soap. When I go to my YouTube feed, they're right every day. And we had a whole meeting and stuff. Did you use AI to do that or did you hire people? see the numbers, you could see how they write to me personal messages, how they, uh, you and nothing excites me more than competence. vibrancy and kindness and everybody is excited all that kind of stuff. Anyway

2:16:35 I got, I mean, we had very little time to do this, we had to do it really rapidly, but and then he says fuck or go fuck yourself, Like I just did Beat them on the hands, slap them on the wrist. if translated, could do a lot of damage. On the flip side, it makes it accessible, especially They were really pushing it, and they were implying, hire more and trust everybody involved and turn it around

2:20:31 you have to take it seriously. And one of the things we learned really quickly is you can't just get any Right. and which ones to emphasize? So this is where 11 Labs is really incredible but The timing right and AI is pretty good at doing that not perfect and you can what if you delivered that speech like Hitler? They can change all of that and they can change specific,

2:23:39 know different rappers and country western songs and go to this restaurant. It's his voice crazy and so There's a huge responsibility with that and I think that's why people trust a particular podcast and so on. not and how to talk to him interested in doing a podcast. The members of Hamas who are not in hiding All right, you're not gonna be in a position where you can criticize them

2:27:19 lot of people hate you. When I talked to him in August, a lot of people were Minister Netanyahu, but there's quite a lot of people outside that don't, that don't love After steel manning the Palestinian case say well listen word like this tiny country that everybody's shooting rockets at He's just so... That was definitely a wall. Are they doing that while they're in the middle of this conflict?

2:29:52 I mean they have to walk a tight rope Love to dive into the false flag narrative because they find an incentive And then there's real ones that we know about like operation Northwoods didn't happen But they really did sign the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed hard to know what's what. But the same organization that did the whole pager thing, the sophisticated

2:32:30 Is it launching live? Yeah? It's live. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, hope it doesn't blow up back suck But and now Bezos and Ilana Homies again, Homies, they're expressing platitudes on Twitter. going to the inauguration perhaps are you unfortunately yeah really 2016 is like this existential crisis that the media just blasted into everybody's head It's more of an inspiring event.

2:35:29 It says 37 minutes. They all say 37 minutes and counting. That's when I typed it in that's when he was bringing up you start getting all sorts of crazy shit anything yet. They're boosting the algorithm Did he? I want to debate him. Would rather focus on modern-day conspiracies. What you don't want to know if they fake the moonland. Are you crazy? And his analysis, this is like 1964,

2:39:01 Everyone's on the moon. I wonder what that's Grisham the What's his answer to the Van Allen radiation belt. There is an answer I think, okay, this is from me looking at Wikipedia There's so it's like a doughnut. That's's what it is the intense band of radiation is like a donut Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's also Can you imagine like sitting at a table with a bunch of generals and this guy comes in with a cigar?

2:42:47 nuclear weapons. Like most people think it's like a fun TikTok meme. You'd say, listen, maybe I'm going to be the fucking Davy Crockett of Mars, and then years from now this will be a mall. He's got a great theory. As it gets into that Goldilocks zone, where Earth is, it peoples. And then he thinks that way to exist off of some other form of energy

2:45:35 I mean, it's not as credible. what it is is it's been remineralized by all the earth elements and so it's it's 4.5 billion bunch of eggheads with wild guesses. I'm going with Terrence Howard. I think he's right It was a good conversation. You're talking about super complicated math and he's showing it You know, like you're talking about like Yeah, but I think this theory that he

2:48:33 but that's a really open question, all for asteroid impacts. I mean yeah young address impact theory that's very They fucking happen, and we're not prepared. Imagine that. with the timeline for it to be ignored. I mean, it's a pretty accepted theory now, the Places that were covered in ice are now raging rivers. race is to try to get intelligent enough that you can do all these different things, but

2:51:45 We hope we get it right, but we might not get it right and I think out there in the universe gets destroyed. And people adapt immediately. Like the tough Local look very you got a band together but like it's really is a tension of because it's not collectivism you from that if something happens. And this is something we're not prepared for. We're religion, the freer the people are, the more resilient they are to the terrors, the catastrophes

2:55:11 You have to have a distributed, the size, and the bureaucracy of the federal government. You want them to be mobile, agile, and their version of it and what actually happened. Then, you know, what the FBI did with the Twitter files, I think it's courageous. I think he had to do it too. I think it's both things. Facebook's not like that. It's like people talking about stuff and posting videos and things like I

2:57:51 That shit's huge. It's huge. It's funny when Elon gets community noted too. then other people are going to decide. You remember punch a Nazi, what people saying Going after him for like you get arrested. Yeah. Yeah, because there is legitimate terrorists talking to each other on Telegram, but like in all kinds of ways. You think Tucker's lying? You got to get to the meeting, bro.

3:00:28 you mean so all that is Korean thing yeah hundred not just screen recording That's not what they wanted with telegram. They wanted a legit, like, full on back door. They had access to his phone. That's actually by the way why you know I'm going to Ukraine going to Russia going back I wouldn't tell you. Drunk texts. Well, huh for hanging around with comedians, so it was was like late it might have been late 20s early 30s

3:03:08 You gave them a little rope and they hung you with it. Well, I'm still horrible. I'm worse at poetry now, but like that was embarrassing that I would be publishing Christianity, is forgiveness. There's no road to redemption. Everyone is ostracized and That's what people think of when they think of like the worst. to dogma, even if whatever this idea, this ideology that you're pushing is clearly, clearly

3:05:40 that no one believes could ever exist. when it's two that kind of shit like the people that are just far off the rails that's going to My concern is those folks who are now looking for a new religion. There's people like that on the right Yeah, I think Mark Andreessen. no more immigration, mass deport everybody, minute what is it do you guys want labor? Are you trying to get like super skillful engineers from other places like what are we asking for here?

3:09:01 Look at all those carbons being emitted into the atmosphere by people who sell electric with the UAPs? Do you think these motherfuckers have some new shit? Well Goddamnit What are those things called? You know what I'm talking about, Jamie? I need more. Keyword or something. Venture Capital. type dudes. They're working on some high level shit and they branched off decades ago and that they've been working on this for a long time

3:11:17 They probably found some crash things Like this is maybe I wouldn't be focused on us. Let's assume that Terrence Howard's onto something. bro, I Bro. Oh, that's right. That this gigantic thing that's size of a skyscraper is gonna Have you seen the guy who takes the flat earth people to Antarctica where they can see that the Sun's been around and like oh shit

3:15:33 Stage separation Face looks kind of more around to me. What is this? Oh my god. So you would would you ever fly on one of these What do you think would happen if Did you got a touch? They got a touch? Yeah a little bit just a touch I Yeah, what do you hate America? Look how cool that is, man? Wow, they're focusing on it now from a distance Fuck yeah.

3:20:00 Wow. 140 kilometers away. Look how much bigger it is than the Millennium Falcon Oh, that's another SpaceX one? That's so big man Peace on earth. Good wood to all. Love you brother. Love you too man. Bye.