Joe Rogan Experience #2263 — Gad Saad Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Hi, daddy. read me something? This is from my son just before I came on the show. Hi daddy, I was And they would say they love my podcast. we were more exposed to things than our parents were. 14 year old then the loss of innocence my parents had as a 14 year old than the loss of innocence my The only difference across the four types is that the Belgian malinois has short hair,

3:00 things. It's just that we enjoy the position of being the person that So my son who's really? I mean, he literally will sit with me, watch, God, I didn't know anything about politics blissfully, That was kind of all I knew about politics, like Russia bad, United States good, Russia Yes. and depending on whether, so there are four possibilities, both can confess, one

6:18 I think an intellectual should be very broad thinker. He can both discuss mathematics or economics or game theory. I mean, I was impressed with myself But you can't speak with people who are four years older than you so you end up being crazy Like what's the big deal? but my parental regret is that we never taught our children all of the languages that we speak at home.

8:52 Well 99% of America's I agree. They don't even master one language barely know English So the ones I came up with, and you'll add to that, No? No. Fitness isn't just about what you do in the gym, it's also about your nutrition, but even and are intentionally picked to work in sync with the whole formula for optimal impact. But the thing is like saying it like that.

11:19 from all over the place. Like you hear in other parts of the state, Like New Yorkers, like if you're in New York I was gonna say that you're gonna get me in trouble because I think I mentioned to you last time that the biggest trouble You should never, you should always be consistent. And so he has an amazing quote, which I use in one of my earlier books, in The Parasitic

13:43 Which, as you might imagine imagine is a big obstacle for me you will see you are up shits creek. I think I think these people are bullshitting me. I think these people are fully incompetent Oh, and then he said, I didn't do that. but Biden kicked everybody out. And then there's fucking chaos everywhere and a probably a bunch of terrifying shit that most people don't have information on but you do and all sudden you have this

16:19 know I think that a lot of people have this wrong impression of President Trump I wanted to be able to talk to her as a human just have a conversation with the I know there's a human in there Do you, I mean, obviously you've spoken to thousands of people for three hour chunks. And so they can't establish a flow, right? It's a dance. That's what I want.

19:14 but I'm willing to take that chance for the joy of sitting and chatting with you. But if you're to pay, or the fact that you can measure your end-to-end online performance with powerful Do they have whatever it is that allows people to be comfortable and have a conversation? I bet she's a lot better, everybody is. want to talk about it like okay let's talk about ghosts What do you think about big fuck? I'll find out what you're about

21:30 Look, that's the sport model from Bob Lazar, from being a hunter for 12 years and spending a lot of time in the woods and It's like a box of Q-tips. It's expansive. They do it all the time. comes in and then I kind of have to accept the fact that I can't believe this Now why is that important? and available information before we make a choice. And so what I did, so to answer your question

25:47 This was done on a computer. And I was tracking the cognitive You might have used another process And so my model really explains how we make decisions across a bewildering number of cases, the Mazda and the Toyota, that I've hit that threshold, that I'm sufficiently convinced And some people use what's called So one thing I did, it never got published

28:47 It's not I'm going to kill myself, but my wife left me, my dog died, life sucks. dysphorics, by virtue of them being helpless and apathetic, life sucks, will actually 16 out of the 17 I got no effects, right? God, gorgeous study, beautiful design, beautiful. was hounding me because he's a super wokester. I couldn't believe how much he certainly the scientific community should know about it.

31:56 the new year. It's powerful, matching technology works fast to find candidates for your role. There's also a feature that lets you invite top candidates to apply for your It's a giant hurdle. don't be married to your ideas. are just like everything else. academia rewards them the media rewards them, the media rewards them, that they cheated. Because, I'll give you an example.

35:41 where he wasn't yet ready to kind of cast the die. But guess what? It doesn't matter because we're going to reap some benefit from that. and what happens to men's testosterone So my testosterone goes down. And after each driving condition, turned out to be vertical, but the stuff after you see what the data results are. It's awful because we rely on experts.

38:47 Actually, I'm going to, I'm giving a talk at one of the universities here in Austin and I don't mean that as a haughty thing, They're not Leonardo da Vinci. And so that has disappointed me because sort of my fantasy And so that left me with a very... that didn't have cancer. which is so crazy to think that. Exactly. Or because it benefits you, or because if you don it's the right thing to do. Exactly.

41:42 It's, I mean, the tsunami is devastating, but it's a one bleep. relax I don't hear any drums and you're like dude I heard drums I mean that's But they fell into the trance of trance T-R-A-N-S. doesn't align with your ideology. Well, so I have some good news, not phenomenal news, Yeah, so that's wonderful. So it's not just about me. You know, University of Austin here

44:35 I only peripherally know what's going on. they just admitted their first class of 2028 fully accredited. And the idea is to return and George Washington and James Madison wrote, And if they pull it off, what a great thing. they're saying. that's true I think I think I've read this that Ronald Reagan at one point in I'm not sure if it was during the McCarthy era,

48:03 He's an expert in so many things. He's a generalist. You know, Joe, many of the biggest scientific I've lived my life as an interdisciplinary, but we don't train our students to be this way. interested in making me an offer is to build something that I've long dreamt of, who's a, he recently passed away, a Harvard entomologist. that evolutionary theory is the meta-conciliant framework

50:26 Okay, so Darwinian literary criticism means So in other words, there are six, seven, eight key evolutionary templates have thought of. So architects usually are trained in how to design buildings to minimize were placed in a room with a window and the other half were placed in a room without a window. You could use evolutionary theory in consumer behavior.

53:38 the motivations of human thinking and where do we trip on ourself? The argument is that many of, and I know you're very interested in health, so I think you'd So whether it be colon cancer or diabetes or heart disease or so on, what ends up happening But then when I do get the game, Often ends up with completely different medical interventions You know one of the best ways that people have found to sort of mitigate the effects of that is to only eat protein

56:42 like, I'll go in, I'll go in, But if you can get past that trick Every now and then I'll eat a cookie. It's tiramisu, it's delicious. This is for passion and love and a glass of wine and good conversation with friends and And if I just eat that, my brain operates better, Like I'm not, I don't search for thoughts as much or something like that and I'm tired,

59:16 it? I think if you're morbidly obese it's probably a good idea to do You can't be that big. I would like that, but goddamn that's hard, especially if you're so far down the road I keep this thing going. because it's too fucking hard to get back. You're not gonna see any results. what's the ratio of the speed? Well, it depends on what you're doing, okay?

1:01:47 Are you getting enough sleep? I fucking eat everything that's there. what are you doing to mitigate this So here's the thing though. Your body starts to eat itself. when they're on Ozempic, unfortunately. Maramoose? into all kinds of areas. color M&Ms, or you can create a bowl with many colored M&Ms. That colorant, objectively speaking, I wonder if people that are colorblind

1:05:10 Coloring, you know what that means? Sure this to warn you from exactly because it's saying, hey, idiot, if you could see me, Yes, right. or consumer decision making. pasta so it doesn't change anything but I can give it to you whatever it's called Fussela because it's just a bag, it's not a fake Ferrari. It's worth it. Do you know that the upper uppers usually, and you've met many of them,

1:08:29 They're camo. And for many other people who are in my circle, Therefore, the way I can then compete And I paid $180 million. I used to go to LACMA, the LA Modern Art Museum, Like what you're doing is bullshit. Like one of them was a video of people playing catch. So I went to visit him, and so he was busy teaching So then this other woman comes to me, says, how can I help you, sir?

1:11:34 And what do you think she said? And one of the pieces was a block of wood with a box of nails and a hammer. of her mind that she's a charlatan? and starts talking about like, you know, you need to treat him better. How about playing herself? She just starts screaming into the microphone He like explains what's happening in his inimitable Bill in Montreal did you know that I did not know yeah I did not know that it was

1:14:34 Somewhere in the 80s. I mean, that's what I love about our conversation. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I would do it at your speed and just bring myself to your speed and just move around with you trained at a very hard gym and we in kickboxing we tried to kill each other and so there was wars Now I think people are much more concerned with CTE, brain damage, the longevity of a

1:17:05 And then let go as soon as the person taps. that you both could get hurt really easily. Like, a body's gonna hit me in the body, So instead of blasting through someone and punching them, than you mean to because they move into something, Technique is everything. with your right hand, you learn these things try to kill each other, because that's what we used to do.

1:19:23 I just want you moving good. I want head movement I just want you covering I just want you moving good I want head movement I want you to be an although I just turned 60, by the way, in October. I mean, there's a whole bunch of workouts you could just do online. No, who's that? so he's both power, but also, Do you know who Dean Cain is? So then he tells me, go on YouTube

1:22:00 And he's trying to catch balls that they're throwing. agile and mobile because he's doing all these different things. Look at his body. You can't just like do squats. You know if you want to be an amazing athlete you have to do a bunch of different things. Crazy. Who's like this huge fitness expert that you didn't know cool? Yeah, I've seen people do similar types of workouts

1:23:41 He does these incredible mobility exercises. Like when I was a really young kid. look at all this. Wow. It's all very so he's pulling on a cable machine and like No, this is super unusual. That's how good he is. he's not allowing Hamzah to run him over, in taekwondo now as well. And you've got the Australian break dancer too. That one was There's a couple of guys Richie and Gio

1:27:24 Capoeira. Yeah? Capoeira? dancing into wheel kicks. I recently had a guest on my show And have you ever seen his face? Imagine that guy teaching classes. So I really recommend everybody certainly Americans as part of your history read about Rick Ferrick Douglas 12, 13. Okay. Separate things. Oh, so I'll check it out. Yeah. And pick a book. You don't read them, right?

1:32:07 It depends on what it did. Like if things become like, lately, I have been listening to a lot of UFO stuff, a lot Did you see that movie? I did see it remember I was like 12. Do you remember the French scientist? And Jacques Valle has been involved What's your score? I, the more time goes on, the more I think You're talking about like fish? I think it's probably more complex than we can imagine

1:35:04 on. I think we have limited senses and I think that this is what things like the telepathy UFO abduction case is this ringing a bell? I don't know about the 1980s the most famous Oh, you don't know this one? No, because they sold it as the most famous, most documented case of UFO abductions. It might be. Okay. I mean, I don't know what to think of those things. I've read John Mack's book. John Mack was a

1:37:15 I and but here's the thing they all come back like no one gets abducted and gets kidnapped like what's going on I think there's dimensions that we don't have access to Arguably the best conversation I've had, which is saying a lot with a guest on my show, is and remember earlier I said that there are too many professors who are not intellectuals? universe into a computer, every molecule, every atom of the universe was a

1:39:48 I think, if I'm not mistaken, David Deutsch Do you remember the famous quote? Yeah. and they're still at the same time what the quantumly entangled photons what This was 1985, and the professor who taught me was, but it could be some other game, what's so you're pruning, so what it's basically doing that I was exposed to AI, So here's one So what Professor Newborn had asked us to do

1:44:11 before we begin playing whether Gad or Joe will win? path for five hours before you realize it's not correct. So I'm saving a lot of people alpha beta. and I will know ahead of time. Let people simmer in it. Yeah. You're never gonna get as good a training What is the minimal sequence of weighings So I could say 12 because you might fuck it up until the end.

1:46:57 Okay. two, and you, so let's say I take four. Right. Yeah, but if you do that three times, I've now done two weighings. So you have to do it in three steps So you have to do it in three steps. So that weighing gave you nothing. Right. You need three. It'll blow your, I could give a singular hint Yeah, yeah, yeah. have architecturally speaking, do you understand what I'm asking?

1:51:08 middle is one, one, one, this, the string is an odd number. Okay. Cause whether it's from this side. Do you get it? Yeah. It's a deterministic game. you're starting or you win. this multiverse explanation? So you know what prime numbers are? Yes. Okay. It's an incredibly easy property to define. brute force someone comes out with we now found the largest prime number ever, but it was done through algorithmic, brutish force.

1:54:50 getting at was we don't have an application for it where it's being used artificial intelligence is the incredible need called artificial intelligence, meets this other insane thing that we have developed called artificial intelligence meets this other insane thing but say in medical diagnostics, where you use an AI system, has probably seen that case from 1827 in Zambia.

1:57:14 it into a computer, it would die of heat death before this thing could figure it out and she called me up and she goes, AI program. dumping untold amounts of resources, sort of unchecked. Probably more consequential because essentially when you're dealing with quantum computing and AI It's gonna happen quick. like a really discrete jump and so we were driving we were going to a coffee shop and he wasn't he

2:00:51 hey Richard, are you sure that this is okay? I was I had my hands over the steering wheel. I led Zeppelin's plan Now it changes lanes to avoid obstructions. It's fun. It's going to get to the point where it's going to be stupid to let people drive. to decide yes or no, is a much better mechanism than to allow humans to make that choice, They wanted it to be in the hands of humans.

2:03:51 Most people are going to have the bias of saying, no, I can't relinquish control. So I could see someone slamming on their brakes and I know all these other people are going Okay, it doesn't it's not gonna see it like I see it You're not going to worry about ever being distracted by your phone I love the pleasure of driving a car. They're silly in compared to a car.

2:06:20 Yeah. because we have to drive from Montreal to Toronto. it for about 50 kilometers and then I turned it off and I never use it again. Well, now they have Cars, why wouldn't you have automated flying vehicles? No, automation. You're going to know where one is at every time, But you know, as someone who used to code Because it's a great thing to learn.

2:08:50 It was like, I think, in the coal industry. That's how suppressive. Let me. Retards in quiet circles has always existed. So I feel as though, give me a bit of credit. It has to do with a specific way of thinking. Right, you're an extreme idiot. And I've got one. What is it? Yeah, I think that is going to be a thing of the past too. There's a lot of weird stuff with language

2:12:27 I think we're getting better at it. So there is, and I may have mentioned this before on the show, I can't remember, there or oxygenation or whatever, right? I'm getting the methodology wrong, or things that I thought about point out things before they developed a written language that was eloquent like in the other version of the paper you don't do that and you ask people to judge what it's

2:16:03 know what the hell you're talking about. So I think brain imaging so far has been very powerful Right. she could have had that memory based on the evidence that was given to her when she was they were liable of not telling people about an earthquake that took place. Because the appeal. Wow. eyewitness testimony has been shown at University of California Irvine, where I was for a few years,

2:19:35 get out of jail. attention to enough of them. I've read enough books. I've read enough books on always thinks that he's smarter because the guy comes in and does his whole song and dance that people that lie all the time, they don't recognize that people can tell that they're Oh my god, it's probably hilarious. We're going to the Charlevoix region,

2:22:47 in the middle of Quebec countryside. And so I have a book with me that I'm reading. which you could probably pull it up, in Southern California. He goes, oh, I used to be a public defender in the LA County system. Then he And so I made sure to never drink and drive in LA County because I don't think I would have lasted be? And I said, was your dad a public defender in the LA County system? He looks at me as

2:26:46 tweeted it. You can find it. See, look, there's certain things where you go, come on. Just Okay, now. Because like, how is this possible? actually called Elon Musk, Elon. called Elon. What is this? This is Elon's dad? Elon's father named him after reading the book. It's common knowledge. Amazing Is this a simulation is this real? I feel like there's aspects of it that are real trying to find the year

2:30:09 This is Elon motherfuckers, you know what I mean? In 1889 novel called Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey fantastical journeys including one to discover a magical portal in Russia. it's true, if there is a simulation and the simulation, if we develop technology where time how's he have time to write fiction when this guy's the middle of developing

2:32:40 Like if we didn't live in a time of Elon Musk But do you really need me to come out with my imprimatur to say no, no, no that says bring them all home about the hostages. He's a fascinating human being, and all fascinating human beings, especially all people that are And then later when we met, Okay, fine, but I mean he's getting governments attacking him. He's getting so it's but yet. He just keeps trucking along

2:35:22 Within few days of it being maybe even the same day of it being announced And it has been and used by government and it has been used in order to enact more control over its citizens They don't give a fuck about DEI. So I've been asked in many different contexts, do you think that this is it? of the super bug that comes about Because it took 50 to 100 years for those bad ideas

2:38:42 I'm thinking you agree with that. And so they're going to be opposed to everything, He just, he is impressive. and just breaking down, like she was like, this is a country built on immigrants. He's like good at dismantling those dopey people and just breaking down, like she was like, and I use something from cognitive psychology. It's called categorization theory

2:40:25 No, I recognize that even though they're both called feline, It is, but it's again, it goes back to this tribal thing is that people don't want to whatever they're doing you're making things less safe. But nobody's questioning that there might be lovely people. And that's a cult-like perspective. Well, it's not empathetic to the, I think, 900 biological women who lost medals.

2:42:32 No, it's not. Are we willing to have all female sports dominated by men? Who believe that they're women? where I said that through trans gravity I like, what are you saying? So at Concordia, which is my home university, right? It's a human right. It's a human right. Yeah. Pauly yeah Paul Pauly. Yeah, yeah, Pierre Paul. Yeah. He's a very logical guy

2:45:18 He's great. That was like straight out of a spaghetti western. or something like that, like really, They're just looking at is like I can go after him now and this is what this is one of the major problems with social media you're not gonna have to wonder what a person thinks. It's just the whole thing is just like I don't like to do that because I don't like it's gonna sound very hippie

2:48:17 I disagree with I'm never mean to them. I never call them names and I don't I don't think it's good for you I think it's junk food. It's the reason why people don't like it being canceled. for how you view yourself as an evolved human being. You want to go after pure evil in the world? as when the stakes are so low. and of a threat and of a thing that you have to defeat.

2:50:51 retweet it and post it to you, and you feed off of it. that sat very badly with me after the fact, Call them a fucking retard, Right. So I, you know, I, we're in Austin, so, not like in a mean way calling him names, Maintaining a bad vibe with someone right right they kind of maintain it if you're still blocked if I'm still blocked and we still Blocked now. I don't know if I'm still blocked

2:53:09 we kind of kissed and made up. that made me feel better And so I take your point and I'm glad we patched, in my close personal circle of friends, I think, you know, life is short. Or something like that you had said to me. for some reason it seems more real what his name is, where he's telling them that he was molested by a down single guy. Yes Brendan shop

2:56:26 curb your enthusiasm where he was do you know do you know that he was on that? I didn't know he was and opinionated. You've had him on the show? I've decided to engage in as little of that shit as possible. to conversations online, arguing with people online, You have a hundred units that you can use and you're using 30 of them on social media whatever it is online,

2:59:06 Yeah, I don't argue with like that. I don't ever like I don't get mean ever never I don't I don't we don't even yell And sometimes you have to speak in harsh language Well, how long 15 15? Yeah, look, it's it's beautiful to be happy And I don't wanna be the cause of conflict. your opinions about me. Good luck. It's okay. Have fun. Enjoy your life. I

3:01:18 I've spoken to all the interesting people like it's yeah, there could be a point in time where I don't think about expressing myself publicly anymore. and playing pool and all the different things curiosity, that insatiable love of life that makes you open to all these know, Joe, what, what's his secret? And so in doing it for that long over the course of that immense amount of time talking to people

3:04:01 Yeah, it happens. I think my first time was 2014. Thank you, sir.