Joe Rogan Experience #2359 — Mike Maxwell Transcript

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0:02 \ Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience Showing by day. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Joe Rogan Podcast by night! All day! \ Joe Rogan \ Hey, \ Mike Maxwell \ ! \ \ Speaker 2 \ How's it going, Joe Rogan? \ Joe Rogan \ My man, good to see you. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Good to be here. \ Joe Rogan \ For anybody who doesn't know, \ Mike Maxwell \ is an amazing artist and did not just that painting with \ Quentin Tarantino \ in front of it, which is pretty fucking cool, but also the \ JRE \ logo. \ \ Speaker 2

0:28 \ Yeah, a minute ago. Yeah, so funny. \ Joe Rogan \ How many years ago was that? Like 15 fucking years ago? \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, it has to be. I think you were like on episode 10, maybe. Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ That's crazy. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah. And super fucking random too. Like I get the question all the time, like, how the fuck did you do that? You know? And for me, like my whole like art experience has just been like, make the work and whatever the fuck happens afterwards is just all bonus. \ Joe Rogan

0:56 \ Well, if the work is great, that works. You know, it's like, you have to be discovered. Someone has to find you. But yeah, ultimately, it's about talent. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah. And, you know, hard work, too. \ Joe Rogan \ Yes. Yeah. Yes. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah. I mean, because that talent really doesn't come like artists so often are like people like, oh, I like I wish I could draw like you're so lucky, like God given talent. I'm like, bitch, I had to fucking I work every day and have been grinding at this for. \ 25, 26 years. \ Joe Rogan

1:28 \ There's no God-given talent with art. There's some people have an openness or maybe an ability to see things differently than others. But when it comes to the actual technique and developing that fine hand-eye coordination and the ability to draw or paint exactly what you're looking for, that's work. That's work. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, and nothing came easy. Like I feel like there's some artists and like some creative people who they have some like \ Inert \ talent that's in there somewhere or it's like we have the right brain chemistry to like get started But like I'm still improving 20 25 26 years in I'm still recognizing \ Improvements \ . \ Joe Rogan

2:16 \ Yeah, I thought that that particular one that we just posted a picture of that was like one of your best ones that that yeah Fucking amazing. \ \ Speaker 2 \ I probably put more time and effort into that piece than anything I'd made previously. \ Joe Rogan \ Look at that thing. That is so sick. That is so sick. \ And it's like, that is this show. \ \ Speaker 2

2:35 \ Yeah, right? And what's funny, that piece was really like, all the components were just separate drawings that I had been compiling. Oh, wow. And then it eventually just kind of formed itself. \ Sometimes I just let the work do... Do what it needs to do. Sometimes it's almost like I feel disconnected from it. And I have, like, there gets to a point after like all the like prep work where it's like the painting starts to paint itself. \ Like it tells me what it wants. \ It's very strange. Like there'll be a moment where it's like, I could feel something's not right. And then like, I can't consciously think of, okay, well I need to do A, B and C, but it's kind of like I sit and wait and something tells me. \ Joe Rogan

3:20 \ Right so crazy that you say it that way because so many people including authors in particular They they talk about the exact same kind of process. It's like something just comes to you. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, and that's I've I've done a little bit of writing and I've recognized that in writing too We're like I'm telling a story and then all of a sudden it's like the characters come to life Yeah, and they start to dictate what's actually gonna happen. \ Yeah, like it writes itself eventually, but you have to do all that beginning work Like the prep work like you have to get the idea going and then once you're a certain like path in Like it starts to it starts to communicate with you. \ Joe Rogan

4:00 \ I always wondered why that's maybe that's why Stephen King wrote his best work when he was coked up and drunk Because he was out of his head. Yeah, I think he could get away from his own head. Yeah, I know that sounds ridiculous especially to sober people Yeah, don't you know what I mean? \ Like they don't want to admit that there's there's that's there's a Net positive effect of some people with drugs and writing \ Hunter S Thompson \ is a giant example Yeah, he's one of my favorite authors and it's a giant example. The guy was an inveterate drug user Yeah, he was a fucking complete maniac He was always drunk and he wrote some shit that just to this day cuts to the core of our society Yeah. \ \ Speaker 2

4:42 \ Like he was one of my all-time heroes Like I started reading him when I was in high school. I've read almost everything, I think. \ I even like the Hey Rube stuff. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Like a lot of people are like, he was in his decline. But I remember when that was coming at like... Pretty early internet, right? Like, no social media, but those little articles would pop up, and I still enjoy it. Like, I love everything that he made. \ Joe Rogan

5:08 \ Well, he, at the end, was gone. He was really gone. And McCumber, so David McCumber, who was his editor, who also co-wrote a book with my friend Tony Anagoni that's one of the great pool books. It's called Playing Off the Rail. It's a really, for anybody who's a fan of pool, the game. \ It's an amazing book about a guy whose name is Tony Anagoni who was a world-class player who went on the road with a journalist and just gambled across the country. Yeah. And did it like a real pool hustler would in the most dangerous, dingiest places playing against high-level guys for, you know, $10,000 sets and 24-hour joints in \ New York City \ . \ It's an amazing book. Well, McCumber was Hunter's editor, too. At one point in time. And McComber got him towards the end. Like, there's video of, see if you can find video of \ Hunter Thompson \ and David McComber having a conversation. \ \ Speaker 2

6:08 \ Because Hunter was just a fucking nightmare. \ Joe Rogan \ Nightmare. Never got his stuff in on time. He famously would destroy the fax machine because he was supposed to fax his pages to \ Rolling Stone \ magazine. \ \ Speaker 2 \ I love that video when he's in \ the Rolling Stone's \ office. \ Yon Winter is like, looks like the whole building's going to fucking burn down. Just panic. \ Joe Rogan

6:30 \ I mean, just try to imagine controlling a guy like that. He can't control himself. But out of that, sometimes something that no one else is capable of writing comes through. Yeah. And it was much less so at the end. It got away from him at the end, which it's going to do, though. Cocaine and alcohol, you're not going to, it's unsustainable. \ \ Speaker 2

6:50 \ At that level for that long? \ Joe Rogan \ It's unsustainable. \ Everybody i know that has done a lot of coke they at the end they're a mess it's a neurological conditions all sorts of weird shit happens yeah you can't fry your brain are you frying and these guys were frying well it's like it's the deficiency afterwards right you've used up all the available dopamine that you have in your brain and it's just like well fuck it i had a friend who was a crack addict who was also friends with my friend who ran a pool hall. \ But also was involved in recovery and Was involved in helping people's work with recovery. He was it so he was after the fact Well, he was helping people that were getting sober and he wasn't trying to help my friend Johnny my friend Johnny didn't want to help He's like fuck your help, right? \ I'm smoking crack and He was explaining to me the whole dopamine thing the dopamine and serotonin receptors just get cooked Yeah, and then you're so depressed that you need it just to feel normal. \ \ Speaker 2

7:52 \ Yeah, you're always below baseline. Right. You know, I kind of feel like I fall into that little category a little bit to where it's like, I'm just below baseline normal. \ And like a couple, like, I don't get super excited for shit, but it'll be like something that I'm looking forward to will kind of just get me to baseline. Like right around normal. And I sometimes wonder, like, I used to do a lot of LSD when I was a teenager. And I wonder, like. \ Joe Rogan

8:19 \ Define a lot. \ \ Speaker 2 \ I mean we had we had one summer that me and my boys just it was like every two days Like you know that twice a week. \ Joe Rogan \ How old you 16? \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, but also at the you know at the same time maybe that has Had some power in the sort of creative aspect to write right even even if it's just like looking at the world differently Which is just so common with? Psychedelics, right Right. Just kind of gives you some perspective that's so far removed from our normal day to day reality. \ Right. Right. So it's like I think for me, it's like, what more am I not seeing? You know, like like what am I what am I missing in my normal reality that maybe exists? But it could be total bullshit. Like, I don't know. It might not have done anything for my creativity, but, you know. \ Joe Rogan

9:18 \ It seems to have a profound effect on a lot of people that have experiences and just they'll talk about like this one. Like, didn't Steve Jobs talk about it? One LSD experience and just kind of shifted the way he thought about things. Oh, here it is. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Those tiny short sounds. Fucking great. \ Joe Rogan \ This is a document. The crazy. \ Walking around with a gun. \ CHAPTER 2 \ Finding new passions \ Joe Rogan

9:41 \ Can't even understand them. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Well received. \ I would please. \ Joe Rogan \ One of these days, you're stoned. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Turn that person around. \ What did I do? \ Joe Rogan \ I was about to piss. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Oh, I understand. I wouldn't go away. I mentioned it to him. We've got to try to get serious with him. I was going to give you a seagull. \ Joe Rogan

10:05 \ Then I made you dirty socks. You dirty, stupid bastard. I've had a whole lot of this. \ \ Speaker 2 \ You flaming ass man. Yeah, well... \ We were an hour away from that. \ Joe Rogan \ We're auditioning. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Well. \ Not to mention the first audition. \ Joe Rogan \ I don't know. I guess we're going to win it. That's going to probably be better. \ \ Speaker 2

10:30 \ Look at the computer. \ Joe Rogan \ Look at the computer. \ I wonder what year this was. \ \ Speaker 2 \ This came out in 88, so probably like 87. \ Joe Rogan \ When did people first start having computers? \ When did you have your first computer, Jamie? You were younger than me. Mine was later than that, though. \ \ Speaker 2 \ I had, like, Windows. \ Joe Rogan

10:49 \ I think, was our first one. What year? Like, 95? No. We had whatever Windows was before that. 3.8 or whatever it was? 3.1. Is that what it was? When Windows 95 came out, that was a big day. It was a big day. I remember. You could do stuff. Cd-roms. I got an \ Apple \ computer from CompUSA in 1994. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, I think I was right around, like, 97. \ Big-ass fucking thing too. \ Joe Rogan

11:15 \ But my friend Robbie knew what to buy. My friend Robbie, either he worked in computers or his brother worked in computers. So he took me to CompUSA. I had no idea. I'm like, what is this? \ \ Speaker 2 \ My mom, she worked in a computer lab at the community college in \ San Diego \ . And she was like one of the first to start using \ Apple \ products. Like everything was PC in the spot. And she knew like something was like getting ready to pop off. And she was like, Like she had the first \ iPhone \ , like early, like those fucking apples that, you know, it looked like a TV from the 80s. \ Joe Rogan

11:52 \ Yeah. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Just weighed 600 pounds. Yeah. And actually like got into graphic design early. And that's kind of how I started doing some, because I made art my whole life, but started doing some design, like learning how to actually use the fucking computer. And now like I learned. \ Joe Rogan \ What kind of programs were available back then? \ \ Speaker 2

12:10 \ Photoshop \ and \ Illustrator \ were out, but it was like one and two. Wow. Yeah. And she was in there and taught me how to do it. And then like, I still like do graphic design, but it's like, it's from like, I still use the techniques from like 1999. \ Joe Rogan \ Wait, it kind of shows you that there's a lot of like untapped comedic talent in the tech industry because memes were one of the first forms of new comedy that hit the internet. \ It had to be by someone who knew how to work the old school photoshops yeah so you had to have some technical understanding of the programs you had a few it was probably people that were using them already you know they were graphic artists and they were like fuck this guy let's make a funny meme yeah because i mean before before that you had to do everything by hand it was kind of like Cut and paste and like... \ \ Speaker 2

13:03 \ Yeah. And like... Different techniques that was everything was by hand when did memes like really funny memes first start appearing i had to i feel like it has to be like 2000 99 2000 the internet meme oh here we go concept 1972 right. \ Joe Rogan \ But internet that was that book that he had right the selfish gene it's what was wasn't it in that that dancing baby was coming up yeah that's that i feel like that's the earliest The Dancing Baby was the first? \ \ Speaker 2

13:32 \ Yeah, from like a TV show. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, yeah. A terrible animated dancing baby. What year was that? \ Bro, that's the stuff of nightmares. If you're in the woods, you see a dancing baby that looks like that. The Uncanny Valley dancing baby. \ That would be so scary. Imagine if you saw that in the woods. \ \ Speaker 2 \ You would have to punt it. \ Joe Rogan

13:53 \ Bro, you'd have to run. If you kick it, it grabs ahold of you and bites you like a worm. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, but what if it runs like fucking 100 miles an hour? \ Joe Rogan \ Well, you're going to find out. At least you'll find out. Actually if you run it's worse because then you're tired and it's probably right there watching you You're just trying to catch your breath. \ Yeah, and you see it's a little bit standing on your chest No, no, no It stays just far enough from you that you think you have to run if it's really trying to scare you It doesn't want to jump on you and once it gets really close for a long time. Yeah for a long time So where's everything out? You want to wear it out? \ Like that's how you do it if you're chasing a person You don't just run up on them. That just spoils all the fun, right? \ \ Speaker 2

14:34 \ Isn't that like the old school hunters too? Just like chasing a pack of deer for oh. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah That's why human beings can run so long, but that's a different thing. They're overheating them. It's that's called. It's called persistence hunting Yeah, that's why there's so many amazing marathon runners come from that part of the world because like these guys have a history of Literally running animals to their death, right? \ \ Speaker 2

14:58 \ Who had to figure that out, too? Who's like, well, I got five miles in me. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, let me just keep. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Shit, I need 10. \ Joe Rogan \ Let me just keep running until this deer stops running. Like, how would you ever think that a deer, you would eventually catch it? \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah. Especially if they're so fucking fast. \ Joe Rogan

15:13 \ They're so fucking fast. Like, how would you think that one day that antelope was going to get tired? Like, how would you even have that in your head? Yeah. That it couldn't just take a break? It's going to be 300 yards ahead of you like that. \ \ Speaker 2 \ I love those thoughts. \ Joe Rogan \ Take a break, catch its breath. \ They didn't even know that it's the issue is the animals don't have sweat glands. So they overheat. \ \ Speaker 2

15:32 \ Shit. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. So we have sweat glands. \ \ Speaker 2 \ And of course they weren't biologists. So they also didn't know that either. \ Joe Rogan \ Well, that's why we're so weird. We're such a weird animal. \ And then our bodies really can kind of adapt to different climates and they self-cool and regulate. Like some animals, if they're outside of their climate range, they're fucked. Yeah. Like they're in deep shit. Yeah. You know, like Marshall over here. \ Where are you, buddy? Oh, he's right here beside me. \ We have to, you know, if we're going to exercise in \ Texas \ , we have to do it in the morning. Right. Or we have to jump in the pool. Because, you know, his body's adapted for cold. He's got this crazy wool coat that he wears everywhere he goes. \ \ Speaker 2

16:12 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ It sucks. But for us, man, we can, we sweat. And they figured out, I guess, a long time ago that these animals, if you just keep running after them. Eventually they just can't do it anymore and then they lay down and then you fucking stab them Yeah, that's so fucking wild, but it made insane runners. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah The only way you're gonna feed your children is if you run after that deer, Bro You're gonna become a fucking runner and now the evolutionary process is like you go to the Olympics. \ Joe Rogan

16:42 \ Yeah Yeah, and they have you like this on the cover of \ Wheaties \ . \ \ Speaker 2 \ It is it really is interesting because like that's before I started doing Jujitsu Like, that was what I was doing. I was running. Oh. Like, but it just got fucking boring. Yeah. It got boring. And that's when I was like, okay, I got to find something else because. \ Joe Rogan

17:02 \ Yeah, that's what most people, the problem they have with the gym. And Jujitsu is the opposite of boring. Jujitsu is, it's one of the most rewarding things in life because it's super hard to do. \ It's really good for your head. Like, Jujitsu people in general, like, you get dickheads in all walks of life. Sure. And female dickheads too. \ But for lack of a better word, but you, you get the nicest people, like for the most part, you get people of character because you have to have character to stick it out. To be doing Jujitsu. If you're, you've been doing Jujitsu eight years, I can 99% sure I can hang out with you. You're a dude who's got his shit together. \ \ Speaker 2

17:41 \ It's almost like we're like distant family members or something. \ Joe Rogan \ 100%. Yeah. 100%. It's like you recognize you've been through this thing. I started doing Jujitsu in 96. \ So 96 I was at Carlson Gracie's place. I was 29? 29? \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah see I started at 30. Yeah. Like around the same time. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah around the same time and I started right after it was kind of like a year or two after I first saw the \ UFC \ . \ You know it was right around that time. Yeah. And so I started at Carlson Gracie's place in \ LA \ that was right down the street from the comedy store. It was real close to the comedy store. And that was when \ Vitor Belfort \ Was he had just fought \ John Hess \ in \ Hawaii \ ? \ \ Speaker 2

18:25 \ Yeah, he was about to enter the \ UFC \ and that that was that first crew in \ California \ from \ Brazil \ to exactly yeah, yeah, Marilla Bustamante You know there was a whole ton of these guys that came from \ Brazil \ I think Medeiros was there too. \ Joe Rogan \ He'll Sperry was there. Uh-huh. I got to train with Mario Sperry, dude Yeah, and I was a white belt. That's why and he didn't have no idea who the fuck I was cuz I wasn't anybody I wasn't famous at all. Yeah And he was the fucking nicest guy in the world, man. \ Yeah. He explained, Mario Sparrow explained to us how he got his triangle really good. He would make his girlfriend sit in his guard and he would just triangle it. She would complain, be like, stop, stop. Just let me do this. \ Let me use your body to practice triangles. \ \ Speaker 2

19:10 \ I mean, because that's what it takes. It's kind of hard to do it by yourself. \ Joe Rogan \ I have a dummy, but I don't use it. I have one of them. I used to have a Gracie dummy back home. In la yeah every gym has one that just fits in the corner and nobody you really want to do it with people yeah it's so just you know the difference between the rolling and the drilling it's like the people that get really good they they put the shitty work in yeah you know the long drilling sessions that yeah boring ass yeah. \ \ Speaker 2

19:36 \ You have to yeah i have because i teach now and like what belt do you know I'm a black belt oh snap son when i met you what were you I was probably a purple belt. \ Joe Rogan \ How did we meet? \ \ Speaker 2 \ Shit. \ Joe Rogan \ I don't even remember how we met because it was so long ago. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Well, yeah, like I get the question. \ Joe Rogan

19:57 \ I can't even answer that question. \ \ Speaker 2 \ That's funny. \ Well, so my sister worked at the comedy store in \ La Jolla \ as a waitress. She's a nurse now. \ And you were doing a show at somewhere downtown. At like the Balboa Theater, maybe? \ Joe Rogan \ Probably, yeah. \ \ Speaker 2 \ And it was sold out, and I just hit her up and was like, hey, do you think you can get me tickets? Because she knew everybody from the store in \ La Jolla \ . And Ari ended up getting a pair of tickets for me. \ And so I went to the show, whatever. \ Joe Rogan

20:31 \ Did you know Ari already? \ \ Speaker 2 \ My sister was friends with Ari. Oh, okay. Yeah, I didn't know anybody yet. And maybe two weeks later... She hits me up and is like, hey, can you do a poster for our marquee for, it was Ari, \ Tony Hinchcliffe \ , and it was supposed to be \ Duncan Trussell \ , but... \ Maybe it was Duncan, but regardless. \ And from what I remember, you must have seen that poster at some point. \ Joe Rogan

21:05 \ That makes sense. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, that makes sense. And then we did the Atlanta 420 show. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, yeah. Yeah. \ \ Speaker 2 \ So that was probably, I feel like I met you before, because I popped in on one of those Ice House Chronicles from back in the day. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, those were fun. Look at that one, man. \ \ Speaker 2 \ What a great one. Yeah, that was the 420 show. So that was... 2012 Damn time flies yeah, and so that ended up becoming the graphic for the logo we had the microphone It's perfect Duncan with the little hit acid on his tongue It's the perfect logo. \ Joe Rogan

21:40 \ I mean you fucking nailed it now. It's everywhere. That's gotta be weird. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, it's really it's fucking strange It's like almost like disconnected from it dog. Yeah, like like of course. \ It's grown it's like it's its own thing, but every time I see it like I know like I drew that by hand like I have the ink drawings still that's crazy yeah it's pretty fucking wild I you know I put stuff out into the world all the time I have thousands of paintings thousands of different fucking places but I mean more people see this image than guaranteed all the other ones well more people see that image than anything else I've ever done yeah that image is everywhere yeah That's pretty wild. \ What a fucking weird trip, right? I mean, I went to the show on Tuesday, and you were doing the Q&A at the end, and somebody had asked you about what your goals are, and you were like, I don't have any. And I'm kind of in that same routine, where what I was saying, I do the work, zero expectations. \ What happens will happen, and I'm just along for the ride. \ CHAPTER 3 \ Jiu-Jitsu journey reflections \ Joe Rogan

22:47 \ Well, I think as long as you put The actual energy into the work, I think, at least for me and you, that's the way to do it. \ There's a lot of people out there with vision boards. I was talking to this dude the other day. He's got this vision board. He's got all these goals he wants for his company and goals he wants for his life and this and that. I get it. That probably works too. That probably works too. But for me, I just only I feel like I only want to think about the process. \ \ Speaker 2

23:17 \ Want to put all my energy into thinking about the process that's the rewarding part for a creator right like me in the studio by myself Painting I I get that clear mind right where it's like I I feel like I fucking meditate six hours a day you know just from every day just from work because at some point in the painting process Like the paintbrush turns into a mantra almost to where like everything in my mind just like in \ Jujitsu \ like Everything shuts off because we're in a hyper focused like mode of Accomplishing a task right right right and that's for me painting all the reward is that yeah? \ It's those moments though even when I fucking hate it because there's plenty of times where I'm like this motherfucking painting Like I can't get it like I know where I want it to go But it's like well first you're gonna have to take 35 fucking steps before you can get there and my you know like I know that like I The finishing of painting is a little bit like a drug. \ I don't know if you've ever experienced this. Maybe like after getting off stage or something. But it's like there's a little like dopamine reward. \ Joe Rogan

24:24 \ When it's done. \ \ Speaker 2 \ When it's complete and done. You're like, oh, look at that. Yeah, it's like catching your breath. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. \ \ Speaker 2 \ I used to feel like that with sketches. \ Joe Rogan \ I used to feel like that with drawings. Yeah. But on a smaller scale, obviously. I think it's the same thing with martial arts. Because, you know, people always talk about martial arts as being a moving meditation. Yeah. You know, I. \ I think, and if you thought about martial arts, like if you were a white belt and you thought about all the time that it's going to take before you become a black belt, you're like, oh my God, I can't do this. But if you just think about the process, the process will get you there. \ \ Speaker 2

25:00 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ You just have to just only be thinking about this idea, this process of improvement, of dialing it in. \ And people oftentimes refer to martial arts as a moving meditation. Because to do it right, you're kind of out of your own way. \ Yeah. Did you ever do any, did you do much striking? \ \ Speaker 2 \ I did a year of Muay Thai. \ I got punched in the face a lot. \ I actually, I found my brain not functioning quite the same way. Oh, you got hit. Yeah. And I even found myself like getting frustrated, which was stupid. \ Joe Rogan

25:32 \ Like to be fair. Yeah. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Well, like in the process of Muay Thai. Oh, okay. Like I had a coach and this was. Forever ago who was kind of a prick and just he had eight morning students who knew Fucking dick and we were terrible, you know, oh he wanted to be coaching pros, right? \ That's what it seemed like like very very distant and like like phoning it in And I I recognized myself kind of getting frustrated with it But when I was in jiu-jitsu class if somebody caught me in something I found myself laughing Interesting where I was like wow that like I never got frustrated I never got like down on myself because I mean my whole first year i don't think i tapped a single person my first year and i like i was in a tough gym you know it was an ogara gym and so like the whole first year of them being open it was just like the MMA guys were in there it was like pros training for you know a year or six months and then they opened it up to the public which is oh wow and it was just it was just ass whoopings every day. \ I remember my first class like it was yesterday. Like, I got, when we got to sparring, it was like, I got, like, I just looked at another white belt and was like, okay, let's try. And neither of us knew what the fuck we were doing. And the coach was like, hey, and, like, grabbed his purple belt, who's now, he owns Del Mar Jiu-Jitsu in \ San Diego \ . \ He came over, he has a purple belt, just this fucking, like, vanilla gorilla and hip tossed me. \ Joe Rogan

27:11 \ Oh, no. \ \ Speaker 2 \ And I was like, what the fuck was that? Like, I had no idea what had happened. I was on my back, you know, trying to catch my breath, like, holy shit, what was that? And at that moment, like, I knew I, like, I thought I was tough. \ Like, I thought I had a little bit of toughness in me. And I was, like, just a complete humbling experience, but also, like, encouraging. Like, I feel like it was that singular hip toss, like, led me to be a black belt. \ Joe Rogan

27:37 \ Interesting. So because it was so overwhelming, you were like, I need to learn that. Yeah. \ \ Speaker 2 \ And I was at kind of like a weird phase. So that was probably like around 2008 when shit seemed to be, it was like a little moment of like, everything's going to shit. And like, I had this weird feeling of like- This is like the financial crisis. \ Joe Rogan

27:57 \ Yeah. It was when the banks- Yeah. \ \ Speaker 2 \ And everybody's money was weird and it just- \ Mortgage \ collapse thing. And I felt like if shit hits the fan, like maybe I should know how to do something. \ Which is such a weird yeah yeah that's a crazy thought it's it's fairly abstract like to me it wasn't like i was like super concerned or like really serious about it but i had the thought of like if i need to defend myself or if i need and that's why i was running too it's like if i need to fucking chase down a deer in you know until it overheats right and it ended up just being a little bit of a motivation and then i just found the joy in it i always said if i ever opened a jiu-jitsu gym. \ I would call it fun jiu-jitsu. \ I steal that just because I mean I was talking to Zach your security guard at the comedy club and Like for me, I don't get into street fights. I haven't been in a street fight since I was a teenager Yeah, me too. \ Joe Rogan

28:55 \ You know like I've broken up fights more often than I've got into them and you know one thing I do find that's really disconcerting when fights break out. I don't get nervous. \ \ Speaker 2 \ That's how beautiful is that? I've had that because I remember when fights would break out, your anxiety shoots up, your heart rate. \ Joe Rogan \ I get weird if someone close to me is with me and I'm worried about their danger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the fact that two people are fighting, I'm so used to it. It's weird. \ \ Speaker 2

29:22 \ I stopped a bar fight a couple years ago where a group of guys attacked this dude. \ One of them got a hold of him and he sunk in a guillotine. The guy got taken down right away. A deep guillotine. Like all the way up over the shoulder, you know, like I was not letting him tap was not letting him out No, no, no And I I saw it all sort of kind of unfolding and I ran up there and I just whispered in his ear If you do jiu-jitsu, you should probably let go right now that calm. He like looked at me. \ Joe Rogan

29:52 \ Let go dude was out cold i actually grabbed the the guy who was out cold and picked his feet that's a great way to handle it the way you talk to him yeah and he immediately looked at me like okay yeah i hear what you're saying I'm gonna let go this could be the difference between nothing happens to you you're just defending yourself and you're going to jail for a long time because this guy's dead yeah yeah especially if the guy's out you're still holding on to it yeah oh yeah and it It was quick. \ \ Speaker 2

30:18 \ It was tight. He might not have known he was out, but I mean. \ Joe Rogan \ He's probably so. Jumped up with adrenaline. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, he had a girlfriend with him. Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ Dude, street fights are stupid. \ \ Speaker 2 \ So dumb. \ Joe Rogan \ And if I see them, I just get the fuck away. But what's just weird that I'm, I've seen so many people beat people up. \ \ Speaker 2

30:35 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ I have seen, like, firsthand, there's probably a tiny percentage of people on \ Earth \ that have seen more fistfights in person than me. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, I can't imagine, especially at that close range. \ Joe Rogan \ At close range with world-class fighters. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Because it's a, when you're. In at a \ UFC \ event, those fights feel so much more intense and so much more vitriol when you're there. \ Joe Rogan

30:59 \ You gotta come with me to the Apex. The Apex is the place to see fights. The Apex Center is the \ UFC \ 's private little auditorium. It's tiny. It only seats like a hundred people. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Is that where they were doing the fights during COVID? \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. Dude, I saw Francis Ngannou versus Stipe Miocic. In a small cage with no audience. That's wild. It was wild. \ \ Speaker 2

31:23 \ Those sounds are sounds you don't hear. \ Joe Rogan \ Bro, it was wild. Yeah. It was so different because Francis' punches and kicks without all the cheering. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, to hear that sound. \ Joe Rogan \ It's a different thing, man. Yeah. Because you're experiencing what that fighter is experiencing. You're not getting the pain. Yeah. But the thud, the force, you feel it. \ Different yeah you feel like through the arena you feel that small little room you feel it and i remember concussion in the air when he collapsed when he hit him with the left hook and dropped him and then punched him when he was down i was like oh my god it was so different than seeing it in an arena it was so intimate yeah it's like i always say that it's like the difference between going to see an acoustic concert and going to see a concert in a gigantic arena right you know you You go see someone in a club doing a stick set. \ Gary Clark Jr. Did an acoustic set. It's different. Like, wow, this is intimate. \ \ Speaker 2

32:21 \ This is cool. That's why I always like the prelim fights for the few fights that I've gone to. And it's interesting. I notice myself getting nervous for the fighter, especially that first fight, like first prelim. \ Joe Rogan \ There's only like 10 people in the room. Yeah. \ \ Speaker 2 \ It's weird. Yeah. That walkout moment is so peculiar. \ Joe Rogan

32:40 \ Yes. Very peculiar. \ \ Speaker 2 \ And I don't know if everybody else feels it, but it's like I can almost feel their anxiety. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, like as they're walking out and some guys you don't feel that at all. You just feel this confidence this crazy confidence That's fascinating to the guys can get so good and work themselves into a headspace where they they like Ilya to pour you He walks in there like he's already won. \ He celebrates the night before he has a celebration dinner I love his friends and family the night before the fight. He walks out that look he has not a doubt in the world No doubt. \ \ Speaker 2

33:13 \ I wonder how much of that comes from Everything that he's done so far, like just a supreme confidence. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, it's definitely from that. But maybe it was there before. I think he's touched by the universe. I think there's certain people that have a talent, obviously hard work, obviously discipline, obviously intelligence, obviously great trainers. All those things are, you can't get past the technique that he has, but there's an understanding of what to do and how to do it and when to do it. And an ability that's above and beyond. \ \ Speaker 2

33:47 \ And I see this all the time, where it's like two people who seem like they would be equal in skills or even just in knowledge, right? But one of them can completely outshine the other. \ Joe Rogan \ Well, you learn early on in martial arts that it's all hard work, but there's certain dudes that have physical attributes that are just freakish. They're freakish. The first thing that I... My first introduction to real high-level martial arts was this guy named John Lee. And John Lee was the national light heavyweight champion in Taekwondo at the time. And he was training for the World Cup. \ CHAPTER 4 \ Habits and health choices \ Joe Rogan

34:25 \ And I was leaving with my friend Jimmy. We were coming home from a baseball game. We were coming home from Fenway Park. And we just passed by this Taekwondo school. \ I was like, let's go up. We're waiting for the T. The T takes forever. It's a train. It's always packed. Everybody's leaving the baseball game at the same time. It's going to be a mob scene. Let it die down for a little bit. Let's go check out this Taekwondo class. And as we're walking up the stairs, I hear, ka-chunk, ka-chunk, like this crazy noise, like a thump and then a rattle of chains. \ That's what I was hearing. And it was this dude practicing a spinning back kick on the back in his prime. Big, long dude who had fucking ferocious power. He was just bending this bag in half. Yeah. And I was 14. And I was like, holy shit. I think I was 15. \ It was the summer of my 15th birthday. But I changed my life. I was like. I need to learn how to do that. Like, that's crazy. But then, after a while, I realized, like, not everybody can do that. Like, there's guys that are, like, high-level guys that can't do it. That guy can do. That guy had some weird gift. He had a weird power gift. \ \ Speaker 2

35:36 \ Yeah. Even sometimes just biology. Like, how your body is shaped. \ Joe Rogan \ It's 100% biology when it comes to power. \ Like, if you have tiny hands and sloped shoulders and girl hips, good luck. \ \ Speaker 2 \ You're not yeah, you're just no way gonna generate John Lee type power Yeah, and that's kind of like I can't punch to save my life But I got these long skinny ass arms like I'll darse the fuck out of oh, they're perfect right you jitsu Yeah, long arms and thin arms are perfect for Jujitsu because it's all leverage man. \ Joe Rogan

36:05 \ I think one of the best things Most inspirational things that can happen you if you can handle it in Jujitsu is getting mauled by a smaller person. Yeah A person like quite a bit 30 pounds lighter than you and just runs through you and you're like wow Yeah, like okay. \ It's not about strength at all. No, it's skill knowledge technique timing timing I mean is fucking everything timing is a lot, but you have to know what to do with the timing Yeah, you got a technique You have to have technique your technique has to be sure because there's some guys like some guys little Wrap something up, but it's like 9 out of 10 like you're gonna squeeze it. \ Maybe get the tap But there's other guys they lock something in you're like, oh, there's no way out of this. \ \ Speaker 2

36:44 \ Yeah, this is death This is death. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. Yeah, this is 10 out of 10. Yeah. Yeah like an Eddie Bravo triangle You get locked in any problems crying like I'm not getting out of this. This is tap time. \ \ Speaker 2 \ That's I've been wondering so I play lockdown a lot and maybe getting too technical is probably fucking boring But that's okay. I have an extra muscle in my calf I it what it's this I have the same muscle in my left calf, but my right one is is twice the size. Just a little strand from making that little hook on the shin. \ Joe Rogan

37:15 \ Oh, you're just from playing lockdown Wow, you know you can exercise that you know, there's a thing called a tib bar. Do you know what that is? Uh-huh This would be really good for jiu-jitsu for especially for people who really love butterfly guard and it's just good for overall knee stability I learned about it through the knees over toes guy on Instagram Have you ever done any of this? \ \ Speaker 2

37:36 \ No, but I need to start looking into it. \ Joe Rogan \ Look into it. Really good for knee health and strengthening the knees. Yeah. A lot of amazing exercises. But one of the things that he has that he recommends is a tip bar. And so what it is is it's like a thing that attaches to your shoe, and you lift weights by lifting your foot upward, by lifting your toes towards your knee, which is an exercise you very rarely get, but it's really good. \ Yeah, that's really good. And for butterfly guard, that would be it, man, because you could get that motherfucker strong as shit. Yeah. Not just doing butterfly guard, but lifting, lifting for that. You would for sure. I always thought like leg extensions, too. That would help in a big way. Right. \ \ Speaker 2

38:18 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ You know, for the same kind of muscles, the forcing, like extending the leg. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, because that's it feels awkward at first to try to elevate from that position. Yeah. Right. Like especially if your knees are fucked. I'm kind of I'm 16 years in now. And I'm like, I'm avoiding the heavyweight roles. Right. They're super tough. Like, I just have to, like, protect myself. And still, like, I never want to stop either. So, like, I want to be able to get in there and fuck around as much as possible. \ Joe Rogan

38:49 \ Yeah, you got to pick who you roll with for sure. That's important, especially as you get older. Are you doing TRT or anything like that? \ \ Speaker 2 \ No, I wish. \ Joe Rogan \ Why don't you do it? \ Oh, you son of a bitch. What does that mean? \ \ Speaker 2 \ What does that mean? \ Joe Rogan \ What does that mean, Mike Baxwell? What does that mean? \ \ Speaker 2

39:06 \ I just haven't had a chance, I suppose. \ Joe Rogan \ While you're in town, I'm going to hook you up with Wastewell. How many more days are you here? \ \ Speaker 2 \ I leave tonight. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, shit. Yeah. What time tonight? \ \ Speaker 2 \ Nine. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, yeah, we could do that. We can make it happen. We'll make it happen. I'll make a call as soon as we get out of here, and I'll have you go over there right before you take off. \ \ Speaker 2

39:25 \ Yeah, because shit has gone pretty south with the body. \ Joe Rogan \ At the very least, if you don't do anything, you should get blood work. Get blood work, find out where your hormone levels are at. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ How was your diet? \ \ Speaker 2 \ It's not bad. Like, I eat pretty good. I actually cut out sugar this year. \ Joe Rogan

39:42 \ Like, big impact? \ \ Speaker 2 \ Humongous. Isn't it crazy? Humongous. \ Joe Rogan \ You're poisoning yourself. \ \ Speaker 2 \ Yeah, yeah, yeah. \ And it's just, like, what I was saying, like, being that, like, slightly lower than baseline, like, sugar gives you that little dopamine, like, fix that is like, okay, I feel good now. \ \ Speaker 3 \ And so like I had a little soda habit which i mean there could be fucking worse things but a lot worse but maybe not though you know like sugar is pretty fucking bad for you well i lost i lost 15 pounds like like that like that yeah crazy yeah it's so stupid it's so crazy how many people are just down in that stuff all day long all day long yeah and just eating you from the inside you can see it in their body yeah you can see it in their body people oh I'm sorry my foot on Marshall i forgot he was there I mean, you see with kids, I mean, oh, it's terrible for kids. \ Joe Rogan

40:33 \ It's so bad. It's so bad for everything, you know, but in moderation, it's okay. But the problem is repeat human beings are really bad with moderation of things that are literally designed to be addictive. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it's so hard of habit to where it's like I build a routine and then I stick to that fucking routine. Yeah. And if that includes, you know, sugary drinks, sugary drinks and a fucking ice cream at night, whatever, like it's going to be there. \ Joe Rogan

40:59 \ I know. And especially if you're putting in the work, if you're working hard and you're working out, you're like, I deserve it. I deserve to poison myself. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Be like, it's a balance. \ Joe Rogan \ There's times like I'll come home from the comedy club and it's late and everyone's asleep and I'm like, fuck it, I'm eating cereal. \ Every now and then, and I always feel terrible after I do it. I'm like, why did you do that? \ \ Speaker 3

41:23 \ Yeah, all those ideas that sound so great, and you just build up a beautiful idea, and then you get done, and you're like... \ Joe Rogan \ The only time I feel good is if I come home and I'll cook a steak. \ I do like that. Like I'm going to actually take a whole hour to make myself a meal. Even though it's 1130 at night and I'm tired, I'm going to take a whole hour and make myself a meal and have the discipline to not eat any garbage before that. Because when you're tired, you make the worst dietary decisions. \ There's a part of you when you're tired. I forget what it's called. I forget what the there's actually like a thing that happens. Where you are impulsively going to go towards things that are bad for you. You're impulsively going to go towards potato chips and ice cream and candy and bullshit because you're fatigued. \ \ Speaker 3

42:11 \ And there's convenience, right? \ Joe Rogan \ It's not just that. If there was a fucking home-cooked meal, like mashed potatoes, green beans, a beautiful half-chicken cooked on a grill, or ice cream. You might take the ice cream if no one was around. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah, yeah, yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ You know, you might grab a Kit Kat bar. You know, for sure, if there was a bowl of chips, just an inviting bowl of, like, ruffles. Yeah. Sitting there, like, I'm gonna grab a couple of ruffles. \ \ Speaker 3

42:43 \ And that's that weird dopamine thing. Our brain rewards us somehow. And then it fucks with us later. \ Joe Rogan \ You know what the thing is? The reward is not worth it. It's not a good reward. Yeah. Like, it's not like an orgasm. It's not like the completion of a project. It's not like the accomplishment of some great goal. \ The amount of whatever rush in your brain that you get from eating a shitty potato chip is not that much. \ \ Speaker 3

43:06 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ For what it does to you. \ But if I eat a bag of Ruffles, I feel like shit for five hours. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah, for sure. I started, it came from a time place where I was really poor and I tried to figure out like, what's the least amount? Of food I could eat in a day and still survive, right? \ Joe Rogan \ Boy. \ \ Speaker 3

43:26 \ And what I started to do was, like, do little fastings during the day. So, like, I'd wake up, get a coffee, and not eat until, like, five. But then I started realizing that I felt good doing that, you know? \ Like, my body started feeling better. And now I pretty much do it regularly. Now, even though, like, I have money to get food, I would just wait, just wait. And I found myself actually getting... \ Pleasure from the pain of starvation like i started to i started to like the feeling of being hungry at it yeah at a certain point but how hungry are we talking about this is like a 24 hours in or how many hours in no i it's like so i would i would basically eat one meal at like 5 30 okay so no food all day except you know i'd have some coffee with a little bit of half and half in it's a some fat and And drinking water, of course, or maybe like eat like a fucking banana or something. \ And I like my body just felt great to where like before, you know, I was probably eating something shitty in the morning, feeling shitty until noon. Eat some other fucking shitty thing. You know, as a young person, you just do whatever the fuck. \ Joe Rogan

44:39 \ Well, your body will get adapted. I mean, that's why that whole intermittent fasting thing is interesting, right? Because You're making your body digest food all day long. Like, if you're eating all day long, your body, your digestion system never gets a break. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Well, I started thinking, like, even, like, you know, back to chasing the fucking deer, like, our bodies used to have to go hunt. \ Joe Rogan

45:02 \ Oh, yeah. \ \ Speaker 3 \ To get something to eat. So this idea of, like, waiting, you know, eight hours, six hours before eating anything from waking up, like, it started to feel natural for me. \ Joe Rogan \ Well, it is natural as long as you're eating natural food. Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah. So if you're eating processed foods and a lot of bread and a lot of pasta and a lot of stuff that human beings have made, especially like our \ American \ bread, your body is accustomed to a lot of sugar. Your body is accustomed to those complex carbohydrates just pouring into your system all day long. \ And you're using those as a fuel source. If you are subsisting off of fat and protein and meat. And like avocados and you're getting healthy food, your body is working off a lot of ketones. Your body is making its own glucose through gluconeogenesis from the meat, and it's also running off of ketones from the fat. It's a way more efficient way of doing it. \ And when you do that, you don't get nearly as hungry. You don't have that feeling, that awful feeling. When I was eating a lot of carbs, And if I would go like four or five hours without eating, I would start getting fucking famished. Yeah. You don't get famished when you eat only meat. It stops. You get hungry, but it's totally manageable. Yeah. Just that alone, I love. \ The not requiring food. Like I can go, sometimes I won't eat breakfast. Sometimes I'll work out. I won't eat breakfast. I'll come here. I'll be here all day. And the first meal I have is dinner. Yeah. And I'm fine. Yeah. I'm literally fine. Like, it's not bothering me. And it's only because my body's adapted to not eat processed shit. \ \ Speaker 3

46:50 \ Yeah, because it's different if you feel like you're going to throw up or pass out because you haven't fucking eaten and picked out. \ Joe Rogan \ That's people that eat a lot of fucking glucose. Yeah. People that are eating a lot of carbohydrates, a lot of bullshit. Yeah. Your body needs fuel. You get low blood sugar and you start feeling like shit. Yeah. And like, you got to get something in you. \ \ Speaker 3

47:06 \ Well, I noticed as soon as I started doing that, like the stored fat, like in my like little love handles or whatever, like immediately just it was like the body's like, OK, I got to use this shit now. Yeah. And burn it up. Just complete body change. And like mentally, I felt so much better. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. People that fast and I've never fasted for more than 24 hours, but people that fast for like three days, they all talk about how great they feel at the end. You feel euphoric. \ \ Speaker 3

47:34 \ Incredible and we give us so much energy I'm like that sounds nuts it sounds like you'd be fucking dying yeah I mean I do get miserable sometimes of like yeah like I could just eat a fucking steak I hold it off I hold off the idea of fasting because like I make all these excuses for myself like oh I've got to do my show I got a support I can't be out of it yeah and that's for me I don't have any like stringent routine of like I'm not allowed to fucking eat something It's just the routine that I've got into now to where it's like I just sit down and work. \ But that kind of probably helps a little bit, too, because of that mind State of, like, I don't really, when I'm in the mode of painting, like, I don't have to go to the bathroom. \ I'm not hungry. \ Joe Rogan

48:15 \ Do you drink coffee or anything while you're doing that? \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah, yeah. I drink espresso during the day. Or, like, I'll get a quad espresso, and then it just kind of lasts most of the day, you know, until, like, noon or whatever. And that, I mean, that keeps me kind of on the level, I suppose. Because there is some fat in there, like the caffeine. Obviously helps. \ Joe Rogan

48:34 \ Yeah, it's a little something. Yeah. \ Yeah caffeine helps with hunger But I think that what you're saying that the focus is probably the big thing that you're just so locked into what you're doing that You're not yeah, it's like I'm not even in my body anymore Like the body is separated from the mind in yeah I that thing that you were talking about earlier that is such a weird thing the where it feels like the whatever you're working on Just sort of takes over and to me It's something subconscious because like the way. \ \ Speaker 3

48:59 \ I look at Jujitsu or painting or any... Real art form as creative problem solving. So for me, all of those things, like it tickles the same part of my brain to where like I'll ask myself questions. Like it tends to be like, you have to ask yourself the right questions. Like I've had, like, I don't know how to use, how to fix a car to save my life, but I've had to fix some shit to where I'm like, what should I do here? \ Or like, you know, you'll just try something. But it's almost like a subconscious voice. Like I was saying, how the painting will kind of tell me where to go next. To where I don't know an answer, but somehow I come up with it. Just by kind of asking my brain, what should we do here? And it's always fascinated me that my brain comes up with solutions to these problems by running some computation. \ Like well if we did this this will happen if we did that this will happen and I'll come up with ideas that are Like I don't have there aren't conscious ideas or thoughts right that seep in from some depth in my brain that it's like i've been it's not my control it's it's not like a like a brag right right right it's like some some way of thinking that i can get solutions to problems that i don't know the solution to right and you don't feel like those solutions are yours no yeah no that's yeah yeah it comes from somewhere else it may and i'd like to think of it as like some part of my subconscious or some part of the brain that I'm not accessing in conscious reality that Is coming up with answers, but I'm amazed by it all the time. \ Like if you've ever had like like a light that wasn't working in your house. Right. But if you like flip the switch three times and then like turn the fucking heater on, somehow the light comes on. You know what I mean? Like you figure out these ways to to accomplish a task or figuring out a solution to a problem. \ And for me, I feel like with painting and Jujitsu or now anything like I remember I. Pinched a nerve in my neck like bad to where it's like i couldn't even sit up and i was like how the fuck am i gonna get out of bed and just ended up like picking my leg up hooking my arm behind my leg and doing like a Jujitsu thing to like sit myself up because i couldn't like actually set myself up and. \ Joe Rogan

51:33 \ I was like i've never done that before that's so fucking strange but like like my brain just told me to do that well that makes sense though you know how to use your body from Jujitsu and this would be right that was up without using your abs yeah yeah but there's It's all kind of like. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Like fixing a fucking car. Like I don't know what I'm doing, but this seems to be like my brain telling me, maybe try this, you know. And with all of these processes of, you know, martial arts and painting, just some creative problem solving aspect of the brain that's almost separated from. \ Joe Rogan

52:10 \ And gets nurtured with use. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah. It builds. Oh, yeah. Like it gets strong. \ Joe Rogan \ Well, this is what Pressfield talks about when he talks about summoning the muse. Did you ever read the book The War of Art? \ \ Speaker 3 \ I haven't. \ Joe Rogan \ I've got a copy. I'll give you a copy of it. He gave me a box of them. Because I used to have a box of them on the desk in the old studio that I'd hand out to people. But it's a short read, but it's an amazing read on this concept of the muse. \ And that treating this thing like you're a professional, you're going to show up at this time and you're going to summon the muse. And you're going to do it with sincerity. And if you do that and you show up every day, it'll work. And it really does. \ \ Speaker 3

52:45 \ That's what I do. \ I mean, I live that. I get up, get coffee, I go to the studio. And I'm there until it's time to leave. Then I go teach at night. And then I repeat the whole process. And it's joy. \ There isn't a lot of... \ I probably have a bit of a short attention span to where things can get fucking boring. \ Joe Rogan \ But obviously not painting. \ \ Speaker 3

53:07 \ No. I leave after a long day and I feel myself feeling guilty that I'm not still there. \ Joe Rogan \ Wow. You see, that's why I have a problem when people use that term ADHD. Because I think about myself as a boy and I'm like, I know they would have fucking diagnosed me. If I had the wrong parents, I know they would have diagnosed me and they would have brought me to a doctor who would have put me on some fucking medication. \ And it would have ruined whatever weird quality that I have that lets me focus on things intensely. Yeah. You know, they want to pretend that everybody has to be the same thing. Like everybody can't be the same thing. \ We're all wired different. I'm not wired normal. I'm wired like if what you're saying is boring I'm like, oh god. Yeah, I can't take it. I know some people that are gonna Whoa, so what are you gonna do about that Fred? They can have the boring as fucking conversations all day I literally feel physical pain. \ Yeah when I'm being bored But if I find something that's really interesting like really interesting I can lock on Yeah, and when I lock onto that I have no problem paying attention and that's a fucking superpower I think so and I think they're fucking kids up man And I think there's a lot of lazy parents that don't want to deal with this extraordinary Child that has this weird thing that you haven't harnessed. \ Yeah, and you're putting that kid on fucking speed They're putting them on \ Ritalin \ shit. \ \ Speaker 3

54:29 \ That's they were true gonna try to give me riddling when I was a kid You know, I wasn't a spazzy kid I wasn't it just I was bored as fuck by what like whatever they were trying to do in school. \ Joe Rogan \ You're an artist Yeah, but no one can recognize that it's they well It's almost like they want to pretend that that is not a real option for a human But why are there so many artists? \ \ Speaker 3

54:49 \ No, I know it. \ Joe Rogan \ What are you saying? How how is that possible that you want everybody to fit into this fucking square peg? How is it possible that you're teaching it and a kid comes along and he's bouncing off the wall But that motherfucker could play video games like an assassin. Okay. Yeah clearly There's something going on with the video games that you're not providing him in the real world. \ And his ability to excel at video games shows he's extraordinary. Yeah. It's just about focusing that. Yeah. If you take some little girl who just wants to talk to her friends and joke around in class and you fucking medicate her, she could have probably been an amazing artist. \ Maybe she would have found a subject that she just like some kind of a science subject she locks on to. And now All of a sudden that thing doesn't exist anymore. It's not like she's scattered all. No, she's just bored Yeah, what you're doing is boring. Your class is fucking boring. You have uninspired teachers who are underpaid No one gives a fuck about them. \ They're basically babysitters Yeah, and you're bored and because the teacher doesn't want to deal with you being bored They tell the principal the principal tells the doctor the doctor recommends another doctor and then a little Billy's sitting there in his fucking doctor's office and then they pop them full of \ Ritalin \ I had \ Henry Rollins \ on the podcast once and he's telling me they put him on \ Ritalin \ when he was a little kid Yeah, he said he was just fucking like Like all day long my god damn man. \ That's so nuts. \ \ Speaker 3

56:21 \ Yeah, I remember seeing those kids too Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ Just like fucking spun out spun out and now they're all on \ Adderall \ man. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah, and that's fucking me. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh there's a ton of young kids out there in the world that do not have a problem and they're on \ Adderall \ because it helps them concentrate. It helps their scores for college. Yeah. 100%. I guarantee it. There are kids out there in high school right now that are popping \ Adderall \ all the time so that they could do better on tests, so they could do better in college. \ \ Speaker 3

56:55 \ And then they're taking Xanax to come down off the fucking \ Adderall \ . Like, so terrible. \ So fucking terrible. \ Joe Rogan \ It's fucking terrible. And, you know, these pharmaceutical drug companies are just vampires. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ This is what you need. \ This is what you need, Mike. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Seeing the fucking commercials, like, during your show. \ Joe Rogan

57:15 \ Don't you want to be happy? Don't you want to dance in a wheat field with your child? Don't you want to go to the barbecue? Actually. Look, everyone's at the barbecue. They're happy. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Everybody's happy. \ Joe Rogan \ You're not happy. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ Don't you want to go to the barbecue? \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah. \ Earth \ is finding the thing that is actually going to bring you joy. \ Joe Rogan

57:31 \ Yeah. \ My friend Nassana Mott has a great bit about it i don't want to give it up but it's a great bit if you ever see him at the mothership did you see him i caught the very tail end of that when i got there he's got a great bit about great guy he's great he's got a he's a funny dude too he's been my friend since he was a door guy at the comedy store so it's so interesting to see him like from a very raw beginner yeah you know to where he is now i mean you get you've gotten to see a lot of that right like yeah yeah all the the guy with the hurry and joey and yeah Duncan all those guys yeah pretty wild Oh, it's been amazing. \ CHAPTER 5 \ Comedy and authenticity \ \ Speaker 3

58:04 \ Even seeing how the comedy scene has kind of started to flourish here and kind of like build it. Like that little 6Th Street way there is pretty wild. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, dude, there's five full-time comedy clubs. Yeah. Right there. \ \ Speaker 3 \ I hung out with my buddy Roy yesterday, and I feel like I met like four or five comics just like standing around figuring out what we were going to do. \ Joe Rogan

58:27 \ It's the hub, and it's also this is the most important thing. It's the hub for development of young people. It gives young people a real pathway a real possibility and we set it up that way on purpose like this is the idea It's like you cannot have a sustainable comedy community without new members. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah. Yeah, I Find a little envy in that like that's a little tougher in the like visual arts world is because we're so fucking isolated We're not like hanging out at the same spots all the time And it's like, that's how things used to be. Like back in the day, like the artists would all go to the same bar after they were done working for the day. Right. \ Joe Rogan

59:06 \ Like an artist neighborhood. Yeah. Like \ LA \ had a bunch of neighborhoods where a lot of artists live together. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah. I mean, \ LA \ is a little bit different from besides \ New York \ than the rest of the art world. It's like if you're not in one of those two or three hubs, like you're kind of isolated. \ Like outside of that realm and we don't have that opportunity i i really like enjoy that aspect of the comedy community towards like you see everybody meeting up like they see each other every day they hug they talk over shit they can like kind of workshop stuff with each other like having that ability is is or like that community in that aspect oh so powerful nice it's so nice and. \ Joe Rogan

59:49 \ So when you were there it's like perfect setup Like \ Shane Gillis \ was there. \ Ron White \ was there. \ \ Speaker 3 \ I got to talk with Ron for a while. \ Joe Rogan \ He's the best. Yeah. He's the best. He's such a fucking character. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ So Tony was there. It's so we have this beautiful community, but it's also like the young people, the young people coming up. They're good, man. They're good and they're hungry and they're focused and they realize that there's a real pathway. So because we set it up. \ So we have two nights of open mic nights, which is really important. Yeah. Like you have to have chances for people to get on stage for the first time. And just chances to just develop. You just got a few minutes. You go up there. You tell a couple of jokes. Try it again next week. Try it down the street. Try it over here. \ Try it over there. And if you want to do it, if you really want to do it, there's a bunch of people that are also doing it here. So there's like a great community. And it's pretty fucking positive, man. Yeah. Everybody's pretty. Instead of being cutthroat and backstabby, everybody's real supportive. \ \ Speaker 3

1:00:43 \ Big difference from \ L.A. \ , right? Big difference. I noticed just the sort of like every interaction I had while I was here for just three days, Just felt so genuine like not like somebody's trying to get something from you or folks out here Everybody just seemed yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ So laid-back and chill and they're focused regular humans what we were dealing with in \ Los Angeles \ was Some amazing people. I missed a lot of amazing people in \ LA \ but The overall vibe of the city was a vibe of you were trying to stand out from everybody else and get famous. Yeah. \ \ Speaker 3

1:01:20 \ You could feel it. You could feel it. Yeah. Because, I mean, growing up in \ San Diego \ , like, I spent a lot of time in \ L.A \ . Like, I could sense the feeling of, like, everybody. Like, it felt like everybody was trying to do something. Yes. Like, every single person you saw on the street would up to something. \ Joe Rogan \ And then it got real weird when reality TV came along because you didn't have any talent. So it used to be you wanted to be an actor and people that didn't have any act talent in acting You couldn't convince them. Otherwise, they thought they could do it. \ Everybody thought they could act because acting is essentially just talking It's just pretending to talk when you know, like we know the workers do it so badly so bad, but they don't think they do Right, so it's a thing that you can't discern in a way It's a little bit like comedy like you see a guy like \ Ron White \ tell a story on stage and it's so effortless and hilarious That you think, oh, he's not even trying. \ I can do that. I tell stories. My stories are good, too. And you think you could go do it because you don't understand what's actually happening. Yeah. It's just confusing you. It's tricking you. \ \ Speaker 3

1:02:20 \ Well, that whole routine, like, the idea of, like, writing a monologue seems so obscure to me. Like, I feel like I can be funny in a scenario where it's, like, people are talking and you have something to bounce off of. Yeah. But to get up there and do a monologue by yourself, like, that, it feels so alien to me. \ Joe Rogan \ To you, because you're smart. But to a dumb dude who sees that, he's like, I could do comedy. And so there was all these people that were just looking at comedy and also looking at acting as a pathway to getting attention. Yeah. And then it really got fucked with social media. So when I was leaving, but like a year or two before I left, I was already thinking about leaving. \ I was like, I got to get out of here. And then I remember I was at a steakhouse. And these people were there and people were taking pictures of them. I'm like, what is this? And someone said, I don't even think it was a \ TikTok \ influencer. I think it was a \ Vine \ influencer. \ Like, this is a \ Vine \ influencer. I was like, what does that mean? Like, what do they do? And it's like, oh, they dance. They dance around. And like, people are here. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, this is nuts. So it became another way that you could get famous. You could just get famous by doing pranks or being obnoxious. \ You know taking your clothes off and yelling in traffic like and so everybody was just trying to get famous when you get out of there you come to a place like \ Austin \ there's this relaxation because they're just people yeah all that's gone no one here is trying to get famous it's very rare that someone's trying to get famous and then if you can insert a comedy community there that really values the process and the results of the art That's what we're really all about. \ We're really all about killing. All that other stuff comes. The reason why \ Shane Gillis \ is the number one comic in the world is because he works hard and he's really fucking funny. And the process yields an amazing result. \ \ Speaker 3

1:04:17 \ And he's so sincere. \ Joe Rogan \ Super sincere. But the point is, like, he doesn't give a fuck about fame. Like, he's not trying to get famous. Yeah. I know him. Yeah. Like, it's just not something that happened. We were joking around. Bro, fame sucks. We were in the green room the other night talking about how. How much fame sucks in some ways. I'm like, ah, you can handle it. You'll be fine. You're gonna handle it. \ \ Speaker 3

1:04:37 \ Yeah, it's such a different experience. Like, as a painter, like, nobody really fucking knows what you look like. \ Joe Rogan \ They do now. Oops, I spilled coffee. Shit. Not much, luckily. It was almost out. \ \ Speaker 3 \ But there's some, like, sense of stress to that. \ I mean, I've even experienced it a little bit with like hanging out with you a couple times of like people coming up I'm like fuck this is so weird. Like why like why do people act like this? Like they don't know how to do they get weird. \ Joe Rogan

1:05:07 \ Well, that's the thing also that people like about being famous They want people to be uncomfortable around them. They want to be extraordinary without even trying, you know, it's a it's a weird thing man It's a weird thing that has existed with royalty, you know, it's kind of the same thing. \ It's like this desire that people have to be exceptional and stand above everyone else for almost no reason and the the fame thing in \ hollywood \ was the thing that was holding the art form of comedy back too because it was this velvet prison that existed that if you were a good boy or a good girl and you drew between the lines and you didn't say anything too crazy you could get a sitcom or you could get a tv show you could i mean i've seen that show where people just like. \ \ Speaker 3

1:05:51 \ People who want to be actors take that comedy route. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. But also, really good comics tone their shit down. They don't say what they actually think is funny anymore. Yeah. They say what they think they can get away with and still get a TV show. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Well, that's something that I noticed at the show of, like, having everybody's phones in the Faraday bags or whatever those are, like, allows people to be a little bit more honest. \ Joe Rogan

1:06:19 \ It does direct or like really say what they want to say and more importantly it allows the audience to totally lock in Yeah, because for a lot of these people it's the only two hours of their whole life where they're not gonna be on their phone No, I know other than sleeping, you know when you're when you're locked in and you're at a live show. It's so fun It's so good. It's the it's the correct move for everybody. \ It's a correct move because Of course everyone is working on new material and you don't want to get released before it's done because new material takes forever Yeah, yeah, it's like it'll take months for a bit too And sometimes it sucks at first or you it's offensive like something's wrong with that Yeah, I gotta figure out a way that people are not mad because that's not what I'm trying to say Yeah, and you could figure it out, but it just takes a bunch of different iterations And if someone fucking videotapes it and puts it up Yeah, like they did with \ Louis CK \ when he first came back it screws up the whole process It's like you're ruining that for literally millions of people because it's eventually gonna get on \ Netflix \ and people are gonna see it But it's gonna take time. \ \ Speaker 3

1:07:20 \ It's not it's not a simple process and We have to do it in front of people That's the interesting thing about that art form to like you got to work shit out in front of humans Yeah, it's not it's I'm sure what which like the writing process in your head feels so much different Yeah, there's a lot of processes This is the onstage writing process. \ Joe Rogan

1:07:41 \ There's the writing process in your head And there's the idea process which is the trickiest one because the the most difficult thing with comedy really is coming up with a subject That's actually interesting to you Yeah Where you really find humor in it and if those are the ones when I can really find humor in something like that's the ones that I dig into the most because I'm enjoying the shit out of the whole process of yeah, yeah uncovering all the ridiculousness But it has to be something where I'm like what? \ \ Speaker 3

1:08:09 \ That's how it is with painting too. Like I'm, I'm entertaining myself first. Sure. And then hopefully that connects with people somewhere. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. I think it's all together. I think tattooists are like that. I think musicians are like that. I think it's the \ Miyamoto Musashi \ quote. Once you understand the way broadly, you see it in all things. \ \ Speaker 3

1:08:28 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah. That's beautiful. \ Joe Rogan \ It is beautiful. Cause I think. You probably see it in the other things that you do. You see it in your art. You see it in \ Jujitsu \ . And there's people out there that they're seeing it in writing. They're seeing it in sculpture, whatever. \ There's a thing, whatever it is, that allows you to get really good at the thing that you love. That thing takes over while you're doing it. And you're almost not there anymore. You're almost like a passenger. \ \ Speaker 3

1:08:53 \ Yeah. Yeah. And that's when you know you hit the good spot. Like if I'm a big Bukowski fan. And on his gravestone, it says, don't try. \ That's the insignia, and then it's like a pair of boxing gloves. \ Joe Rogan \ Another guy, a famous drunk. \ \ Speaker 3 \ All of my favorite writers are self-destructive. I don't know why, but they are. \ Joe Rogan

1:09:14 \ Oh, I found this the other day about Hemingway. Hemingway always thought that the \ FBI \ was trying to get him, and apparently they actually were. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Really? \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, they actually were. \ He thought that he washere, I'll send this to you, Jamie. You saw it? I saw it was like a meme going around. Oh, here it goes. The \ FBI \ investigated \ Ernest Hemingway \ for decades with surveillance beginning in the 1940s due to concerns about his activities in \ Cuba \ and his associations with individuals suspected of \ communist \ ties. \ While initially dismissed as paranoia, it was later revealed that Hemingway's fears were grounded in reality and the \ FBI \ did monitor him, even tapping his phones and intercepting his mail. The surveillance continued throughout. His later years, including his time in the hospital, and may have contributed to his mental anguish and suicide. \ Yeah, you can't fucking, what about booze? \ \ Speaker 3

1:10:05 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ You can drink every day. Severe depression, 42 to 74, they studied him. What'd you learn? \ \ Speaker 3 \ That's wild. That's that thing. There's that, like, there's a meme or like somebody saying that, like, you have to be aware of the artists because they associate with everybody. You know, like they're not just locked into like an upper class society. \ Like they're like even like where I was staying, like I made friends with like three or four homeless guys just out on the street that I just kept seeing around town from being around, you know, like like we associate with everybody. There's no like hierarchy of of class. \ Joe Rogan

1:10:47 \ Well, I think if you really want to be open, like really open, you have to encounter a lot of different kinds of humans. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah. \ You know if you really like if you especially if you're a comic because you want to or a writer if you want to understand people you have to interact with them yeah because if you especially as a writer like you only have your own experience yeah if you just write your own experience it's just going to come off as like every character is you exactly like put yourself in the head of somebody else yeah like you have to be open yeah you have to be and have like a certain form of of empathy right to even understand how somebody else feels but that's why. \ Joe Rogan

1:11:23 \ There's the contradiction of the star comedian like that's where things get weird like the star comedian because if you're a star and everybody's treating you like oh \ Jerry seinfeld \ 's here yeah yeah pick the pictures like you're walking the red carpet and you're like you got to be down with the people you got to be in the nitty-gritty yeah you got to find some trenches so you better figure out the trenches because if you don't and i think if you think about like my favorite comedians they were all self-destructive too yeah all of them \ Richard Pryor \ , Hoover, lit himself on fire. \ That's about as self-destructive as it gets. Tennyson, cocaine and alcohol, Hicks, lots of drugs, and then cigarettes until he got pancreatic cancer. \ They were all at least some way fighting some fucking thing inside their head. \ \ Speaker 3

1:12:13 \ Yeah. It makes me wonder how much of it is maybe that empathy is too much. \ Maybe you feel too much. \ Joe Rogan \ You know and you gotta you gotta kind of know there's the there's just the stress of the job itself yeah like especially when you find success right because you got to keep that you got to also still be putting out new stuff yeah you got a chance to see me I'm this is all new stuff all right this is stuff that didn't it wasn't on my \ Netflix \ specials it's all in development it's all like and that process is It's fun. \ I love it. Don't get me wrong. But before I go on stage, I'm amped up. I'm pacing. I'm moving around. I'm listening to Nas. I got some music playing. I'm getting my dance on. I'm having an espresso. I'm fucking breathing. \ I want to get ready. \ \ Speaker 3

1:13:04 \ That's how I always feel a little awkward in the green rooms. I don't want to be too... \ Joe Rogan \ Listen, you're cool in the green room. You know how to handle green rooms. There's some dudes that are a real problem. Some dudes that start telling really terrible stories in the green room. You're like, oh, my God, this is so... \ But the green room is supposed to be just for comics, you know, and sometimes people will bring in people that are not supposed to be in the green room. \ \ Speaker 3

1:13:25 \ And like, I was actually telling a story about that yesterday when we were all at the American Comedy Co. In \ San Diego \ when Doug was doing that. \ Doug Benson \ was doing the Chronic Con documentary. Remember that? \ Joe Rogan \ Not really. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Fucking long ass time ago. But some guy came in who. I don't know, like a fucking investor or like somebody. \ Joe Rogan

1:13:47 \ Oh, he was poked up, right? \ \ Speaker 3 \ I don't know. He grabbed a \ Bud Light \ bottle as though it was a bong. He was like, where's the weed? And like he was going to like smoke a bong load out of this \ Bud Light \ beer bottle, dropped the bottle, broke it everywhere, like made a fucking scene. \ And everyone's like, who the fuck is this guy? What is going on? Like just the way that people act so fucking strange when they feel almost like they have to perform. But their performance is horrible. \ Joe Rogan

1:14:15 \ Well, I don't think it's that. I think that guy was on drugs, I think. And then also, I think they get anxious. They get anxious, right? \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah. \ CHAPTER 6 \ Power and corruption \ Joe Rogan \ People just get weird. They don't know what to do. \ \ Speaker 3 \ Yeah. We're fucking strange. \ Joe Rogan \ There's a lot of fucking people that are barely keeping it together out there, dude. \ \ Speaker 3

1:14:34 \ Sometimes I think that's me, but just barely hanging on, you know? \ Joe Rogan \ No, you're fine. Yeah. You're fine. But I think every artist feels like that. \ Yeah, every artist feels like it's one thing that they could do one day that's gonna ruin their fucking life They're always like that close to just it's all just like this keeping it together thing that you have in your mind You know and you have to have you have to have some process that you do that keeps you on the work and not On the self-destructive path Yeah because if you're a person that like maybe has a drug issue and You're fighting that off and as long as you work all the time like you're cool like you go, but then If you wake up late that one day and you're like, I have to fucking, I'd be good for just one little fucking, woo, just a little tipsy. \ I could stop in the beginning. I was only doing it every now and then. You know, I can just go back to just like moderation. I think it's good. You know, it really gives me a little pep up when I need it. Maybe your doctor gives you a little \ Adderall \ . Like the Adderall's good, but two pills is better. Three pills is really, I get so productive. \ I think I'd get my company off the ground. If I could just really. Concentrate with these three pills yeah and then you then you're and you're so it's like it's this balance that we all have and it's not just artists it's just people in life this is yeah like dealing with insecurities whatever the insecurity is you could mask it with you. \ \ Speaker 3

1:15:58 \ Know some drug or alcohol or whatever or you could lean into it and be like Okay, I feel this way. I accept that. What can I do? \ Joe Rogan \ I think the problem is the term insecurity. Because, like, good lord, everything is insecure. Like, the secure things, a lot of secure things are really boring. I mean, there's secure things that are awesome, you know? \ Yeah. But there's a lot of that that's not what it is. It's uncertainty. Uncertainty is what freaks you out. The options that are possible. The things that, the possible results. The variables, all the different things. \ \ Speaker 3

1:16:36 \ Yeah, and that's going to handcuff plenty of people. \ Joe Rogan \ But you've got to learn how to handle that. You know, I used to, when I was teaching, when I was teaching martial arts, I taught a lot of kids, and I had a lot of kids compete in tournaments. I really loved doing that. I really loved it when they really got into it and they got better and I could see them improving and then winning tournaments. \ It was amazing. But I remember some kids would really struggle. With competition. And I would tell them that's because you're smart. And I go, you see these people that are not worried about this? They don't know what can happen to them. They're delusional. \ They think they're going to be okay no matter what, but you're smart. You know that this is dangerous. That's good. You just have, you got to use that. You got to just hang on to it, use it, and then get in there and you'll be fine. Once the fight starts, you're not going to be scared anymore, which is weird. Yeah. When the fight starts. \ \ Speaker 3

1:17:33 \ Then it's just happening. \ Joe Rogan \ It's just happening, and it's all automatic. \ You have instincts, and you have an understanding of the game, but you also have just dialed-in technique. That's all it is. It's all about the execution of all the things you've practiced, and it all just happens. But the lead-up is so bad. The anxiety before when you're sitting in the locker room waiting for your time, you're like, fuck! \ I would just tell them I would go just you got to understand this sucks but this is just something if you just can accept that this is here except that it's here and Recognize that this is a gift and this is here because you're smart And the reason why you're worried about all these possibilities is because you're intelligent enough to recognize that that's the thing Yeah, you're looking for the outcomes and then figuring out wait That's kind of what I was talking about before like predicting outcomes and figuring out solutions to problems that have yet to occur Yeah Like when you're thinking that far ahead like that's it's a different chess game Yeah, and you in the dull minded nitwits out there that don't have any fear There's a reason they don't have any fear because they don't have the capacity to comprehend all the possibilities Yeah, so if some guys like doesn't know how to fight at all You've seen this a hundred times on videos online and he gets in someone's face and that guy's like hey Just crack something like that dull minded shithead he Is not the fearful one. \ He's not the he's not the intelligent one. The intelligent people are fearful. You should be fearful It's good. \ Yeah, it helps you Yeah especially if you're about to do something difficult and You should do difficult shit because it teaches you about yourself And if you don't learn about yourself You're always gonna wonder and that's the problem with like a lot of men in the world a lot of chest puffy a lot of like fucking really arrogant aggressive people like It's because they don't know themselves. \ Yeah. They're trying to impose a version of themselves on other people to be respected. Yeah. You know? Yeah. \ You find this in these fucking, like, business CEOs and execs who are, like, really aggressive and they weigh 80 pounds. Like, this is what this is. It's like they're finding a way to try to figure out who the fuck they are. They don't even know themselves. \ \ Speaker 3

1:19:52 \ And that's one of the things, like, I fucking know myself. Like spent so much time with myself in like a clear sort of frame of thought, knowing my limitations. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Knowing what I've accomplished when I was even more limited. Like, if anything, I think this whole process is built. \ Joe Rogan \ That's the difference of process between an artist and, like, say, someone who wants to be famous or somebody who wants to be worshipped, someone who wants to be the head of a company or the president of \ the United States \ or somebody who wants to be beyond reproach. \ \ Speaker 5

1:20:20 \ Nobody who wants to be president should ever be president. \ Joe Rogan \ A hundred percent. \ Yeah. \ Yeah. It should be. But then again. \ Yeah. You know, if you got like some truly benevolent dictator that we're all waiting for. \ We're all waiting for like the benevolent leader who's just going to take control of it, but do it for the people. You know, Marcus Aurelius, someone who just really, really does have the people's best wishes in mind. \ \ Speaker 5

1:20:48 \ Human greed is too fucking strong. \ Joe Rogan \ It's too strong. And anybody that's willing to go through that process, that brutal process, you know, like all the stuff that's in the news today. I mean, there's still. There's possible legal ramifications of things that happened in the 2016 election that we're hearing about today. Yeah. It's like these people are gross. \ \ Speaker 5

1:21:10 \ Yeah, the whole thing. \ Joe Rogan \ It's the opposite of the \ Austin \ comedy community. \ So, like, if we had to choose a president of the \ Austin \ comedy community, it wouldn't be that hard. Like whoever wins is great, you know, if Shane wins great if Duncan wins great who you gonna elect who cares? Everyone's cool. \ But the the presidential world is like no no no no no you have the backings of enormous enormous military industrial complex corporations enormous amounts of money \ Pentagon \ budgets beyond comprehension. Yeah It's going to be a trillion dollars this year. \ \ Speaker 5

1:21:53 \ And what does that even fucking mean? \ Joe Rogan \ What does this mean? So the ability to be at the helm of that, there's going to be no cooperation with the left and the right. And you're seeing what happens when one group gets into power. What's the first thing they do? What did they do when they got into power? They immediately went after Trump. \ They hit him with a ton of different fucking legal charges. Most of them didn't make any sense. The fuck? All the... Crazy shit about overestimating his property in \ Mar-A-Lago \ . The way they were using the law is like, oh my God, you people are gross. On both sides. On both fucking sides. \ \ Speaker 5

1:22:33 \ The whole system is so fucking corrupted. It's so obvious. We're at a stage where we have enough information to see how much greed and money just corrupts the system. \ Joe Rogan \ I don't think we really got to see it until Trump ran. \ I think you got to see it unveiled in a way when Trump ran that you never got to see before because also you got the rise of independent journalism that happens at the same time. Yeah. So you have people that report just on the facts, not like this \ CNN \ fucking lean or the \ Fox News \ lean, but just like just reports on exactly what's happening and how it happened. \ That just didn't exist before. So you get. \ An under if you're paying attention and you follow those people and a lot more people are than ever before you get a way different Understanding of how gross this game is yeah And because the guy was so polarizing and because he was such an easy guy to turn into a \ Nazi \ Like you like you pointed to him you like this is that this is our fuck him look out of the way he talks He's he's gonna ruin the world. \ It's a threat to democracy. We could do anything we can to stop him So what do they do they stop all the primaries they? \ They don't have real primaries anymore. They haven't had a real primary since 2012 You know, they're rig them they rig it with \ Bernie Sanders \ . They rig it with \ RFK jr \ . \ You know, they're just the whole Business is gross. \ \ Speaker 5

1:23:56 \ It's good I wish us as humans were all like together enough to just self govern. \ Joe Rogan \ You wouldn't need you would need people to enter into politics at the highest level that didn't need the money And really were good people that really wanted to just change the tone of how everything is governed. And that's going to be so hard to do because the money is so nuts. \ \ Speaker 5

1:24:22 \ And that's, I think. \ Joe Rogan \ Do you see the \ Nancy Pelosi \ thing? The new one? \ \ Speaker 5 \ She was being interviewed and then was like, I didn't want to talk about that. \ Joe Rogan \ Put that on. \ Anderson Cooper \ , he sneaks it in. She's like, I came in here to talk about the anniversary of \ Medicaid \ . Like, she cares about \ Medicaid \ . She's worth. An estimated $400 million now. How? \ \ Speaker 5

1:24:43 \ What's the salary? $70,000 a year? \ Joe Rogan \ $170,000 a year, something like that. $200,000 a year, maybe. \ But watching the panic in her face, realizing that Trump is now president, and they're talking about literally going after her for insider trading, and the undeniable evidence that they have had better results on the stock market than literally anyone ever, and they have access to information about laws that are going to be passed. If that's not insider trading, what the fuck is? \ \ Speaker 5

1:25:12 \ And that's what I mean. \ The greed, the level of greed is so strong that you-. \ Joe Rogan \ You got that video? \ \ Speaker 5 \ She might even had good intentions getting into office. \ Joe Rogan \ Shut the fuck up, bitch. Shut the fuck up. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Anybody. \ Joe Rogan \ Shut your mouth. I feel like it's a- They're all demons. \ \ Speaker 5

1:25:30 \ That erupts the minute you get in. \ Joe Rogan \ I think so. I think if you want to succeed, like what happens, maybe you have these idealistic- you know, perspectives on how politics works or what you can do in your contribution. And then you get in and you're like, oh, Jesus. Yeah, it doesn't work that way. \ I have to survive. Yeah, like I've had candid conversations with Tulsi Gabbard about what it was like and she's a person She was like tries to be friends with everybody tries to reach across the aisles She's got that whole aloha spirit. \ And she was like, it's crazy. Like it's like The just the the amount of backstabbing that's going on Like when she got into office Like first of all, you realize like you're not really in control of everything because there's another person who's in control of each individual department And they'll stop whatever you're trying to do every step of the way. They get in the way of everything. \ And what are you going to do? Are you going to replace everybody? And how are you going to find qualified people to take those jobs? This guy's been at that fucking he's been the czar of this commission for 25 years. He knows like all the ties and all the financial agreements. Here, let's watch this because it's so funny. Let me just read what he said. I'm sorry that we had some sort of technical issue. \ \ Speaker 5

1:26:41 \ Nancy Pelosi \ became rich. \ \ Speaker 7 \ You have to read that. We're going to talk about the 60th anniversary of \ Medicaid \ . That's what I agreed to come to talk. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, but I want to. \ \ Speaker 7 \ That means in the election. \ Joe Rogan \ I wanted to give you a chance to respond. He accused you of insider trading. \ \ Speaker 5

1:26:54 \ What's your response to that? \ \ Speaker 7 \ It's ridiculous. In fact, I very much support the stop, the trading of members of Congress. Not that I think anybody's doing anything wrong. If they are, they are prosecuted and they go to jail. But because of the... \ Confidence it instills in the \ American \ people. Don't worry about this. But I have no concern about the obvious investments that have been made over time. I'm not into it. My husband is. But it isn't anything to do with anything insider. But the president has his own exposure. So he's always projecting. He's always projecting. And let's not give him any more time on that, please. \ We're going forward here, and I'm very proud of my family. While he might make fun of us, while somebody inspired by him breaks into our home and hits my head in a deadly fashion, hits my husband over the head and he thinks that's a riot. I'd rather not go into some of my other complaints about him right now. Rather to talk about the 60th anniversary of \ Medicare \ . \ Joe Rogan

1:27:59 \ Okay, okay, okay. First of all, what crazy projection. She immediately turned herself into a victim. She immediately, like, went from, \ Jake Tapper \ 's like, what's your response? This is ridiculous. Nothing was inside or nothing. We have 400 million dollars, whatever whatever what's really important is Trump Inspired a man who broke first of all, how do you know that guy was a literal crazy person that broke into that house? \ \ Speaker 5

1:28:24 \ Yeah, that was a weird fucking thing. \ Joe Rogan \ It's a friend ik he had a hammer. He smashed the back window He broke into the house Paul thought that he could talk the guy down. It looked like Paul had a drink in his hand So he's probably a little lit Yeah. Probably a little more calm than he should have been. And then the cops are at the door and the dude hits him in the head with a hammer. \ That guy was a crazy person. You're blaming \ Donald Trump \ for that. No, that's so nuts that you have gone from you made an insane amount of money. A lot of people say you're insider trading. What's your response to that? My husband got hit in the head with a hammer. \ \ Speaker 5

1:28:58 \ Someone's blacked out. That deflection. \ Joe Rogan \ It's funny. You know, it's all because the president has a lot of exposure. Yeah. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Well, it's funny. Trump does the same shit with her. If he's on the hot seat, \ Nancy Pelosi \ . Yeah. You know, it's they all have that like natural deflection. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, man. \ \ Speaker 5

1:29:15 \ It's like and it's like we all fucking accept it somehow. Like we might make fun of it or like be like because my bullshit meter goes off all the fucking time. Like you're fucking lying to me right now. You can see it. \ Joe Rogan \ There's a reason why that whole ability to trade stocks is still in position. And it's because they want it there. They make a shit ton of money. \ \ Speaker 5

1:29:36 \ They have all the insider information. \ Joe Rogan \ They have to figure out at what point in time is this too dangerous? And who's willing to like make this a law? Who's willing to change this? And what politicians are going to sign on board for that? Because they're actually voting against their own self-interests. Yeah. Right? \ If they all decide, it's like they're playing chicken. Like as long as they don't do it, then they can still make a ton of money. If you look at the numbers, like if you look at like who's making money on the stock market, it is not all \ Nancy Pelosi \ . It is red, blue, red, blue, red, blue. It's pretty much down the middle. \ \ Speaker 5

1:30:15 \ Yeah. I mean, as long as you could skirt the legalities, why would you not take information that you have gained and try to utilize it to your. Improvement. \ Joe Rogan \ And you're hanging out with Harry, the senator from fucking \ South Dakota \ or whatever, and Harry's got a yacht. Like, how did you get a yacht, Harry? Like, you know, Bobby's got his own private jet. How'd you get your own jet, Bob? \ You're a congressman. Like, what are you doing? And those people that are able to generate that kind of wealth, and I think she's like the poster girl for it, unfortunately, but it's not her. Like, who's made the most? \ Yeah, let's find that out. \ \ Speaker 8

1:30:51 \ There's an article here. I don't know if this is officially the most, but there's people that are have made more than her. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, I'm sure they have. \ Where does it say, though? \ More than 20 members made almost double the \ S&P 500 \ average gain, which is crazy. \ \ Speaker 5 \ You're telling me it's like 0.5% more, a percentage more? Okay. \ Joe Rogan

1:31:12 \ David Rouser \ , \ Republican \ , \ North Carolina \ . \ Debbie Wasserman Schultz \ , \ Democrat \ , \ Florida \ . \ Ron Wyden \ , \ Democrat \ , \ Oregon \ . Roger Williams, \ Republican \ , \ Texas \ . See, that's the point. It's not blue. It's not red. It's just... Corruption across the board. They're all doing it. If you're making more than 50%, that's bananas. That's bananas. \ Hold on. Scroll back down. Scroll down. Okay. Look at this. The Pelosi one, an almost cult-like following for her financial disclosures saw the value of her household's portfolio rise by 71% in recent years. \ That kind of trading is super unusual. Yeah. \ To make more than double the average gain of 24.9. So make more than 50%. \ That's crazy. Nobody does that. \ \ Speaker 5

1:32:08 \ No. And how do you explain that? And how do you explain those decisions? \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. When you look at the decisions, like she dumps stock and then three months later, some big bill comes down the line that fucks that company. Yeah. She buys stock and then three months later, some big bill that comes down that, you know, they're funding for this new project. \ It's crazy. More than a dozen \ U.S. \ Officials sold stocks before Trump's tariff sent the market plunging. Of course they did. How about when Trump tweets out to buy? Remember that? \ \ Speaker 8

1:32:39 \ That was part of this. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, that's crazy. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ Like, hey, don't do that. \ It's crazy that he's in his own money, too. How about that? \ \ Speaker 5 \ And yet still, like, poor people are sitting here arguing about who's the better person. \ Like, it's fucking wild. Like, they're all corrupt and they're all fucking us. \ Joe Rogan

1:32:57 \ Some less than others summer summer \ allowing \ certainly hawk, you know. \ \ Speaker 5 \ And that's I think that's a when you see like the \ South Park \ episode with Trump like I know we're not we're not in a fascist State yet. You know what I mean? Yes, we're still okay. \ Joe Rogan \ Exactly. We're still as long as \ South Park \ exists. We're okay Yeah, yeah, I mean look look it's all weird man because this system is completely fucked It's completely fucked and we don't want it to be and they wanted to stay the way it is And so there's this weird thing where they have to get elected. \ So to get elected, they have to say the things that we want them to say. And so then we believe it every year, like \ Buck \ and \ Charlie Brown \ going to kick that football and Lucy pulls it away. \ \ Speaker 5

1:33:38 \ Cut. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. Yeah. But what's the weirdest thing to me is that we're in this complete shifting of the polls where the \ Republicans \ now are in favor of free speech. The \ Republicans \ want to end the wars. They want to stop contributing to foreign countries. \ They want comedy to be comedy again. They don't want restrictions on people's behavior and thinking. And the \ Democrats \ have developed this sort of like cult-like idea of what everyone should accept and what's normal and what's not normal and what needs to be elevated in our population and what needs to be ignored. And it's just like... \ God damn you guys are you're ruining it for everybody that thinks in a left way like everybody who's Reasonable like a reasonable left thinking person, which is most artists by the way Yeah, of course, and then you get to this point where you're like, no, I can't go along with you on all these things Yeah, you guys are you're just a bunch of fucking assholes who are using these subjects as a way where you can behave incredibly shitty incredibly uncharitable like vicious, mean, ostracizing people from society. \ I don't want any part of you. I don't want any part of the way you guys think and behave. And you pretend that you're doing it for good. You're doing it for, you're gluing yourself to the wall for climate change. The fuck you are. You're just a nut. You're just a crazy entitled nut and you're fucking up society. \ This is not the way that people should be behaving. And I can't believe it makes people go to the other, the \ Republicans \ are smarter about it. Now in this day and age because they're like hey, we'll take in hey, it's fine and come over to us You could say whatever you want copies back. \ \ Speaker 5

1:35:28 \ It's a big ebb and flow to me It's like it's like some weird natural balance of like things shift a little bit to the left Yeah, you shift a little bit to the right and you gotta hold the center if we motherfuckers could just figure out like we're so We have so much in common people just generally who would be considered more left or more, right? And it's just a few things That really are the basis of our contention. \ Joe Rogan

1:35:53 \ Well, the real problem is the team aspect of it. \ \ Speaker 5 \ It's fucking retarded. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, it's real retarded. Yeah, you can say it. \ \ Speaker 5 \ I heard it. \ Joe Rogan \ Why can't you? \ \ Speaker 5 \ You're joking. \ Joe Rogan \ Thank God you're joking. Some people panic. Please edit that out. No. No, retard's back. \ It's just, you know, I think it's going to take time, but I think we're going to eventually get to a place where we work it out. And my best hopes of AI. This is my best hopes because it could just ruin the whole world and take over everything and we could become slaves. \ CHAPTER 7 \ Living in deception \ Joe Rogan

1:36:26 \ Yeah. My best hopes are it gets to a point of efficiency and intelligence where corruption like that is impossible. And it figures out a way to organize government spending in a way that actually helps us. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Because that's what we want. The left and the right both want like our tax dollars to be used to benefit the like. Everyone. \ Joe Rogan

1:36:51 \ Yes. Unless you're running a business and you can get an advantage. And that's where it gets gross. Because those people can pay so much. And I think AI is probably going to recognize that. It's going to say, listen, you want to really fix this? You have to stop this competitive advantage. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Well, it's our ape genes, right? \ We're just fucking more advanced apes. That's it. And we still have a tribal mentality that's encoded in our fucking DNA. And we have to elevate above that. \ Joe Rogan

1:37:19 \ Yep. \ \ Speaker 5 \ And that just takes like avoiding greed. \ Joe Rogan \ It's also it's like what you do when you paint is you focus on creating this thing. Like this is what you're focused on. What they're focused on is numbers in a bank account. And they're focused on getting those numbers in there. And they're fucking obsessed with getting those numbers in there. So all those other steps that they do, like you're trying to figure out your painting. You're trying to like. \ Brush techniques and different things and you're trying different angles maybe shadowing it differently what they're doing is trying to figure out how to push this and push that and get this politician to make this legal and that way they can make more money and then \ Nancy Pelosi \ 's like we're gonna pass it Paul put in put in the wager because it's basically wagering right you know buy the stocks it's gonna roll but if you have all the cards marked yeah it is and it's It's fucking It's a real unfortunate thing. \ And how do you avoid that? Because you really you want corporations, you want them to make \ Apple \ fucking laptops and shit. You want a Samsung TV. You want these things. Right. So how do you how do you motivate? \ How do you get people that are motivated to make the best products in the world and every year make them better and not have them think only about making money to the point where they're willing to bribe politicians so that they can pollute a river in \ India \ ? \ \ Speaker 5

1:38:41 \ Yeah. And that's what's so different about artists. It's like, I would make paintings my whole life. Nobody bought them. Nobody gave a shit about them. I would still make them and would give them away or put them in a fucking closet somewhere. Like, for me, I saw art as a way that maybe I could get out of the area that I was in. Like, I could grow a little bit. But at the same time, doing the work was what was important. \ And what came with that was secondary. It was all just... Added bonus right right so like if i worked if i was selling fucking wheels or car tires like i would only be thinking about the how much money can i make right that's the problem actually if it's not if you're not like a wheel and car tire enthusiast it's one thing you know i mean love it yeah like i know dudes who work on cars and they they fucking. \ Joe Rogan

1:39:35 \ Love it especially builders Yeah. Like my friend, Steve Strope, who's been on the podcast before, who made my \ Nova \ . \ That guy loves working on cars. He loves it. I mean, that is his art. But he makes custom-made cars, and it's like, to him, it's just like making a song. It's just like making a painting. But when you're only thinking about money, man, those are the people that are the hardest to hang out with. Like, you ever hang out with financial people? \ Like, you ever get stuck at a party in \ New York \ with a coked-up financial guy? \ \ Speaker 5

1:40:04 \ Have you seen this fucking Derek Moneyberg fella? \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, is he the Jujitsu guy? \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah, got his black belt in three and a half years. \ Joe Rogan \ Right. But is he legit? Because he's with legit people. So I can't imagine. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Jake Fields is a savage. All the respect. \ Joe Rogan \ And Jake says he's legit? \ \ Speaker 5

1:40:23 \ I think Jake gave him his black belt. \ Joe Rogan \ Well, then he's legit. There's no way. I know Jake. There's no way. Jake is, his Jujitsu is top of the food chain. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ And I know Gordon is trained with him. I know all these other people train with him. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah. Downer was over there with him. \ Joe Rogan

1:40:37 \ I haven't heard anybody say anything negative So here's the thing someone who is like super rich which apparently this guy is Who trains with the best trainers in the world and actually puts the time in every day? It's super easy to dismiss someone because they're rich super easy. Yeah, Zuckerberg is a primary example that right I know for a fact Zuckerberg trains really fucking hard. \ Yeah, and he goes with real guys He brings in people like Dave Camarillo trains with them. He's trained with a ton of people Yeah, so he takes it very seriously has access to incredible trainers, and he's an obsessive. He's a very competitive obsessive person sure So you could say oh, he's got 200 billion dollars. \ He can't kick my ass That nerdy dude will fuck you up, and it's because he's actually put in the time now He doesn't have the time that this Derek money-burt guy has yeah if this guy's got if he's putting in like Hours and hours every single day, which is what I heard that he was like literally training multiple hours a day every fucking day at jiu-jitsu You can get to black belt level I don't know if he is, you know, but I know that if those guys say he is, I believe them. \ \ Speaker 5

1:41:49 \ I told somebody, I was like, let me just see him do an armbar from closed guard. Let me just see how sloppy that is and then I'll know for sure. \ Joe Rogan \ Or not sloppy at all. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah, then exactly. \ Joe Rogan \ Right. Why doesn't he just like show some drilling? \ \ Speaker 5 \ That's all it would take. \ Joe Rogan \ You don't even have to show me you rolling. Let me see some tight drills. \ \ Speaker 5

1:42:05 \ Yeah, that's all I would take. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, let me see you go through. But, you know, he doesn't have to. But then again, you kind of do have to if you project the fact that you're doing that. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah, if you take some sort of like braggadocious sort of angle, like three years, seven months, got my black belt. \ Joe Rogan \ Right, you should probably show something. Like, hey, let me show you guys. Yeah. You know? Because otherwise. \ \ Speaker 5

1:42:26 \ Because when I started, I was doing fucking two a day, morning class, night class. \ And, you know, none of that came fucking fast for me. \ Joe Rogan \ But you might not have been the most naturally athletic guy. \ \ Speaker 5 \ True. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. \ \ Speaker 5 \ True. \ Joe Rogan \ But night classes and day classes are great, but one-on-one is the ultimate. If you're a guy like him and you can get John Donahue to coach you, you can get \ Gordon Ryan \ to coach you, you can get all those \ Jake Shields \ . I've seen photos and videos of him from training sessions with the best guys in the world. So if you can get and you're hiring them. \ \ Speaker 5

1:43:02 \ Yeah. It could be a cheat code or It's 100%. \ Joe Rogan \ A cheat code. Yeah. It's 100% if you do it. If you actually do the work, it's 100% a cheat code. Sure. \ But that's the That's the thing like you have to actually be training like really hard It's not as simple as you know those guys you talk to those guys They give you the fucking secret handshake and now you're good at you Yeah, right the only way to get good at jiu-jitsu is hard work. \ That's it Yeah, and I could never see somebody like \ Jake Shields \ like a fucking giving out a belt that no wasn't deserved No, no, no, it's like when you hear Guy Ritchie is a black belt you go really and then he hears a \ Henzo Gracie \ black belt You go. Oh, oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah He's legit. Yeah. But there's not a lot of fake Jujitsu black belts out there, man. \ \ Speaker 5

1:43:47 \ I feel like we used to see more of them back in the day. Oh, yeah. There'd be like those funny videos of like somebody just. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, Eddie caught a couple of those. Yeah. There's a bunch of those videos where a guy shows up at a school and he's got a black belt on and then he rolls with people and he gets tortured. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah. That was like before \ YouTube \ existed or any social media existed. You can kind of get away with it. Yeah. \ Joe Rogan

1:44:05 \ Well, I think people, they're crazy. There's certain people that are just completely schizophrenic and they just yeah. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah in their head and they just you know They're not even trying to like con people. It's just they really truly believe in what their their mind is telling them Well that might be possible. \ Joe Rogan \ But I think there's also a bunch of people that their whole life is a con It's like a series of lies from the beginning to the end It is they never live in the truth and so for them to put on a black belt is just the latest of yes I was reading about this guy that like said he was a doctor and like did surgery on people for years yeah it's people that are nuts man there's one out of three pilots in i think it's \ Pakistan \ doesn't have a license that's fucking wild they have fake licenses see if that's true i i know i saved the article but i don't feel like going into my phone and getting it but it was like \ Jesus Christ \ like imagine you're on a plane and the guy doesn't really know how to fly. \ \ Speaker 5

1:45:06 \ Yeah, it's fucking horrifying. \ Joe Rogan \ How does he figure out how to land that fucking thing? \ \ Speaker 5 \ Does he know how to pull out? The amount of intelligence to pull that off? He probably could have got your fucking pilot's license. \ Joe Rogan \ Well, after a few successful flights, you would think that the guy would just go ahead and get the license. \ \ Speaker 5

1:45:24 \ You're already doing the thing. That's like I see artists in art school. I'm like, you're already making art. No, how? \ \ Speaker 8 \ There's a story from five years ago, so I don't know if it's changed. \ Joe Rogan \ Almost one in three pilots in \ Pakistan \ have fake licenses. \ They didn't take the test. Oh, my God. 262 pilots in the country did not take the exam themselves and had paid someone else to sit in on their behalf. They don't have flying experience, he said. \ Pakistan \ has 860 active pilots serving in its domestic airlines, including the country's \ Pakistan International Airlines \ flagship, as well as a number of foreign carriers. Oh, my God. \ \ Speaker 5

1:46:03 \ How many crashes are they having? I mean, if they're keeping them in the air? \ Joe Rogan \ Right. Ambitious dudes. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah, fuck. \ Sometimes you don't need a diploma. \ \ Speaker 8 \ They found that out because of a crash. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, shit. \ \ Speaker 5 \ All right. \ Joe Rogan \ Whoopsies. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. People are so nuts, man. If you let them be nuts, they will be nuts. \ \ Speaker 5

1:46:23 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ I think. Like, people don't want any regulations. They want anarchy. Like, shut your mouth. Shut up. \ \ Speaker 5 \ I have this idea of like an altruistic anarchism where it's like everybody just treats everybody kindly in the way that you would want to be treated. \ Joe Rogan \ That would be great. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah, but it's so it's our fucking ape mind is. There's too many of us that are fucking nuts. \ Joe Rogan

1:46:48 \ Yeah. \ \ Speaker 5 \ And greedy and, like, just out for self. \ And I get it. Like, it makes sense. Like, there's a lot of self-preservation that comes with that. But if we could all just kind of pull our shit together. \ Joe Rogan \ Self-preservation makes sense when you're surrounded by a bunch of people that are also selfish. Right? That's part of the problem. Because, like, if you get lucky and you find a good crew. \ Like early on in your life of people who are down with you, they're your friends and they love you no matter what. Life is way easier. It's way easier. And there's people out there that, man, they don't fucking have that. They don't, they have a bunch of people around them that suck. \ \ Speaker 5

1:47:27 \ Just in a form of competition at all times. \ Joe Rogan \ I mean, I'm a lucky person. I'm a very lucky person. But I think the biggest luck that I have is the people that I've met in my friends. Yeah. Because it makes your life so much better. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Well, I mean, it shows like how much you, you support. \ Your friends to like like the idea that if we can all get lifted up together. \ Joe Rogan

1:47:51 \ Versus I'm gonna step on your shoulders and work my way to the fucking top Why but not only that but it also shows that this my way works Yeah, you don't it doesn't hurt you to make other people successful or to help other people get more successful or to just to Tell people they're awesome and give them their as the kids call their flowers That's the kid I have no struggle with that one the young hip-hop kids like to say that give them their flowers But you know used to be given their props, but it's like that if you really love that person. \ That's good for everybody That's good for you, too Like the people that want to step on that person to elevate themselves like you're just ruining your own life You're you're you're missing the big picture. Yeah, it's not necessary It's not necessary even in a competitive environment even in something you're competing like your friends These people that you're competing with they help you. \ \ Speaker 5

1:48:46 \ Yeah, they really do. It's almost a necessity. \ CHAPTER 8 \ Fear and control in combat \ Joe Rogan \ I think it's a necessity with comedy for sure. Yeah. No, I always say this that no great comedy exists in a vacuum I mean There's people that have talent that are in the middle of nowhere and some real small local scene and they could become a great comic One day, but they're not going to on their own. \ Yeah, they have to be around great comics They can't just see them on \ YouTube \ . They've got to see like Dave Attell live. You know, you've got to see something like that where you're like, whoa. You know, you've got to see Colin Quinn live. You've got to see these people that are masters and see the thing that they do and get inspired by it. \ \ Speaker 5

1:49:21 \ Yeah. And just start to learn it. Like understand the process. Like that's the same thing for me. Like I thought I was going to be like do the Sunday comics in the newspaper. Like as a kid. Like I didn't know what people did. \ To make money making art were you into comic books at all not really But I like I was more leaning towards that kind of aspect of like this is how you can survive like actually pay your bills and Make art, but you just wanted to make art just want to make art right and it took I became an assistant for a really well-known artist who you know ran a design firm, did fine art, did like ran, like was just like, like at the top of his game. \ And I didn't go to art school, but I saw what he was doing. \ And a couple other artists like in the same, same area of it was like, okay, you're, you're making paintings. You're, you're working with these companies to do some design. That design money is going back into your art practice. Like, it was just being able to see. \ How something exists and then knowing like okay i could do that right we're we're already doing the same process but here is the sort of market of it here's right here's how you survive and here's how you continue to grow and thrive that's how you become a professional that's how you become a professional but yeah i mean for if you're you know in \ wyoming \ somewhere you might not have these people that you see you might you're so disconnected from a community you might not know And then you're like, well, I got to give this art thing up and, you know, get a job because I got to pay bills because you just don't actually have the awareness that there is a pathway. \ Joe Rogan

1:51:11 \ And this is the failure of the school system because it never teaches kids that are artists or people that have alternative ways of existing in society that there's ways to make a career. \ \ Speaker 5 \ I got kicked out of the only art class I ever took. \ Joe Rogan \ No. \ \ Speaker 5 \ This motherfucker, we had to draw a shoe or something. And I turned mine into like a robot because I didn't like how the shoe was turning out. And he said, you have to draw a shoe or I'm failing you. I'm going to kick you out of the class. You have to draw a shoe. And I'm just like, kick me out then. And I knew like at 15, 16, that like art is what I decided is. \ Nobody else can say what the fucking rules are. Like this is for me to do. And now I forget his fucking, I wish I knew, I remembered his name. \ Joe Rogan

1:51:57 \ Tell him to fuck off there's a lot of those guys that turn people off They had a high school art teacher turned me off to art too He was just a dick and then I found out that the most talented guy in the class is kid John DeVore who I still Contact every now and then we talk on email. He was the most talented guy. \ He gave that guy an F And I go no, so it's like I hadn't communicated with John since I left art class But we did a bunch of stuff together. We did a bunch of drawings together. Yeah, and when do you ever draw now? No, not really No, I do sometimes with my daughter. One of my daughters is really talented. \ I draw sometimes with her, but for the most part, no. It's interesting. I did a little drawing on vacation. We were drawing stuff together. It was fun. \ You know, I just don't have the time to get obsessed with it right now. I'm obsessed with too many things. And I have to manage my. \ \ Speaker 5

1:52:45 \ I'm still waiting for you to start golfing. \ Joe Rogan \ No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. \ \ Speaker 5 \ I'm putting this pool on an undulated warped table. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, I understand. I get it. You'd be great at it. Listen, I know everybody that I know that I love who's into it is obsessed. And that's part of the problem. Yeah. It's like, I know what's coming. And I know it's like a fucking multiple hour thing. You gotta dress like an asshole, wear stupid shoes. \ \ Speaker 5

1:53:10 \ You have to dress like an asshole. \ Joe Rogan \ And then I see all these fucking fights where people are fighting on the golf courses. Do you see that drunken guy with a hockey enforcer? \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah, through the dude in the fucking lake. \ Joe Rogan \ First of all, the size of that guy. The fact that you're squaring up and you're just bluffing and you're squaring up with this fucking... \ \ Speaker 5

1:53:30 \ That's one of those spots where people think they're way fucking tougher, they got a bag full of clubs, than they actually are. People... Get out of fucking control on it. But it's just dudes. But it's so dumb. \ Joe Rogan \ And it's drinking, too. The guy was clearly hammered. And I think he made a video afterwards apologizing. Yeah, good. Because he was just drunk. He's just drunk and he got stupid. But he got stupid with... That's what I always tell people. Like, don't get in fights. One day, you're going to get in a fight with a guy who knows what he's doing and you're going to get fucked up. \ \ Speaker 5

1:53:57 \ Imagine that fucking fear. Like, when he got grabbed by that fucking hockey player. \ Joe Rogan \ His jacket is just fucking hair with right hand. \ \ Speaker 5 \ What a nightmare. Terrible thing. I hope he was like, wow, I really made a poor choice. \ Joe Rogan \ No, at that time, he was just drunk as fuck. Probably thinking, I'm going to get him back. I'm going to get him back. \ \ Speaker 5

1:54:14 \ Because I know what that fear feels like when somebody really fucking, like, you know, in a gym scenario, when somebody really grabs you and you're like, oh, fuck. There's nothing I can do right now. Like, I tapped to Big Nog's side control. He squeezed me so fucking hard, it felt like my ribs were going to come out of my mouth. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, God. \ \ Speaker 5

1:54:33 \ And I was like a blue belt, maybe still a white belt, and I tapped to side control. \ Joe Rogan \ That's crazy. \ \ Speaker 5 \ And I started to think, what if he was fucking punching me, too? \ Joe Rogan \ Well, also, he's way bigger than you. \ \ Speaker 5 \ No, he was fucking massive. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, he's way bigger than you. \ The amount of pressure, if you're a really big person, you put down on a small person, it's really kind of unbearable. \ \ Speaker 5

1:54:53 \ But even somebody who's like my same weight or whatever, like that, when you really like, I'm fucking wrapped up. And like, if this person wanted to, they could. End me right now. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh yeah, that was always the most eye-opening to me when I would roll with guys who were 30, 40 pounds lighter than me and they'd just fuck me up. \ \ Speaker 5

1:55:09 \ And immediately I was like, I never want to act tough in public again, ever. Like, that fear of, like, if somebody, I got into, there was a guy who was, I was in, like, a time period where I was partying a lot. This guy was just being a dick to a bunch of people, said something shitty to my friend, and I'm trying to walk away, and it just, like, my... My brain was just like, say something. \ And I was just like, why are you being a fucking dick? Like, you know. And he puffed up and started coming at me. And like, he like swiped something out of my hand. And immediately my instincts kicked into Jujitsu. I grabbed, he had like a flannel on. I grabbed his collar like a lapel. And I grabbed his wrist and just get it. Like, immediately I was just going to throw him. \ And then, like, the other voice in my head is like, the guy had a dog, actually, who... Wasn't on leash and I was like if I throw this guy on his head right now and his dog runs in the street I'm gonna feel a little guilty But I sensed in him that you know like when a grappler like grabs your wrist like you feel it It feels different than yeah somebody else. \ Joe Rogan

1:56:13 \ It's someone who knows what they're doing Yeah. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Like immediately grab both and like put the squeeze on him that I could read in his eyes like oh That wasn't normal And then I was like no no like let go and then he like walked away talking shit and I just laugh. Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ Perfect. \ \ Speaker 5 \ And, you know, that's really rare for me. But it was like he had said something shitty to somebody. But to have somebody grab you like that and the fear that can come with that. \ Joe Rogan

1:56:41 \ Yeah. \ \ Speaker 5 \ I would never want to experience that in real life. \ Joe Rogan \ No. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Like fucking horrifying. \ Joe Rogan \ Well, street fights are stupid. They're terrible. And the people that know how to fight don't do them. They don't want anything to do with it. You should just go to a gym. Yeah. Go to a gym. If you have this desire. \ \ Speaker 8

1:56:59 \ Did you see this video recently? No. It was probably yesterday. You guys are making me think of it. What happened? This guy on top. They're saying the guy on the bottom is a white belt. He gets choked out without the use of arms. It's all legs here. He gets choked in the arm. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, this is so rude. Why is he doing this to a white belt? \ \ Speaker 8

1:57:15 \ Well, I mean, they're training, I guess. I know, but it's rude. That's where I would go to you guys being experts. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. Oh, Eddie can do that. Very rude. \ Well, it's kind of rude. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah, see what I think they had there? \ Joe Rogan \ It's also that guy is just training. \ He's just using that guy as a practice dummy. \ \ Speaker 5

1:57:33 \ Yeah, I do that sort of stuff. \ Joe Rogan \ He will sharpen up your triangles. It's kind of rude. But, I mean, what do you want to happen if you roll with a white belt? Do you want him to win? Do you want to let him win? No. Like, what do you do? You tap him. You tell him what to do. \ Along the way, like, you've got to protect this arm. This arm's in a bad spot. Don't reach back like that because then you open yourself up for the arm triangle. You've got to tell him, T-Rex, keep your arms in tight. \ \ Speaker 5

1:57:53 \ That's how I coach. Yeah. You know, when I'm training with somebody. Like I'm talking them through it and I'll even, I'll do the thing where I tell them what I'm going to do before I do it. Yeah. So that they can start to work out their defenses. Right. And like get an idea. Oh, that's good. Because as a black belt, like you can beat everybody up. Like that kind of loses some of its shine after a while. \ Joe Rogan

1:58:13 \ I think that guy was using that dude as just a training dummy. He was like, I could just work my. Yeah. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Just working on his leg. Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. Because if you can cinch up a triangle, even on a white belt with no legs, at least you're getting reps in. No. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah. And it probably makes it somewhat more difficult. \ Joe Rogan

1:58:26 \ It's better than that dummy I have collecting dust in my gym. Yeah, exactly. Dummy that I probably never use. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Doesn't fight back at all, just slight resistance. \ Joe Rogan \ You know what I do use, though? I use that Bubba dummy. You know that thing? Uh-uh. The punching dummy. It's like the rubber. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. \ Joe Rogan

1:58:40 \ That's good. There's something good for that, just target practice. It's good. You can't kick it too hard because it falls over. But if you can kick the face, you can slap the face. \ \ Speaker 5 \ Yeah, and there's something about those that just... You want to kind of give them a little bit of the business. Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ Fuck you, Bob. \ \ Speaker 5

1:58:56 \ Wah! We have one sitting right next to our boxing ring in the gym, and I always post up. \ Joe Rogan \ It's really good for practicing certain kicks. It's really good for question \ Mark \ kicks. Yeah. Because there's a shoulder element. And with a question Mark kick, you're really trying to go over the shoulder. Yeah, that little. Yeah, like the Glabefitosa one. Glabefitosa had the absolute best question Mark kick of all time. And his question Mark kick would come down on you. \ It would go over the shoulders and just chop down. And, like, that Bob dummy is great for practicing that. It's, like, the best thing for practicing. Because the bag is so straight. You know, the bag kicking down like that, it's like it's you don't have a real target. Yeah. You do with that Bob dummy. Because you're really trying to get the neck. You're really trying to go over the top and get that neck. \ \ Speaker 5

1:59:44 \ Yeah. Such a strange-looking kick, too. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, yeah. It works, though, man. Yeah. That fucker works. That works a lot. Because you worry about that front kick to the guts, so you'll do this. Or you'll think a low kick is coming, and then it comes over the top, and by the time you don't react to this, you can't. \ Joe Rogan \ React in time. Yeah, like you're already planning to get kicked in the leg and by the time you figure it out It's in your fucking ear exactly and the guys that are good with like \ Luke Rockhold \ has a nasty one There's yeah guys that are good with it like woof. \ Oh It's just so sneaky Over the top. \ \ Speaker 10

2:00:16 \ Yeah, that's another imagine just running into some Thai guy who you think you can throw around Fucking blast you with a fucking knee. \ Joe Rogan \ Not only that the trips. They're so good tying up in the clinching and dumping people. Have you ever trained with a guy who's really good at tripping you? Yeah. As soon as you tie up, whoops, your leg is up, and you're like, motherfucker. \ \ Speaker 10

2:00:37 \ That's what I always want to throw, like flying ankle locks. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. Well, that's the difference between Muay Thai and jiu-jitsu, because in jiu-jitsu, okay, you threw me to the ground. Now we're just started. Yeah. Now I have a hold of your leg. Then the referee's not going to stand us up. I'm going to break your knee. Yeah. Like, you dumbass. You threw me down with an inside control. I have an inside hook. \ \ Speaker 10

2:00:58 \ It's like a fucking superpower too, man. Yeah. No, glad I found it. Like, I owe a lot to you, I think, like the way you spoke of it, like back then to like, even just to get into the gym, because that's the fucking hardest part. \ Like, crossing that door path and getting on the mat. Like, there's so many days where you're going to be like, I don't want to do that. Like, I don't feel like it. But as soon as you get there, it's like so worthwhile and so valuable. \ Joe Rogan

2:01:22 \ Yeah, you just got to force yourself to do it. And that's something I really owe to Eddie. Eddie As crazy, you know, like creative and abstract as he is, he's super disciplined when it comes to his training. He's always like super, super disciplined. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Well, you can see it. Like my game is very similar to like to Eddie's and like Lucas Lech. \ Like that just wherever you can get a hold of the leg. Like I pull, I like to pull to quarter guard. You know what I mean? Like I like to play from there. And like I. I'm curious. I want to know how many people have the lockdown muscle in their fucking calf. A lot do. No, there has to be. \ Joe Rogan

2:02:03 \ Yeah. \ \ Speaker 10 \ But I've never seen one. \ Joe Rogan \ Get that hip bar, dog. Get that thing. Get that thing. It's not expensive. You put like a little plate on it and you lift with your foot. It's legit, man. You could do tip bar raises where you just stand on your heels and lean against the wall and just lift your foot up over and over and over again. That does it too. Yeah. But the tip bar thing, you could do it with weight. \ That's it right there. Look at that sucker. \ \ Speaker 10

2:02:28 \ Oh, yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, I have that. I use that fucker every day. I have both of them. \ \ Speaker 10 \ I've been wanting my butterfly guard to get better too. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, man. This will have a big impact on it. \ And you could also use it to do a leg extension. So you could do a leg extension, and then you could lift the foot at the top if you wanted to. So you could actually emulate. \ \ Speaker 10

2:02:45 \ That's so funny. \ Joe Rogan \ You could actually do it from your back now that I'm thinking about it. You could put one of those on each leg. And you could lie down on your back and you could, yeah, and specifically work butterfly guard. \ There's so many cool ways to work out now. \ \ Speaker 10 \ I know. \ Joe Rogan \ There's so many amazing people that have, like, figured out ways to protect your knees and protect your back and, you know, and help your shoulder stability. And just they give it away. They give it away online. Like, we have such an amazing resource available now for training. Think about if you're a young guy. There's these guys that are coming up that have only been doing jiu-jitsu for a short amount of time. \ Less than seven years, I think. And dominating. All of a sudden, why? Because he's obsessed. And because he has all this information online. \ You can watch so many instructionals. There's so many videos of guys pulling things off. You can rewind it. Watch it again. Rewind it. Watch it again. Get together with your friend. Okay, put your hand on the left knee. \ \ Speaker 10

2:03:49 \ Okay and then when i push you pull and then that yeah like oh that works and that takes so long if you're just doing it like in an organic like training way but the the beauty like i like i came up with what a technique that i haven't seen or haven't done before that like it can everything continues to evolve even as much as we've all trained the same for so long like There's still new avenues to explore. \ There's still room to be creative. \ Joe Rogan

2:04:19 \ Always. That's one of the cool things that Eddie will do. Someone pulls something off and they have a thing. Eddie will go, show me that. Show me that. Everybody check this out. And they'll have the whole class gather around. And then like, tell me what you're doing. \ Talk me through the thing. All I have to do is I have to get mission control. And then I shovel this arm through. And then I grip it like this. And they're like, okay, try that. And everybody tries it. And then Eddie will go, do it on me. And they're like. \ Yeah. All right, let me try to do it on you. \ Like do not somebody try to get out of this and then they'll try to like workshop it like would it be better with this Would it be better with that? Like how did you get to this spot? \ \ Speaker 10

2:04:52 \ Like why did you do you have a pathway that you take to get to this you get to the spot all the time, and that's so similar to your Comedian sort of community to like oh yeah that option Well, I think that's why I brought that to the comedy community because that was always the way it was in gyms yeah, like in Jujitsu and in and kickboxing and Taekwondo and Muay Thai like people teach you how to do stuff it's so good for us as a like a culture too like the way to interact with people who you may never interact with in your day-to-day life ever yeah like to have that sort of community aspect like i feel like that draws a lot of people in outside of all the other benefits yes there's a lot of community to her. \ And it's such a vast array of... Different types of people from every culture, from every sort of class level. Yeah. And we all find a common. \ Equality, of course, with a hierarchy of experience, but we're all in the same boat together. \ Joe Rogan

2:05:53 \ Well, that's the same with yoga. It's the same with a lot of things. Yeah. You know, it's just like you find a group of people that have also found this very productive, very beneficial thing. Where you going, Marshy? \ \ Speaker 10 \ Hi, puppy. \ Joe Rogan \ Marsha just woke up. \ \ Speaker 10 \ I saw your new puppy. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, he's adorable. \ \ Speaker 10

2:06:08 \ Jesus Christ. \ Joe Rogan \ He's Marsha's new buddy. They're really fun together. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Is it a cocker spaniel? \ Joe Rogan \ No, it's a \ King Charles \ spaniel. Okay. Marsha, come here, buddy. \ Come say hi to everybody. Come here. Come on. Come on. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Such a cutie. \ Joe Rogan \ He's tired. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Long day. You guys go running? \ Joe Rogan

2:06:27 \ Come on up. Not today. Today, he just came here to hang out. He's the best. Golden Retrievers are the absolute best dogs. They're just all love. They just want to cuddle with you and hang out with you. They want to play, but... \ The whole thing is just like be with you yeah and he's sweet to everybody i wish they lived like 150 years well he's on a really good diet yeah putting him on the farmer's dog now I'm changing his food he was on the mave stuff which is great but he's on a raw food yeah that's what i was gonna ask you to do the raw made a giant difference yeah giant difference in the way he looks the way his coat is yeah giant differences in his energy levels yeah you know Well, it's also, it's like, they're just like people, man. \ If you have a person and you feed them nothing but processed food, they're going to be sick. \ \ Speaker 10

2:07:20 \ Yeah. You're eating cereal every day. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. I mean, that stuff just sits on the counter forever. It sits on a shelf. You go to the pet food store, those bags are just sitting there. Like any real food shouldn't be just sitting there like that. It's going to rot. Yeah. So that means that food has nothing alive in it. Yeah. \ CHAPTER 9 \ Understanding dogs and training \ \ Speaker 10

2:07:36 \ You know, you got, you got to give them the fucking raw. \ The raw. \ Joe Rogan \ Well... \ Like i said you cut it with the with the drive you don't need to yeah you don't need to this the the way they have these like with farmer's dog and with the stuff that he's been eating mave it comes with it's like frozen like green beans and blueberries and potatoes and meat it's yeah food yeah and it just changes everything man they don't fart as much like it's it's so much better for them they have way more energy it's like their whole his whole body composition changed. \ \ Speaker 10

2:08:11 \ Yeah, I love it when people actually fucking care. \ Their pet isn't just a fucking decoration. \ Joe Rogan \ No, dogs are the best. \ Your life will be more loving if you have dogs. They're just always around. They're always cool. They're so consistent. And they have simple needs. Yeah. They just want to be. \ \ Speaker 10 \ They're unconditionally loving all the time. \ Joe Rogan

2:08:33 \ Unless you get a working dog. And there's a lot of dummies out there that go and get a \ Belgian Malinois \ and not understand. And like, okay. Yeah. They're great dogs, but you have a responsibility now. Yeah. Because you don't have a regular dog. You have a super athlete. Yeah. You're living with like a canine race car. Yeah. That's really what that is. Like you can't just leave that in the yard. \ \ Speaker 10

2:08:56 \ You see those people that train those dogs. Oh, yeah. Like doing the little walk in between their legs as they're walking down. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. \ \ Speaker 10 \ My friend Anthony just got one. \ I have a couple. \ Joe Rogan \ He just got one. He's sending me videos of the puppy. I'm like, oh, my God. This thing is like. \ \ Speaker 10 \ But they jump like 25 feet in the air, bop the wall. \ Joe Rogan

2:09:12 \ They fly. \ \ Speaker 10 \ They run flips and shit. \ Joe Rogan \ They run right up walls. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah. Imagine one of those fuckers chasing you. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, it's hell. They're meat missiles. \ I'll send this to you. I'll send it to Jamie because I sent it to Brian Callen because me and Brian Callen are both retarded and we talk about dogs all day long. We talk about like, what's the coolest animal? \ But this video shows the difference between how a Shepherd, a German Shepherd, which is also a great dog. Approaches something to the difference to a \ Belgian \ Malinois does because yeah, have you seen it across the chairs and shit? Yeah, I sent it to you. \ It's good. It's nuts like the the \ Shepherd \ runs around He's like I'm gonna find a way to get to that guy I'm gonna go around this way the \ Malinois \ runs over the chair watch this. Here's the \ Shepherd \ . So the Shepherd he's going around He's got to find the guy and he gets to him. He bites him watch the \ Malinois \ Now let's do, look at the fucking cowl. \ Over the top, over every chair. It's like just so driven. They're so driven and so athletic, man. And it's not that a German Shepherd's not athletic. Yeah, right. But like in comparison, look at what this fucker does, man. Yeah. He just runs over these chairs. He gets there in one second. \ \ Speaker 10

2:10:25 \ Hopped that first six rows. \ Joe Rogan \ Insane. They're so athletic. So like a dog like that is not like Marshall. Like Marshall is cool, just hanging here. You got a \ Belgian \ Malinois. That motherfucker needs tasks. It's just like, it's basically like me. Like, you gotta work him out. He's gotta do things. You can't just have him sitting in the house. He'll go fucking crazy. \ \ Speaker 10

2:10:45 \ Yeah, otherwise he's gonna be smoking crack back in the alleyway. \ Joe Rogan \ He is ADHD in dog form. That's what a \ Belgian Malinois \ is. Like, you can't put him on \ Ritalin \ . You gotta exercise that little guy. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah, you gotta work that shit out. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, man. He needs... And it's like... If you have the time to do that, they're incredible dogs. But it's like you got to know what you're getting. You know, if you want a dog that just chills, get yourself a golden retriever. You want a family dog? Yeah. Get yourself a golden retriever or a lab. They're the best. Yeah. Chill. \ \ Speaker 10

2:11:16 \ I had a Boston Terrier for a long time. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh, they're sweet dogs. \ \ Speaker 10 \ They passed away. I haven't been able to get another dog since he died. Like, it was, like, too draining. Yeah. Too emotionally draining. \ Joe Rogan \ It's hard, man. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah, it was like a family member, you know? \ Joe Rogan \ It's hard, man. It's hard. I still get sad thinking about my dogs that have died. But, you know, there's loss and there's life. You just got to appreciate them while they're here. I always love new ones, too. I love everybody's dogs. I love Carl. Carl's here today. \ He seems like a little calmer with Marshall today. \ Growing boy. He's growing. He's getting his shit together. \ \ Speaker 10

2:11:51 \ Yeah, he's better. \ Joe Rogan \ He's also listening when you tell him to stop now. He's listening. \ \ Speaker 10 \ He's listening. Bulldogs are a special breed. Yeah. Especially the English ones. Like They're just stubborn little pricks. Yeah. Like, they're going to do what they want. I was watching a lady try to walk her two, like, young English bulldogs this morning. \ They were walking her. Like, and they'll put that little, you'll actually get it with the French bulldog when they put the brakes on, and they're like, we normally walk this way, but right now. \ Joe Rogan

2:12:20 \ I'm going that way. \ \ Speaker 10 \ I'm going that way. Yeah. Exactly. \ Joe Rogan \ I'm the boss. Yeah. Especially male dogs with their balls. They'll test you. He's never tested me once. Not once. Never growled. Never growled. \ \ Speaker 10 \ He's pretty fucking mellow. \ Joe Rogan \ He's the best. You know what he barks at? \ Snowmen. \ In my neighborhood, this guy had one of them inflatable snowmen, and I'm taking him for a walk, and he's like, He's like, what the fuck is that? \ Is that a guy? \ The form of it, whatever it was, and it was one of the inflatable ones, so it's kind of moving around a little bit. He's like, yo, what the fuck is that? Is that a? A bear? Yeah. \ \ Speaker 10

2:13:01 \ I would love to jump in a dog's brain when they have those moments. Right. \ Joe Rogan \ Like a snowman freak out. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah, probably looks like a fucking monster. \ Joe Rogan \ Bro, it's so funny because I'm relaxed and he's barking. I'm like, Bro, trust me. \ I'd be thanking you if that was a bear. \ \ Speaker 10 \ He's looking back at you like, are we going to fight this fucking thing? Are you fucking serious? \ Joe Rogan

2:13:21 \ That's a fucking guy. Like, no, it's just. It's just an inflatable thing. But other than that, he never barks. He'll bark if he wants to be let in. That's it. He goes to the door and just let out a little bark. \ Just lets you know, hey. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Jamie and I were talking before. It's very interesting how you start to communicate with your dogs. And you start to understand what they need. And over enough time, you have a silent communication, which is very, very peculiar. \ Joe Rogan

2:13:49 \ And he knows the difference between going for a hike and then coming to the studio. He knows the difference. Yeah. \ Like, you know, if we go somewhere and he's going to go run, he's all amped up and he gets out of the car. He gets here and he's like, hey, everybody's cool. What's up? How's everybody doing? \ \ Speaker 10 \ Air conditioning's on. \ Joe Rogan

2:14:06 \ He's ready to lie on his back and get pet, you know? Yeah. It's like he's the best. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah. Dogs are fucking amazing. We almost don't deserve them. \ Joe Rogan \ Well, it's just such a weird thing that we've done. Because they used to be wolves and you can't train wolves. \ There's a reason why wolves aren't in the circus. Think about that. \ Think about that. You've got monkeys, bears, and tigers that you can train to do circus shows in front of everybody. You can't train a wolf. They won't listen. But yet, we turned a wolf into a dog that literally listens to everything I say. That guy will say, sit down, buddy, relax, and he'll just sit. You know, you ready to go? He's like, I'm ready. And he just gets up and goes like, like, how did that happen? \ \ Speaker 10

2:14:55 \ And the fact that they have that like fucking super gene that they, they could transform into so many different variations. Right. Of the same thing. \ Joe Rogan \ Through selection. Yeah. That's what's weird. Like selective breeding where you could turn a dog into Carl. Like you have enough time. Yeah. You can turn a mastiff into this tiny little thing. Yeah. \ You just need enough time and enough different select genes. And finally this females a little smaller Let's breed her with a smaller male and this one has a shorter snout like how even how? What'd you do? How'd you get a Chihuahua? \ \ Speaker 10

2:15:30 \ From a wolf a wolf. \ Joe Rogan \ You know, they didn't even they weren't even sure that until like fucking 20 years ago Really? They didn't know they thought they came from wild dogs and shit. Yeah, I started sequencing the genome. They're like what? \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah, it's exactly the same. These are all wolves Yeah, I thought probably a lot of them came from wolves like Huskies and shit like that Yeah, like no all of them that sort of symbiosis is really interesting, too Like how plants, we have that symbiosis with plants and like certain plants who have followed our evolutionary line down the way or, you know, like we get connected to these. \ I think sometimes we forget that we're still a natural part of the environment. \ Joe Rogan

2:16:12 \ Well, how weird is it that plants literally put their seeds in the middle of delicious fruit so that we will eat it and spit it out? And that shit will act as a fertilizer and help it grow. Yeah. \ \ Speaker 10 \ It's fucking wild. \ Joe Rogan \ What a crazy, not only that, but if you eat the seeds, they're bad for you. But if you swallow. \ \ Speaker 10

2:16:29 \ It has cyanide in it. \ Joe Rogan \ So it's like evolutionarily designed for you to just pass it through your digestive tract whole. Yeah. Just swallow them. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Or even the fact that it's a certain color that reminds us of a flavor. Right. That like a certain color looks delicious. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. Or. \ \ Speaker 10 \ And it's tricking us into eating it to shit it somewhere and allow itself to reproduce. \ Joe Rogan

2:16:53 \ Or a certain color that looks. Poisonous. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Right. \ Joe Rogan \ So he's scared of it. Yeah. You know, I was watching this video the other day of a spider that makes a decoy spider and puts it in a- Yeah. \ \ Speaker 10 \ I saw that. \ How? It's building a sculpture. Right. Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ And it looks like a fucking spider. Yeah. Which is really crazy. So how does a spider even know what a spider looks like? And how did it develop- It doesn't have a mirror. Right. How did it develop this ability to make a sculpture? Out of its own webbing. Like, look at this. That's crazy, man. Yeah. I mean, that's really crazy. \ It's making a decoy. \ \ Speaker 10

2:17:33 \ Yeah. Like those caterpillars that look like they have a snake as their tail or whatever. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. \ Or mantises. You ever see mantis that make it look like their arms are giant teeth? \ They put their arms together like this. Yeah, they have the ridges. And they make it look like they have a giant mouth. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah. \ Such a fucking bizarre. \ Joe Rogan

2:17:53 \ Oh, that's the wild thing about evolution. It's like, how? What is the entire process that allows something to develop where when the moth opens its wings, it looks like eyeballs? Yeah. Like, what is that? \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah. Fucking just life is really good at reproducing itself. \ Joe Rogan \ How do you get a Venus fly trap where a plant tricks you into coming into the center of this trap and then eats flies? Nuts. \ \ Speaker 10

2:18:22 \ The whole thing i mean that's why you got to like find some joy in it find like find a little you know entertainment and how fucking bizarre everything is we get so wrapped up in our day today in our just getting by like. \ Joe Rogan \ Just having the moment to be like wasn't that a part of a problem with working really hard too like you you know you don't see the forest for the trees yeah and you can get caught up in whatever the fuck you're doing and like forget like god the world is pretty amazing. \ \ Speaker 10

2:18:51 \ Yeah, the whole thing is so fucking bizarre. Yeah. And, you know, we try so hard to act like we fucking know it all, too, to just leave some room for some mystery. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. \ \ Speaker 10 \ It's so important. \ Joe Rogan \ Well, people are weird, man, and there's no real good working manual of how to live life. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah, there's no right way. There's no right way. Like, any advice anybody tries to give you, they're only working on their own experience. \ Joe Rogan

2:19:20 \ Especially when you're trying to pick a weird career. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah. Right? \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah. Like an artist. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ Like, good luck. Or a comedian or an MMA fighter or anything. Like, you want to do that? It's like, who are you going to even ask? \ \ Speaker 10 \ You've got to find what you love and literally just fucking go for it. \ And I know there's a sort of, like, okay, you've got kids. You've got a fucking mortgage. I get it. You know? Like, I'm... \ I've hustled all kinds of different ways to to make sure I continue on the process, you know on the path But like yeah, it's very different if you have people that you're taking care of and those responsibilities are paramount I get sometimes maybe that that reward system that you would get from something else maybe comes from that. \ Joe Rogan

2:20:08 \ 100% 100% but what we're saying is that like as you are Listening to this if you're going on your journey into life and you think you might be going in a safe direction that's going to make money. \ Versus the direction that you really want to go to ask yourself. How bad you really want it Like what do you want to do with your life? Do you want your life to be really fun? Do you want your life to be really rewarding? Where you wake up and you're excited about what you do or do you want every day to be a grind? \ Do you want every day to be like you can't wait to get off so you can get a cocktail so you can fucking calm down Yeah, hated you hate everybody in the office and everybody treats everybody like shit. The boss is a dick And you just get home, you just want to drink and watch \ Netflix \ . \ Like, you got to decide. You got to decide. And you're going to have to take some drastic steps. And you're probably going to have a lot of doubt, especially if you're doing something weird. Like, if you want to be an artist or you want to be a comedian, like, it's a long road, man. \ \ Speaker 10

2:21:11 \ That doubt fuels. It can handcuff you and make you stop, but it can also push you to go further. \ Joe Rogan \ Well, that's where doing something else. \ That's difficult so you know that you can do difficult things really comes in handy and that's what i always preach about Jujitsu yeah i think Jujitsu above all of them is the one that you can do the most and you get the most out of it and you can get hurt for sure and i've been hurt a bunch of times don't get me wrong but it's a different kind of hurt than sparring the hurt that you get from kickboxing and you know that you were talking about from Muay Thai it's different You can't do that every day. \ You can't spar every day. You get hurt. Yeah, you get your brain gets beaten up your fucking your nose gets fucked up where you can't breathe out of it anymore It's just you don't want that kind of hurt It's too debilitating and it could fuck with you for the rest of your life in terms of like just literally the way you think Which was always the scariest thing for me. \ I remember when I was thinking about stopping fighting It was like because I was lying in bed at night with headaches. Yeah from sparring days Yeah, and I was like, what am I doing to my brain? \ Like, this is the only thing that I have that's going to help me decide how to get through life. It's the only thing that I have. Yeah. And once you start meeting people that you know are compromised, meeting people that you know have brain damage, like. \ \ Speaker 10

2:22:32 \ Yeah. You're starting to see it, man. Like, I think people who have been fighters their whole life, you know, starting to see a lot of that, like, CTE or whatever the football players were dealing with. And, like, how big of an effect. I mean, head trauma is so. \ So fucking damaging. Yep. Like, and the way that it could show itself in so many different ways. \ Like. \ Joe Rogan

2:22:55 \ Gambling addiction. Yeah. Drug addiction. Depression. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Even like manias. Yep. \ Like hallucinations. Yep. You know, I feel like it almost transforms people into like waking nightmares sometimes for some people. To where it's like that feeling of like, you know, like you see somebody. \ But there's somebody else. Exactly. Right? Like, there's so many, like, aspects that, like, just end up destroying your normal day-to-day life. \ Joe Rogan

2:23:30 \ Yeah, it fucks up their hormones. It fucks up everything. \ And, you know, yet it makes for this insanely attractive sport to watch. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah, and they love it. Right? You just got to know when to get out. Yeah. \ CHAPTER 10 \ Teaching and Jiu-Jitsu growth \ Joe Rogan \ You got to know when to get out. And that's what's hard. Yeah. And really, the hardest thing is that. \ They don't have anything else because in order to be really good at something like fighting you have to dedicate your entire life to it It has to be everything about your waking moment Yeah, and when it's not and it's just a job That's when it gets fucking dangerous because those guys get really fucked up a lot of the time Yeah, when you have to get the next fight to to keep the fucking train rolling Yeah, and then you have a family and like you realize like you don't have any savings Yeah, and so then to quit like what are you gonna do? \ How are you gonna generate? You know if you're fighting and you making $250,000, $300,000 a year fighting three or four times a year. How are you going to replace that? Yeah, you're not. Yeah, you're not. You don't have any skills. Like, all of your skills are in how to fuck people up. Yeah. So what are you going to do? Are you going to teach? You could teach, maybe, especially if you're real technical. \ \ Speaker 10

2:24:32 \ Yeah, but that's not going to give you the same quality of life or, like, you know. \ Joe Rogan \ It could eventually. I mean, there's some guys that make a lot of money off of teaching. Sure. \ \ Speaker 10 \ You know. That's kind of rare, though. I mean. \ Joe Rogan \ We have to be really good. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ Yeah, you have to be really good. \ \ Speaker 10

2:24:45 \ You have to, like, be franchising. \ Joe Rogan \ There's a lot of demand. You know, like, you could. If you're an Eddie Bravo, you can... \ \ Speaker 10 \ Teach seminars and you have a bunch of affiliates and a bunch of schools but he's in the top you know five percent exactly you know exactly for most people it's a grind yeah and i mean i teach i i was telling Zach like to me Jujitsu is like a parasite and it got in me and now it's trying to find other hosts like i i literally I'm just trying to share but it's like it's it's like Jujitsu is forcing me to share it regurgitating it into some other host so that it can regurgitate itself into somebody else. \ Joe Rogan

2:25:20 \ But it's a beneficial parasite. Don't you think that teaching helps your Jujitsu though? \ \ Speaker 10 \ A million percent. Like I show all of my students all of my tricks so that when I try to use my tricks on them, it stops working. Yeah. And then I have to evolve the tricks or like create other little smoke screens and diversions to get to the spot that I need to get because they know. Yeah. \ And I like to, I'll show stuff that I don't normally do, but a majority of my curriculum is stuff that I do, that I know works. That I know all the ins and outs of. I know every little detail of how you get to the spot, like what you do, what you do if they do A, B, or C. And that's what I share. \ And as I do that, like I notice little techniques not working anymore. \ Joe Rogan

2:26:07 \ Well, don't you think it's also, as you explain the techniques to people, it tightens up your own understanding of the technique? Yeah. And it makes you better at it? \ \ Speaker 10 \ A thousand percent. Because you have to think of it. And like a lot of times our movements are... Muscle memory. Right? We don't really consciously think too much about it because we've done it a thousand times where it's like, I do this, then I do this, then I do that. \ Right. And you don't think about it. But when you have to show somebody, you have to think about all those things that you never think about, help explain it to somebody who doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah. And get them to grasp it. \ Joe Rogan

2:26:43 \ I've seen that time and time again in jiu-jitsu where a guy's pretty good and then he starts teaching, like coaching like... Beginners want private lessons and stuff to make some extra money and next thing you know he's a killer yeah it's like wow that's it's i think that's a missing part of the key to development is teaching i think i I'm honestly surprised when other don't want to do the same like. \ \ Speaker 10

2:27:05 \ I never like i never gatekeep techniques like i if i see something that i think will work like i i honestly think I'm a much better coach than I am a Jujitsu practitioner. \ I'm horrible at competing. \ Sometimes I just be like, okay, I'm just going to stay here until I kind of have a room to get out. I don't have to try too fucking hard. But I can see the game much better in my students. \ My gym, Steel MMA, is a little bit of like a ragtag sort of like \ Bad News Bears \ kind of gym. Because there's so many high-level competitive gyms in \ San Diego \ . Yeah. But we go to all the local tournaments. We get on the fucking, on the podium. That's cool. Yeah. \ Joe Rogan

2:27:50 \ That's very cool. And we're not- \ San Diego \ 's a tough place for Jujitsu dogs. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah. \ Joe Rogan \ You got fucking Jocko's place down there. Barrett Yoshida's down there. How many people? Isn't, was Hoyler had a school down there? \ \ Speaker 10 \ Hoyler's still in \ San Diego \ . \ Joe Rogan \ He's still in \ San Diego \ . \ \ Speaker 10

2:28:05 \ He actually gave the guy who was the purple belt who threw me on my head that I was talking about earlier. He got his black belt from Hoyler. \ Otto's is there. \ Joe Rogan \ Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. What a hotbed of jiu-jitsu. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah, it's like little fucking \ Brazil \ . \ Joe Rogan \ Isn't that funny? Like, \ California \ , especially, like, during the \ UFC \ 's growing period, became one of the biggest hotbeds of jiu-jitsu in the world. \ \ Speaker 10

2:28:28 \ Yeah, they all went there. \ Joe Rogan \ They all went there because they could surf. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah, you could surf. Yeah. Like, probably, like, climate-wise, fairly similar. \ Joe Rogan \ Fairly similar. Yeah. And then a ton of population to draw from to get students. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially in that \ L.A. \ Area where it's, like, people were already kind of, like, Into Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris and shit, right? And then, you know, you see \ Hoist \ just fucking freak everybody out. \ I mean, I watched all those early fights as a kid. I had a friend's dad who would always fucking get the pay-per-view. \ Joe Rogan

2:29:00 \ That's another thing about \ Austin \ . We have so many jiu-jitsu gyms here now. Gordon has his place now. The team has their place. You've got Gracie Baja's here. You've got Shanji Ribeiro's here. Everybody's here. There's so many different gyms here. \ There's multiple 10th planets here. You know, there's, there's, Gabe just opened up a 10th planet in \ Bastrop \ . There's a 10th planet right down in, in this area. There's a 10th planet. There's like three or four 10th planets. Yeah. I think there's at least three. \ \ Speaker 10

2:29:33 \ And they're all packed, right? Packed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's beautiful. \ Joe Rogan \ It's like there's so many people that are interested in it because, you know, it really does work. It really helps you. And not just works like as a martial art to learn how to defend yourself. It's a vehicle for understanding yourself better. It helps you in everything you do. As long as you just do it smart and don't get hurt. \ \ Speaker 10

2:29:53 \ Exactly. That's like me trying to get up when I fucking, my neck was pinched. Like that was Jujitsu. Yeah. Like I use it in so many aspects of my life. Like it's such a... Such a beautiful, weird little sport. \ Joe Rogan \ Yes, sir. \ \ Speaker 10 \ Lifestyle. \ Joe Rogan \ Mike Maxwell \ , I'm glad you came in. Joe Rogan, thanks for having me. My brother. Tell everybody where they can find you online. \ \ Speaker 10

2:30:13 \ MikeMaxwellArt.Com and all the social medias are at Mike Maxwell Art. \ My gallery in \ Santa Monica \ is BG Gallery. I got a gallery out in \ New Orleans \ , Mortal Machine. You can find my stuff out there. \ Joe Rogan \ And is it all on Mike Maxwell Art? \ \ Speaker 10 \ Yeah, you can find all that. Okay. \ Joe Rogan \ Beautiful. All right, brother. Thank you. \ \ Speaker 10

2:30:31 \ Thank you. Appreciate you, Matt. \ Joe Rogan \ All right. Bye, everybody. \