Joe Rogan Experience #245 — Robb Wolf Transcript

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0:00 Experience. You've sort of like this whole thing, this paleo solution, your book is like I think started like a new level of people thinking about health and about like what the body is naturally supposed to be breaking down. problems, ulcerative colitis, irritable bowel, like all kinds of poop related stuff. And this And that's how I, you know, this whole kind of evolutionary biology thing got on my radar and opened a gym, started, you know, using this with our clients.

2:27 There's a ton of people, you know, and I just encourage people to tinker with something. if you don't sleep better, if your body comp isn't better, then do something else. And when you look at our genetics, it's pretty darn similar to what the people were living during the Paleolithic time. to process food and grow food and store food has evolved much faster than the body is capable

4:42 like if you start doing some Googling around on sleep and health,, you know, we don't sleep the way that we used to. don't have it, it fucks with you. It damages you. Wow. That's interesting. So what's fun about CrossFit is that you become a part of a team but wow, have we done a crazy job of changing our environment. like they are crushed by type 2 diabetes and autoimmune diseases.

6:53 Wow. So what about processed foods? What about like ingredients and processed foods? What are the long-term negative effects of, you know, you hear that processed foods are bad for people. living we don't get enough sleep we eat the wrong types of foods we don't really exercise enough But yet people are getting sicker faster than they ever have. the fresh vegetables and fresh meats.

9:05 you're done and you're not going to get up and, you know, dust another plate of that. But when You see these people that have to get cut out of their houses. And it never happened in the past. You know, 1950s, it never really happened like that. When you look at those turn of the century people, they were all like little wiry dudes. at least like the turn of the century and there was a guy it was a sideshow and this guy played

11:27 It's so creepy, but yet so delicious. No wheat at all? a horrible feeling when it's over it's like what did i do it's just so just so much disappointment With Twinkies? and they're in it for like 10 minutes to go to work back and forth. He's been ignoring his cats. It was like smack, and then ran away. It's like a little baby water bed. concrete. Is that better

14:27 What do you roll with? if you sleep in a harder mattress. But our house, we have like four spare bedrooms. So, yeah. from just adjusting. You wake up with a kinked neck. ham in your bedroom yeah just sleep in a hammock man it seems like it would support you like really Yeah. time. There's a lot of other shit you could be doing, but you just don't do it as well when you don't sleep. Yeah, I agree. I I'm a big fan of

17:47 Going east is worse than going west. How is that possible? everything is tied into these internal clocks. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. olympic trials for the 2000 meter row by a hundredth of a second you know and you when you're She's been kind of crazy and then feeling guilty for it and then wanting to kill me. listen to him he's like well i don't even know why they fucking brought me here right you know

21:52 Right. details. And just I think for an athlete, They want to do everything themselves. Yeah, and especially when you're thinking about fighting where the consequences are so much greater than the one one-hundredth of a second in rowing. and you get knocked out, then it becomes even more crazy right protecting the sleep area like at gunpoint like the people sleep eight to ten hours, you know, if you have to kill somebody.

24:47 you're working a bunch of head movement and stuff like that. you don't access that, cook in the brain and actually become a part of your person part of the motor memory so it's a There's a lot of wrestlers who I think that is the most, I think they're the most mentally tough guys in the world. way to do it, right? If you want like optimum performance, and it's great that it makes them

27:07 It's really common, too. to a higher level right right and for a lot of people it's like when you have a you attain a signaling the biological signaling you when you fly you know from six time zones or eight time Yeah. I mean, that is fucking crazy. Yeah you know I would on muscle mass you know the 147 weight class you show up at 160 pounds swole as fuck like what the

30:18 or something stupid and be all fucked up by the time they got into the still dehydrated yeah So, they're a little bit more acclimatized to it. wonder, is it taking an equal amount out of both parties? You know, that's crazy. I mean, there's So the guy had to cut like some insane amount of weight the day before and that's what they kept saying to him i saw what

32:41 if you would you set them up every ideally every 10 pounds every five pounds how do you set them up? Would you set them up ideally every 10 pounds, every 5 pounds? and everybody flew in from Australia to see the fight, Right. A lot of experience and a lot of muscle. Oh, sorry, I'm 20 pounds overweight. Totally. And then you go and fight. But I think a lot of it is just that fluid around the brain is the shock absorber.

35:33 And then what about with the IVs? things in blood work that a week later you know like if you just shrink wrap a guy down like you and then kind of see where that but then you know doing some field testing where you you practice If is it that much more difficult to go down and does it actually then tank concentrating on skill work, right? during his fight camps right he says he doesn't doesn't believe in it he says uh he might lift a little weights he goes

38:45 little bit of that you do a little bit of position positional sparring on the ground you do a little Because I'm like, I'm not doing anything other than this for 30 minutes. in their head like say if you were a wrestler and you had a series of takedowns I think that is a fascinating exercise to see how much it would improve a guy the you know you've got to visualize it as detailed as you can to get the most benefit but you're

41:12 You know, Yeah. Like, it's so hard to do that when I see one of these things at a hotel gym I'm like alright you motherfucker machine but it's a fucking it's a brutal You just got to go crazy for 30 seconds. Yeah, I think I would like doing curls on the universal machine. I remember we had those in high school. Everyone's like, oh, shit. Isn't that funny that it's easier to push things as long as you don't have to balance them.

43:28 It's brutal, right? And then I do some handstand pushups, There's definitely something that goes on with when your body goes to a new place the endorphin rush is nice cause you just feel better from that. But whenever you heat your body do take melatonin to sleep, what is like best case scenario for you settling into a new time zone? I had friends that went to Australia.

46:00 actually watch the sun turn into darkness ideally Ideally be outside, yeah. Wow. Like it's an alarm clock almost. Doesn't it reverse there? Yeah. One's North Carolina, one's Montana, and one's Alaska. It's craziness. Meanwhile, he could be trapping right next to his fucking house. Couldn't find anything different. A new type of Asian? It's like their secret.

48:26 It's awesome. This dude who lives up there, man. Like, you could piss, and it's going to be frozen before it hits the ground yeah that's amazing maybe you could not me bro my piss is alive it's hot my piss will fight it off you drink your own I have drunk my own piss it's all in your head Wow This idea of urine therapy Does that sound retarded? get jacked from that.

50:16 They knew what the fuck was up. you know caterpillar with the fungus on it i just think people had lower standards in the past and it shoots you to the center of the universe. He goes, I'm thinking I'm already tripping balls. i think i would try meth first i'll be like i'll just blow that i don't know man the dude who did it the dude who did it i swear to god there's

52:35 I'm like, holy shit. poisoning sometimes also i learned a lot from food poisoning. They'd basically be like I think the name for these substances and when it's over, when it passes, The whole fucking thing falls apart on you. Do you at home be like super strict with the paleo? Yeah. Yeah. Give them here. It's tender. sort of a restaurant? I've never heard of that.

56:08 There's a lot of countries where they do eat bugs because they have to, right? And you ate this? No. It's a giant roach. Yeah, epinephrine or adrenaline. But they also have empanadas. It makes me hungry. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, like any wheat-containing item. for me, I would still have some problems with it. So I'm kind of like the canary in the coal mine

59:15 Yeah, it would make you sick. let it sprout and start smelling a little bit fermented It's kind of like just don't eat the business end of it and you're pretty good yeah yeah whichever end that may be so it And what is the problem? source you know of of proteins from meat and on a hormonal level you're releasing insulin and When they do that, when they do eat that concentrated protein source, is that sufficient? I, it'll, it'll work, but you, you know, it's like to eat the concentrated

1:02:05 typically the performance is not as good so i mean there is some that's the only way they would And so that's where like you take somebody eating a standard American diet that's super in it instead of, uh, beans, rice, quinoa and stuff. I would have yams, sweet potatoes, fruits, specifics, A chicken lays an egg every night. That's okay, eat the egg,

1:04:16 Yeah. going to kill the fewest animals and the vegans kind of paint this picture that if i eat beans than any other farm on the planet where is this where they do new hampshire i think polyface So there's that whole thing. What do you mean? Like they're relatively. And when we started because we're paying for the subsidized production of that food via taxes and via

1:07:22 you know, Sounds like a pain in the dick, though. You've got to get your kids involved. Not always, Brian. I tried the Atkins for a little while, and I swear to God, Just watching her sit there only eating cheese every day and bacon fat. And if you have somebody who's like type 2 diabetic, they would benefit a lot from something that looks like an atkins diet like type 2 diabetes is a hundred percent

1:09:44 potatoes stuff like that for the carbs. But meanwhile, if I were to go for a yam or a plate of spaghetti, I'm going to take that spaghetti because it's yummier and I feel like I'm getting away with something when I eat it. God damn. It's all cigarettes and macaroni and cheese. It's not going to go right. And he said, I think he was joking around about he was probably doing it wrong

1:11:46 Right. But yeah, he's a very strict vegan. you. That's why I think deer is head and the other cows near Right. you're gonna starve to death there there's some YouTube video of me killing a 650-pound elk with a hand-thrown spear. Where is this show? That would be fucking awesome. He has a sordid pass. They gave us clothes, but we had to learn how to make our own fire, make our own tools. And there was this guy, Billy, who was a primitive skills expert.

1:15:08 the weight loss show, but not letting them sleep, making them stay up late and play video games. avoiding the modern scenario so if you can figure out some way to get that thing well i think the Bring it all to the beginning. Holy shit. Really? I had lost 18 at all for eight days. Really? Super cool dude. the end of the world, the tail end of the dart whipped around,

1:17:50 So I'm a total coward, and I knew what we were going to be getting into doing this gig. and then you've got a long, flexible dart that looks like a really flexible arrow, No, it's the one that Jason was on. How accurate is it? than what I was aiming for. It's amazing that you had the strength to throw that thing. the ground but we had like a hut that we had built and stuff like that but it was fucking cold you

1:20:14 fucking elk with a spear odd waddle or whatever the hell it is at Right. make their way through the forest. There's something Yeah, those animals were amazing. Otherwise, they would have run. like six camera guys stomping through the underbrush. Cock blocking the fucking. And then my second one hit it. not not a lot yeah there was a mouse do you eat the you ate a mouse? Oh, what the fuck, man?

1:23:13 mice are pretty fast i guess that kills that theory oh my god have you uh what is that crazy But the idea is that they would take these birds, and it was some weird, ridiculous delicacy, where they would eat it. Yeah. It sounds like a mafia hit. You can bring your own foie gras to the restaurant and they'll cook it for you. There were some standards and some hygiene.

1:25:31 Right. They don't have gag instincts. Or just Jersey Shore. It's pretty creepy. Is that pita? They're silly. And I was kind of like, okay. Right. Silly bitch. You know, is that somehow or another You go crazy vegan all you want. It's not as good. I'm sorry's just not it's not well and that's why they're the vegans are always trying to make fake meat

1:28:53 it doesn't know what the fuck is going on. That is strange. that plants grow in the dirt you know that you know that corn or you know an apple or whatever Do we have to be concerned with a lack of minerals in the topsoil? Go through that door and the last door on the left. But my bladder, it doesn't hurt me. But I don't agree with that. I can just hold it longer.

1:31:20 Louis C.K. had a funny bit. I think that's amazing. Francis Ford Coppola's daughter, She's selling little portable wine in cans, like pop cans, and they're like the small Cokes. doing her own thing I don't know if it's at the same vineyard or not but that's where she's doing her own thing. I don't know if it's at the same vineyard or not. I want to make some portable wine, bitch.

1:33:32 $5 bottle of wine. How bad is alcohol for you? Yeah. for a female, a little bit less than that. But how is it healthful? Is it healthful because there's this process called hormesis where when you exercise, It's a stupid idea, but it was like if you smoke cigarettes, It's selling it like a hand job. You shouldn't do this. There must be cameras. yes!

1:36:14 but beer is loaded with gluten. heavy feeling from beer that i don't get from other things when i when i have a a couple of Half and half. Fuck it. Like, something with clear booze. I'll get one. You want to get one right now? Yeah. All right, go get some drinks. I'll do it. Fuck it. It's only 5.15. And when you look at the epidemiology probably the more you drink the

1:38:02 like crazy and you're using caffeine to like drive a So you can overdo it in that regard, coffee. Yeah. I, that's when you could overdo it. Interesting thing. Like if you, uh, for more Yeah. and like there's good studies showing that, But you've got to remove the delivery system, which is tobacco. Yeah, yeah. I feel like I'm going to throw up. Like, I felt it taking over me.

1:40:52 And even amongst young people, in 2012, the internet out there, for whatever reason, there's this weird romantic pull towards self-destruction through use of tobacco. that kids are going to gravitate towards it even more. Oh, my dad's an asshole. Yeah, because otherwise it's only us drinking. Whiskey now? It's a whole lot of vodka. How much do you have to be smoking to do that?

1:43:03 You don't see the same type of like carcinogenic effects, a lot for sure well the delivery delivery system changes the effects but it's also vaporizing which I could see that to some degree. What like mullein also, which is used for that. I could see that to some degree. They're super dangerous. because they may have a drink and then they take some Vicodin,

1:45:28 But a lot of our kind of drugs policy, even on the orthodox, you know, If you take NSAIDs in conjunction with exercise, you're blocking some of the adaptation. You know, but it's tough. But you use it in acute fashion. There's problems with increased tendon ruptures because the tendons don't heal, decreases I had always felt like it can't be good, but I had no idea it was that bad for you.

1:47:39 So when people, you know, when people say, oh, I have a headache, give me those things. What should you take when you have inflammation? walking around like, eh, what's that? like that's one gram yeah yeah um you take two grams yeah, you're an animal. How many capsules is that? Yeah. It makes a difference, man. When I don't do it, it sounds ridiculous. I take five in the morning and five at night. You're probably fine. So it's probably good? Yeah. It makes a difference, man.

1:49:32 Something that I do that I just incorporated because someone told me that you said this. I use coconut oil. Is that good? That's great. Yeah. I. To absorb the vitamins better? Yeah. Is that what it is? Yeah. I use coconut oil. Nope. rich it feels so ridiculously nutritious like right when i eat it my body's like whoa first Hey, you're not as good a man when it comes to eating

1:50:50 goose yourself at that point becomes an event yeah because i eat normal at night but that's It was all in front of him. You're happy. You're centered. You're feeling dopamine. Right, right. kale shakes, I mean, they make me feel great. eating this giant bundle of vegetables ground down to like a liquid. Right. You have to put fat on it. and stuff like that. And it's a, a bunch of the things that you would normally be able to get out

1:54:14 Something fatty. a lot of the products and food. So I think it's smarter to just take it with that. So you get like compact and multivitamins he doesn't want that ranch dressing which should he which i mean nuts that are nuts high in fat I mean, if you like it, definitely go for it. Oops. Normally always secure um so i so you don't need all those nutrients and how much vegetable uh nutrients do you need in a day if

1:56:47 might want to start with like some fruit or like some yams or some sweet potatoes or something like A couple hours later, four hours later, I train. enough protein in the morning so that my energy level is good, my blood sugar good and all that stuff and then i'm recovering from training by doing some post I've never heard anybody advocate bacon and eggs for breakfast with coffee.

1:58:33 Yeah. Somebody like you that's lean and athletic and doing a lot of activity, You know, so it's really important to consider who are we talking about? You want a burger. ideal thing is like a pretty good whack of protein with a little bit of carbs. It just keeps things nice. Should you not drink water while you eat? It is true. Totally. You know, when I get up, I usually do almost a quart of water.

2:01:57 that. That's six minutes. Usually I finish the water within like six to 10 minutes. And then I makes it so amazing. Two hour bacon. Yeah. That's like a fetish type thing. So like they gave me the perfect health score. because the one thing they ding me on, Yeah. thing people look at that like you need to go and get your body fat tested you need to get your

2:04:19 It's not even close, yeah. but it was like, right. Okay. Yeah. There's something seriously broken. What is your normal But, you know, wired into our brain, wired into our genetics is a really tightly controlled mechanism to know how much body fat we have. because it doesn't want you to be too lean. Tactical bacon. You're in a fucking bunker. The doomsday bunker.

2:07:16 It's a fetish thing. You're a moron if you do anything else. How do you get like a sear? They have a love of steak as well. No, I didn't hear about this. Let's do this the way these animals are supposed to be eating. problematic, when you feed cattle grains, it increases the stomach acid content in the cattle. of packing on more fat on the animal which makes it a little bit more juicy when you cook it yeah

2:10:41 That's when I say gamey. Grain-fed beef is a little bit more, well, they're sick. The one in Food, Inc. when they had the hole in the animal side because it and he asked the guy, hey, what do you feed animals to get them fat, Like the formula, the standardized formula in this huge tome of a book to get animals fat for sale was identical to like the food food ratio is recommended by the ada wow it's a fattening diet

2:13:13 And it was just woven into all of medicine. They had the Framingham Heart Study, which was 30, 30 000 nurses or something like that tracked over like 30 years and the nurses that ate the So like if you have too low of intake, you have a high rate of disease. it's like three to five grams a day. and they respond very negatively to it. aldosterone goes up and aldosterone causes your body to retain salt. And when you retain salt,

2:16:01 circling back around. Like sleep is only one or two nights of missed Yeah, I've never had the opportunity to mess with it. Oh, man, I've got to get you involved with it somehow or another sort of lengthens out. It feels, it's so so relaxing right so you you'll hear things go pop like you're like your muscles will like I think we've covered visualization and meditation.

2:17:52 you just can stay put It's yourself as introspective as you ever get. dark blackness, no sound, no nothing. It's an amazing environment. And it's great for relaxation, and almost like lucid dream type situations. You're going to fucking love it. Okay. And he's a master at this shit. And they really are. It is available, I'm sure, on Amazon. Is that what it is?

2:21:13 He's got one of those weird deals with Amazon. you want to lose weight if you've got an autoimmune disease if you're a high level athlete Yeah. Did you hear that? I think she's gay, dude. She just needs you, Brian. Most guys are fucking losers. Just having fun. Just talking shit. I don't really. I'm just talking shit, okay? Just having fun. Don't put it over your head.

2:23:08 I don't really think you should go out and kill all the sharks. You really think that's what I'm saying? I'm talking about mouth diarrhea. have to be able to get along with other people, Is that really what it is? We only have a certain amount of time. like we have all this fucked up stuff where we have people that want to marry It's hilarious. You don't hear a goddamn peep about them busting heroin dealers or busting Oxycontin factories or busting illegal shit like meth labs.

2:26:19 possible to do that work. They're going after some shit that's illegal that doesn't hurt anybody. I mean, it's one of the You're not. You know you're not. And yet It's coming from somewhere you fuck. Maybe the soldiers, the actual officers are the ones who are trying to make a difference. all these people that are in jail for something retroactively should be released i mean just

2:28:13 Fuck it could, but it doesn't seem like that's happening in our life. interesting and in this paleo scene it's a really interesting overlap with it like almost everybody permaculture and things like that. But there's a really powerful kind of libertarian element to at least they didn't have a label for it didn't have a direction to put all the facts in and you

2:30:59 It's really weird. And, you know, I think a lot of, you know, like the problematic things that pop up, like when you see people who are homeless, when you see families with kids who don't have a job and they don't have a home, then you want to do something to help them. And I think that there's lots of good intentions that, you know, the path to hell is paved

2:32:22 where instead of paying like 50% of my But if we create a vibrant society with freedom and we respect each other's rights, conservative side the stuff that that people rally behind but not I support the Second Amendment, but I mean, how many people really should have guns? Right. I mean, it's something designed to break the law. We trust them. We trust texting to have 660 horsepower. We trust them.

2:35:53 It makes us fat cunts. you know your retirement going into a government pool maybe you manage your own health savings You know, like my parents are unfortunately a good example. And he had a really rough, you know, end of his life. Yeah. They need a little fear to motivate them. It's going to, the lights are shutting off no matter when the fucking sun overcomes the

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