Joe Rogan Experience #252 — Jamie Kilstein Transcript

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2:57 Dude, people have gotten angry at Brian. you don't even know what you're talking about. system, changed the way it looks, I just want to have I forget what, I think it was Facebook. I started using Facebook. Let me try your Facebook app. And then it froze. And I was like, that's kind of cool. Things like that. But then, I'm like, I think it was Facebook. I started using

4:19 a really good camera. It's one of the things that's and look at things real quick. The iPhone wants to get silly and say that we're almost like 4G if you have AT&T. they might if they're growing up they're growing past their current stage of nerddom they're What's really crazy is the Apple TVs. in the theaters right now. and you look at Apple TV, like the new version is like $99

6:44 I was jealous of that camera. And then they went out, I figured like it should be its own website. Maybe I did, So pop FaceTiming on your... Well, there you go. I don't need you anymore. What the fuck are you wasting time for? We're going to force it to get there. brutality is my phone yeah mine is half of them is joey diaz smoking joints that's half the photos

9:27 But nobody likes it. I think it's gotten better. I think it was way worse before they were accountable. Yeah, so what happened was the dean, who was the one who called the police in, we don't have time for school because we're not going to tax billionaires. That's silly. And what ended up happening when she was leaving, it was, like, dusk, and there were thousands of people.

11:59 blue she the president of the UC Davis something well I want to say counselor Yeah, you're the guy that the frat gets back at. that's your foot yeah that's Day of the Dead. they really believe what the fuck they're doing it for. That's some right versus wrong shit right Right. like children. um, happened to like cops having to fucking subdue these people like why are all these like mma guys

15:33 ah, dude's getting tased. Just hold him to the fucking ground? By the way, the officers that are tackling to the ground, when you get in a physical altercation with somebody, Unless they tasered him to drop it, it looked like he dropped himself. these poor guys with families and lives and knees and bodies what they should If I have to, like, leave my, like, I had to leave Vegas at, like, 5 in the morning.

17:54 do that again he's dead he won't he's dead everybody else knows now you can get fucking it all trickles down from the top. they've seen when it comes to brutality. people going back to uh kids and shit like that it's like because i have met a lot of well wait And then they have Mentally ill I don't think you should mainly because like then they're really like

20:04 about first dates when should a girl with them and just be like, so what kind of music are you into, man? Yeah, like, what do you think about first dates? The us versus them permeates,ates man i used to work as a He had a group of psychopaths working for him. But our job, essentially, I got hired. who were tough-ass Boston dudes. to fuck people up.

21:55 who encouraged you Yeah, well, for the protest in chicago uh the first day the cops were actually like the cops i talked to I've been wearing jiu-jitsu shirts ever since the protest. Just don't run onto baseball fields. how to fire a gun but well you know what when you're a woman i think you know dealing with without having your tits like that you know what i mean probably it's like and thinking about creepy

24:37 the cool uncle, but I'm like, man, too many uncles And what happened was we kept breaking through the police lines for some reason. pictures asking what the kid's name is you had lawyers the lawyers guilds would thing that was like a side like Occupy is not hardcore enough for us. What did you see? On tour. We interviewed two that were convinced. Totally.

27:25 And they're like, took a bus. wait a second. We just have people try to pretend to fit in with different organizations, Yeah what's up bro Because you'd see them later of low-hanging fruit with hippies lost hippies probably a lot of smelly pussy dude it's like But I'm like. dude, Yeah. white, and so we knew I was pressed. You gotta do it because someone could take a fucking sound clip of that.

30:29 We had a friend in New York who used to do the psychological evaluations for the first level for police training. That's a super, protect people. Why do you want to be a cop? Of course. I grew up with a cop. Well, because I grew up too much about my childhood but i do specifically remember my father beating the fuck out of a Right. Little simple things, like you missed your exit and you try to get in front of them.

33:38 I was taking the train from Penn Station. You have a completely different occupation. with the cops is they should be getting paid when we first started talking about occupy he was like yeah you know like i totally support him and fucking cops. You know what I mean? Uh, it's gonna breed so much fucking resentment, uh, towards Putting people in a situation where the cops have to listen to, look, not every protester is fucking smart.

36:40 To do that and not want to spend money on schools and not want to spend money on cops, is just indicative of how corrupt our society is. It's a sign of corruption. But what happens if we don't fund And then you get out of jail. committing crimes that are the problem it's how these children get into this position where they crime. Yeah. They paid for the police that protected your corporation from being robbed.

39:20 here's the, the the people you're describing are out there for sure there's a lot but they hail in comparison Back before the Affordable Care Act, which I have problems with, again, before anyone threes me. And so then what happens? Well, he doesn't have all being raised by idiots in a terrible environment, I have always said, and I say it on this podcast all the time,

41:37 them an opportunity. And I think there's plenty sense of community, building up a sense of community, making sure that everyone has food, There's a guy who can teach you jujitsu. okay in my you know whatever we call death squad or immediate if anyone of my like you know the issue with this comic and it's beautiful. i mean i think like chael had that quote where he was saying that like liberals don't uh liberals

44:44 anybody but yeah people will be upset at me personally because i've made money i had a couple I mean, everything I do for money. I'm trying to make people laugh. I'm trying to explain jiu-jitsu. I'm not hurting anybody. sense that's not really my crowd uh and so you know talking about drone strikes did literally you get an apartment you fucking sell out an apartment in the backs of your listeners

46:36 we can't afford to pay anymore and i was like right on you know we were going back we were But glitter on undercover gay dudes who are mean to other gay dudes, that shit is beautiful. Because Marcus Bachman, if you don't know who he is, Well, they have one of those gay conversion camps that he runs. And they're all like, guys are hugging you from behind with their boners pressed into your ass.

48:17 It's a high time that that becomes ridiculous. My favorite part about that was – so they're like big – they look like hockey players. That's hilarious. They should have that for gay America. What a dumb chant. Right, USA. a silly dummy that has no right running the world. read uh you know the big atheist books and stuff there was part of me that didn't want to go around

51:31 That's fine with me. That that It depends on who you're pushing in the street. and it became like a bit that's in my act now, but it really did. We're just trapped in different worlds. you would be him. that has to go through life and make the decisions. Yeah, just don't be a fucking piece of shit. Well, the problem is it's like I really don't think that the majority of Americans are like racist, homophobic pieces of shit.

55:13 They're angering Jesus. go after the immigrants than it is to you know what I mean it's easier to blame like uh a Ron Paul it's easier to blame a Ralph Nader then it's I mean, that's like a Tuesday thing, but not like all week. Shout at the Devil. Shout! and aggressive uh against smaller people at jujitsu the dude who sucks at jujitsu who's But it's that same fucking ego, right?

58:10 you have to surrender all your dreams you have to hate your fucking spike kids that you had get married so if one of them fucking is dying the other one can't see him in the hospital bed but You're weak. They're just they just fucking crave like this chicken guy this chick-fil-a guy Probably. There are political issues that I can disagree with people on.

1:00:55 But for someone to wake up every day and be like, whole crazy ride that we're all on. That is a problem with people that have not been raised to accept other people's happiness. I never went to church. Like start alienating people and just be fucking miserable. and until that happens, I'm just going to live like there's no God or whatever. decipher the the very matter that that can constitutes the universe they're trying to

1:03:57 to all of this. And they're not exactly Torture's totally bad. He hears I think you're a lot of people it actually How about that? And there's a lot of people that, for whatever reason, it makes them feel better. charitable because there was a part of me but I was also fucking poor but you were also probably I actually took all those cliches about, you know, live every day like it's your last and

1:07:21 even though i was on stage criticizing religion sounds Sounds like a match made in heaven. I know. I didn't think I believed in it for real. You will never feel like you're not in the way. Yeah. When you go to Catholic church and Catholic school, especially like in fucking Harrison, They're certainly not homophobic. And I'm like I'm just going to try to be a good person for the right reasons.

1:09:13 where you're hanging out with all your best friends other people that are trying to be a nice person as well take responsibility for your own fucking When you wrote that thing on jiu-jitsu, people started passing it around I'm like at least And one of the reasons is that their ego gets confronted with reality on a daily basis. And when you tap or when you get dominated or even when you defeat someone, you learn something from the process.

1:11:10 No, and even in other arts, if you're a shitty musician, you can tell yourself that people don't get you and that you're trying to do something. You support this fucking blood sport. Mac dancing's a vegan. can try to fight your way out chickens uh but fucking but what's so interesting to me is like It was my first competition. Yeah, yeah. It went awesome.

1:12:57 No, I'm better at more – I don't even like training anymore. And the reality is because, first of all, you don't spar hard every day. You certainly shouldn't. People are hitting you in jiu-jitsu? Well, because that's jiu-jitsu. Yeah. Usingazzes because you need to know that a guy can do that. Well, because that's jiu-jitsu. do this thing where you literally feel like you're like am i because there's it's just like

1:15:03 marcello garcia geeks was the only fucking gi i had and you know drysdale's fucking fought marcelo right and fucked up and scary because dudes are like jumping at each other's backs and driving each other And maybe this goes back to, like he's a fucking long lost relative oh yeah man you don't think twice about it yeah and and They think it's dangerous sure

1:17:23 Like fucking needs and one of the needs is men have a desire to prove themselves. And there was a dude in the class. Like yeah, there is that fucking male testosterone. Did he say Mark Maron that I – chances you're not going to get better but if you take chances you're going to fail and you have to like what could i have done and he told me and i went and fucking wrote it down and i was like all

1:20:31 What did that happen? What were you trying to fight? That's a bold motherfucker. baseball player who fucked up just like sit it out or at least like if he's going to go on tv and talk about how we need to bomb iran like under his name it should never wrong in his eyes. If you listen to conservative talk radio, which I do all over there and it's the same with iran you know the people who want more with iran aren't saying

1:23:21 He's right. A video game. So it was like, to crazy people, this shit resonates. because he's someone else who has who actually has said you know the muslim stuff so it's another Well, here's what I wanted. die or he's gonna have to respond and just be exposed for being a fucking chicken shit which You know he's not skillful at it. It's kind of creepy.

1:26:47 look, you're lefty, vegan, socialist-y bullshit. Because you open up the door take if i was an asshole that you could take them but you're being nice and i'm saying you don't know of course i'm silly And he doesn't want to quit. and in in the whole uh in the article i wrote i was like i'm not encouraging a society of violence You are putting yourself in this champion role.

1:29:29 The only problem was no one – it was the first time that these fucking remarks and things got attention because – do was draw attention where it's like look i did not start uh the violent rhetoric violence was You look at, you know, a lot of these fucking like right wing militia types like they're looking for people to fucking give them permission to do it.

1:31:10 I really think you should never do that again. You're introducing yourself into an argument. of the attention as it did um and so like sometimes you didn't accomplish anything you're you're saying Because I don't like that people can go on publicly and make livings with rhetoric that gets people killed. because, you know, that vegan showed me the way.

1:33:12 I'm going to represent socialists And then you're going to fight and represent and represent him really if he was that into it which has been said throughout history. When you respond to one thing in particular, it better be warranted because people aren't going to take into account the history of someone's, you know, you know, obsession for violence.

1:34:39 Do you think Iraq was a success? when Daniel Tosh said to a woman, she yelled out, And like, what's funny? guys raped her right now which is the comedian thing to say in that scenario and is in no way and saying, of course he can't joke about rape because it's nothing funny. And then she self-righteously interjects, actually, rape is never funny. I wouldn't have even thought about defending a heckler,

1:37:42 which I still believe in. it was no one censors a would be a lot of fun to hang out with. And so ever since kind of doing more, defend our own and that's a pretty absolute stance to take um in this particular situation though No one is. Fuck you. to say something stupid That's what you said. of course he was saying something ridiculous and quick of course not of course not of course not

1:40:47 Let's say... 25% of all women have been raped. It's the one I saw was one in every six. dude i went on fucking msnbc and talked about i did 15 minutes on rape last night but you see if you keep talking, okay. I've had shit thrown at me. Lots of women don't report simple sexual assault. when they talk about rape, after being raped But if there is a girl in an audience,

1:44:16 I do think that that girl having a fucking flashback He's responding to someone saying something really stupid about rape. didn't do it for noble reasons no but i mean to say that this guy that his his idea with him saying where it is in a 100% uncensored ride And I'm not saying this is well-suited. That's just an emotional response. You remember, remember like she needs to grow the fuck up and

1:46:59 on you know someone having an ad lib to deal with a heckler, what you're doing is you're supporting the idea If rape can ever be funny, it can be funny for a heckler that's not again that's the opposite of what i said but if rape can ever be When you're dealing with a nightclub comedian All you're talking about is rape. about it i was like that's another comic who's you know whatever when i started getting started getting really upset and writing the angrier tweets and writing more and more about it.

1:49:09 And it was just so bizarre. I mean, I was watching these bloggers who have blogged about being rape survivors retweeting these people who – like these amateur comics and people like that who thought if they fucking tweeted some rape survivor, fucking Daniel Tosh would be friends with them or let them like open for him. Of course, you're going to get backlash or blowback.

1:50:08 I said bloggers, feminist bloggers who have written about being rape survivors were getting rape threats. The Jonah Goldberg thing was one thing. But this I wasn't trying to make about me. The Jonah Goldberg? That's the other guy? It's not about – no. Because at no point was I trying to make this one – the Jonah Goldberg thing was one thing. I don't think that's funny.

1:51:00 But again, when I started talking about rape culture, it wasn't specifically when I half-heartedly retweeting about just dudes saying They analyze TV. I'm going to tell that person I hope they get You haven't checked your Twitter since we've been on this podcast. Yeah, we don't. I don't know, man, but that's the thing that you— Right? It's okay for me not to think it's fucking funny.

1:54:17 are that's not the hold on stop first of all if you say that one in six does that mean one in six You've used, like, hyperbole. Oh, you had to insert that seven, you fucking recognize her verbally, why don't you recognize it with T saying you should be right i do i do because i'm a because again, to joke about people There's tons of fucking people probably sitting around shaking.

1:56:20 Don't say the word rape. No, that's not listen to you and come up with he's contributing to rape culture is preposterous. I don't think that Daniel Tosh wanted that girl to get raped. was in the audience who got her face eaten up by a chimp and everybody laughed? Were you drinking when you were getting together with the chimp? Shutting down a heckler

1:59:03 She's a moron way. And again, I don't want to became viral and that's why it became an about it's not it's not about being horny it's a crime it's a psychological crime that's a crazy censored a lot of people wanted him fired the chair from the I didn't I I'm not. Not at all. he wasn't serious, and you're saying I never said so he has to stop you're still saying he contributes to rape

2:02:34 That's not a culture, dude. They're allowed to have their reactions and start saying, oh, I'm going to fucking rape one woman who all of a sudden everybody and you had to comment on but then it dummy. If he said he hopes a unicorn comes down and drowns you with his piss, is that real? Come I didn't say you. like five comedians who said something that we're the reason that these girls started getting rape

2:05:37 Isn't that your rape culture though? There's no denying that, right? And you're opening yourself up to unwarranted and unnecessary criticism. I don't have – You got way too many white men. It doesn't mean that you're right. As a comic, What Tosh did is stop what was fucking up the show. So she'd be a photo of her with a red line across her face. If you're scared of violence, you shouldn't sit front row at a UFC fight.

2:08:59 You're a dummy who doesn't belong in a comedy club. don't go to a UFC fight. But again, like you thought it was, you know, and we were talking about how good it is when It's someone who's cracking jokes on stage trying to make people laugh. You should explain yourself in great depth. I heard most of the audience laughed really hard. Yes, of what happened.

2:11:07 what would you guys like to talk about? if that happened, then yeah, Is it the violence? and cut out the part where he was detailing If she's self-righteously yelling out, actually, rape is never funny, and yet I still agree with him and I disagree with her and her saying that it's not a joke is And they were having a great time. She says no sexism. She says no gay jokes.

2:14:25 He was a very funny guy, but he was particularly shy. which is his punch line okay so she's standing on stage right after he says that and she stopped him you're a national headliner, and yet you can't let an open-miker I go, I'm done. to a open mic comic No, it's about you enforcing your own ego and bullshit on other people. the joke it wasn't it like the equivalent of if there was one black guy

2:17:52 And why do so many people want to cry victim when they're just stupid? This is not a victim issue. Well, and that's what I was telling you. But you know what he can still go to a comedy club and know about the time where he almost lost his life with a You're right. You're right. You're right. Murder's worse than rape. And yeah, you're going to have bad memories.

2:20:09 Because rape is horrible for the person that gets raped. but to say that one, rape is worse who is raped has access to Stop it with your murder jokes. You know, oh, what's funny about murder? Where would you stand on that? it is the same issue it certainly is because murder is getting fucking reported there's not a and you're saying that a situation happened,

2:22:20 We're not talking about reality. I would rather if someone is gonna have to live with Yes. You would rather be murdered than raped. I would rather... I say it is. if I Jamie you're talking nonsense keep bringing up the feeling first fucking And we're saying that murder is worse than rape. It's not stigmatized more than murder, man. who raped someone, I want to find out what the

2:24:18 if he was raped by his parents. It's not nearly as complicated. There's a lot more differences why people murder you than rape you. So it's an unfair comparison. But murder is worse. wouldn't it be funny to her to say on stage funny. Punchline, wouldn't it be funny It's you're not dealing with the context of the situation where someone was reacting to

2:26:17 Do I have to pee? Like you don't think everything a comedian does is funny. Right, so for those people, that was a great moment. Nobody defended Cook because it wasn't a good joke. that the movie was so bad. He's trying to crack a good joke. But this went well. I don't like anything cunty. You also should shut your fucking mouth at a comedy club. like i don't know as tedious as it may be or whatever i would much rather i just i don't know

2:29:12 Yeah, that would be worse. That's worse than rape, the Unicorn Piss one. is asking the audience, The joke was funny. Every time I met him, he's been real friendly to me. He's a tiny dude, too, right? like Liz Winstead saying, first of all, it wasn't a joke. I had this girlfriend what to do and then after I got off stage the thing is it's like but that is censorship you have debated before, and it's not.

2:31:17 you are saying it should be censored. because they know that they're going to get a bunch of people You write things on Twitter, fellow liberals. twitter but i know who's more vocal i knew that i was going to get shit for this i wasn't like You just were ready for a fight, and you said, like, I have to stand my ground. just an opinion. It's a stance.

2:33:09 You just happen to disagree with this one. So clearly I did not take the popular stance. But you are. when the dude threatened me, At Cap City. Again, I had to deal with a worse version of a heckler. about violent acts is not a part of being a good person. to say in that scenario. If it's been reported But the also reality is, you shouldn't yell out

2:35:36 Some dumb guy just stood up and started yelling something in the middle of the show. You know what he's going through. We're on team stand-up. All right? God damn it. Listen, this Friday, we've got a killer it's Jeff Ross yeah um yeah just a new roasting show on Comedy Central tonight burn all right so And, of course, rape is terrible, folks. Folks, tomorrow night, or tomorrow day,

2:37:44 Tony Hinchcliffe. Thanks to Alienware for hooking us Be nice. There's so much rape in my timeline. Seven times. One, you've got to get your own shit together so that nice people would want to be around you. Go buy yourself some Alpha Brain to get clear thoughts like these. We're living in a fucking police support. Thank you, everybody that came out

2:39:55 She's gonna rape me. I think this is rape culture.