Joe Rogan Experience #266 — Rich Roll Transcript

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0:00 This weekend we're being in Toronto, Ohio, but this Wednesday we have a fucking gnarly show here at the Ice House. and Francisco Ramos, That's right. We're finna get busy. It gives me a lot of energy. and that's a good way to get your day started. You know, when college is over, triggered me to do something about it. And so what action did you take specifically?

3:37 So but she would do like a juice cleanse pretty much every year, you know, and that was fine for her. i kind of weaned myself off food for a couple days and just did juice for a couple days and then kind And it was just about how many calories can I put down my throat and trying to fill myself up. And it's giving you this rush towards something and just blow off the gym and take a nap

6:04 It is hard man it is yeah none of that is good for you so much it's way better i would you know imagine if you just and you're such a huge corporation, you're getting the low-rent shit. It's powerful. Didn't they just have, like, a little bit of a scandal there, though, Probably wasn't like the Zancou murders. You ever want to go to war? or rather the inspectors,

8:53 But the U.S. school lunch program, they also provided food for them. What are the numbers in something like that? But how many cows do you think they use like just in and out yeah I'd like meat It's almost like grocery stores in a certain way. I was at a grocery store that has a butcher shop in the very nice and wrapped up and you go, this one is It's really strange.

11:23 They're terrified of losing their lives. It's a very good question. Essentially, we've bred cows to this domestic form from wild cows. You're going to just let the old ones die? Are you going to let some of them breed? You know, positive and and i think that you know when you when you talk about vegan and the word vegan and Like Matt Danzig is a vegan and he's a great guy.

14:19 He's an awesome guy. kind of in your face way. But, you know, it's right up there with religion and politics. It really is. You know, you have the people who are into it automatically a democrat or you know what is your political point of view and all these things get like spiritually like as a race like we're getting away with this really heinous shit because we can because it's easy

17:27 damning that human beings in the idea of maximizing profit have decided to run these ridiculous places where you're packing pigs right next to each other in these little boxes and you see the to feed livestock, something like 90% or something like that. Those goddamn animals ruined India. And they're the ones who have the big issue. man that's like the worst case scenario is like you're living around animals who stink up the air

19:47 or you want to eat these fucking delicious cows? a pattern of behavior based on our surroundings Do you know what it is? That's got to be weird. little bit of health scare. So that's when you decided to go vegan. Yeah. So I did, so I did could feel that good or I hadn't felt that good in 15, 20 years. It's pretty amazing. perspective and a recovery perspective like I went to rehab 14 years ago and so a lot of like the way

23:10 Maybe I would for like a week or two, but I would definitely fall back into my regular old behavior pattern. on the couch and lethargic. And I was ready to just bag it. But I thought, I wonder what would like not eating the meat. Wasn't that hard for me, but getting rid of the dairy in my diet, you know you break the cycle and now I don't think about it that much like every once in a while I'll

25:34 Anthony Bourdain loves pork so much. The statins. you know, And it's not their fault. And it's kind of alarming and eye-opening to realize that that's not necessarily the case, You don't have this in your body. But in massively increasing the amount of plant nutrients I get into my body, But the, the difference is the kale shake gives me this fucking steady energy.

29:09 It's like a similar thing. You're an animal. I, I had a bunch of other stuff in there. That's what I'm talking about. It's that stuff. like a World War two relic even the design of it looks like it's been around so the greens as well yeah you can put the greens in and then it'll turn everything red like even if Even if I haven't been training recently, it's amazing how much more energy I have.

32:43 fucking joke i read this thing about babies being born in Colorado that like Check out some rhubarb while you're at it, Joe. I'm a human being, man. It smells good. started exercising again you know mainly because I just had all this energy I had to burn off. I'd never really ridden a bike before, and this was when I turned 40. I just started running, and I just felt amazing, you know?

35:35 Dude, that's some Forrest Gump shit. change or I've just unlocked some dormant gene inside me, but this felt good. And then I was But I figured it seems like there's those Ironman races that are like every weekend somewhere. but uh i was at jamba juice one, like maybe a month after that experience, And he decided that he was going to go, he was going to find the 10 most difficult endurance

38:18 Like he literally had like fallen into it So the first day is a 6.2-mile ocean swim followed by a 90-mile bike. Like, you had to apply to get into this race. You know, it wasn't like I was looking for a race to go see how fast I could go or how many guys I could It was like I just knew I was going to do that race. thinking about it and I needed to like just if she was gonna tell me like

41:37 And she had every reason to just say, well, you know, already in this was back in early 2008 and I mean it's a long story but ultimately she ended up That's crazy. So for 2009, I trained my ass off and I went back and I ended up getting out. If that was a race car, that would be a ridiculous amount of time. all your clothes because you're going around the island you're not going back to where you started

45:19 on the rivet and going hard it's gonna be to digest calories, and the kind of calories become more important Like a lot of endurance athletes run or whatever, you know, and then how can we lightly baked um because if they're overcooked that like fries a lot of the I mean, somebody probably does. Is it really that bad to eat them raw that we have to fucking jazz everything up with

47:34 Let each other know how good shit tastes when you cook it. Well, I don't know. Ezekiel? And top it off with a Coca-Cola or perhaps a Pepsi-Cola? the difference but yeah i think it you know you can't be just hammering coffee all day long i like And boy, was that a trip. And it was over a course of a few days where I was like really hitting it like if I have ever anything wrong with me,

50:52 Yeah, snaps you right back. middle of it it feels great but it's like that first step of doing that first squat doing that And like the next day I feel like a little more charged up. Let it build up to more. And there's a lot of like down wasted time. I think everybody has a different sort of biology. It's like my body's become most certainly addicted to that release and it

54:03 never have to go anywhere it's always maximizing sanity yeah i need it i don't know some It was strange. Are you saying you literally don't eat food all day? You go all day, below 170 right gotcha you've just been rickrolled you don't think this motherfucker doesn't want to There's this rapper named Nipsey Hussle, and he has a song called Rich Roll.

57:39 good like plant-based ones i have this uh nutrition guru my nutrition guru, my buddy, um, Compton Rom. He's got a, And so I would go to his house, and his house looked like, in his kitchen, And he's always trying to help help me with my like training and racing nutrition by giving me We have to realize that we have like 10 times your microbial ecology in your gut can trigger your nervous system and actually

1:00:24 But if you go to Jack in the Box every day or you eat Lean Pockets every night, So Morgan Spurlock, when he first starts out, remember he's like getting sick when he's eating McDonald's. the argument that that could be you know attributable to a change in his microbial ecology. that specifically makes you want And I was like, check, please. Yeah, I think he let out that it was the burger and I think the fries too, maybe even.

1:02:38 i know and his numbers from that movie like just after 30 days his doctor was like yeah this is bad yeah crazy i would say is that that you know i have a lot of respect for rob you know i think rob great guy kale shakes, like don't eat kale shakes either. You don't need to. Right, right. So there's a lot about paleo that I think is fantastic. They eschew dairy. They eschew processed foods. I think the only oil that they say is okay is olive oil in moderation.

1:04:54 like obesity, and the obesity figures are insane, like 40% of Americans are going to be obese by is a food-borne illness. You know, you can not only prevent it, you can actually reverse it. And So if you're feeling like shit, right. Go to Cleveland. He's yeah. They know what's up there. And to a large degree, it's still not popular. It's not. Okay, that makes more sense.

1:08:17 your doctor is most likely going to prescribe you statins. book and you know the documentary forks over knives to get people sort of paying attention Or have they done vegetable nutrition and grass-fed meat and natural meat? And what do they attribute that to? And what does it do specifically to the human body? which is the protein in the dairy. That proves problematic.

1:10:22 and the activator for starting these ailments and diseases is animals Zero. That's incredible. But there's quinoa and hemp is a very complete protein. own experience with this, when I first started on the vegan diet, you know, I was nervous about that, and my endurance is continuing to improve. That's different from urine therapy. and you can only get real good protein, quality protein from animal products.

1:14:11 I'm pretty sure. It's a very specific kind of sport that's very different from jujitsu or sprint running or anything like that. And I have to constantly remind myself that that was what motivated me to do this to begin with. grandfather who was a champion swimmer died of a heart attack in his early 50s and you know i have nutritional requirement, and that some people really shouldn't eat red meat and some people really should be vegetarians.

1:16:27 any of that no no but hasn't there been evidence that different people that that grow up in different parts of the world have different nutritional requirements like for instance Yeah, in the Inuit population. reason the seeds aren't but the seeds the seeds have like the case you know like they have that animal products, dairy meat tend to be very acid forming. Like your body has a certain pH, at the acidic or the alkaline nature of the foods that you're eating you know and and animal

1:19:02 And that's a state in which, you know, you're you're not getting sick, you're recovering more quickly It doesn't necessarily make you a better athlete, right, you know, those essential fatty acids, right, that are important. I mean, you know, we, you know, there's a lot of talk I've been on like a really high fish oil diet I notice a difference in like how my joints feel.

1:21:40 But that it was like. like to just subscribe to. unless you were into it strictly from the point of view of staying vegan he puts up videos like almost every day and they're short they're like two to five minutes to drop the most weight before I had to dehydrate myself. first became it was from martial arts competition before i had to worry about my diet i didn't i

1:24:51 feeling that you get when you have the satisfaction of a fat ribeye and it's just perfectly cooked stuff man and then see how you feel if you have all these goddamn issues as far as your diet as far as your sleep as far as you know stress levels get clean up that shit first I would have never predicted. And it honestly started with like changing my diet, you know?

1:27:09 to what it was like, you know, a hundred years ago? Do you think we're happier? Do you think And then you can be happy. And it's, it's like a feeling of being in freefall. And you have a choice you can, you know, I was man it's sad and you know i look at you you've built this thing here you're doing what you love It's very, very difficult and scary.

1:29:36 I just didn't want to get brain damage. like that and uh i knew that it was not good for you so for me it was like i had and that is possible as well and the the ability to mix up between the striking and the grappling and the fact that you have so many different options if you have a creative and And there's no takedowns and there's no rear naked choke

1:32:01 I was 21. yourself out from the machine? Well, I, I had, uh, you know, I left corporate law firm life But I was able to structure my life so that I could make that possible. It's certainly not like I knew this was my path. that was a terrifying move that i would only make when i was 21 and you know when you're 21 you're Oh open the door Brian and make it louder

1:35:26 You might think you're good. I guarantee you. Thank you. in the most formative period of your life. you know, whether it's playing the guitar or whatever it is that they're just passionate about, yeah, it's terrible. And, and, and it, it almost like it doesn't even matter what it is. You know, we'd probably be better off. And I think people would be happier if that was a priority.

1:38:34 Of course. You know, it made it kind of cool. You know, you figured out a way to put a long time ago. Yeah, Kickstarter changed the whole game of begging. It made it kind of cool. Them like change all their colors No, no, no. So it will cost a lot of money because you're going to actually get the product. that made millions of dollars off this uh where'd that go by the way that fucking was the quickest

1:40:42 It could be the biggest thing ever and then it's immediately forgotten. He's not getting the emails today. outside. Stop listening to this fucking show. insane so i i'll listen to your podcast, a couple other podcasts, You can't have more than an hour. You don't have to listen. keeping it coming like that's the most important thing is the momentum keeping it coming and then you become a part of people's sort of daily routine and when you become a part of

1:42:48 Yeah. I just thought – and I listened to it. I was like, that is he having like a guy's running for Congress on his show? I just thought, and I listened to it. I was thinking about it the other day because he's the first guy from like That kid can be president. He's coming from a very different place, and is talking about things I think it's very important

1:44:36 and went, this is horseshit. headed to his job then any than any one thing that people have said to me other than fear is not a in mind. None of that stuff in mind. They were're just this is a plumber this is a vacuum salesman this is go down that path son you'll be an electrician and you know The culture of our own creation Yeah. You gotta, You've got to do it before you develop any fucking baggage.

1:47:17 a lot of a lot of weirdness in this world and then the one of the most depressing things to be around Those guys go fishing for crab just to fucking know I'm alive. I feel like I'm not doing anything. This place is haunted. Oh, his podcasts are haunted. And then mine, which just crashed recently, so he may be podcast haunted. And Joey was on the phone with me yesterday.

1:49:43 He's 70 years old. Why? He doesn't like to listen to messages. Even if you have like... Yeah, that phone might as well be solid wood. When everyone had cell phones, he still had a pager. Yeah. You're texting? Yeah, for real. That's what started it all. other dude like super loud and he's maybe he like heard the cheryl crow story and he's worried about

1:52:49 Before, like in 2005, my Showtime special, I totally mocked text messaging. I remember that. and intently, it's so non-peripheral. They're nuts. computer all your contacts come it takes you i mean if you lost your phone it's not the most some people have it hooked up to their phone where they get a text message every time someone tweets any sort of a mention of their name.

1:55:23 I'll have people just, oh, I think I already have. and they're like, did you respond to my text? Do you respond to fans? and how evil they are. But it's so easy to block them. In a way, it's good because people can talk about things, especially like people that have sensitive jobs and people that are at work. I'm looking at my Twitter feed, And Devo is me, is his Twitter Bitch, you're not Devo. And it's Devo is me is his Twitter name.

1:57:50 ago when you had you retweeted like a video i made of a kale shake or something like that we had a you know, Yeah. People are very threatened by the kale, Joe. Now they're in the death squad army, and if they feel like they're being attacked by vegetarians, and sit there in front of some shit that, to me, but it doesn't mean that it's not awesome to you.

2:00:00 It's one of the dumbest things to lose. more positive interactions you'll have. Very rarely does. you have to be a loser. if you're trying to fuck up their enjoyment you're trying to fuck you got something wrong with you Well, we're still all connected to it, just by virtue of living here know you need to get a kickstarter account to get uh every need that gto a muscle car

2:03:05 called The Wild Within. Like you would kill a water buffalo with a musket and shit like that. And that our bodies are essentially the same as the bodies of people that lived 20,000 might have killed that little guy. Sorry. Sorry, squirrel. fuck this. you know, That means you don't set up bait. every day goes to get his food and by bloomy his heart blows out of his chest and he's done he lies

2:06:37 No. These people are really loud. Like it's impossible to get in and out of there. It's fascinating. bred to be endurance athletes or or runners out as a result of this you know thousands of however Like, they'd keel over, they'd get hit with a rock or whatever. and formulate a vision of how things went down. had an approach to food because of what was available to them in a different way than somewhere else.

2:10:11 Like, there's some cave art now that they've discovered now that they're looking at, like, and then we had this big fucking fort. Spending a week chasing down one gazelle. You know, people that are, they get upset if you want to go hunting, yet they're wearing leather. Well, it's weird because in some ways I feel like it's changing and it's getting better.

2:12:56 it was like the local news and that was how you got your news, you know, and you're going to That's the question, right? the idea of the lack of civil liberties, You know what I mean? Well, that's insane. But if all the humans died, the earth would thrive. You have to have something that cleans things up. It's weird. i mean they communicate with each other we had a thing on fear factor once where we covered these

2:17:15 So they worked it out. And this guy said they had to work this out. I'm like, are they up there talking? And he's like, it happens all the time. There's a lot of confusion about how they do it and what level of communication they actually have because they're so alien to us. Well, they're not disappearing. Little tiny microscopic robots that go out and pollinate shit what is that so hard yeah why do

2:19:38 Like, say, if there's local colds going on, that it would be a good antioxidant, was some place in santa monica that was selling raw milk and uh government like clamped down they What I found out though is that raw milk Yeah, there's certain companies I was under the mistaken impression that it was illegal because they pulled it out of Whole Foods.

2:21:34 There's websites that are... good. Like at a certain point in time, with a foil top yeah exactly does i mean does that even exist anymore i bet somebody must offer is this idea that it's a low-carb focus, right? in a certain respect, is kind of an extrapolation of the Atkins diet, you know, which is where And when people are dropping death of heart attacks left and right, and it's a gigantic problem, and you know,

2:25:39 I think there's a lot of cool stuff about paleo like i love the evolutionary fitness aspect of it you eat healthy, or everybody wouldn't be keeling over with heart disease. And so from everything that I've read, the best way to prevent that is to cut the meat and dairy and he said he tried a vegan diet and and ultimately he lost a ton of weight. means, you know, similar to paleo, getting rid of the oils, you know, or, you know, reducing the oils.

2:28:22 But those also, you know, contribute to arthrosclerosis and stuff like that. What? order to, you know, get the calories that I need to train the way that I want to train. Like in endurance sports, you're always looking at, you know, you want to really emphasize the fat-burning zone, for energy, you're only going to be able to go about 90 minutes before you run out of fuel,

2:31:24 By being very specific about the training zones So you have your power meter, program accordingly and so when you're training for endurance or ultra no longer in the fat burning zone and I was getting into the glycogen burning zone. like if you want to go fast, More and more efficient. I never, I always buy them and I just fucking leave them sit there and I just work out and i'll just work out hard and then i'm done well and you know coming from

2:35:23 reach a certain level of fitness and aptitude and what you're trying to do, but you're very quickly going So it's all about pushing the heart rate at a certain pace, Maintain the same heart rate of 145. I feel like I did some work. conditioning for martial arts, like say kettlebells or something like that, they should also do the thing, but it would seem to me that in the off season or quite a bit of time before you get into

2:38:38 other guys can't compete with like he uses his endurance he uses his very strong endurance base And because of that, you know, he's like one of the scariest guys in the world because of that. Sort of fucking terrible nightmare. who don't know, I didn't know until I was 30, Dude, what could someone, Oh, there you go. Yeah. And I was training for a very specific thing that is, you know, not what most people are training for, but the kind of principles that we were just talking about, I think are

2:41:27 Barnes & Noble and if people want to reach you it's rich roll our ICH not Well, listen, man, your story's an awesome story. Yeah, we could keep talking about this forever. Thank you. They don't come with a free sticker. So you know what's up. Sacramento was fucking completely off the chain. is moving towards making sure Billy Corbin who is also a cool motherfucker

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