Joe Rogan Experience #282 — Peter Duesberg, Bryan Callen Transcript

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0:00 any of this stuff and how do you know i mean it's a you're talking about retroviruses Can you explain to me what should I do? your argument, Is that a fair assessment of it? So that's like a microbe collection. and they had chlamydia no one else believes this? That the those who were looking for viruses, doing something or another, the 60s and 50s. It was popular

3:27 We said, okay, we find that. Papilloma is another word for wart. It doesn't add up. and a number of them were gay. and you can correct me when I'm wrong here, which were these rare skin cancers that only old people get, But one of the things that there was clearly in their bloodstream when you get tested for what they call HIV, they're not seeing the virus.

6:07 just add to this, what the theory was that what Yeah, man of the year. time of man of the year. So the question becomes if protease inhibitors, which, by the way, now you used to have to take, as you know, a bunch of pills. Probably even more. Why didn't they die out? It hasn't risen. In 1985, when it was Africa, they said, 30% are positive. I don't know.

8:48 You see it if you look for population sets. I think you don't feel like having 10 dates or 5 dates They age very quickly. HIV positive, no drugs, Pneumonia. community as you did in 85, 91, 92, you know, and until David Ho came along with protease inhibitors. and all of these drugs. the poppers causing Kaposi and causes, essentially, it's a skin and blood cancer.

12:29 because they got it from their parents or from blood transfusions. Now, AZT is what they gave them initially. But it's a very, very brutal one. Human cells. So when you, any medicine. But that's. So it to DNA and back to RNA. Exactly. But that's... Yeah. I know you don't probably believe in protease inhibitors. So, doctor, if somebody had HIV. They're still around. Half a million Europeans still around. No treatment. That's the only way

15:58 Toxicity, probably, right? It is described now in the San Francisco Chronicle Half of these AIDS patients, so-called HIV patients, But they used to die. They used to die from or the whole community changed its approach to life? fucks your body up. Well, not only that, though. have you ever seen me it's like interpretive dance dude I had that That's really, really good.

18:34 They take the protease inhibitors. So how are they getting better? Never any cure. Because what it does, it creates a Teflon sort of coating, right, Your name is Brian, isn't it? only antibody against it. Have you heard about that? You can get him up here. You know, what was it? correct me if I'm wrong, find it yeah he took credit for it when the french actually were the ones that isolated it so if you

22:17 That was my starting point. Right. You get the immunity-acquired deficiency syndrome. not one in any of these statistics They all were, and Michael Callen, Attributing your attributing. You're attributing... Fine, I don't mind. Yeah, okay. Attributing mortality. the high mortality of death Sex and promiscuity or in bicycling with drugs. That gay dudes would party that hard though

25:43 Well they did do obviously how is it possible that every other scientist is not every other there's a few others Really? Wow. Because you're dealing with a lot of research Yeah, grab it. You know, they can't be healthy being a gay dude. like find zinc six gorgeous guys a bunch of girls there Peer review means only the establishment prevails. And the other disconnect again is…

29:52 It's complete censorship. Institute for Allergy and Infectiousness. I'm now 170 pounds. No, they're toxic. Here's the question, sir. Well, you show you the guys like Magic Johnson, who is gaining weight all the time and says, Don't take the first thing. Fortunately, they become retarded and they don't notice it anymore. How do they not understand what you're saying,

32:27 Is it hard? Not in 1973, 1793. Oh, long, long ago. And here we have the scientists, What do they have? we have against virtually all viruses, But they don't ask those basic questions. I'm famous and I get money. Here I am. How much money is involved in something like that? But what you're saying is it's an industry mass murderer. Remember this very distinct thing that happened when crack was introduced?

36:39 The Beatles did it, the Yellow Submarine did it. If it were sexually transmitted transits, What? by the droves? And the Juan Enriquez, who is a venture capitalist who invests in different kinds of medical technology and deals with all this stuff, through the bubonic plagues that that we did in europe they did not develop that variation in the genes are different between

39:12 People really want to hear you. there's certain people that got it and warned and scared everybody it's going to spread is no heterosexual, it's epidemic. They predicted it and warned and scared everybody. were interested. with AIDS. No, but that wasn't altogether what I was saying. laptop and some of them make Respect. No more sex. what's even worse is that there's even something in there

42:01 it's not the government we voted that in Right, but why are you a fan of them not being labeled? when when you have these conversations and you you talk about this connection how many people well they cannot talk about it with me that would be the end of my talking. They have no answers why the girls, heterosexuals don't get it. That's what I'm doing now.

44:34 This doesn't add up. Their wives would beat them up or their kids would say, where's the money? He was editor of Nature Biotechnology. quote, an ethical scientist, to say My part was called HIV is not causing AIDS. What do they say? and indirect causes and co-factors. They've been there a long time and they are involved in prescribing you a certain amount of medication to keep, quote unquote, your viral load to a manageable level.

47:33 if they hadn't seen direct results, say, in Africa Now in America, it's a it's a very small population. So anyway, so they prescribe but what you need to HIV positive men comply and throw them down the toilet, longer. On average, about five years. Well, even now they do, but only when they faithfully take those drugs. They love to sell those drugs.

50:11 They have never done it with AIDS. AZT wasn't effective. it was always like you took it because their bone marrow was gone from AZT. I would like to see one. Oh, yeah, first of all, we have much improved ACT now. be aware of it to consciously lower the So it takes a while to change your mind. terrible, even ACT, Well, it's a different strain comes the story.

53:21 That's pretty good for a virus. super AIDS and they're going to bring it over here. what your research with cancer retrovirus was the the most popular and that's why i came in studying that because it wasn't killing cells but retroviruses have moochy cells they don't do anything in any cells. Well, cancer is a very serious different business. has 60, 70, 80 chromosomes in it

56:22 That's a good word for side effects. so the only edge Replicate, yeah. They become immune deficient. You don't believe in diet? grandmother gave me, come home early and You don't need as much. that are trying to kill it? The last serious infectious disease epidemic was flu in any, a little bit polio. including presidents, kings, the people that were the elite the the wealthiest, it touched everyone.

1:00:25 an optimal immune system booze and schnapps and ate some And you didn't have any antibiotics, of course, because you're so main which is this So I listen to you, and you're so lucid, and you're so scientific. peer-reviewed study, I don't even know what he's talking about. How many of them? They do a lot of meth. That's where I have a disconnect. My experience is very limited.

1:03:34 I don't know enough. that causes a fatal disease a very controversial podcast. We're going to get this guy can't be right and he gets very you know very passionate about his ideas but uh he's We were both secretly hoping you'd be more obviously crazy. He actually gave it to me. You know what I believe? I believe I'm too stupid to holding a white castle

1:05:59 Silly fuck. How dare you. Yeah, we'll invite you to a show. you ever hear how scary you're going this whole Yeah, how did the Germans get to be such calculating, if you look at that war were a very suppressed Germany was a great... I didn't know that. He shut you down, dude, about cancer. Do you do drugs? That's the only cocaine I ever got from the student.

1:09:23 That I tried a couple. I'm scared of that shit. it sounds authentic but what call the campus police Yeah. I really sacrificed the size of it. That's crazy, though. But it was because you couldn't find the HIV virus If you get infected by flu or herpes or syphilis or mumps or anything at any party, well, if that's the virus they have a very small it with mercury. It's a

1:12:27 to cure your syphilis. By that time It's not even German. Is it German or is it Yiddish? They were very close. Yiddish word, I think. It's a great word. It's a Yiddish word for crazy. I love that. It's not even German. Yeah. People didn't get tertiary syphilis. so was tuberculosis. and they went to the doctor and the doctor gave them something Millions.

1:14:08 for women yeah well microbes wait in there. Actually, Joe, Japanese but the Germans used it, right? that warfare has ever seen. There could be some sort of a gigantic scandal It's hard to deny your own field. all the money they want. They have epidemiology. I don't know why this one of them in San Francisco, also every grant. I got the best deal they had, and it's called Outstanding Science Scientist Reward,

1:17:37 would hug me and say, so you have done is so politically We tried cancer. Or Tammin, with whom I debated in science. these 10,000 plus HIV AIDS researchers in these labs working for 20, 25 years They're working with it for 20 years. nor Montagnier, nor Levy, none of them. have gotten a virus from the one they call. 1,000 doctors That's very important.

1:20:36 was because there was such an epidemic We're dying. Yeah, we're dying. He's actually addressed this already though. He said this is because of illicit drug use primarily still. Well, children can get it from junkie parents. Or hemophiliacs who got it through a blood transfusion. Well, they had a few. So, you're saying that in showing that they into the system

1:22:58 were getting weird diseases, But there were a lot of people that I knew And he, my buddy, was standing there, Well, he's telling you about one. poison, dude. He's sick and he tries AZT and then he dies. That still sort of like makes Look, listen, man. are you completely confident in saying who live through this of things like wasting disease, take no medication, and live healthy lives,

1:25:53 Poppers became... Carcinogenic. that are weakening your immune system, That is, again, something that would be very testable, So it just automatically gets lumped leukemia, and whatever, Really? Oh, yeah. They want to be famous Right, of course. That was the story behind AIDS was never the drug use. and I was fucking shitting my pants. That's why I date porn stars.

1:29:03 It's very difficult. You said AIDS virus. Yeah. on the average, 1,000 unprotected contacts to convert a positive you come along, you're raising questions That's the word I'm saying. Yeah, we're going to have to probably reach out. I brought this up to Dr. Drew about eight years ago. I've been following your work for a long time and i brought it up to dr

1:31:54 That's just not true. He's a great guy. Yeah. and they don't keep up, and time goes by, 10, 20 years, It's night and day. That's about time. Because Oregon's filled with a lot of white gangsters. didn't pass it but colorado did medical marijuana is legal i guess huh okay medical marijuana passed They say they're going to process the information, and then they never do anything.

1:34:39 find out that they're doing something like there's a lot of dudes who got into the weed business that that are going to be wanting to enforce the law. Cops hate busting prostitution things. and give them, you know, You drive out into the middle of fucking Palmdale, Whereas they can go to a medical marijuana dispensary you've got to recognize what's dangerous I mean, not a regular society but a healthy society, you've got to recognize what's dangerous.

1:36:50 Sure. wildlife population. No, I just want to get this. So they have to pass drugs for those that it's there for you to smoke and get high and trying to manage 300 million people is ridiculous. and I've got to look out for cops. and people people applaud it dude i got so fucked up dude i threw up in the cab From drugs being illegal in the community

1:40:05 It's nonsense. Everybody can get on their phone, This is an embarrassment as a human race. It's hard to justify. That's the problem also is that people are getting uneducated views on weed. Look, if it was only indica weed, I would still smoke it every now and then when I wanted My lady. wrong way these things are tools all these things tools. They're there to help us.

1:42:20 Your wife has family from there. Yeah, he's ready. The crazy German. a lot of people that are responding to this in a bunch of very different ways. Are you on Twitter? Oh, you just read people's – we need to start you a Twitter account. Dot com. Did you used to be dot org? Duesberg on AIDS, the book? I sent you one. I don't know if you're right. and I've never really quite understood the whole academic process and what's involved.

1:45:28 Berkeley, that you should be considered pretty heavy stuff. When did they do that? The statue of limitation should be expired now. Coke was? It was made illegal in 1907. The U.S. government, the first effort from the U.S. government to control cocaine was the inclusion of the Pure Food and Drug Act, 1915, but it wasn't until That's when mushrooms and acid

1:47:57 they were legal until 1970. Yeah, yeah. Door songs like, Father, I'm going to kill you. Jim Morrison it's been a pleasure having you on willing to sit down next to a zombie puppet for promoting this. and Brian and crew, and also 10% of the proceeds go to Hurricane Relief in Wisconsin. the fucking apocalypse hits, we're moments