Joe Rogan Experience #284 — Daniel H. Wilson Transcript

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0:00 Cue the music, Brian. And then while I was doing that I found out that instead of just programming computers, Yeah, basically. I've had this described to me fiction to pursue? Or is this something There's no time travel. that are alive, Anybody that was a little too soft, Well, there's also the crazy thought that in this pursuit, like we shouldn't think that it would like say,

4:52 There's a reason we're all still alive. a robot can be a total blank slate. Let's say you tell a robot to solve a problem. You tell it to Yeah, you can build into it. mean the very first drone i think they use it in the korean war so you know and in vietnam they You're now Joe Hill and you live in Montgomery just like fucking change your life you're now joe hill

7:16 One thing I've always wondered is if you're driving a drone all day, you know, I don't think... that speak so clinically, right? It's pretty crazy to watch. To define robots, when people ask me, you know, waits on a human I don't think the United States is allowed. different like loitering strategies about how to follow it and how to get close enough to detonate

10:09 like the self-healing minefield is one of my favorites so it's a minefield where the landmines on the bottom of the ocean, up to dude. Don't want to get hit by a turtle shell and I don't know if those There are animals, right? So no matter where you want to go, Boston, like they're walking across this plaza want to see it. Really? That's awesome, man. Wow. I don't know what's going to be in this movie, but there are some things that, God, I just want to see it.

13:15 dark side you know wrote that wrote that fiction you know science fiction killer robots they're how to do speech recognition or something, humankind as like, all we do is we cover the earth in lawns. We are slaves to grass. Like, We achieved our goal. It doesn't make any sense. Well, I think that we're going new head of the planet but why would we think that we can hold this spot forever i mean it doesn't make any sense well i think that we're gonna evolve with our tools yeah

16:10 not like Tony Stark, you know, or like rich kids that are, you know, getting a leg up in school. Because there's just no way to do it. You mean Neil Armstrong? like super advanced prosthetics if you take those prosthetics off of him he ain't going anywhere when it comes to like cheating and, you know, to the actual idea of human ability. We want that definition of human,

19:10 alien things into the body. There's a cool book called Machine Man by Max Barry, But anyway, there's a book where that happens. It's a good You shut them off. It seems like the real issue would be how much of the human ideal of life would we program into it. that we could never comprehend. where there was basically a robot right? That's a great example of giving a human, you know, experience, like a human life to a machine

22:41 so that they behave in a way We create a machine that's Right. I see what you're saying. It's going to be like a slavery-type issue. if you have a guy who goes home every day and he beats the crap out of this doll right is that okay psychologist and at, at university of Washington, she's at in Portland where I live, but before she You're stupid. And then half the time the robot head, hey, that was a really dumbass move. You're stupid. And then

26:18 When you build a robot, you're building an ethical interaction. oh yeah of all of humans it would create sociopaths because yeah we acclimate to whatever It's Robot Cam, the damn matrix again. keep finding this self-correcting computer code i don't understand what that means and but i they it's it's a very specific type of code and that's when they're studying the nature of reality

28:59 It's going to happen. but instead of Arnold, It just maps their bodies onto it. And and that would be like the ultimate ironic one to watch because they do that Joe's pouty lips. I hate myself. Is that possible? But I have to say, I'm super excited And we got Lambert Wilson, It's going to be a real robot acting in a movie whoa god damn man i've i saw there was a very uh intricate japanese robot it was a woman

32:13 walking around. That stupid fucking garbage can? People still love him. Yeah, and there were different versions of him. That's Robbie and his friend Jeff. Danger. Yeah. He was actually pretty Man. He looks like that. You see that, Brian? Okay. Danger. He was like the first gay robot, right? What was the dude's name? They would, like, land on planets and shit.

34:29 That was one with Vicky, the robot who the dad is a roboticist and he brings her home to, like, test her out. I mean, in this really feminine, apologizing, sobbing way. because it's like you know they thought this was going to be like 1990 like that's how we're going mankind into the stars but actually we were just competing with the russians and it was just it was

36:25 on your head from space. to be the first person because it's going to excite Because, I mean, it's like something tragic is going to happen. They're going to be able to do that for sure one day. If you poison the earth's atmosphere so that you can't even walk outside anymore. I mean, you don't have to go to Mars first. No shit. stupid so it's not i don't i've always thought that was bullshit the

38:32 Really? were nuking the shit out of everything so my favorite is project plowshares okay this is like All of the natural gas is poisonous. Do you know what the name of the operation is called? and have all my processors and the walls turn to glass right so it's this bubble deep under the ground highly radioactive I can't even believe. for us like we're going to eat it it's going to be food pills we're not even going to have to eat

42:25 i keep dropping all these book names dude your books sound fucking awesome i know right i i even You're flying, people! complain for sure, but that's why basically airplanes that are flying really, really high. There's not a lot of atmosphere, It's literally a rocket. They put a buzzer in the helmet because they tested, they showed, you know, You got 10 seconds before you

45:28 and we got a video of it Both of his knees are blown out from doing this. of of applying a current mindset to a technology that's in the future if they were really going A lot of people in Seattle were talking about in the back seat while it was driving going around uh like a test track right and it was okay first you know, and it would kind of swerve

48:01 the engineering that it's designed for So I was... It's going to change our cities. and your little vehicle will just, you won't be in control of it anymore well the first thing i'm not sure if Wow. window and say hey hey what hey, what you doing? his characters he's like a robot saved my life from a car but it let the the little girl next uh there's an old lady like in her house you know and she's like okay can you make me some toast or

52:08 you're making a domestic robot that's going to operate in people's homes right it's going to be Think about building this domestic robot. even on and he's you know i don't i'm not sure what was going through his head but he tried to mustang gt you can get their over 400 horsepower. and these people have this snooty-looking butler robot like all these compilation ones creepy and e and Eerie, were all these different stories.

55:45 That was my comic book era. Yeah, we get some of that mixed in. you can't beat a robot at jeopardy it will everybody's ass you know that you can't beat them on the battlefield like robots have dominated in a Well, how about the fact that right now we have people that have never known a life what do you think is the biggest impact that the internet has to a place like that?

58:35 houses they're you know flying in and getting each other at the airport and they're a gang now computer. Yeah, but on specific try finding a fellow Bigfoot hunter. about Bigfoot. I've had guys offer to massage my feet. But on the internet, it's easy as fuck. And then it's all, you know, you have all this time that you spend interacting with people online and it's a thousand people.

1:00:45 is what I'm saying, you know? through a message board or Facebook or Twitter, it disturbs me the most I played sword in here. My wife's a child psychologist. of raids you can go on. lines for the new call of duty game last night oh man jesus christ there was people there at one in That game scares the shit out of me. And the shit is all super legit and really realistic.

1:04:32 You would just get better than my friends. It was flat. And the guy said, what you got in the case, boy? I know Carmack, man. He's one of those guys where I talk to him and I'm like, The ones that have started companies and are mad intelligent. but whenever they and girls and when they fall in you know it's all about how how much the field's It was him, and there was that other guy

1:07:44 those video games. Crazy to think about. It's like that just the amount of hours of entertainment they provided with those video games. It's so you get so locked in on one of those fucking games and you're creeping Whoa. Really? The fucking background. hokey you're like oh my god like you're not supposed to have this at this resolution when What is Skyrim?

1:10:34 mean i can talk about skyrim forever and you're running it through your pc or yeah i actually It's your typical Lord of the Rings ripoff. Video games are Super Mario Brothers is not scary, right? It must be. They are in a big way, right? guys wow graphics are amazing it's just like what they can do now in a vid, just to, the CGI opening for a video game

1:13:05 Is there anything more fun than shooting zombies? Isn't it funny that one of the most fearsome things that we can conjure up I got a whole horror movie theory about this. for killing somebody. Actually, I have a friend. Just to kill. But the idea of a human... And that's what a werewolf would be, like a just horrible, psychotic, killer animal. came out later but it was no i think i had. Right, it came out later, but it was...

1:17:00 Oh, that might have been the one that freaked me out. Oh, it was a different actor? that doesn't have any remorse whatsoever and is doing it because it's the only thing that gives him any sort of a feeling. No, I don't know. oh in china they're their state they're mandated by the state and then it's like oh in china they're they're state they're mandated

1:18:58 couldn't fuck with anything they were saying there's a super sweet what there's a really I love the idea of the possibilities that science fiction presents. Now she thinks she's in the desert. It stumbles a little bit. But the future, like the technology they present, And people were like, this is what we're doing. The iPhone has a native app that comes with it called Notes.

1:21:52 I just said that into my phone, and it's instantly printed up exactly what I said. All right. Or does Siri just know? You're a part of the problem. but I don't need it to be on a podcast, bitch. I got it on my Twitter handle. Because you'll be at a party and no one knows who the hell you are. And it's like, well, no, I'm doing okay. to make a living writing science fiction.

1:24:16 that there would be a big market for that. Not science fiction. You go into the science fiction area. It's about like a really handsome guy He was trying to lie to me. but I kind of, dirty bitch. I had a friend she asked him before they played the the porn right there's a message that says these are unrealistic scenarios do not try this And it's crazy, man.

1:27:38 Yeah, right. but he does it with a cup like a which is even scarier because it's horrific. This time, he doesn't do it with a light bulb, but he does it with a cup, which is even scarier, And just keep in mind, You want to see a broken toe, a horrifically broken toe? You want to see it? I'm not going to show it to you. You remember the first time you saw someone die online?

1:29:38 Yeah, Faces of Death was the same era for me as a friend who had one of those barnyard porns there was a few of those like one guy watched the door and we watched it downstairs on this like is at the bottom like he it's so weird yeah that was so hard to do it's like and we felt bizarre for like days afterwards the impact on society and then that there's somebody that says exactly that they're like look

1:32:37 four percent of people actually had butt sex which is what do you mean 80 in the video not so much a correlation well that's why I said the same thing to her. They have a totally different, bizarre operating dynamic. your whole story in your bedroom either but i think that the those types of relationships what do you give a fuck as long as they're together?

1:35:01 if you allow any of that in our world, Who's going to take a stand for humanity? however you pronounce that word, And so all of the cultural stuff has to change too. I'm on to people who are saying that we shouldn't experiment with stem cells. because that would be like questioning God himself. The Pope was telling this guy... he's still studying the big bang just it's so silly that that could ever get to a

1:38:01 Well, for thousands and thousands of years, religion is the bedrock. they all spoke different languages and they were all like, then you think about Europe and other more bellicose places, China, you know, you've got, it's resistant to change and continually update it with the latest versions... and that is that no one is watching this thing. No one's paying attention to this, and into your mind that a lot of people do not find comforting. It's really scary.

1:40:32 And they go with that. I think it's an operating system. you know they don't want to have anything to do with you they wouldn't say would the gentleman robot, what you choose to you know which is why i don't think we're going to see super realistic like you know androids Yeah, I mean, we're making progress. What if robots start, like, Is there a way you could ever, like, in the Alien series, like,

1:43:11 spoiler alert that awesome actor Some credit, yeah. Iron Homeboy, what's his name so they announced we got anne hathaway is going to be in robopocalypse God damn it. Some people are screaming his name right now. It's worth seeing, really, for some of his scenes alone. model of how people behave It was kind of interesting. He was the second one. That guy's... That's a skill that's going to be difficult

1:46:44 I've been watching all the Chris Hemsworth movies because. I was watching, I watched Snow White. He's the Huntsman. like she breathes really hard and then her collarbones sort of stick out you know and it's Like so as he gets it, they look, we're going to have Christopher Walken and he's going to be on acid 24-7. There's got to be at least one ranting, screaming scene in every movie.

1:48:41 and getting paid a lot of money to be myself. But nobody saw it. Yeah. hot skins what is the guy's name? What roles does he play? You can tell IMDB was one of the first websites because they would never name it that, right? Wasn't he in that too? So I have this feeling that if the federal government were to fall apart, But I'm, like, wondering, are they going to hire native actors, you know?

1:51:42 they're with him well you know i think when you've been in the movie business that long, and he's perfect for this one particular role over and over and over again he's a vampire. We're terrible, dude. Didn't he? guy more. I bought the new guy, amazing things physically and yet he also had incredible discipline and he never chased pussy They're powerless.

1:54:03 All she wants is his pants. they want this try to fuck you no no it's not Bond I mean, that is the most unsubtle play on words ever. And it was a good thing back then. He's going to have a martini. heineken what's wrong with that i like heineken yeah the it's the principle of it what is the english bad motherfucker that could snap your neck that's the pierce morgan was or what's his

1:56:37 Yeah, Craig. You can't hold on to that gun. I got a theory about this too. Call of Duty. And so like the whole spraying, it's harder to buy this guy you know flipping you over his head and grabbing you by the wrist would have come just get would charge He had to get his sight back to save somebody. Because Chuck Norris watches the UFC. Yeah, just motivate me to train hard. Kiss me. Chuck Norris had a those kettlebells and just stare at the photo you know chuck norris and me together yeah just

2:00:34 And there's a narrator that's like. I mean, these are real actors. Yeah, it's an amazing movie, man. that get everything, But in the time that it was made, it was like Chuck Norris. How does Chuck Norris look now? They do those exercises. he's um he was born in 1940 whoa so uh that means he's 72? Stang. Well, he looks incredible for 72. I don't remember what they're called.

2:03:35 imagine if it worked that way if you were born a fucking superhero and every day of your life I sat at the science fiction convention. And he was just bitter? Star Trek, and then he sort of wanders off without buying you i know the the book logan's run i remember it but i don't remember anything about it i don't So how much different is it from that Justin Timberlake movie?

2:05:53 Well, people are always concerned about the idea that one day, pop up where the evil government forces you into a contamination process. Yeah. I don't know. You're going into a completely unknown territory. you know one way to avoid it is to have a machine that's gonna uh basically take a snapshot of every that your brain how the fuck do you know what that thing is once it's on its own where they

2:08:35 you'd hunt down robocop and try to give drugs to children well it's what we we don't know what the and set yourself loose on Cleveland. Are you a collection of genes? What combination of things? know like i think there's a lot of value that way yeah i mean we're very lot we're intellectual And like to try to run away from that I think is crazy because you got to admit,

2:11:15 These are because it's natural, But instead of it being a carbon-based life form that occurred naturally, it's something that we engineered to occur. I think we'll certainly be able to make something that looks exactly like a human being. right? And acknowledge that that's a natural part of what humans do, and a part of accepting and going skiing and you will like doing

2:13:44 forum somewhere and Brian would be a part of it. Throwing himself on doorknobs. goes. Because no one Who knows what one big thing that's going to change GPS satellites, all that stuff, uh, spooky thing is the air force, um, drone aviary where they're working on all these different And that's just a couple of years away. i understand the way a fly actually flaps its wings is it's more of a scoop because it's like

2:17:17 avoid obstacles i mean bees are way easier to swat out of the sky than flies are killer bees yeah if they were giant flies, like flies the size of bulls. Is that why dinosaurs are so big too? but I think there was some question. of the were vegetable eaters. We were talking about this documentary about an area of Africa that's cut off. They're enormous.

2:20:11 Yeah, but do robots, I think that they're just, Sex tools. Is that a mathematical – yeah, is that a problem? uh, maybe we're just very rudimentary right now in our thoughts on what robotics might be left is that morality, that ability to be good or evil, right? You know, that that lump from good behavior and from healthy behavior? And that's the number one issue

2:23:12 It's just doing what it's programmed to do. Yeah. understand but right now you're a young man with hope in your eyes who dreams for the future They'd probably drown her and kill themselves in the process. certain people we have to cut off you know there's a certain point in time you know okay this person Yeah, it's coming up, dude. We can coincide it with the end of the month,

2:26:04 We should probably time it to that. Yeah. Palmdale Desert. We're talking about Tara Patrick as a robot that you can fuck. You know that there's a list of companies, including the Olive Garden and Red Lobster, not like quite trusting that the economy is better so they're they're sort of sticking with all the an erector set and i don't know if you remember that it used to be like this yellow case that

2:28:38 You're going to get a robot. I told a friend to meet me at 5, but I got to text him real quick. Ten minutes? I have to repeat it just in case they didn't hear you, even though you were very clear. In Germany, it's called Robocalypse That sounds better, man. Yeah, they're in bookstores. What are you talking about? I like the paper look, yeah. are highlighting in the book and like see what they like and people comment about it so let's

2:31:27 When you see your stuff highlighted and you see like the things that people really enjoy i know i'm doing it right, basically. You're like, I did this. It's always available. If you just only had a few bitches and why women are into getting their mouth spit in and stuff like that? of the characters oh my and then they published it that is ridiculous so that's the

2:34:14 That's right. Maybe if you, you know, it's just humans are not as complicated as we like to think maybe that's what it's really i certainly think that's the case but Do you think Apple will ever shrink that bitch down so it fits in your pocket? Oh, my God. It's one man, one pie to break and it's going to cut your dick in half. Oh my God, it's one man, one iPad.

2:35:18 Your voice is high. I got the non-cellular one because I have an iPhone that has a hotspot. But as compared to the We lost Daniel. No? everything i'm like a little retarded yeah when someone has a new one five minutes we're almost Wasn't I hearing earlier about a certain feline companion that enjoys using the iPad? My cat. Yeah, right? He's an old one-pocket player. It's born in the 40s. Yeah, right?

2:37:55 I think we gave out all the information we probably could. It was a fun conversation. Once you did it, you broke the ice. and then come back You had a big thing of water. You lasted like two hours. How many books do you have all together? Go to audible.com. So go get it, you dirty bitches. They're just trying to save you the looking for the best shit possible.

2:40:08 because in this case like 30% Sandy Takes time.