Joe Rogan Experience #312 — Steve Rinella, Bryan Callen Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience All I see is the opening screen it looks okay from here but are you seeing it on ustream because on ustream i don't see it I figured you did. The CDC, what are they saying? I mean, I'm sure it does some good and especially maybe for some people maybe some people could use the the boost And isn't it fucked that they all come from farms?

3:09 that's why like here in this continent like when they pass through the arctic like siberia and In fact, by some accounts, the Native Americans, by the time after Cortez came back Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they have their mother's immune system, and the breast milk is a real – the breast milk is pretty amazing. You know? And when the time came. and then all of a sudden you're like, yeah, baby.

5:30 It just takes... It's just rude. I'll play with her. I thought you were me with tits. That that's weird but then you realize they're completely Oh, it annoys me. It's supposed to be a solidarity thing. He's like, where do you want to cut? Shut up. Okay. Dude, of course. i don't want somebody rummaging around rummaging around my stuff this is my mess it was a cyclone

8:34 I didn't. Dude, I literally didn't have a doorknob, and I just figured nobody's one time while he was – Did it happen? Did it happen with a doorknob when you rented it? Dude, I literally didn't have a doorknob and people – I actually wasn't – I didn't wake up. Yeah, yeah. camping style and you're hunting all the time like you are like i didn't hunt it in college we

10:12 It was crazy. It was like this long. It looked like an animal. Oh, yeah? It's kind of true. Maybe it's hormonal. in a way it's like a procrastination thing you know because it helps you put stuff off like if He's his best friend since he was three. That's procrastination. obsessed with breaking bad man i'm almost done with loss is a brilliant i'm just fucking around

13:47 I didn't even stick around to the end. You were wondering what was going on. got on to it on in the dvd form though so i got to watch like a whole shitload of the only way to do I'll just go rent them and watch the whole thing all the way through. you can do that yeah i can watch it easy yeah i'm uh i got a problem and you're eight then you get I watch, like, I like Curb Your Enthusiasm.

16:09 know i just want stuff that's just like coming at me from way outside there's there's so many good I've only seen four episodes and I got to – once I'm done with Breaking Bad, I'm on that. This is like movie quality shit whereas before you were watching like the $6 million man. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the guy who created that. Yeah. I'm too high to remember

18:41 to the point where and turn it into this romantic figure? He's badass. She's all over him. They're facing each other. That dude's good though, man. I think that's interesting. It's a really interesting observation though her. I think you're really – The dude's single and she's hot. I mean, come on. What are we, stupid? Are we living in a – I think you're right on. That dude's good though, man.

20:23 I don't know. It's like this toning down of male energy. Let's do this, okay? I mean in the beginning of the movie he comes out of the water and it's freezing cold but he's naked. So when Dracula would come in to – he would be this big handsome guy and a girl was sleeping and he would bite her neck and drink her blood. What was the connection between Vlad Tepes? Because there was Vlad the Impaler. He was

22:50 slowly writhe in pain just associate them he would leave them on on you know on these big pillars in Russia. And when he was could be a serial killer and just get in the exact right situation where you have a lot of power and just be able to do it. But they say serial killers. I can't remember what the word was, She was Hungarian. crazy fucking shit man

25:27 serial killers like that have a particular taste like it's got to be a specific kind of person you What are they doing? Anyway, and he kept going. And royalty, they get paid. And it was like a guy comes in and breaks down. Okay, when he comes in like don't do this don't do that put You're kind of like I could make like my statement. But this is just strictly like I I'll honor

28:11 It was very, very central to sort of the British history and character, That's why Britain was – it benefited from the notion that they had very strong institutions. But you already have a semblance of idea of order and society, which is based on their system of kings. George Washington most famously when they wanted to make him king said, I am not only going to not be the king because we don't have kings in this country.

31:17 so funny the way people act when you turn when you turn to tie it on man it's not it's just amazing like forget our allegiances and so you know we're going against qaddafi and like everybody's like going to be smooth transition now and there's this there's this competing idea like when you're an going to be that way. But then someone like – every remote village in Africa and he

34:11 right and a human compulsion to to have some say in who fucking otherwise you get a guy like ivan You know? You're going to make 50% of the people happy and 50% of the other people unhappy. it for four years has maybe they have has anyone ever done it for four years and just said, you know what? I always think about what George Bush said about Hurricane Katrina.

36:36 And that's one of the examples of being a president. They'd be like, oh, yeah, in order for us to recover from this, But the way he said it was just like – He was kidding. Yeah. Yeah. like well no just like because it was so much the storm surge right Yeah. Yeah, there was areas that just got so wiped over. You're in your car. They know about that canary islands shelf

40:31 You must have at that time lost civilization. krakatoa because that was the recorded history what is it was the 1800s loudest explosion ever I didn't know, was it Troy? The guy made a bunch of money There's this guy that – and I don't know where it's at now. been a trade dispute but i'm telling you some dated stuff man because i was in college in the

42:40 Maybe some of the principal characters were involved, Nothing's going on there now. time where no one anywhere else in the world had anything comparable people have it is amazing It humbles you. to say about anything the great genius i'm reading like his imagery and stuff and i was like first Someone said to me, he goes, well, you know, listen, I'll never be well off.

45:19 You're done. One of the things they say is that if you can – a lot of times you can motivate yourself What are you going to lose that you already have? You know what I mean? I'm like, man, I got to hang on to – I got a sweet situation to hang on to. Well, I don't want to gain my black belt. I'm trying to – when I do that, when I roll in my garage for an hour like I did the other day,

47:48 Hey, hey. Stop with all this nonsense. You're flooding your own brain with horse shit. I do it Just fucking do it. If you want to get better at wrestling or jiu-jitsu, do it because it's fun. Stop with all this nonsense. You're just talking nonsense. Monkeys like to choke each other. No. this stage of life and make them run your engine when you're stuck in traffic

49:26 But then you might have to see it all. Oh, that's a nice car. There's a new one that's coming out now that has 662 horsepower. Preposterous car for a human being to drive. You just have never done this one thing. No, I just know what Joe's doing. And I'm like this. But I do always end up coming around. I think that would be the correct move. That's someone else.

52:00 I mean have you ever run across one that you found that just died of natural causes? No, she thinks it's a gigantopithecus. The most recent example of it was 100,000 years ago. where they would sell fucking home remedies and shit, often can't though i mean you can tell a lot but there's a lot i mean like and i don't criticize mistakes to point out that it's all futile and you know it's all bs but but they make mistakes

54:53 you lost a dog to the lion here yeah yeah but they're awesome yeah they're beautiful but they're No, dude. No. filming everything instead of getting in there and well that's when they don't want to get Brian trying to eat people. She's ducking right now. But it's big enough, dude. She's... They eat everything that moves. There's a lot of them now, huh?

57:21 So this is a global warming thing? likelihood of bringing polar bears into what would be traditionally like the interior grizzly habitat shot one, and it was legit. I don't know that you can really make the case that hybrid bears... You fucking... you might be hunting black bears, but there'd be grizzly bears around, Don't do stupid things in your camp.

1:00:06 Yep. unappealing to a bear and and do all this kind of crazy stuff and like you know they got their on top of carcasses. If you're cooking smelly food, like fish and fish guts and stuff, be careful I think, yeah, and even the ones that don't have experience with humans, you know, like if you go in a really remote area where you run into a bear, you run into, like, a two-year-old bear, three-year-old bear.

1:02:21 But when they smell you, oftentimes it just – It's new. know what we're talking about the tim ferris episode of meat eater is when they went caribou rage incident in some ways a road rage incident with a guy that's 50 isn't quite as dangerous as Everywhere they're going, they're getting beaten up by a resident bear. I don't think of black bears being any more dangerous than I think of deer being dangerous.

1:05:07 And they're talking to each other and they're filming this. She smelled a person. And he eventually fended her off, was trying to fend her off with an arrow. He's climbing a ladder? Yeah, it's big enough. He's not defending territory. If a black bear attacks you, he's's predatory. He's not defending territory. Get cover, you know, because right here is where they like, here's where they're going to kill you.

1:07:35 Jesus. consumed he'd been mostly consumed yeah and they think yeah they think that might have been a uh they might have like a grizzly for every one or two or three square miles so a lot of a lot more He said a weird thing is So they eat cubs, but they never eat the bear itself. not letting any new members in? Yeah. Everybody's always, oh, innocent, this and that.

1:10:38 going to consume his own offspring but he's also thinking that all these sows that wouldn't be Fought them off? I'll tell you what, that's some of the most impressive are always down on that guy you know for all these reasons but i'll tell Yeah, you're right. It's just amazing, man. I had a butt. talking one day like i was feeling cocky because I'd seen three mountain lions while I was hunting.

1:13:44 Sitting and watching. And some of the things that that guy that's like that means like oh that dude spent tons of time out there and some They're so powerful. Oh, yeah. And it's not unreasonable to say that those are 800-pound-plus animals. He's in full side control right now. god damn it. is doing a real good job an interesting bit of like bipedalism in this too man like they're pretty adept at being on their

1:16:17 Look how big the light one is. Wow. the biggest bear I've seen out there was that's famous for big bears the biggest bear i 17. Yeah, GoP. What did I do this weekend? He could not fucking shake it. And Nate Marquardt, although he's an amazing striker, You've got to check leg kicks whenever possible. He decided he's just going to eat the kick and blast the punch and catch a guy.

1:19:59 is it's also how they match up. Styles. Saffodine is a really good wrestler because of his When Woodley fought Safedine, he just hit him with those low doubles and singles. And he's in condition and he's smart and he trains hard And he's a fucking super athlete Just a little wake up call like a gigantic upset it was an upset i think it would i would say that saffron's an excellent

1:21:51 He saw it through. and this fucking dickwad who owns the place has this shrine up to the the fallen marines and Oh, no worries. and i was like wow that's some john wayne he was john wayne man he was sitting there he defended i'm gonna go into your restaurant and buy the products you're selling yeah and then you're I was like or make a political like just assuming like kind of like that we're in the club.

1:25:28 like analysis of i think it was like the benghazi thing yeah yeah yeah well you said you even said employees like that, I really don't want to talk to that dude. I love seeing it through new people's eyes, you know? the shock of like how serious it is so if someone grows up on on a farm, yeah, and they see that all the time. that there is that, there's a real reckoning that people have you know and um the funny thing is despite someone's response like usually people if you if you kill an animal for

1:27:49 No one's ever called me back and said that was just a terrible mistake for you um intellectually intellectually knowing that this is a unique experience for most people how did you know how does that make you feel like when So I know that there's a certain thing that goes with that. You know, that it would be like really unhinging for them but they'll always remember back on that and have come away and found out something about themselves

1:30:04 I don't need to see an animal get killed. She's like, I'm fine with the hypocrisy. If you We're going to spot a deer that's far away, probably obscured by brush. they're just there. I was like, do not shoot this deer right now. maybe that twice that distance. Maybe twice that distance. And I honestly, we were just married. drug the thing down she didn't think we drug it with enough ceremony she's like it's head was

1:33:04 Of course. I'm sure it would take a little while to intellectualize something like that. It is a strange feeling when you reach in there and you feel the guts for the first time. I don't know if it's a needle thing, but I don't know that it translates. I don't think it translates For example, like when you've done combat sports and you've gotten punched and knocked out or kicked in the head and knocked out or just put into a choke.

1:35:18 or hit in the body, that I think fundamentally changes you in your relationship not just to other men. But I do think that something that is that intimately violent is going to – I've started, like, where people are very reluctant I mean, Feeling the temperature of the blood, smelling it, having it up to my arms. to nature satnam you know but that is what it is when you're out there living in that animal's

1:37:48 you know but you i think that you bring a level of calmness just to the act of shooting like being and my buddy's watching through his binoculars where the bullet hit I think a lot of it is just the amount of time I've rehearsed shooting. I couldn't get the image that more than any that more than anything else um is cause of of beginner hunters And then he went behind this little area and then came back out again.

1:39:57 wanting yeah to get it done yeah i was desperate there's an it's like the motivation that comes like a level of drive that's what happened to me and it feels so good to come to fulfill the goal And man, was that fucking humbling. You could just start walking and starve to death and no one would ever find you. and again we're talking about the Missouri Breaks region,

1:42:35 the missouri breaks reason that just remained pure just through toughness and tenacity like We're going to find them all we're gonna and it just didn't hold. after a while, it's like the people How would that work? the ground and you'd have like a cool place to closer to the yeah so like in alaska what they do is they they dig down into the permafrost

1:45:34 frozen on they'd dig a big deep pit eight feet deep or whatever and put meat in there and let That's deep enough. Crafty way of doing it. I mean, they grow some vegetables shooting animals. That GNC is better. and do all their exploring thinking that the kids already knew French he'd give them to the Indians, thinking that the kids already knew French.

1:47:42 gave them to the Indians. The kid never died. There was apparently something in the Laurel and Hardy for like 10 minutes about how our weed was susquehanna weed this fucking susquehanna weed You told me that a lot of the tribes of the Great Lakes, like cannibalism, See, he wound up going totally feral. he's very promiscuous and in his hair he changed his hair and wore native dress sounds modern

1:50:39 Brutal. filming in new zealand we went and looked at this this island and this big lake and what they say But it's kind of fascinating that I got to The Road. I watched the movie until he was showing the kid how to shoot himself in the road, man. It's like Cormac McCarthy's the road. But it's kind of fascinating that I got to the road. It's never discussed.

1:52:32 existence it's like really complicated it's really hard to just be like you know what there were 14,000 years ago, the first people – when did the Vikings get here? They traveled the entire thing, and they had all these little tribes, and they were hunting, would be like giant like the shadows from giant clouds just like the entire fucking they're developing eyeglasses and you eyeglasses and navigating the seas and giant hemp sails and medicine.

1:55:29 hunter-gatherer societies. region of the world today you probably can't fathom the proximity to death that you lived It's weird. like with like an iv drip or some shit like that yeah i don't even know i don't know how they get they'd be too old but i'd be like if i knew someone i could really trust and i said when i die i want then they're going to go out there and there's going to be a big investigation.

1:58:29 and and found where a uh really a beautiful big buck um i just happened to stumble into it his skull plate. But what about when predators die, like bears or big cats i found you know i found bear i found bear skulls and i can't i don't i've never found It can be tough to find stuff. You see like – can I get this where you can see? around horned game extending up to what would be kind of the space up between the ears it's just

2:01:17 Whoa. we went back up there later on the same thing happened to that one isn't it true that uh To get the bacteria. I remember watching wolves you think of Really? Not like that, man. The fact that they can eat your bones like that. and they can crush bone. And people have become accustomed to following saber-toothed There's a lot of benefits to being the apex scavenger.

2:05:52 You know what I mean? The area where we were, the breaks, the Missouri River, was like the most hostile place for life I think I've ever been to in this country. and generally people went through there. Generally, people traveling through there would have fantastic luck with hunting. But it's always been a place for hunter-gatherers. mining expert brian callan that's a classic example of me when i get a little excited i'm like

2:08:05 Yeah, it was a fascinating place, man. It gets wet and swells. like geologic pressures are pushed up. But the breaks is the opposite of mountains it's like you know mountains would be something that rolls up like like geologic pressures are pushed up but the breaks is the absence of it's like the absence of Yes, it's nice that way. It was a little bit wet feeling.

2:10:14 and you're having a good time and you stop and you feel like hell and and when you feel like hell it You feel great. completely alert, all the time completely like You know, of operating according to daylight hours, you know, being out in search of food. It's like there's something about me that just likes this kind of routine. it used to be that we had such low life expectancies and high mortality rates that those the people that

2:13:39 that was necessary to be able to breed women. of hooking one of my first fishes. like um i'll look back and think of that i'm like that's got to be some like ancient dna shit like I could not shoot that deer. And then you get addicted to that. game like you're out there ostensible you're looking for deer but you everything starts to walk through time square or something you get to the other end and you sometimes realize you didn't

2:17:17 It only makes sense. and getting your dopamine levels and your adrenaline levels up Because so many people visualize their world We read various pieces, everything from Martin Luther King to the Unabomber. like these five levels of difficulty. And he's like, his gripe with technology We've got food surpluses, social safety nets, everything. this reactionary existence where you can go back to like this,

2:19:56 That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm most happy when I'm going like this. That's when I'm most happy when I'm going. What do you want to do? We would have probably – They were going down the Missouri River. and camped here, and he's like, and I was telling him, he said, where are you? And I was in New York there. And even though we had stoves and stuff you're still kind of living and feeling what they were feeling

2:23:11 Get out. No, more than that. and we just wrapped up because it was like 12 degrees. I was with him and he told me American Indian stories the whole way. And you stayed warm. It didn't even bother me, man. I'm like, you know what? I got lucky. I was with him and he told me American Indian stories is different than cold ground water. And Ray Lewis is sitting there in short sleeves.

2:24:23 It was nine degrees. Hitting each other. Yeah. But the dams do flood control, you know, flood control, Oh, wow. 1802 or 1804.2 or 1804 they went is what it was they named those three. And that's what heads that river. mississippi long before the missouri hydrologists later and geologists later argued that the the Mississippi is the Missouri. Yes. and one state on the other side.

2:28:19 you can get a hooker, Everybody knows. You've got to get on a boat. You just have Tijuana towns. ideals, everybody wants everybody who get robbed killed and raped and thrown overboard all the time not me man i'm gonna say ocean if i I mean the odds are pretty small if you look at how many ships are out there. feeling of uh you know like being in the break she had that feeling of kind of like not overwhelmed

2:31:16 My buddy used to, for a living, used to take rich guys. because he was getting 20-foot swells that were submerging the boat. And they finally get that guy on the phone. Oh, my God. might as well have been on another planet i asked my friend if he wears a life jacket he goes well Like he sat down. All of a sudden he's in Houston, made a trip down to the ocean.

2:34:29 the way his book is great sam sheridan goes dude if you get caught in a bottle you if you were in and you're going to get elevated and dropped in your fucking head, got plucked out and now celebrates that as his birthday oh that's hilarious yeah so now like We had the fucking time of our lives. Yeah, please. I think that having something like that, it's like one word for it would be a trophy

2:36:57 Right. But one of them I read where this guy said, if you're a hunter, tough shit, get a new hobby, no guns. was and i read it and it was about said guns actually have a lot to do with why there isn't Yeah, I mean you can't have society in this form You're talking about people being overcome by other people. Because otherwise, how could you stop it? If the whole world was disarmed, then you're talking about some sort of –

2:39:44 If you go hunting, then you use guns I guess. Yeah, but by the way – Is that the utopia obviously would be no one has guns. And, you know, if you go hunting, then you use guns, I guess. Like in a society, you have to have a mechanism for conflict resolution because inevitably there will be conflict among men. not yeah not not just necessarily defense but also just like dealing with I think it would stop bullying

2:41:21 whether it's jujitsu or wrestling In my opinion, everybody keeps saying it's a gun problem. And in the same way that someone – this guy said, oh, you know what? Second Amendment issues are extremely important to me. I feel that just to do reactionary measures against our amendment rights behavior and people on the right follow that yeah no one is you know it's excited yeah everybody's

2:43:44 And how much is mental health taken into it? And his wife was on antidepressants when she shot and killed him and then killed herself. a whole bunch of people in this world where they got a shitty roll of the dice and their brain is chemistry yeah well the way the way they interact with the mind that they allow you to accept things different setup and what works for you might not work for him.

2:46:08 They were talking about how – like Jared Loftner, the guy who shot the Arizona – It's three o'clock. If you go to O-N-N-I-T And you can follow Stephen Rinella on Twitter. It's a great book. Beautiful. Mail us that smoked bear meat. I had to read it. So go find some other shit to do.