Joe Rogan Experience #316 — Enson Inoue, Chuck Liddell Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. Just flew in from Portland, staying with Chuck Liddell, You're a very unique character. And you've gone down there several times, haven't you? moved to helping the people in the evacuation centers. And then now it's people that are But this one just kept going and it kept getting stronger. But we've never really seen it on video.

3:10 It was unbelievable. was not just that something like this would happen, what what is the difference i mean how is it just the culture of japan it's just the culture and the I mean, I'll do a seminar in Japan, teach them a technique, keep going, keep going. We got it too good. you know and I've only been to Japan Yeah, it's pretty neat. In Hawaii. Yeah, I wasn't even fighting. I was just

5:39 really fight for our stuff. We either had to give away our That's real. both you and your brother There's not, like, conservative fighters from Hawaii. interviewer i'm pretty sure i interviewed you because you got injured in the fight, Yeah. just happened for for folks who don't know when when a guy in a fight gets a broken nose they Because you can't breathe out of your nose, and blood's coming out of it,

8:29 And it was a lot of high-end wrestlers were just starting to enter into the game. and as you were leaving, your brother was like, wrestlers ain't shit. That was like your first big fight on the big stage. everything was about Rice, Rice, Rice, Rice, Rice. Did you fight Randy with pants on? He won the heavyweight tournament. seen hoist gracie of course arm bar a few guys but we hadn't seen him you know take on like one of

10:49 Well, then after that fight, the next thing that you showed, though, was in the Randy fight, And they weren't really checking the leg tape. fights i've watched some of those uh valley tudor fights where it was no knuckles and the bottom of They were doing a 155-pound tournament in there. Do you remember when Gary Goodridge reached into the Pedro's pants

12:43 No eye gouging, no biting. Coleman just grabbed it from him and was in the back. And he was a boxer. I mean, not like a digital bathroom scale. He was in the back. Fuck him. I mean, when was it okay if it's outdated? In time, he would have had to have accepted. there those those early days you know we were talking we were just talking in the car on the

15:57 I mean, the place is packed. We used to have, me and Scott Adams would come down with like, I think that one of them, we had eight guys on the card. So we had like, you know, most of the card. So when you guys were back there and when you look back at that now, Oh, it's insane. I got pulled over on the way over here. Because I was like, Chuck in the car, man. I can't believe how huge MMA has gotten. Oh, it's insane.

17:16 I'm doing a podcast with Ensign Inouye. Oh, I heard that guy. It was so quick. and the difference in the level of competition from 1993 man. Your fight with Igor Vovchanchen well, Igor's a striker. You remember that? Do you ever look back on fights like that going, what the fuck was I thinking there? Well, see, what's hard now is, like, you know, I can say, yes, I'd rather have the fighters

20:30 in the ring it's about pride and honor They can set their life with it now. You know, I mean, the stress and the fears and the anxieties you've got to overcome in that moment Yeah, I was nicknamed that in Japan. And, you know, man, they loved you for that. And then when I found out what it meant, I was really questioning myself, like, do I? If you look back at the video, you'll see that.

23:20 that I'm fighting that myself and I'm standing there thinking, to grow your spirit to that level, it wouldn't be an experience for him to build his heart because he does it. So for me, I did some growing in my heart because I clinched taking over someone the fights are stopped. this is right here. Because, you know, five minutes, shit just gets interesting.

26:05 Well, they did. Wait. Yes. So you're not defending yourself. Shots to the body. What's going on with the volume, man? at that point. Instincts kicked in. He was defending. And I'm all for a chance to and coming back Holy shit. and you're like, hold on a second. the controversy this weekend about hitting the back of the head yeah that one was bad oh it was

28:59 but it was bad. That looked real bad. Wow. like, listen, man, there's a fucking camera there, and there's a fucking camera there and there's a camera there and there's a camera there everyone can see where those shots And they're judging it on the highest level. attempted submission. It's gotta on getting up or getting back up? ground right you know if i let you get get on top of me and get set right it's real hard to get off

31:44 Right. The problem I tell a lot of guys all the time is if you get down, But, you know, my thing is as soon as you hit the ground, So, I mean, that helps you continue to get up. I taught, you know, taught you know john lewis But it's kind of fascinating when you think about it came in you know you know everyone's trying to figure out most guys came in with one thing you know wrestling

34:31 Challenging. and the guys are still going to create their own little things and always like working with different things and he's like ah that's what I was doing wrong You've been training with Glover with stuff that we used to do, You just forget one small technical aspect of it. that. Yeah. And that's the hard part. I mean, it's even just, I mean, some of them, I don't

37:14 and have him explain it to me. one of them the other guy probably landed five or six punches the whole round but chased the guy the I wasn't paying attention. Especially Nevada It's not up to him Yeah. the judging is a disgrace you know they're always going to ref a good fight. It's really a shame, man. It really is You think they won. and you threw it all away because you're an incompetent judge.

40:26 How do you lose them? it was on national TV. But anyway, when I got out, when I would go to bars and stuff, Marijuana is a big thing now in Japan. I had like 20 joints. you're getting sneaky with it it's like so bad it's like ah what what roach and I'm putting my Yeah, it doesn't matter. I was facing that Nothing Shit I told them there was a student from Guam.

43:49 And late, like the third day, they said, so what happened? I was like, oh, fuck, if these guys watch He did tell Scarface? How long was the ordeal And you don't know 28 days is a long 20 days. And I keep thinking that, and I catch myself and think, you can choose to eat McDonald's, especially over something like weed, And I'm like, whoa, wait a minute.

46:48 You have to come down to the immigration center and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, what the fuck does that have to do with anything? I made this place my home. And if fucking Japan doesn't want me, I don't want to fucking And then he kind of did something illegal where he told me that You got to leave your name, your phone number, your address, and everything.

48:40 So when there are people that they're supposed to be protecting, from here i'm driving straight to fukushima what is the radiation like there uh the i went into the but if I'm not living there, it's not a big deal. Anytime. I have a Geiger counter and a dosimeter. And the dosimeter takes the accumulation of what your body is taking in. Yeah, just the thyroid.

51:05 blood chemistry which could cause cancer i mean oh yeah so then the second time i went in how's all over i mean the sun gives off radiation when it hits the concrete and bounces back off it's Radiation is actually particles of dust, yeah. You don't feel it. glass yeah there's some some radiations that get on glass and you can't even wash it off I mean, it literally can't run

53:14 So, I mean, geez. This is what we know. There's a lot of shit that can go on. Wow. so it was four years before that. before you moved? Yeah. It's a whole different thing to be able to read it and to be able to actually have to write it. just vocabulary. hear me speak japanese you probably think i'm fluent but considering i've been here for 20 years

56:08 How many different fighters are you working with, Dunn? He was a super fucking talented guy yeah you know that you know Yeah. You know, wrestling has this bad habit of stretching their arms out, using their arms and then against Von Lee, I was telling he was a bad motherfucker. the father, and I don't want Yeah. if that was a 10 I mean, Any big Coca-Cola company, Johnson & Johnson, any company has Yakuza connections.

59:33 They'll have back connections, yes, definitely. something that they know they need to be a part of in society but they don't want to make it public because the Yakuza has does have With the neck? Yeah, the gyms. Those men are awesome people. a normal person he'll just say hey i was using those weights oh sorry okay but it might be They thought they were going to do that.

1:02:11 Oh, really? I sent Dana an email on that because, if anything, I have a lot of pull in that side. It's interesting that there's such an underworld presence in Japan because it seems so safe when you're there. i i have this image that you screw with the mafia you better change your name you better move and willing to sacrifice. I want no money. three three three weeks.

1:05:16 So I'm sitting there watching the Uno kid fight. is. Went down to the they work by face they work by being tough being scary to collect money and stuff and if you got So if they didn't like it, if the top guys didn't like it, and I'm getting around and just giving him whacks at a time. And when we – there's this old lady. You know how you have the old ladies in the neighborhood that

1:07:41 hurt you now because you hurt our brother and then some of my guys came and held him back. And I'm looking and I say, I got one thing to do. Within five minutes. behind him wouldn't you think that's fair they believe in the underworld side is... to get help. If you're someone from the outside and you're like a regular businessman and these guys come and bother you,

1:10:18 When they steal money from people. are close to me it's just such a unbelievably fascinating culture how different japan is and run yourself in the Well, right now, like I said, it's at the number four right now. picture of two stick figures fighting and have a big x on it so don't fight don't fight it's like these guys from these guys already now So the UFC's done a couple of events there now

1:14:12 to that, I looked around the arena back is the ufc coming to japan if the ufc did an ultimate fighter in japan and a japanese version Yeah, yeah. Ricky Fukuda's very good. And he's an AKA now? man yeah omigawa has had uh some tough breaks you know yeah he had some bad calls but he he actually i might die but fighting with the will to die. You know, those fighters can go on forever, you know.

1:17:12 When Melvin Manhoof was beating on him, you're like, man, he doesn't need that at this stage of his life. but his ability to absorb punishment is fucking Sakuraba you're like 5-6 years before every fight I wish I could just take it lighter and say it's a sport. It lightens my... I'm super happy because that means I'm still alive. do probably yeah igor that was a crazy and it's actually the fight where i i thought that i should

1:20:04 Swollen brain, yeah. my liver count was like 2,000 times the normal person. You had a swollen brain. So they were worried that my brain might be bleeding there might be bleeding so I said, okay, I'm going to stand I'm going to stop the fight and we have a rule to kind of recollect and everything. And then when I sat down in the corner, when you see the video,

1:22:01 I'm saying no, no, meaning that there's two more minutes. my heart and my spirit didn't die. I wasn't interested in grabbing a pride belt. That's the reason why I took those fights, because I thought I was going to put myself in somewhere that was going to test my heart. is a strong man feels no pain but a man with the samurai spirit yamato damashi feels pain but can

1:24:25 But the man of Yamato Damashii fears opponent and sees it as a challenge and takes it on head-on. because it was all a thing of my way of saying goodbye to fighting, And no one knew. No one knew that I was going to retire. And fight but they didn't want to give me the mic and no one knew no one knew that i was gonna retire and i just grabbed the mic at the end

1:25:52 freaking real to myself man i'm gonna lose my honor if i don't take care of this shit so i So I thought, I'm going to enlist. I want to fight. And I was like, you guys just fucked up. I'm good with it. they call me and tell me that they want me to fight Noguera. I thought it was more real So, it was a big draw for Tomura. You and Vanderlei would have been a crazy fight you and Vandele you and Vandele

1:27:54 in every one of his fights and he'll recover then where people were paid to lose and paid to win, I'm Takata Komen. blatant be a dick about and say you know he fought a fake fight he's a dick you know he's a faggot because Sakuraba was fighting under Takada. It was so obvious. And plus, there was no way Hickson was going to throw a fight. Everybody was essentially a white belt.

1:30:51 I mean, I had dinner with him many years back could he fade that ground and pound? hickson against top level guys just to see if because he had this effect on people when he got I wanted to see him against higher guys. Hickson had made his mark in Japan. of his fights were fake and some of his fights were real yeah that's that's disrespectful that But, you know, pro wrestling is pro wrestling.

1:33:29 Tim Sylvia's had MMA. Yeah. Not anymore. I mean, he's a pro wrestler that just is really good at MMA. Yeah. and they closed Affliction down. Yeah, he was. Yeah, that guy's like every day 15 plus years He was fucking wild. time down there training him everybody respects him yeah being very well Yeah. uh give advice in the corner because you'll hear like sometimes in the corner like the

1:37:39 that he's facing. in my fight watch your arm and he knew when my hip shifted, watch the LFR. It's quiet. It's so strange. Well, I think it's good and bad, too. Booing is like, get a clue. You go, this is crazy. but I hate the fact they're filling them up with a certain percentage of douchebags. to be training and not just to be... Brazil is the most vocal,

1:41:21 So I asked the translator, I'm like, what are they saying? All he did was won. like yelling, screaming, giving him the finger when he stepped out of the cage. big thing to have the ufc there and they were like super super nationalistic and William calling him a faggot. I've been in fights where I had to take my ear pieces off spider silva they were going fucking crazy.

1:44:23 They're the most loud. I'm like, oh, that's that animosity you had back in the day And the craziest thing about New Zealand is you got these crazy fighters there. I mean, I couldn't understand that. It's the culinary union. i love watching that as well yeah i think there's room for all that shit. They're fighting it. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'm going to go fucking film some porno films.

1:47:47 Nobody would have ever thought it. the reputation have this envious thing and I just that dude he's straight up too i like the way you you and him are straight up and if you don't like What is real sport? Because every man in a fucking football uniform running into other men wants to beat those guys' asses. You've got linebackersers, you got wide receivers.

1:50:04 Come in, get the strikers in. What we worked on in the gym is this. He's been working hard in the gym. how many times have you seen guys give up a choke when you know that they didn't? That's what it is. after with the same arm. If you're focusing on It's anticipation. the last minute with a fucking broken arm so that he could win on points I mean like that's awesome

1:53:12 he was making sure that he didn't stop the fight. That's all about focus, I think. One of the most impressive fights that I ever saw where a guy lost the fight, but I'm like, So he couldn't punch with either hand. Couldn't grapple. in the face of that kind of an injury, It's 2.17 in the morning. I want to thank you very much for doing this, man. And thanks for all the people that asked for this

1:55:45 I have these braces on the website, but it's destinyforever.com. Appreciate it, man. And now he's wearing like $100 million or something fucking crazy. It's over.