Joe Rogan Experience #328 — Dan Carlin Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. I think now more than ever in this country, there's a learning – a yearning rather to understand how the hell we got here. ice road trucker kind of leaves a vacuum for some of us to sort of just shoot through, too. So we're sticking with the podcast I think. There's a lot of very popular podcasts where it's just people talking and you're getting

2:46 I'm liking that. He runs BulletproofExec.com and he wrote The Bulletproof Executive and his idea about Bulletproof not being actual Bulletproof, just being that it's rock-solid nutrition, rock-solid management of your body, all this stuff. issue that so many people weren't aware of you're going to work and you just you know drinking that coffee from the the coffee machine the coffee maker that you know bob may hey bob when's how

3:57 I mean, like you said, the whole creative side of so many industries I don't think so. Isn't that bizarre when you hear about like salt used to be worth a lot of money? I read a whole thing about how Afghanistan might be all about lithium deposits and stuff. warlords and they control various areas and it's through the whole country and there's only like a little bit of city life.

5:58 You get in there and you can't make – there's no one to make deals with that controls all – you have a deal with this chief and all of a sudden you don't have a deal with the other chief. I remember when McCain was running for president and Obama was talking about going into Afghanistan. Yeah, well, that's a strange culture. I remember when McCain was running for president

6:40 He was like, this is like run by The terrain is like beyond Martian in Afghanistan. The problem is that we treat them differently than live people. But we can do it with a machine because, well, there's no Americans there. That is still to be – did they confirm that, that they were going to use a drone to go after that guy? Dormer? Yeah. Do you think it would? I think people would just accept it.

10:10 yeah you know we knew you killed him so i mean that's a that that's going to happen too i mean ever want to do that is the real question. Oh, yeah. I mean how many guys are named Omar or Mohammed or – I mean … I mean I think … Oh, we had committee hearings, which you cannot even imagine today, which shows you how much things have changed. And you hear it today.

13:40 It's very doubtful that you're really getting that kind of key information from people by throwing water down their mouth. What makes you think, one, that it'll stay with terrorists and two, that what a terrorist But yet we're still just human beings and human beings have to be protected from their own instincts. You have to have – you have to, as as an American citizen be able to state your case.

15:57 I'm using air quotes. That's the problem is that we're in a situation where it's wartime and it's going to be wartime forever unless somebody declares it over. in a cage for a while in case there's spies. It's when Bush did this war on terror thing and basically the neocon folks said – remember John Yoo, the advisor to the president, the Office of Legal Counsel said that if the president wanted to, he could torture a son to get the father to talk.

18:07 happened to Rome. It's like it's sort of you get a vote, but you get a vote for a representative. vote. Yeah, it's weird when you think like that. I mean, when you realize that when they had the revolution, we became the first major They were going, don't blame that on us. I shouldn't say, don't think that anyone's going to overthrow the government. It's not really

21:31 that the government's going to come again. Like, I've never heard this before in my life, I thought it was Oklahoma, but it was one of those places where you're like, whoa, settle The first one was when you talked about the revolution thing. I'm of a different mind. I try to look at It's hard for me to imagine us actually staying in this sort of stasis that we're in right now.

23:58 back country where you get – and this was in the era of the so-called militia movement just point out that I think people who think like that are not paying a whole lot of attention to Yes. and child abuse and this or that. Undeniably, right? They're the ones benefiting from the way things are. Well, this is another question entirely. I think that's what it's going to take. It's going to take a real feeling like, okay,

27:51 of it? Remember that scene from the Kevin Costner version of The Untouchables? There's a scene in It doesn't turn over all at once. And there's a seniority If you show that you're going to play ball, we'll let you run the committee. right off the congressional property because you're not allowed to fundraise on government property so they've Oh, yeah.

30:33 but money is how you get our attention. And they've convinced themselves that this is fine. there was another side wow so so in a sense i mean i'm not trying to let these guys off the hook I mean, he was, okay, okay, I'll talk to this guy, and then where are we going next? And, I mean, I thought an he was like a robot i mean he was okay okay i'll talk to this guy and then where are we going next and i mean i thought the guy was like you know a manchurian

32:14 Yes. And they're going to tell you where the cafeteria is. He's the one making the big stink about not being able to get any of these secret documents so when you say couldn't we get new people in here and couldn't that fix everything? How do they get their numbers? Generally, what happens is they have a staff and they're going change things. This money is mostly some of it's for campaign organization, right? You want your

35:09 In the old days, I mean, all you have to do is, you know, we have a new cereal and it's Don't you devalue what that money buys? The whole point is to change your mind. So I'm voting for this third party. I mean what if you had somebody who – what if Robert Redford? those two things have to be in the same person. So when you elect a Ronald Reagan, Because I think most people are like, yeah, I like what he's saying, but I can't imagine that little, short, strange-talking, we're going to clean out the barn kind of guy being president.

38:40 I mean if they're honest, I'm on board. to a canada go read about you don't look at obama speeches i tell everybody to go I think that when you become president, Perfect. And they say, any questions? I mean we're not getting grassroots. where the Obama administration really angers me. It's not unusual to have some president go off half-cocked and do wild, crazy things like President Bush did after 9-11. In fact, I kind of forgive those people a little bit put legislation in right now mandating a cooling off period after the next 9-11 so we don't legislate while we're temporarily insane.

42:46 It's interesting because this gets back to a point we made earlier. More than normal because of that whole wartime authority that we talked about earlier. I mean, if the Republicans are going to say, well, you know, you can't do that in wartime. how we can do something that's who John you was he was one of these people That doesn't tend to happen. They've got all the kinks out, fixed the flaws, and designed a completely new thing.

45:56 You had 13 million people then or something, you have 300 million now. But when you have them working at cross purposes from us on a lot of this stuff, that's asking too much. On the other side, you'll be a very rich person. Yeah, that's ridiculously open. Well, that was hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, maybe a high school team. They believe that that's

49:52 But I remember a lot of people at the time thinking like, wow, what are they going to and the questions and everything else, Perot exceeded their original rules. He was able to get enough of the population and involvement and rise enough in the polls because of his money, like you said, to get in the debates. The debt, for example, that was Perot's big issue, that's a bipartisan creation.

51:30 their current bar that they've said me teddy roosevelt ran as a third party candidate from You have to raise a certain amount of money. Really quite cute. What I like about it is I like how they both act as though it's in the Constitution somewhere. Well, when you have an issue like Bush to Obama where not only do you see very little change in how we operate.

53:07 Like what really has happened here? all the time where we talk about how crazy the world is today. It really does seem to be, if you look at how advanced medicine is today, And why do I care that all these things are going on? permission or struck by drones i mean so so i i guess maybe there's a way to look We just sort of stumbled along. you know they're only going to rob a half a million dollars each.

57:47 holdovers from the other conservative shows and so i'm screaming and yelling about you know when They'll go to work and they'll raise a family and maybe save up for college and just make it work, a little shell game here and there, but just a decent life. I think it's on the way. Yeah, where we have never seen before. And that's one of the things that I was alluding to when I was talking earlier about

59:57 important because it tells you how we got here yeah you know you might i had a teacher once that Absolutely. Look at the 1960s, which whatever you may have thought about it was a period of change in whatever direction. They've done an awesome job of marginalizing those people. constantly getting called out for what he's doing his whole career off with a fake rape case you know thatana Brawley. Yeah, yeah. So that's what they allow.

1:02:43 Remember, we were Generation X. Imagine what those 60s people would have done with the internet. 20 years ago, I was in ABC over here in town, ABC News. such a strange time They made them all illegal. Well, they made them illegal then because that was the first time law enforcement around the country was running into widespread problems with it. It's like I say today.

1:05:36 Well, also you have to address what's being done with these drugs and what's the effect because they've made no effort whatsoever to stop things that turn you stupid. They're passing laws now that say, oh, they're going after the hydrocodone. And what a pain management center is, you go because it's been exposed. They had a show called the OxyContin Express.

1:07:25 areas, right? it's a puritan ethic or if it's the companies that make the current products that are legal and less harmful to society. I don't think the government has any plans whatsoever on either sort of a way that people were looking at the world that was impossible for the 1950s And it should be something like 100 questions. You put alcohol on there, put caffeine on there, and let's see how it scores.

1:10:55 You know, Provigil. Your heart rate doesn't go up. No, no, no. Do you know what it is or do you just take it sight unseen? Is it legal because they just haven't gotten around to banning it yet? Absolutely. I'm not bullshitting. That's the actual chemical name. Well, for sure. Well, being caught with any chemical, the prescription is a misdemeanor, right?

1:13:54 I remember the marijuana episode where the guy is the family man. Traffic fatalities. It might depend on how high. What would you even – I think it would be beneficial to society as far as a relaxing – Everything – How do you teach them how to drink? Oh, of course they do. And one of the things that he would, it seems like Uncle Vinny, but he's actually an artist

1:16:38 I learned a lot listening to this guy tell and i remember thinking like that like he kept me from being on the times you fucked up as well so what do you do if i saw something the other day where snoop dog is So I'm off on the deep end here already. Are you up there? But gosh, it's a beautiful country up there. No, and this town used to be a great place to live.

1:18:37 This cold is for pussies. This is nothing. There's only two of us, and I want to drink. They're going to be in prison for doing something that, you know, And there's no question that I think whether it's alcohol or anything else, that's going the founders had that we ought to use the states as laboratories, this is where you get to the you know the the state and it puts the state lawmakers in a really weird position because

1:21:22 Like, OK. Yeah, you don't have five guys break into a house because he has a joint. I don't know who's keeping this stuff illegal, so it's hard for me to pin down what the moment of going too far is going to be. People are still going to drink. start donating to the federal legislators? distill your own alcohol in your backyard if you want to. I mean, you take all of the companies that you might be able to get on your bandwagon

1:24:04 And these things grow whether you want them to or not. They get high. enacted into law the whole thing and they overturn that College kid just working there. They steal all the drugs. And they can hold on to it for years and years and years. It's just the federal law, but they don't actually do anything about this. and if you don't we get to keep this car and sell it

1:27:37 version of it. So they pull you over. a second though because one of the things In other words, because the feds do not come in and enforce the Constitution, because they And I would like to say proudly Los Angeles with Police Chief Darrell Gates in the old stuff is hand-me-down right from the military. And if you don't want that, you're going to run around with a stupid Colt.44 revolver when you could have an AR-15 in a tank?

1:30:47 Exactly, exactly. And I think most of them are good guys. They have the hardest job in the world. It's really difficult. You're protecting people from bad people. I mean the cops just enforce the laws. um and you do it at the weirdest times i would go out to these murder scenes be like four in the It's insane pressure. I don't think there's anything wrong with helping out less fortunate countries.

1:33:23 they were going to kill me and throw my body into podcaster and it's just they had to be thrilled i was there but the first question i asked these but you want to ask your representatives be the people to pay for this? If it's for the entire world's sake, why isn't the entire world you can't win an argument, don't have the argument. Yeah, that's the reason why you've

1:35:44 No, it's obesity. This is part of how – I mean listen. Don't think that there's any government – I mean Sweden, which always ranks in the top three or four as the least corrupt nations of the world, still has corruption. But here's the thing. I guarantee you that governments can function well a certain distance down that list. Not walking is a whole different thing than limping around, right?

1:37:42 out screaming in the mirror. You won't be able to feel – you won't be able to feel like it makes any sense. degree that did, what's this going to do? And how are the authorities going to react when it starts Meeting in the park and speaking in a soapbox. neural frequency connection where we're going to be able to exchange information without This is just something that's too dangerous for an individual to have, but we'll be able

1:40:10 You're the head of the CIA. I haven't figured out the Benghazi thing either. That's a Greek tragedy thing, man. I was just talking about that with my wife the other day. off the foot. It's like, you know, he's getting rooked. runner I ever saw and he's What a huge fuck-up. even though it's bad, to start writing books about how shit really works i think that's when you have your kennedy moment

1:43:15 Pillow talk terrorism. That's what that is. And the whole thing is, what's really tragic is you see the wife and his wife is sort of, It goes back to the military code of honor, which of course there's a lot of other things you could do that would seem to violate the military code of honor but don't have you know don't have adulterous affairs i just thought it

1:44:43 I've analyzed this very carefully because that woman is much more attractive as a woman than he is as a man. Sure. power thing i mean these guys i think there's this this you get this sense and you see it with with Me too, man. But if you get to the level of general, it's quite a lifestyle. Because I always think with Clinton and Lewinsky, are you an idiot?

1:46:56 I suppose it depends on the definition. a freak. I think Clinton is one of those How do you pull that – how do we just pull Paula Jones out? There was some blonde. Jessica Hahn. He dared the media to catch him. what was her name no marla maples was the chick that was married to uh what's his fucking face How is he going to say no to that? She's got a long shirt that's over the pants, and she's got a drink in her hand boom party time that's why he became

1:49:47 them i mean look again at kennedy who is like one of our most loved presidents yeah but you know She was entranced by the guy. Kennedy was funny too. I mean, the guy was the kind of – well, and Frank Sinatra and all those guys used to party with him because Kennedy was a fun guy on a bunch of different levels. into like some you know really hardcore clandestine. And the bomber takes off and it's like just in the sky and the whole thing just explodes.

1:52:07 Yeah, it really was. When it got to Vietnam, it got to be – it's so much different because people were like, well, it was a stupid fucking war. Vietnam. So that's a bad night. You can't dodge the war. So that's his move? If you're in Gore's position, don't you want to have like a third party witness there because to feel bad about. And if we were living in China, that would be a normal part of your massage.

1:54:39 Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with getting jerked off, Yeah, we talked about my fart theory of aliens. It's the internet. Getting jerked off in a hotel room by a masseuse. I wouldn't know anything of your- I was going to say, unless his name is Petraeus. What was her name, the chick in Florida? And she is – Girls together for generals outrageously.

1:56:49 been for uh going after the wives of people who were ranked higher than they were so i mean this going to die. You're over there You want to let down after a hard day at work. My day at work is not as hard as those guys. I mean, get jerked off. It's just research for a part. Absolutely. What do you think about – this is something that I really want to make sure that we touch on and bring it back to Al Gore, believe it or not, but in a serious way.

1:59:27 people they cover the question to ask the president and the other candidates is everything You don't get your question answered and you never get to come back and that works now. Our fourth estate. Yes, but let me tell you the difference because you're absolutely right and thank goodness. I'm not out doing the investigative work. from a news standpoint, was so much better than what we have now in terms of exposés

2:03:09 members of the sheriff's department call me up on the sly and they start telling me what the sheriff we need to do down the road where we need their cooperation and now they're not going to help us. on that. I think it was an inevitability. This isn't going to be a trend of ours to bring down presidents and everything. The government abuses this privilege over and over again but if it's really going to

2:06:44 pretty darn invaluable. But, you know, I'm sorry. To me, that's pretty darn Well, and to be honest, we may not know, but has the world fallen apart since they did? And WikiLeaks was providing context that the media used to provide. who he is now and he was disgruntled and mad at being uh not getting a promotion and all this losing their lives. This is about how much scandal you would have if we really knew what

2:09:36 Part of the problem here is that this guy is such a weirdo anyway. see me right I'm looking up at Joe's wonderful monitor here. Look who you're following. See, I am willing to dance at every possible opportunity to keep me from ever having to be in any sort of a political position. Does anybody know when this is taken? Or Clinton. I mean, you know, Julian Assange lends.

2:11:31 You like it? Some poor girl. They were lying in bed naked. The danger isn't that he's going to go to Sweden and face these charges. Yeah, for sure. This is a big story. forget his last name um yeah the guy who's responsible for the creation of rss feeds yes for starting a fire where you can kill a guy and get out in 12. I mean, not that an American would either if you were accused of a crime of terrorism. I mean if you're accused of a crime of terrorism and you're in a place like Afghanistan, you have no rights at all if a guy in the executive branch of government decides that. murder and just so exposing the whether it's ineptitude or just a casual disdain or or or

2:15:22 you from treating them like prisoners of war. We don't know who tomorrow's terrorists are. It's the old American canard of the targeted extra-extraordinary law. insulated, you couldn't get the top guys, we were going to have a special law that just applied to The Patriot Act is used way more for marijuana than it ever has been for terrorists. Joe, let me get back to the media thing. How does the president not have to

2:18:31 You have an international audience. I just want him to get up there and have to face the questions and hear how they weasel this i mean how do you get away with two terms in office and you never have to answer a question on But what happened was people started getting suspicious. He was a gay prostitute, and he was a man who ran a gay prostitute website.

2:20:37 I remember the guy's name. Somebody might say to take up one questioning position that wasn't used by a journalist who would have asked a tough question. The controversial guy that wouldn't believe that Mitt Romney lost the last election. I know nothing about this for lawsuit purposes. Well, you know what? questions so friendly, this is in quotes, that they might have been planted. And this

2:22:57 website where he was had male escorts yeah so this is like the barney frank story where he's got the next question. What's he do now? That's not a lot of money. Oh, that's crazy. the press credentials before you actually get the press But he had naked pictures on a bunch of different gay escort sites. Yeah. This was the D.C. madam. Yeah, this was one of my favorite stories though about how you can't trust the press because who put the press into that position, especially during – I mean that was one of the things that people had commented about,

2:26:22 because what are you going to do? calling it on again. I mean, if we really cared about the direction the country was That's where we went. Is he a really good writer? I'll leave that to you. Dan Carlin. He could put it on a book jacket, a blurb. His professional name in the homosexual escort service was Bulldog. This is a picture of him from his website.

2:29:18 Can I harp on it again? Am I the only person that thinks David Gregory is – I mean, he's a softball pitcher, literally. I mean, you watch this and you just go, how is this satisfying to no offense, boy, they are softballed down the middle, lobs. I'm sorry, Wikimedia. But when you're talking about real corruption, corruption being exposed by WikiLeaks

2:31:27 with more information or less information i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i happened after september 11th where uh and it was very scary to me where all of a sudden no one wanted to to save the country, write some rules about that now. Say we're going to be out of our minds. Let's far before September 11th but couldn't get passed. know the specifics yet it's not that it's part of a scheme or or they're trying to to slip something

2:34:21 One of the things they've gone over is like the amount of paperwork that these guys We're going to be able to absolve lies. I think the bigger danger is they're already reading your mind, and that's the problem. Yeah, I always said with clones, it's just a matter of time in the corner yes i wonder um how we're going to keep this sort of uh very flawed system afloat

2:36:14 upon with Iran and stuff is that you need a more controlled internet and those kind They say that, but the governments of all the world are putting in so much effort to this. They're not government agents. you begin to grow a new generation of people that never knew a pre-911 world, for example, that don't have the same feeling we have about loss of rights or any of these other things

2:37:48 I don't agree. I don't think there's anybody like that. And that was something that I was not aware of before, that the FBI and the CIA don't like each other, which is hilarious. The fact that the FBI was willing to go after the CIA and that's how this whole thing happened with Petraeus and he got smoked out like that. I think it's like we said though.

2:40:52 And the membership, the people attending these anti-war rallies plummeted once those people weren't going to get drafted. How do you think it's going to go down over the next 10 years? You think it's going to be like right after September 11th? I think we're moving towards a government that agrees with a lot of other governments about certain things, and one is I don't think most of the world governments are happy about the internet's ability to –

2:42:49 and this is just people shooting the shit but just the uh the ability to translate each other's Maybe. I think technological innovation is our savior. The fact that the internet has provided this open platform that didn't exist before. can follow dan on twitter it's dc common senseSense. And you all – is it DCHardcoreHistory as well? They're big, big supporters of you.

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