Joe Rogan Experience #334 — Dr. Amit Goswami Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. I read a lot of your work and it is some very, very fascinating and for a person as dumb as I am, confusing stuff. Right. You know, if anything unusual happens, people say I took a quantum leap is discontinuous. But it's used everywhere today. Everybody knows, you know, if anything unusual happens, Well, I have to go back a little.

2:02 mean you know science fiction language captures it a little bit. that we call nature. The spiritual traditions are transcendent, imminent. where everything is possibility. Nothing concrete, no thing, no thingness. And then this level of reality where we of course live, where we find things manifest, where things look like they're particles, They can be both moving and still,

4:18 I have to think about it. But we know what possibility is. Possibility of an electron being anywhere in the room. When an observer tries to measure where the electron is, So only by measuring it, it becomes a concrete object? But you hadn't measured it before? There's no choice because the consequences are predicted I mean anytime you're talking about super nature,

7:29 But the thing that people need to look at first I think is the idea of superposition, the idea that – what you were saying, the idea that they have measured things both moving and still at the same time and they have shown that things can leap from one place to another. It's even more intriguing than that. Let me claim the full claim of quantum physics.

9:03 including ourselves, like when we sleep, deep sleep, nobody is observing me. For me to move substantial distance that somebody can discern it, Whereas our common sense will say, no, no, Why creative? And what is the number that they're moving? How far? So these objects carry information which is in more than one place. Then we can really get into creativity.

12:53 The most creative people, they are not just doing preparation. about the water wave before, if you throw a pebble in a pond, the water will expand from, obviously your chance of being creative is greater. This is the idea that has explained That's where my causal power of creativity lies. You have heard of aha. So the idea is that the imagination is a quantum realm.

15:39 from. And when we choose, a new possibility might arise or a whole The other theories are just inadequate to explain the creative process. has always been fascinating to me. cities the imagination created nuclear power the imagination created satellites I mean these are all because of the imagination in our conscious thought and more and more and more new,

18:39 and this mixing waves together will produce patterns of what you call patterns of interference I've heard you say that you believe that consciousness is non-local. cracks up. The most surprising thing in You know, Einstein was a theoretician. they predict stuff. paper, he and his collaborators, and electrical waves through these microphones. Signals are local, going through space, taking...

22:23 it has to be non-local. And this is what you the gist of it. it's easy to understand. Yeah, they will run away. this photon over here, the other one was measuring the photon over there in the laboratory, still That shows there is non-local communication between these two photons. he himself said that, We know what the object is exactly. S-C-I-R-E, scire, which means to know.

26:10 He showed that to change an object, a material object, from possibility to actuality, that concreteness, they're within consciousness, they must be. Lots of stuff can happen, right, multifacets, So how does consciousness choose in an experiment like a space? and therefore must be outside of space and time. I think what a lot of people think of as consciousness is being sentient.

29:06 Once it gets down to the voodoo, they almost have to. You see the possibility, actuality, that parallel? Well, they mean quantum physics. So if it makes contact with something else When it chooses, we get actuality. That was in the unconscious state at that time. connecting the objects, connecting the observers, So just by the presence of the observer changes the experiment?

32:26 then this concretization that we are calling, Before you looked, you didn't exist. Can we assume that all this other shit was Or is your world the whole world? I'm not saying me personally. Okay. the quantum connection to consciousness. Consciousness, non-local of the quantum connection. Right. We are the quantum connection to consciousness. So what happens?

34:51 logic, this circular logic is what manifests reality from wrote a marvelous book in 1980 called Goyal Esharbhag. I am looking at the electron. it's real. Dudes have been there. They've taken pictures. In fact, people built it and they wrote as objects, it will become a different Detroit. No, changes don't occur that we equate to consciousness. Let's analyze what we are really saying.

38:31 but underneath all the islands are connected. So we both have that reciprocity. No electromagnetic wave can go through the walls of this Faraday cage. But we are still meditating with the idea that somehow we'll communicate directly without signals. The other subject is not shown. The brainwaves from this subject, not exposed to light waves, they overlap almost exactly, like 70% overlap is often seen,

41:52 The other one is... that the two brains are non-locally connected? connection. It's not? Imagine consciousness contained in this brain and in this brain. No need to say that brain involves something else. Communicating by, like what? If that's the case, then wouldn't it do you justice to get as far away from a city as possible? I mean, it's true that some of that may very well be true.

45:28 Does it spread only locally? Unless you and I have some sort of intention that connects us, which, by the way, was performed first by a neurophysiologist never see people, but we are correlated because we are some cause that brings us together. Or one person's happiness can today, it's taking off like wildfire they will have this laughing meditation.

48:42 So jokes and then just the wave of laughter? But here, because of that non-local correlation For about 15, 20 minutes. I understand that there's some sort of a shared... He takes what is called random number generators. completely random. which can be calculated. on specific numbers to be generated? Yeah, zeros and ones. And how did it affect it? vary that much from the great hive?

52:31 If you set up a group of meditators, but not Whereas if their energy is not focused on it, it doesn't have an effect on it and the Because intention is also a focusing. You and I had a transferred potential. but you have in your brain memory of seeing light flashes. subjects of the objects of the unconscious for processing. So unconscious Well, based on the brain memory existing.

55:29 To communicate We have I would say zero Give the name. Wait a minute. Unfortunately. you would not have the actual transfer potential. has the possibility, but nothing more than that, But I don't think it necessarily means that consciousness is non-local. No, no, no. Nothing imprecise. So there's no transfer whatsoever if no one's meditating. I totally appreciate that. So the matrix

59:17 I totally understand that. other person completely... You're just objecting to language. No cognition. Now you are using another language. You agree that there is something non-local, right? actually during this broadcast that there is without signals a transfer of information or transfer of electric potential. Two dozen experiments in two dozen laboratories

1:02:02 our theory, because Remember, people already have data, extensive data of telepathy. Again, it's subjective, so people, of course, would object. He's just drawing a picture of the statue that you're looking at. and the picture that the person has drawn. Yeah, Russell Targ is actually coming on the podcast. But even then, material is object to it because It's no longer subject. But even then material is object

1:05:22 the transfer potential experiment, is this something that is beginning to show its potential in the human species? Clyde Baxter. And there are others. but great experiment that dogs communicate telepathically with their masters. I haven't seen that. He doesn't pay. Look, in this kind of situation, you can always raise some objection to everything. to his house and he showed us a movie

1:08:50 The dog movie, I remember very clearly. where the master sat, This time and time again, he has photographed the dog Multiple times of it, and always using cameras in both places in synchrony, and always exactly No. You learn something, it's stored in the morphic fields, morphogenetic fields. That does? real experiment was that in an island, some monkeys learned, a monkey mother, that's how

1:12:22 anthropological data. Well, it was an exaggeration. Comedians exaggerate too, but it's funny. Well, not that way. if human beings, I mean the word evolution is a very touchy subject amongst people just knowing how to use a cat litter box. because you were right and you were right. The idea that epigenetics are related to this morphogenetic fields. is this phenomenon of morphogenesis or cell differentiation. We all begin as, you and I, both began as single-celled embryos, right?

1:15:54 So the explanation is that some genes are activated in the toe, So people say there must be programs. you assume that morphogenetic fields are the blueprints of biological form But how are they doing it in all in synchrony? Even learning from the past do get passed on. So the belief is that specific, some specific type of learning which involves emotions.

1:18:57 But if it is purely cerebral, mental, Many people have written about this. all the different serotonin and dopamine and the neurotransmitters on a daily basis, and were on withdrawal. It's very dangerous to put the natural brain under drugs of any kind, it's almost epidemic. But besides heart disease and cancer, depression is the third most common chronic disease, seems like. Why is it? Because depression depends so much on these brain chemicals.

1:22:32 You know what happens when you take Prozac. we are getting into stuff, the very device that we need that is intimately connected seen people take medication and it's benefited them greatly and it's improved there but there's that but then there's also people that just they're not living However you interacted with a person that created this terrible wave of bad feelings.

1:24:50 that the psychological effect of stuff If the cause is coming from genetics or family history or clear brain dysfunction, brain imbalance, then expression, which resides in the throat chakra, Sexuality is low? I always got pissed off at monks that don't have sex. Fear is also good sometimes because it takes us away from danger. Positive emotions Psychologically caused cases of depression. Psychologically caused cases of depression, that's where you have to differentiate, correct?

1:28:28 have you ever lived with a mentally ill person? continue. What I suggested is called mind-body medicine suggestion. What I suggested is called mind-body medicine is that we have a lot of genetics that are set up from a different time For another thing, you know, how do you bring this stuff to a child? because some of our conditioning of the body a new educational system which will

1:31:48 present life system which is more It was until I discovered new ways of teaching. I choose, therefore something can happen. Like, hey man, get off my ego. very common experience What are morphogenetic fields? through consciousness. Yeah. Of course. Yoga, of course, has a Sanskrit name of it. I don't remember. Sanskrit name of it, right. Do they work on that one in yoga too? Is that why those girls are wearing those tight pants? Is that what that's all about?

1:34:39 Yeah, of course. Just take one class or whatever's in your neighborhood. You want to hug people. the energy gets into So endorphin Yes, and you're stretching, and exercise of the muscles and the joints yes and Once you have attained it. People that are just claiming to be spiritual and showing up at yoga classes, but they're really annoying. And in reality, it's a small percentage of the yoga people that are fake.

1:37:41 The fake yoga man is trying to get laid. The fake yoga woman Sometimes it tends to be just finding a one-night stand, which is, of course, your language is quite accurate. And I'm sure that as quantum physics makes more inroads, there will be these quantum fakers. hemp sandals and you just want to comes to the master, spiritual master. that stuff over there either,

1:40:04 Because I'm stealing your stuff? And as he looks at the master and tries to do some of the stuff, and he will be able to steal more. Why are you prolonging your stay? and just allowing them in the process, produce changes in me that are profound. curious, a little more curious. One day they will ask, well, can I actually start doing Feynman said something like, nobody understands quantum physics once upon a time. He did say something like that.

1:44:17 is needed to understand quantum mechanics. as a way of finding a comfortable place to meditate. Originally the idea was just to Isn't pranayama a way of slowing down the breath and therefore all the organs? but in the original way that yoga was done, that's quite slow. slows down our emotions. we really don't even need meditation regularly. We can just do yoga and get the benefit on the mind

1:47:49 Not from that point of view. I was going to ask you about... No, no, it's not so very important stuff. Oh, those dudes in Washington don't play games. This is a classic story. Nothing is happening. So we said, well, let's go to dinner. This is a classic story. starts feeling something i will take her you gotta go claim her i had to and those kids in aisle five she didn't eat

1:49:55 Just left us guys there. Wow, what an He thought you were all going to go to jail. which is approximately four to five times more psychoactive than THC. Mine, too. I've never had that. So in the early 80s you were a standard nuclear theorist, right? I was struggling. I already came out of it, but I had not found, I had not discovered the new possibilities of quantum physics yet.

1:52:38 at gusto. Nobody appreciates it I'm just jealous, jealous, jealous and inadequate. You eat a lot of thumbs? And I have this ocean breeze hit my face and a thought. So what was this change, though? You were ready to look at yourself because before you weren't. How to love my wife, how to love children, how to get along with friends better. Slowly. Well, I do and I don't.

1:56:25 That's when we have an open mind. that is useful to solve certain problems with given context. you know, we are touching about this earlier. We don't learn that stuff, you know, this open first. That, okay, with this Wow. So the idea that, so in saying, I'm sorry, this is a hard way to wrap your head around it, But all on the basis of what you know already.

1:59:12 among the conditioned spectrum of knowledge. no, you don't have the choice to choose the flavor of ice cream even. We have to open up to what in spiritual tradition is called God's will. There is some accuracy in it. Rational is a bigger enemy of intuition than our emotions. Positive emotions are very helpful to intuition. So how would you describe it? That rational thinking is

2:02:12 All of their, even the worldview itself, right? What else can it be? There's a problem with the definition, the word rational. experience, not just sensory experience that materialists agree with. Michael Shermer has a great point, a great quote rather, that the only thing smart people are better at is rationalizing their dumb ideas. I call it spiritual economics.

2:05:30 Oh, they're like Stephen Greer's people. on a laptop in my office and we were just trying to have some fun. Whereas I've talked to literally hundreds of people that say the podcast changed their life and that once they started listening, they started eating healthy, started exercising. That openness. That openness that says that, well, okay, we have this habit.

2:07:53 You're a very really, really interesting and intelligent guy, and here I am without teaching you any vocabulary, like me who has read at least a half a dozen books on this stuff, it's hard to wrap your become more humanistic. The last thing I wanted to ask you about, I can't let you go without this. You're laughing at this. The reason I lost interest in

2:11:18 It's just theory. doesn't hesitate to talk about string theory, quite doable science. that they will never collect... whether it's correct or whether it's just daydreaming. So people should recognize that science has two prongs. Never. Not particularly good, but weapons technology at least is a feasible offshoot of high energy physics. Like super strength theory.

2:15:30 Right on. God is Not Dead is another one. Okay, let me find it. Is that you There's a lot of you on there, unfortunately. Yeah. but then down 20 years from now you find out, oh, it was just the laser. because lasers travel in very, very close to straight lines, I found you on Twitter. Okay. We would love to have you. Is any of your books available on audio book?

2:19:30 It's on Amazon. Amit? Thanks also to Amit.com. coming up in San Diego Tony Hinchcliffe Sam Tripoli, Josh Fadum, Tony Hinchcliffe, Johnny Pemperton. Triple X Squad, Muff said, live shows. All right, folks. Tuesday, Scott Sigler, who is a horror author. Those photos, I heard those were fake photos. the little boys, the little kids that had never seen a white guy before.