Joe Rogan Experience #359 — Alex Grey Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. uh, uh, represent a very positive and a very unusual force in the world of art and in the world of They look like Egyptian sort of pharaoh type faces and they're all three. You know, there's a, you know, where none of us get out alive, et cetera, et cetera. weird thing though to see it so clearly captured in artwork and it's one of the weirdest things that people point to when they point to uh either ancient religious art or you know just various uh

3:56 werner herzog documentary about uh the ancient cave art i believe is in france is that where it something that someone 40,000 years ago drew it seems so insane but it also seems like a blip imagination. When I see like a beautiful sunset or a beautiful forest, you know, in the mountains in itself. look at it and get a positive feeling from it. You know, in the back of the dollar bill, they have that somewhat Masonic-looking pyramid with the eye and the triangle floating above.

8:29 That one really knocked my socks off. I know. 20-foot heads. It's going to be, it's all the way around. I know. This is her sacred language that is the thing that binds the building together. That looks straight out of a piece of the wreckage from Roswell. Yeah, maybe that's a good move, yeah. You're like – everybody has always said that wouldn't it be amazing if somebody created a religion that actually wasn't based on anything ancient or based on trying to get your money but based on the true principles of love and the word that you like to use all the time, God,

11:28 to start thinking as a planetary civilization and the internet has helped us all to form an image of a networked kind of distributed intelligence that goes all around the world. about nine days left so where how do they get to this if people want to Just Google that. It's like they – in wanting – whatever part of what they are that is good, wanting to achieve some higher level, they've done it with their art, with the architecture. You look at some of the ancient Roman architecture that's dedicated to the Catholic Church, it's

14:28 Well, you know, he was a neop new Platonist and what does that mean well that means he was an idealist and that he was he had just become familiar with They make you like that one right there. All of them, yeah. And information is settling and people are starting to understand. They have a greater understanding of what constitutes a happy life and how to achieve happiness

17:11 That's one of the reasons why I think that – I know a lot of people gravitate towards your stuff. But they're at that phase of the alchemical journey of healing. Oh, my God. that really had become very important for them. And the Kickstarter has been a way of connecting with this net of beings that have also taken on the imagining of it with us and the financing of it.

21:17 weekly uh basis now uh and but it's it's just a beautiful time of the year. And there's wisdom trails you can walk around and there's some art in the house. you can see it if you go to AlexGrey.com it's really going to be one of the coolest things on earth within a lineage of the development of different kinds of sacred All of these are visionary, mystical experiences,

24:29 we've recovered them through psychedelics But for some, fasting and there are numerous kinds of austerities and things like that that could have been a natural part of life. So you can go to the edge and see the other world as well. Yeah, or just eat this and you'll be okay soon. that were made out of love and understanding matter if it was imaginary. It doesn't matter if it was only inside my head.

27:00 imagination whether it's artistic whether it's a song whether it's a joke that's things for human beings in this world. And yet we still don't give it the credit it deserves. there there. There is an infinite there there. And so this inner consciousness experience the one self is having through us is something I'm just fascinated by. Like, oh, I can't fucking grab anything.

29:54 And most of the big ones get away. Possibly. It's very competitive. It was kind of like, yeah, right. Hey, why don't you come on over? Was that Columbus College of Art and Design? In conceptual art. And I went back recently. because that would change your mind with the quickness irish drunks on coke that's i knew a And then later Tim Leary and Ram Dass and those guys.

34:36 me worked hard look at you i got lucky no you well for sure trust me there's a lot of luck involved a bunch of people died in Oklahoma with a horrible tornado. and sends them flying through the air. That is It's not that easy Around Detroit apparently, right? It's crazy if you really stop and think about it. I have to take a bunch of people's words for things because you can't read things.

37:40 And there's got to be a way to do that first. Like as a race? Oh, they have those commercials. You're only five feet away. we have deserts in America too. we, yeah, we sent, we came over here with your food and occurred to us that we you wouldn't need food if you people would move where the food is like you live in a fucking desert and he grabs the first truly psychedelic

39:44 Right. w it works with obama i mean it just it just the material works just substitute this guy for that Because there were so many guys that were doing that. because maybe it will have them seek to understand it now. Hicks made a lot of people aware of psychedelics too there was a lot of people that did not know that it just led a lot of people to explore that.

43:28 kind of underlying And I was like, who the fuck is Terrence McKenna? Yes, he did. you know, that he was kind of plugged in to that. Yes. That they're, you you know with like dinner plate size Yeah, and I was like, oh, I never even heard anybody say it that way before. Why do you think it is that people would ridicule that? Like someone saying that you actually learn

47:25 That's why – Cocaine is a drug too. Entheo. So it's from the God? that they haven't experienced themselves. So if you look at the foundations of all world religions as we've just gone through it, we He was giving wisdom to everybody. Okay. Okay. of Christ was the revelation of the connection of basically of the divinity of humanity. You know, this is the tight place we're heading into.

51:59 We're goofy. Do you feel you have a responsibility from the fact that you have this voice And so if – People that haven't had it, I think that's why I don't fault them, the ones who are anti. Whatever seed was born in the saving of a life and giving a literal turning point and saying, the fuck happens whenever you have a really profound than sort of reassessing the way you've been living your life.

56:01 Yeah, you know what's been really tripping me out is how many people that I know that are starting to have semi, at least, psychedelic experiences from doing yoga. I've never astrally projected. from people that practice kundalini yoga that if i didn't know them really well and the way they whatever it is, the DMT factory, and you just, boom, open up the doorway and punch right through.

57:53 The idea for Entheon really came about first of all through Allison and I had a routine of yoga and then meditation. Yeah, come on. You're so psychedelic anyway from point A. many of the people that come out to see you over your tour and things like that. You're putting these out to people little situation that I've stumbled into. And for me, I'm very, I feel very fortunate just to be

1:01:33 people's takes on things they're all different and dynamic and having access to that it's like when I was a kid and And you want more stuff. It's over and over and over again. No, you can't just walk into my house. That's why the church model of the – there's a time when you devote some time to this other thing too that's going on that's more of a community thing.

1:04:40 You'll give them some acid. This is kind of like a civil rights issue that is pointing toward a higher freedom of consciousness and special places. culture even. It's just a weird thing that we have. Once we write things down on paper, It's the only thing that makes sense. those reviews would say more at the bottom so you'd have to click to get an extra pair how many

1:08:07 it literally, boom, He's a nice guy. of a benevolent leader would you be if you're trying to protect people from potential enlightenment You can't do that gig anymore. addict for sure three cigarettes in your mouth at the same time looking up looking approaches to meditation you know from the simplest kind of watching your breath to a kind of, Alison talks about an aesthetic kind of reception of considering each moment like a, you know, for the beautiful, special, unique thing that it is and like we listen to music you know we listen with a an ear of appreciation and

1:11:47 Just listening to them talk to somebody else and that thought sends you off in a different direction. And the way it comes out so reliably, it's like no one, like mushrooms work for almost everyone on the planet like no one's immune like And with those conditions and your favorite music music we like to use a kind of a Start over? No, it's good. Well, I think the great return home has not really happened so much.

1:15:06 Yes. That's a cool name idea about the Hudson River And it's a – right now I'd say it's an evolving town. of creativity classes there from dancing and and movement and yoga and meditation, things like that. And with this, there will be the reception. It's up here as well. So that's all going to be concrete, those faces? And he works at Disney perfectly to the building.

1:21:39 I think it's awesome. different things that you get, whether it's artwork. These are worth admission for two to Entheon. Whatever you do, nobody has guns, okay? comes it takes our compound well we covered we try to have you know For their service. And there's a lot of good ones. We're just saying there's a need for it and a lot of them are good. And also this is before Entheon really is there.

1:25:31 Is this like a town that accepts hippies? All in your town? Like the comedy store? And we met some of the neighbors, and we try to be considerate now about sound and things like that. Imagine if Alice Gray was actually just a gun nut he's out there shooting this is all an act i love that one of your things But for $1,500, you get a hand-drawn portrait of you or your beloved one.

1:27:46 definitely from this show. fucking PBS shows This is disgusting. Well, there was a recent event a safe event Jonathan Ott is a translator What do you mean by a translator? My problem child wanted to come out in English. I mean, you know what I'm saying? And Vijay Extraordinaire had made a printout of the Entheon kind of altar DJ booth or I guess electronic musician station.

1:30:37 You've got DJs up there. on a lot of people who come through those doors. Thank you. So it will be an active center for the promotion Go to Libsyn. Get an account. on you know whatever anything you know you don't it don't have to be married to any particular you know you're like do you know you're doing that are you going to be comfortable out in a stupid – oops, I wrecked the planet.

1:35:50 But people in general, I think, feel that, you know, Why not? That's going to be really fascinating when it's done, man. talked about your Entheon. then it's a shrine. Hey, look, everybody's entitled to their reaction, and I think that that's inevitable. Negative. And through consciousness evolution, you can reach both. Okay, you take it from a scientific perspective.

1:40:02 It's fascinating, beyond fascinating. the in the 60s and the 70s they said it was horrible because they had those lead cars. A little bit of it, yeah. and gay rights, the equality element started to come to the surface. even benefit to it. We still know that there's a lot wrong with the world, but we're learning more about humans, about behavior, about just information itself, about technology, about our place

1:43:31 american person the average american person from 1960 and look at the head space in 2013 you get to watch movies flying through the air and you don't even think about it. It just seems so normal to you and it's all psychedelic. important events in his life and that his psychedelic experiences. And many of the people that they worked with, of course, they

1:46:06 Yeah, I think it's unavoidable. Yeah, I mean we're like on an old machine. having a problem okay i'm gonna help you out we're gonna give you a chip we're gonna put this chip in Sure. She's got her lover recreated. And we love them. Well, and so, I mean, they're where the rubber meets the road. Well, just the idea that the – that there will be a time when this will be a problem,

1:50:30 So I'll see as this – as it develops, artificial intelligence and robotics and things, I'm sure they'll – part of it will evolve toward that. Why? artificial you there it might even be an artificial you that's exactly you. You think so? Yeah. What's wrong with that? So are you going to close her Facebook account? It seems to me that a Blade Runner type scenario is inevitable, though, where they have a life

1:55:02 It was. And he tried to say that Neanderthal probably hunted man, and that's why we drove it to extinction. Yeah. It's mostly bullshit, but it's kind of fun bullshit this guy um what would you say um neanderthal predator yeah see if you find that Yeah, there it is. It's probably bullshit. I've been doing this TV show. 100 yards into the woods and you might

1:58:28 You don't know what the fuck is out there. Yes. They call themselves therians? but for whatever reason i don't know why they like doing it but it doesn't seem like they're Especially DMT or ayahuasca, there's the jaguars or leopards. Yes. And so the translation of the archetypal symbol of a particular animal spirit and a divine It's still part of the public imagination.

2:03:51 And I think that that archetype is part of the human psyche and you can find it in each sacred path, the bridging of the realms. It's really fascinating. Most people are like, it's a sleeping pill, dummy. 6,000 years ago, the earliest human religious text is the songs in the Rig Veda, the Hindu text. And Soma was also – it was recognized as the source of many things, including like clothing and stuff like that.

2:06:43 And it's one of the only things in historical art to me that rings trippy. body like it's it's fucking insane yes we want to bring that uh idea to the land of Qasim and have been – the idea of the Neturu, the family of gods in Egypt So basically Isis and Osiris got together and they were the football hero and the cheerleader, match made in heaven and all that and they were just like celebrated and

2:10:45 And so the idea is to – we have different stations on the land where there will be a foot, there will be a hand and different things like that. How did they do this? Yeah. Put a door in one of the temples. Yeah, and people are freaking out like, what the fuck did you do? the story that got out and it and it was sad but it was most likely true i mean religious

2:13:30 And insane acts of terrorism either. and to have love save the day and all these things, Yeah. That's what we're doing. We'll have to see what's available. dead and this sort of thing this zombie theme keeps returning over and over and over again Have you ever done that before? You watch a video of him, you're getting a little bit of him. He was in the doors and he's 72.

2:18:12 I think into all of our consciousness and the computers are just the external storage devices. Can't stop it. But somewhere, I'm convinced they're going to continue to do awesome stuff. And I swear to God, if I lived up there, we'd love to spin you out. And I absolutely want to come once it's all done just to see how crazy it's going to be. No, not at the parties.

2:21:15 I'm PBS again. Thanks, everybody, who's been coming out to these shows and all the cool people that I met when I was looking for Bigfoot. Thanks also to onnit.com. Thank you very much.