Joe Rogan Experience #360 — Graham Hancock Transcript

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0:00 the Joe Rogan experience Wow. And initially, again, I need to emphasize Fingerprints of the Gods, which was the biggest book I've ever done, a five million copy bestseller And I would – I'm a hard worker. And I just felt really good. expensive, but that shows how dedicated I was. You had to make sure that you covered your bases. to police our states of consciousness,

4:58 I mean, it depends how much you buy into the research on this, but a lot of good science has been done. a result of the interference of humanity. And I would sometimes have five or six ounces of the herb in my house because I was blazing through this stuff at a tremendous rate. And you were high. so that didn't help. in the Amazon for thousands and thousands of years.

7:43 but you do meet intelligent my cannabis relationship. In fact, my wife said that really it was like I had a mistress, you know, I started to develop all kinds of suspicions about her, which were completely groundless. And we went down to Brazil in October 2011. That's just my personal belief system. And everything you've done, every second, every minute of your

11:21 Otherwise I was going to pay a huge price for it. And I had a series of The next day after you've drunk the brew, you share with the rest of the group who you've drunk with the experiences you had the night before as much as you want to share. Well, I miss it. horror and loathing and it I put it away. 24 years, nonstop relationship with cannabis, definitely abusing the herb.

14:14 Well, that's very honest and forthcoming of you to talk about it, Do you take care of your body? How do you not do yoga? Because it's a way to get high days okay okay and it gives you um it's a reset it gives you a reset it gives you like to me like and they're reacting fuck you Does it mean anything? Yes. Yeah, six weeks ago. and just sort of build up. Now, you would have to

17:04 That's incredible. An epidural. heard the hammering. And I felt like a piece of furniture on a carpenter's bench. It was But I did the physio, and I just carried on working at it, Like really wasn't into people or whatever it was. That's what he said. like that's it that's the limit like after you know he would like want a checkup to see how it was months later.

19:37 He wasn't yelling at you or anything, but it was just – it. But the hip replacement is a gigantic one. That's very important. And it is major surgery. And then the socket, in my case, there were cysts in the socket, which were hollow spaces that had come in there because the ball joint was out of kilter So the actual bearings, Ceramic on ceramic bearings.

22:11 I mean, if this had happened 50 years ago, but it was like old school. That's what happened to me. And, you know, I asked him, when you hammer that titanium shaft down inside the bone, is there any danger that you could split the bone? That's so crazy. It's good stuff. So I'm pleasantly surprised by the way that this has turned out. But in the end, I decided not to.

23:58 It's kind of... It's right next to your junk. Plus, Jesus. And I felt I wanted that out as soon as possible. So how many days was it before you could walk? So I walked on a Zimmer frame. Wow. I like the line from Ages of the Lost Ark, you know, chuck norris has had hip replacements it's very common yeah yeah and i have a buddy my friend He was a football player that was injured really badly, and he had to get a hip replacement,

27:24 That's insane. And what that comes down to is where your quality of life has deteriorated because of people that are in pain. People have back protecting me from the onset of severe osteoarthritis Oh, it's just a natural? oh no, I thought I was going to see amazing things your personal view. And these massive leaps that happen through psychedelics,

30:23 And to go one way or the other, I think, is absurd. which is that it's sought to intervene in that relationship head at a particular time if you're in a if you're in a space that that is is yourself from. I would say it's a core factor of all psychedelics. And I've always felt like it's really ironic First of all, the drug crimes be out the door, We put all of them outside legal reach which is insane. It's insane. It makes you wonder what's going on

33:35 I don't think ideology, morality shifts with understanding, with the exchange of information. Unfortunately, they're the ones that are running the world. running shit, most of them are not good. You should be absolutely not wantingqualification. You should be absolutely You have random qualifications as far Let me Google that because I want to make sure that I'm correct.

35:52 Yeah. Well, politicians are always cutting themselves all the slack there is. It's a bunch of corrupt bastards. You can come to me all day and you say, hey, Joe, So you can just profit off of the stock market? They've got to go through it, and we'll see how they feel afterwards. It's not like we, well, imagine if some benevolent race from another planet came down here and gifted us with some space fruit.

38:26 That's true. I've been asked to stay away from those subjects. Exactly. Yeah. the whole world within our lifetime in an astounding, loving way where people would one of which is a vine, It's happening in America. And again, a number of times I stand up and I'm giving a presentation somewhere and I'm talking about ayahuasca. and it is being grown. You're not going to get hurt.

41:56 Yeah, I think you're right. Well, if you look at how it is in Holland where marijuana is And you have to understand that some people will make mistakes and there will be problems. It's a complicated area. Some of these substances are very harmful. Personally, I don't want to smoke meth. But if you were next door to a meth guy, And as we know, making these toxic substances illegal doesn't prevent their use.

43:52 has a great result. makes them pull their skin off of their face. he was just so wired. Wow. that it's all sweetness and light in the garden. One type are the curanderos, they're the healers. is also an important part of this. The Aztecs used psilocybin as a vehicle to communicate with their deities, you know, there's demons out there as well as angels.

47:36 Now this is a bloody awful thing that was going on there and psychedelics were involved. or if those entities also include evil angels as well as good guys, He formed a kind of death cult, but their sacrament was ayahuasca. You have to be clear on your intent. And unfortunately, that demonic aspect of Aztec culture So they would have neighboring tribes who they would prey on.

50:51 This is why Montezuma was brought down. I shouldn't Yeah. is not only is it beneficial, but it's necessary. I mean we have armies now in the world today which are going out doing murderous stuff. Was it Amanita muscaria they took? If you want to have luck with it, you've got to pass it through... Yes. It doesn't lose its purpose. It was like just getting shot through a cyclone.

53:53 Does it really make you feel better when you're sick? It doesn't taste nearly as bad as you would think it tastes. The idea is a lot worse than Leota Machida, who's a famous UFC And even then, yeah. Was because the horse had been extinct in the Americas for 12,000 years. you'll find that they initially thought that they were dealing with supernatural beings,

56:11 who just fled in terror at the sight of these entities charging down on them. and he saw the future, and he saw what Spain would eventually do to Mexico. And so initially, But eventually, you know, Cortes was a terrorist. Can you imagine living back then? What does that mean, scuttled? There is no going back. These days I do novels as well as nonfiction.

59:15 I have a witch in the story, a young Aztec That's kind of cool that you can do that with history. And she would be... So in the paintings from those days, you always see her standing beside It's so fascinating. This is it. but also images of people with very strongly Caucasian features, taken from the Gulf of Mexico up to what is now Mexico City. And I began to realize there was a

1:02:06 But they revered earlier cultures, and particularly the amazing pyramid site of Teotihuacan, 30 and I accept it could be projection of the individual's mind because he's just a particularly and the entity that appeared to Cortes as St. Peter genocide. And the Spanish were monsters. They would use people to test the edge of their weapons. there was the capacity for love.

1:04:47 He said it was inescapable. Permeates the atmosphere. Yeah, I got high in Mexico. Yeah, yeah. And the Olmec, the so-called Olmecs of Central America you'll find that it's built on top of another pyramid, and later cultures came along and honored it Like you have to dig out the sand to pull these things up and oh, lo and behold, they It is. Is he going to jail?

1:07:55 the closest to Mubarak in the Egyptian regime. So when Mubarak fell and a whole new system He devoted his life to exploring the mystery of Egypt But I'm a big fan of that guy's work. Incredible. both on its body and on the trench dug around it, To get that weathering. which are 12,000 years old. And it was deliberately buried by the people who made it.

1:10:37 And when a site is pristine and it's approached by a mainstream archaeologist such as Klaus Schmidt from the German Archaeological Institute who's the excavator, he has to honestly put his hand on his heart and say this site And John Anthony West is not an academic. I mean his words should be checked. I think he's a pretty astounding person when it comes to his knowledge of Egypt.

1:12:16 10,000 years ago, like a time capsule, they bury it. doing that then. That's 100%. ago was already capable of doing that. In other words It had to be the result of a culture which had figured out how to work with large and heavy blocks of stone which is the easy way to draw something, So we have to say there's a background to this Like, Gobekli Tepe was found by a farmer, right?

1:14:31 But none of this existed while you guys were dealing with Zali Huas. Why is that funny to you? Some bad motherfuckers in academia. And they've told this story and given degrees based on what they've taught for decades. Decades after decades amount of data that Egyptology has provided. But sometimes I put a different but when I saw Robert Schock deal with that argument,

1:17:16 Smooth and groovy. Why are you dealing with in this enclosure where this thing was buried for so long? is kind of silly. And I think we're, in the realm of ancient history, That's a needed project which needs to be done. is that if that's the birthplace And that's why everything's so... around about 300 or 400 years after Christ, that was the beginning of the Coptic church

1:20:32 Are they involved in genital manipulation? and in an area which is involved with Islamic fundamentalism, Where we look for direct experience of the spirit and the divine. played a part with it. And it's happening in America. You know, I come here as a foreigner, We don't have the structure where individual states can make decisions on key issues like that.

1:23:39 that there is this possibility for awakening here. We need to run our own lives and make decisions for ourselves. It's only going to be done by the American people. and consumption and nothing else, We can have a little relaxation. And I think the possibilities, It's terrible. Like, there's like 10 people sitting around, and they all bid on the contents.

1:26:25 fake contents to these storage Or take responsibility and it's like an automatic program that but what people really need is guys like you to talk about things, But once you start thinking about it and you realize that this mysterious – we don't even know what consciousness is, you know. even to arch Republicans, you know, they get it. endorsing the drinking of ayahuasca.

1:29:01 And I think that Yeah. was the thing that he accused you of and what was the response? So they didn't even bother to sit down and listen to the actual 18-minute talks, not that much to listen to, before deleting it from their YouTube channel. with an ancient mother culture where do i say that i It was a talk about consciousness. And I accepted that well to those people i'd say fucking relax okay because i love cannabis

1:32:24 pharmacological drug which is altering consciousness. When you over-prescribe Prozac or Seroxat for conditions of depression, those drugs are altering consciousness. We value And that appears to be the line that I crossed. published our rebuttals. Deleted, completely deleted? No, we insisted that they accepted Not only that, but you can't put your talk online yourself.

1:34:22 So, I mean, my talk had 132,000 views on YouTube, on their channel, when they pulled it. This is the great thing about the internet. I've never had my dick photographed. In the naughty corner, yeah. Fingerprints of the Gods. It was a fascinating so twatty about you and it's a science thing and it could be mistakes that you've made in the past We don't know what they are.

1:36:30 That's one thing that they keep harping on. I don't think that I was misinformed. I think that I was exploring an interesting area of There are certain patterns that repeat in languages that appear also in junk DNA. stored on all our DNA all around the world and maybe in altered states of Crick suggests a phenomenon called directed panspermia, and they looked desperately for some way to preserve life,

1:39:45 only thing... You got to really say that. The only thing I added to it was if his theory were right, that started life on Earth and that eventually evolved into us. Supposedly, allegedly. that are forbidden territory for scientists. It does annoy scientists. And it's the same with John Anthony West. John is a very reasonable man. He's coming up with

1:42:22 On the one hand, it's what's good about science, Here's this extraordinary idea that somebody put over. It's the same attitude essentially. It's unusual. Sometimes. I would love to talk to you about this. That's why science is so important. Science is how we're doing this podcast. For example, psychedelics are a marvelous tool parallel universes, if you like,

1:46:13 nonsense, there's no possibility of any kind of survival of death. If they've seen those images and it can be documented scientifically, then we have to think again about consciousness. quite compelling data but there's an elusive nature to the phenomenon, which is that very often when somebody has a near-death experience, they've had it in the one theater that didn't have the images on view.

1:47:52 I don't think, see I think this is part of the issue, you know, when we say why doesn't sense of competition We all want to be right. Right. we'd have less of an issue in the first place. And when – forward as far as far as I'm concerned because I did find that writing Thank you. I feel that's what I'm supposed to do. I was, you know, we've, the cities have been here since I was a baby.

1:51:41 We wake up. But I find this is a new thing for me. That makes me feel I've done something right anyway. What's this ayahuasca stuff? And even though they're doing amazing work and it's There's a lot of… You actually have to write it just kidding. Very good thought. So it was more the same type of thing. that possible? And so he is questioning the materialist reference frame of mainstream

1:56:19 Exhibit them. And he's done experiments which document this and prove it at a level of statistical significance. Oh, it's your neighbor. Yeah, it's beautiful. You know, like, we couldn't have this conversation Can I say a couple of things which I would like people to hear? and they don't want me to explore the fictional side of things. So it's only the resistance is just that it's nonfiction?

1:59:47 And that is GrahamHancock.com? Well, there's another guy with my name. Oh, well, how about, do you have a middle name? I know, great. It's okay. So there's an underscore, Graham underscore? He's all so happy now that he quit weed. Yeah. Yeah, we went deep into it. Oh, that's so stupid. But there's links Is Audible.com? Yeah, do you have an audio version of it?

2:02:32 No, I didn't. But in this case, equally amazing. Stephen King on writing? I mean the guy's the greatest author ever as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, I agree His descriptions, his book on writing, for anybody who aspires like where it's just fantasy. I think that's the writer's first task. They were involved in magic and witchcraft in a huge way. And here's the thing, Yuzi.

2:05:42 And can you imagine living in that situation? Yeah, Tenochtitlan, by the way. That is what – but they didn't know who made Teotihuacan. And that stood in the heart of what is now Mexico City. That's not our culture. That's the place where John McAfee was living. You know that We don't think in terms of the sacred. is our ability to do things in large numbers

2:08:43 which is that they set it up with actors. Yeah, yeah. You might be the extraordinary exception. Eh, I don't think so. I would try at least. You might be the extraordinary exception. I hope you're right. groups of people led by serial killers yeah and that's yeah a big part of a big part of reality Pakistan and 120 people get slaughtered. Children are getting maimed.

2:11:34 You can't just say we're going to kill. Completely – I mean no one's even there. No act of courage is involved. that we have evolved technologically so much Yeah, we've got this barbaric mindset that's still in place to run shit. But the one thing that all of us can do as individuals is we can make the right choice rather than the wrong choice. Yes, that's the message of ayahuasca.

2:14:55 who had the capacity to love So do you think that they're just psychopaths that got a hold of some ayahuasca and that I think that the reality is much more complicated And furthermore, I would say, I believe ultimately in the unity of all things. and freed each other's minds. possible to imagine virtual reality we've been playing this game all along.

2:18:31 these demons being that in that you must reinforce good and you must punish bad and the only your common enemies that you have in real life, whether entities, either demonic or when you have an abduction experience, what you think is an abduction experience, you Which ones do we find? wounded man sometimes. He's or do you think that there's a chemical doorway that's opened through psychedelics

2:21:29 experience, these true experiences, if they're just a hallucination, a byproduct of the mind, It opens up a lot of possibilities And then some people started having experiences and yeah, that's a kind of You know, who knows, but they were bitch, that doesn't look very buffalo. I'd like some Frank Frazetta. And, of course, I'm convinced they were using psychedelics.

2:24:35 People never lived in those caves. That's not what happened. They never lived in those spaces. They lived outside. They Was there ever a time which is from the last common ancestor with the chimpanzee that we get this amazing explosion of symbolic art, thought to be frivolous and silly, but that's only by people who haven't done it. It's one of Yeah, it's a good point.

2:27:58 And new ideas are introduced into the minds of the young people, Boom. Oh, late October. Hook it up, bitch. forehead up there. She's just shitty at drawing. It's a man with a human body. It's a fucking shitty spider. I think it's fascinating because it's so old. shows me a really rudimentary It is. The image of the and in canyons in Utah, for example.

2:31:21 I think somebody gave a three-year-old a colored rock I will be very impressed. And I think we as a culture or certain members of our culture are jumping to the conclusion I can't prove it, but they're coming to us that you say repeats itself over and over again. This is the internet. I honestly couldn't tell you. Maybe. what do you think that is? But I think just as possible is that there are other levels of reality in which entities are able to look like that,

2:34:43 You know, now why is it that somebody and I think that it's being witnessed So like Rick Strassman's work with DMT, which I know that you're familiar with because you And right and proper that you should wonder about it. You should, sir. So War God, people can get it. Get yourself 10% off. I know a lot of folks have questions about the whole Bulletproof Exec.